Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
B6 Getting Power In The Seats  
User currently offlineav8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

Heard B6 is taking delivery of new A320's with USB power and 3 prong power in all EML seats. That will be awesome when internet arrives.

[Edited 2012-05-27 13:07:28]

11 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

Will it only be in Even More Space seats, or will power ports be available in all seats? If the former, I can certainly foresee some disgruntled laptop-armed customers. Yikes!


Fierce, Fabulous, and Flawless ;)
User currently offlineav8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2836 times:

Only EML seats Will have power.

User currently offlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 567 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

Quoting av8tor (Reply 2):
Only EML seats Will have power.

EML is old terminology, they are now called "Even More Space" Seats

Yes, only the EMS seats will have power, we received our first A/C outfitted with them and they look slick. They are now going through the motions of getting the A/C certified to run power to them, so even though they are available, the juice is still off for a while.

The rest of our deliveries will come with power for the EMS Seats going forward.

Two Standard Power Outlets and One USB power port at each seat.


User currently offlinebos2laf From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

I think it's a stupid move on their part not to outfit the entire aircraft with the outlets. They've shied away from a first-class cabin because it "isn't part of their culture" and I get that. But what they're doing with the Even More Space seats is effectively a separate class of service. How is this compatible with their culture??

B6's product is getting to be really fragmented.

-You have the original A320 interior (fin numbers below 700)
-You have the next-generation A320 interior (fins 700 and above)
-You have the A320s floating around with the new LiveTV/XM radio controls
-You have the new-delivery A320s and E190s with the new TV screens (same size as AC) and they have stated they will only come on new deliveries, and not retrofitted on current aircraft.
-And then you will soon have a subfleet of aircraft with wi-fi installed as they roll that out.

For Christ sake, are they ever going to settle on a standardized inflight product??

[Edited 2012-05-29 20:45:59]

[Edited 2012-05-29 20:46:24]

User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 4):
But what they're doing with the Even More Space seats is effectively a separate class of service.

This is true, and I would argue that it is a separate class of service, whether they acknowledge it or not. Think of it as more of a "premium economy" cabin instead of first class. It appears that B6 is evolving their views on a single class of service (shying away from it) and I imagine that the addition of power outlets will be well-receved by the customers who use those seats. But yes, it would be nice to have power outlets throughout the aircraft, but they just want to coax as much $ out of people as they can: if you want a pwoer outlet on B6, you upgrade. As for the WiFi issue, B6 isn't the only airline that only has WiFi on part of their fleet. Give them time: I predict they will eventually roll it out to all of their aircraft.


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

They really should outfit the whole aircraft with this power option - just like they have TV for the whole aircraft. They are going to get a lot of flak if they don't !!!  

User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 1668 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 4):

I think it's a stupid move on their part not to outfit the entire aircraft with the outlets. They've shied away from a first-class cabin because it "isn't part of their culture" and I get that.
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 5):
This is true, and I would argue that it is a separate class of service, whether they acknowledge it or not. Think of it as more of a "premium economy" cabin instead of first class. It appears that B6 is evolving their views on a single class of service (shying away from it) and I imagine that the addition of power outlets will be well-receved by the customers who use those seats.

BA have power points in their World Traveller + cabin (Premium Y)
In my opinion EMS is essentially Y+ for B6.
I can see how they didn't want to have a 'first class' cabin as this carries an elitist social memory. By having it as EMS you make it affordable for any traveller if they wish to upgrade.

And how long are the B6 flights that power is essential for the pax? Installing power points now does lead into full cabin installation at a later date, which may cost more.


User currently offlineAv8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 6):
They really should outfit the whole aircraft with this power option - just like they have TV for the whole aircraft. They are going to get a lot of flak if they don't !!!

Many airlines only have power available to their premium seats, should those airlines also install power throughout the cabin? It's a smart move in my opinion and will entice people to pay for the EMS seats.


User currently offlineaustexflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 4):

B6's product is getting to be really fragmented.

-You have the original A320 interior (fin numbers below 700)
-You have the next-generation A320 interior (fins 700 and above)
-You have the A320s floating around with the new LiveTV/XM radio controls
-You have the new-delivery A320s and E190s with the new TV screens (same size as AC) and they have stated they will only come on new deliveries, and not retrofitted on current aircraft.
-And then you will soon have a subfleet of aircraft with wi-fi installed as they roll that out.

Is there a way to tell in advance which tail number will be operating a flight? I'm flying flight 1417 AUS-LGB on Saturday, and am curious which version 320 it will be.


User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 1462 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 7):
And how long are the B6 flights that power is essential for the pax? Installing power points now does lead into full cabin installation at a later date, which may cost more.

Quite a few (read: all of B6's transcon flights) are well over 5 hours, with some being longer than 6 (BOS-SFO comes to mind). In my experience, however, I've met a few customers on business-oriented flights with a far shorter block time that became frustrated when they were informed that there was no power port available (think Washington area-Boston). The length of the flight has little to do with how important the power ports are - especially if the customer's computer is nearly out of juice!   



Fierce, Fabulous, and Flawless ;)
User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 4):
-You have the original A320 interior (fin numbers below 700)
-You have the next-generation A320 interior (fins 700 and above)

In fairness to that statement, however, B6 has little say in the matter when an interior becomes standard rather than an option. Even before tail 703 was rolled out, there were slight changes to the cabins in tails 618 (I believe) through 665, one of them being the curved OHB handles. Heck, even the older 320s had slight changes, such as LED emergency lighting, from as far back as tail 529 or 531 (whenever that was delivered). Unfortunately, some of these changes are not able to be retrofitted across older fleet types. Therefore, you've gotta roll with the punches and keep it as consistent as possible, given the things you cannot change.

Now, having said that, perhaps the cabin interiors can be changed, but it may prove to be cost-prohibive given the size of the fleet that would need to be upgraded.

[Edited 2012-05-30 06:37:57]


Fierce, Fabulous, and Flawless ;)
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Pax Getting Fatter But Seats Stay The Same Size! posted Tue Mar 27 2007 03:35:44 by 777fan
NK, WN, G4, B6 Airlines Of The Future? posted Sat Jan 21 2012 15:15:44 by dtwpilot225
What Will The Seats Be Like On US's 332? posted Sat Apr 11 2009 19:38:34 by USAirALB
LH CFO Elected To B6 Board, Decisions 4 The Future posted Mon Aug 18 2008 07:08:52 by Ota1
B6: What Is The Future For TPA/MCO? posted Wed Jul 18 2007 04:23:46 by JerseyGuy
Liquid Getting Past The Gate posted Tue Sep 19 2006 18:02:11 by Cpos
B6 Loads On The MCO-SJU/BQN Routes? posted Thu May 4 2006 19:59:21 by Charlipr
Getting Exit Row Seats On US? posted Thu Mar 30 2006 05:12:17 by Rolo987
Skyservice Getting Back The A330? posted Wed Jan 11 2006 05:23:35 by BWIA330
Getting To The Seychelles posted Sun Dec 11 2005 05:23:32 by Hmmmm...