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American's 777-300 Seat Map Now Available  
User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 606 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26152 times:

The seat map for American's new Boeing 777-300ER has been loaded into the system. It doesn't look like it's available on the "Our Planes" page yet, but it can be easily accessed by making a mock booking. I found it by searching DFW-GRU flights in early January.


- First Class: 1-2-1 configuration, rows 1-2 (aft of doors 1L/1R). 2 lavs.


- Business Class: 1-2-1 configuration, rows 3-4 mini cabin (forward of doors 2L/2R), rows 5-15 (aft of doors 2L/2R). 3 lavs.


- Main Cabin Extra: 3-3-3 configuration, rows 16-19 (row 16 is exit row, row 19 only has DEH (middle section) seats).


- Economy: 3-4-3 configuration, rows 20-44 (row 31 is exit row; rows 30-32 have only two seats on AC / JL side with galley in-between; rows 41-43 have only two seats on AC / JL side; row 44 has only DEGH seats). 4 lavs.

All in all, doesn't seem like many surprises. Economy is confirmed as 3-4-3, but that was widely speculated a long time ago.

There are some seat map visuals available at http://bitly.com/JHfbtk if you want to actually see the diagram.

[Edited 2012-05-27 19:42:31]


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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3363 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26129 times:

Wow, those exit rows in Y sure are weird.

Overall, looks like a nice set up, save for the 3-4-3, but it's hardly a surprise. Can't wait to try the J.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20368 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 26110 times:

Interesting. "Main Cabin Extra" is 3-3-3. So you CAN have 3-3-3 seating... if you are willing to cough up.

User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25899 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):

What a joke - how does AA even expect the average American to fit in one of those micro Y seats? Pathetic!


User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25809 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 3):
What a joke - how does AA even expect the average American to fit in one of those micro Y seats? Pathetic!

     



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User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25653 times:

I'm surprise about how small the Main Cabin Extra cabin is. I understand that that they are wider and are taking up space to squeeze additional Y seats, but I would have expected more than 30...the J cabin has almost twice as many seats.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25518 times:

Quoting poLot (Reply 5):
I'm surprise about how small the Main Cabin Extra cabin is. I understand that that they are wider and are taking up space to squeeze additional Y seats, but I would have expected more than 30...the J cabin has almost twice as many seats.

Seems like they are taking the DL vs UA route as far Y+. Not willing to compromise overall seat count in the back. DL's Economy Comfort seating is also nominal compared to UA.



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User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25450 times:

Can anyone tell me if MCE will have more recline? Or will it just have more leg space?

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25401 times:

I never was very clear on the Y+ layout—will the 3-3-3 configuration simply be the like the current 777 Coach seats with simply extra legroom, or a different design altogether? I'm guessing the former.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15845 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 25208 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 3):
What a joke - how does AA even expect the average American to fit in one of those micro Y seats? Pathetic!

A lot easier than the average American paid more for More Room Throughout Coach.



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User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 25004 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):

Interesting. "Main Cabin Extra" is 3-3-3. So you CAN have 3-3-3 seating... if you are willing to cough up.

Or you can simply select a BA codeshare flight and avoid coughing up. In fact, you'll get more with BA than you could ever get with AA regardless of how much you cough up!

Speedbird741



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 24940 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):

The 77W is getting new seats in Y -- MCE will probably have the same seats with wider armrests and aisles.


User currently offlinePDX88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 24949 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 3):
What a joke - how does AA even expect the average American to fit in one of those micro Y seats? Pathetic!

Looking on seatguru, an example of AF 777-300 shows 3-4-3 economy seating with a pitch-width of 32"-17.0". WN's seats, also 32"-17.0". I think people are creating a big fuss for nothing. As far as what I see, there will be nothing wrong with these seats.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24858 times:

Quoting PDX88 (Reply 12):
Looking on seatguru, an example of AF 777-300 shows 3-4-3 economy seating with a pitch-width of 32"-17.0". WN's seats, also 32"-17.0". I think people are creating a big fuss for nothing. As far as what I see, there will be nothing wrong with these seats.

Only spoken by someone who hasn't endured 3-4-3 on a 777 ... It's way worse than 3-3 on any 737

Im not big framed, but that AF 77W JFKCDG was the worst 7 hours I had in any economy class... Backlash is guaranteed


User currently offlineavion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24717 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 13):
Quoting PDX88 (Reply 12):
Looking on seatguru, an example of AF 777-300 shows 3-4-3 economy seating with a pitch-width of 32"-17.0". WN's seats, also 32"-17.0". I think people are creating a big fuss for nothing. As far as what I see, there will be nothing wrong with these seats.

Only spoken by someone who hasn't endured 3-4-3 on a 777 ... It's way worse than 3-3 on any 737

Im not big framed, but that AF 77W JFKCDG was the worst 7 hours I had in any economy class... Backlash is guaranteed

True: I've done it on TAM and it's a real squeeze. With a bit of planning the two seats where the cabin narrows at the rear are more bearable though.

Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 10):
Or you can simply select a BA codeshare flight and avoid coughing up. In fact, you'll get more with BA than you could ever get with AA regardless of how much you cough up!

They appear to have thought of that. I've recently booked on AA, and in the process tried every combination to get an BA metal with either an AA or IB codeshare (and lower price!). All BA combinations (bar one via an odd route) were strikingly more expensive; they stood out like sore thums as >$150 more; whilst flight timings and durations were not different it seems it was just the actual airline choice that dictated the rise


User currently offlinechopchop767 From Italy, joined Aug 2010, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 24033 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):

I never was very clear on the Y+ layout—will the 3-3-3 configuration simply be the like the current 777 Coach seats with simply extra legroom, or a different design altogether? I'm guessing the former.

From the website, it seems like the seat and the service will be the same as the rest of the main cabin.

http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/mainCabi...ion=DirectURL&title=maincabinextra

I'm really excited to try AA's new 777! The pictures from the website look really impressive. However, since AA has already taken the plunge and changed the layout with the rest of main cabin from 3-4-3 to 3-3-3, I wish they would align their product with AA and JL. An improved meal service would really differentiate their Main Cabin Extra with UA's and DL's Economy Plus. I would think the investment in the soft product wouldn't be that much.



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23794 times:

I've crossed the pond on a 3-4-3 AF 777 and it wasn't pleasant. With the size of the average American, I foresee problems...


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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23448 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 16):
I've crossed the pond on a 3-4-3 AF 777 and it wasn't pleasant. With the size of the average American, I foresee problems...

Yep 11-% agree. I did it on a TG777 many a year ago just from DEL to BKK and vowed.....never again, it was beyond uncomfortable.

IF UA and DL have any sense they will jump on this to promote the room they have through out their Y cabins, not just Y+


User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 772 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 22708 times:
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Quoting ual777uk (Reply 17):
Yep 11-% agree. I did it on a TG777 many a year ago just from DEL to BKK and vowed.....never again, it was beyond uncomfortable.


What TG 777 was that? I am not aware of any TG 777 that has a 3-4-3 configuration in economy.

However TG has some 777s with 2-3-2 in business class, and those I do avoid.



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User currently offlineSingaporeBoy From Singapore, joined May 2005, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 22632 times:

Yeah i remember many years ago I flew a TG 777 in J and they had a 2-4-2 config.Those must have been when they got their first few 777s before reconfiguring them.

User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2136 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 21466 times:

It seems AA will still have F seats that rotate 90 degrees to access the work table, is that right? Kudos for keeping that. It's something I enjoyed on the two occasions I flew AA F on the 777 (PVG-ORD and LAX-NRT). Do any other airlines have something similar? (e.g having a separate table to work on, different than the one used for the meal)

Cheers
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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 21053 times:

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 18):
What TG 777 was that? I am not aware of any TG 777 that has a 3-4-3 configuration in economy.

When TG first got them, we are talking way back now, end of the 90's maybe, I cannot recal the actual year but UA was flying the 763 on the round the world route at the time but I could not make that flight so had to go to HKG via BKK. Horrible flights, although I love the TG744


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8517 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20965 times:
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Finally AA reveals the seat map. What took so long for a US airline to get a 77W ? Way too long.

User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20814 times:

Funny, just went through a pile of unread emails and one of them contained the presentation of AA's new 77W interior. Was disappointed to see the 3-4-3 economy set up, came to airliners.net and the first thing I see is this thread. Nice.

I would avoid 3-4-3 77W operators out of principle. I just don't want this to become the future of air travel and I don't think I have to. Alternatives are rarely more expensive, and if they are it's usually not by much. It's a little money for what is a crucial difference of personal space, especially when you're travelling solo and don't know who you'll end up sitting next to.

I would have loved to give them a chance on LHR-DFW-ZZZ, but that is now just not going to happen. FRA-IAH-ZZZ on LH A388 it is then.. what a burden.



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User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20358 times:

I think this may end up a-la Spirit Airlines. Lots of moaning and complaining about seats and legroom, but in the end people keep coming back, as long as the price is right! As long as AA can charge competitive fares on these routes, they won't have trouble filling them up.

25 ual777uk : Perhaps your right but whats the longest flight on Spirit in their sardine can? On AA I guess the shortest long haul flight will be say 7 hours......
26 gdg9 : I will certainly avoid the 777-300 on my next DFW-LHR trip. I'll go on the BA 744 or even AA 772 (if BA not available) before I get subjected to 3-4-3
27 N62NA : I agree. For people flying in coach, it's all about getting the lowest price. Plus, those flying coach will most likely be infrequent flyers anyway,
28 skipness1E : The idea that those of us who fky down the back are not frequent fliers is categorically wrong for many of us, it's not about getting a cheap deal, i
29 mogandoCI : Gold elites are still FF and they can't get MCE. I guess even the Golds deserve to be punished for not flying enough to make PLT. Repeat business fro
30 Post contains images AA94 : I strongly disagree. Perhaps this comment is correct for the majority of fliers on leisure routes to Florida or California, or on carriers such as WN
31 N62NA : Most flying in coach on these long haul routes are not frequent flyers (i.e. don't have any elite status). Of course there are some that don't fall i
32 cv990coronado : If they didn't find it hard enough to compete with BA now this, 3-4-3 in a 777 is terrible. I see BA being full all the time DFWLON it's not just serv
33 Longhornmaniac : It's an inescapable reality that most people traveling in Y are doing so because of price constraints, so it stands to reason the majority of them bo
34 skipness1E : I flew on average once every two weeks last year so that's about 52 flights. Not once was I tempted to pay 3-4 times as much as that sort of money is
35 flylku : Agreed. People (not the obese, just normal people) have been getting larger every generation for a couple centuries now. I avoid any airline that has
36 N62NA : You are providing anecdotal evidence. I do wonder, though, what the pricing will be for Main Cain Extra. I just tried to see what it would cost on AA
37 ZaphodB : I'll be surprised if they make a huge fuss about it because their bean counters will be gagging at the bit to see if AA can pull this off without a h
38 addictedMAN : What is the seat pitch going to be in the 3-4-3 cabin? I have flown 8 sectors on EK's 77W with a 34" pitch which I found perfectly acceptable. It was
39 Post contains images ZaphodB : 31" So now you have to pay "$8 to $108 per segment depending on the length of the flight" for MCE to get back to the 9AB / 35" pitch AA had (at no ex
40 Post contains images AirbusA6 : If any group of Y passengers would be fairly educated, know their rights and how to check to get comparative information, I imagine it would be long h
41 OB1504 : You'd be surprised. Half the time, they don't know what airline they're flying until they show up at the airport.
42 Post contains images skyone : Great! AA being the first North American Airline to go 3-4-3 on a 777 aircraft. We will see!!! For me, AA will not loose any customers with this confi
43 mogandoCI : Actually, AA needs to *gain* customers to reach the same load factor, else they'd be flying 9 unhappy customers per row plus an empty seat that only
44 rojo : Can you add some numbers to your post!!!! What load factor do you think AA has on its intercontinental flights (operated by 772's and soon 773's)??
45 mogandoCI : I don't work for AA, but you're free to divulge their internal confidential figures if you work for them.
46 rojo : Based on your statement, It looks like you work for one of AA's competitors who already did the analysis for a 3x4x3 configuration on B777's, so feel
47 Roseflyer : The focus of this thread seems to be on 10 abreast economy, which makes sense since that is what most people fly. However, the move towards fully flat
48 skipness1E : So....given that many people prefer BA over AA over the North Atlantic already, what does a 10 abreast AA vs 9 abreast BA suggest?
49 Roseflyer : It suggests that in economy class, passengers care more about price over seat comfort. Denser seat configuration means lower fares which attracts mor
50 Viscount724 : However carriers with less dense seating normally match the fares of other major operators regardless of seating. Search almost any city pair and you
51 AAIL86 : A lot of us here won't book 3-4-3, and being tall I certainly will not fly the AA 77W in the back (being top tier - maybe in one of the exit seats, m
52 mogandoCI : Except that by virtue of being a long haul international flyer, that customer is probably in the top 10-20% knowledgeable of what they're buying into
53 Post contains images skyone : So you are saying that by now, AF should be flying empty 77W in Y to plenty of places including Northamerica. Mmmmm interesting, as I am sure that by
54 cx828 : so AA 77W main cabin extra will equal to CX economy and AA's economy will be as narrow as Emirates??
55 mogandoCI : AF-KL group has been losing money quarter after quarter after quarter. Sure they blame it on the fuel bill (who doesn't ... it's the easiest scapegoa
56 Roseflyer : I dislike 10 abreast on a 777 as much as the next person, but I think pyramid scheme is a bit too much. All economy seats are miserable for long haul
57 mogandoCI : Actually the intention was never about PE war. The original quoted post was inquiring CX vs. AA seats (not route competition), so I was stating facts
58 rojo : Again... you need to provide numbers to back up your post!! Maybe it is the intra-Europe operation of AF/KL the one bleeding money and not the intern
59 mogandoCI : You didn't type enough exclamation marks to make your point across.
60 seabosdca : And today's fare with the MCE surcharge will usually be less, adjusted for inflation, than that economy fare you paid in the '90s. Meanwhile if you a
61 mah4546 : Load factor data is not confidential. It's published in T100 data by DOT. So if you want to make claims, back them up with facts, which are easily ac
62 mogandoCI : Does DOT data split load factors by F/C/Y ?
63 mah4546 : So what is UA's new 787s? They are 9 across, not 8 like JAL and ANA. By your definition, that's Y-. (And, make no mistake, AA's 789s will also be the
64 mogandoCI : 787 is optimized for 8.5 seats abreast while 777 is only optimized for 9 seats abreast, so 3-3-3 on 787 is still wider than 3-4-3 on 77W. Do the math
65 Post contains images mogandoCI : see how narrow those aisles are on the 3-4-3 ? source : Boeing website
66 mah4546 : What on earth are you talking about?? I clearly stated AA is going to 9-abreast on the 789. Meanwhile, make up whatever you like, facts are facts: th
67 Roseflyer : Rather than using cartoons, here are the actual numbers for the basic configurations (I put the A330/A340 for comparison sake): The basic configurati
68 qf002 : It's not a matter of the travelling public caring only about either price or comfort. It's about finding a balance between the two that maximises the
69 mogandoCI : Thank you. I've just randomly searched a few airlines' 777 configs on seatguru.com, and for the same 3-3-3 economy seat, they have everything from 17
70 Viscount724 : I disagree. Many frequent business travellers are now forced to fly Y class due to their corporate travel policy. If they are used to flying, for exa
71 qf002 : And those travellers are covered by corporate travel policies and long term frequent flyer loyalties. In any case, these pax will generally be access
72 skyone : For those ¨frequent¨ business travellers forced to fly Y class due to their corporate travel policy, American invented Y+ and EVIPs, as I am sure t
73 skyone : +1, I think people here forget that an Airline Legacy Business "sometimes" includes 4 classes of service (BA and AA) + Frequent Flyer Program (Elites
74 N62NA : Is MCE planned on the 772 fleet?
75 Post contains images qf002 : If there's anything the current 3-4-3 777 thread in Polls/Prefs shows, it's that there are plenty of us here who aren't too concerned about the 10 ab
76 AA94 : Yes. AA plans to update the 772s in a J/Y+/Y config, with the same hard products as the 773. No word as to what the seating configuration will be, th
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