Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
California Pacific Hits A Wall - Startup Unlikely  
User currently offlinemrskyguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11953 times:

I work in the industry and happened to hear an unsettling rumor last week (from a very credible source) that CalPac is unlikely to get off the ground due to a recent seemingly "insurmountable obstacle." Given my inability to confirm this information, I am tagging it as a bona fide "confident rumor," and would certainly appreciate any additional information floating around amongst the crowd.

Being a SoCal resident, I would love to see CP fly.. but I've always been heavily pessimistic about all four corners of the business model. If the rumor is true, it's a blow to the aspirations of the travelers who were less enthusiastic about commutes to LAX, LGB , SNA and SAN.


"The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee." -- Gunter's 2nd Law of Air
23 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11863 times:

What's the rumored "insurmountable obstacle"?


My post is my ideas and my opinions only, I do not represent the ideas or opinions of anyone else or company.
User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11757 times:

their facebook page just posted 2 new job openings....


xx
User currently offlinecoopdogyo From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11629 times:

There was just an article in the new york times about the difficultly of starting up an airline. The CEO of CP was quoted several times in the article.

User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5071 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11455 times:

CP has indeed stated it will open 2 jobs soon. One of the jobs is for reservations. They will also be getting an aircraft delivered soon. As for the rumor, I hope it is false.


I Am A Different Animal!!
User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11373 times:

Not knowing much at all about this company I can tell you that one MAJOR problem they have is that they move so slow that by the time they get ready to fly, if ever, they will be out of money. This group of old men have a huge staff and a lot of executives on the payroll but no revenue at all coming in. There is a whole lot of talk always coming out of this airline but that's about it. This is one of the reasons that you don't see any of their competitors taking them seriously. If they ever get around to actually flying a passenger you will see the real airlines pound all over them. This airline is a joke and has no chance of being successful, its just a group of old men who have nothing else to do.


/// UNITED AIRLINES
User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10718 times:

As a SoCal native, I'd love to see this operation get going and thrive. I have heard the FAA POI that they are dealing with is particularly difficult. Any solid info on this "insurmountable obstacle?"

[Edited 2012-05-28 19:44:10]


Life is better when you surf.
User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10709 times:

I also have to say that I know one of the original folks and he walked away... I never got the story, but I bet it had to do with needing an actual paycheck and not working for sweat equity. I am typically asked to work for free when it comes to setting up a new-airlines distribution/reservations system and I flatly refuse. An airline will have to spend at least $250k to get their systems in place, and that includes my fees (which are probably less than 5% of that). If an airline won't pay me $1500/mo to manage this stuff during start-up, how do I know they won't pay Sabre $40k for the e-ticketing upgrade/IET hub expense?


xx
User currently offlineflycpair From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 18 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10484 times:

We love a good rumor as much as the next airline employee, but we haven’t found much substance in this one. CP Air has been adding maintenance staff for the anticipated arrival of our first Embraer 170 in the next 60 days. We are about to spin up our Navitaire reservation system and are adding support to get that going as has been listed on our jobs page. On the regulatory front, we continue to work with the FAA to refine our operations manuals and training programs.

We continue to make steady progress on the regulatory and fund raising fronts. It is no easy feat starting an airline these days, but our fully compensated team continues to work on making our airline a reality.

The CP Air Team


User currently offlineKLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10400 times:

Quoting flycpair (Reply 10):

When should/do we expect the first flight of the airline? The distant future? The near future?

Cheers and best of luck to you and to the Airline    ,
KLAXAirport   


User currently offlinecoopdogyo From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10060 times:

Gotta love it when an airline has an airliners account so they can discount rumors before they snowball.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5460 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8754 times:

Quoting F9animal (Reply 4):
CP has indeed stated it will open 2 jobs soon. One of the jobs is for reservations. They will also be getting an aircraft delivered soon. As for the rumor, I hope it is false
Quoting flycpair (Reply 8):
We love a good rumor as much as the next airline employee, but we haven’t found much substance in this one. CP Air has been adding maintenance staff for the anticipated arrival of our first Embraer 170 in the next 60 days. We are about to spin up our Navitaire reservation system and are adding support to get that going as has been listed on our jobs page. On the regulatory front, we continue to work with the FAA to refine our operations manuals and training programs.

We continue to make steady progress on the regulatory and fund raising fronts. It is no easy feat starting an airline these days, but our fully compensated team continues to work on making our airline a reality.

And I join the optimists here! (I've learned to keep the faith while trying to be a fan of local pro sports in San Diego for over 60 years now!...   ) Hang in there Team CP Air!

  

bb


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6070 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8058 times:

Quoting coopdogyo (Reply 10):
Gotta love it when an airline has an airliners account so they can discount rumors before they snowball.

Or spin it so it doesn't look as bad as it really is, but I digress...



Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7957 times:

I think it's nice to hear directly from the airline. Honestly, lots of the people who post about CP are posting rumors.

User currently offlinereadyjetgo From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

Quoting coopdogyo (Reply 10):

Gotta love it when an airline has an airliners account so they can discount rumors before they snowball.

I think it is nice to hear directly from someone within the airline, and in particular a person who also provides his name and position. Rumors and gossip, especially those posted in a widely respected and popular public forum such as airliners.net, can potentially do harm to the airline's reputation, so I don't blame them/him for having a presence here. I want to hear CP Air's "spin" on their own affairs. Yes, it'll be glossed over in the name of good PR - but use that gloss to balance out the gossip, which is always exaggerated to the other end of the spectrum. Somewhere in between, most likely sits the real situation. Start-ups are always a game, and we all know this industry is full of shady start-up players, but I think I would be MORE suspicious if they stayed silent and failed to represent themselves.

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 5):
its just a group of old men who have nothing else to do.

Attributing slow progress/managerial incompetency because of their age is just plain bad karma! Someday in our careers we will find ourselves with far more professional years behind us than ahead, and I'd like to think that we would be respected for our knowledge, years of experience, and good intentions instead of the speed at which we are perceived to move things forward! I use the example of Usto Schulz, who was already well into his 80's when I was lucky enough to work with him in Jetblue's early days. Usto IS aviation safety. To see him walking down the hall you might've wondered what that "old dude" was doing in the office, but to see his resume and to see him action was a humbling experience. He was there to help build the foundation that become the FAA. He may not have been able to run down the hall to a meeting, but he could most definitely use his knowledge and outright history to move things forward. And man did he ever! There were those of us who, at that time, were young managers in our 20's and 30's and we thought we invincible...but Usto always left us in the dust and always gave us a run for our money. I remember attending a meeting years ago, when a well-respected and seasoned POI was debating with Usto over the interpretation of a particular FAR. Usto listened intently to the POI's point of view, but his reply was direct and calm, "Let me tell you that I sat at the table and helped write this very rule years ago. And your interpretation was not what we intended its purpose to be." You can't get better experience than that! I don't know anything about the management team at CP beyond what is provided in their online bio's...but I certainly wouldn't assume that this airline's slow progress or potential for failure can be attributed solely to its leadership team being a bunch of "old guys" with nothing better to do. If that were the case, I'm sure they would be smart enough to find big bank or other big corporation to work for that would give them guaranteed shiny golden parachutes to pad their fall from grace with a nice cushion of cash!


User currently offlineContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6557 times:

Quoting flycpair (Reply 8):
We love a good rumor as much as the next airline employee, but we haven’t found much substance in this one.

And we love solid facts and detailed explanations, but we haven't found much in this one. Weak as water, this diversion. I don't know if the rumors are true, but your explanation is as squishy as the rumor.



Christianity. Islam. Hinduism. Anthropogenic Global Warming. All are matters of faith!
User currently offlineAvi8r747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6182 times:

What type of aircraft are they supposed to be using?


It's an entirely different kind of flying; all together!
User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2185 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

Quoting Avi8r747 (Reply 16):
What type of aircraft are they supposed to be using?
Quoting flycpair (Reply 8):
anticipated arrival of our first Embraer 170



Atheists - Winning since 33 A.D.
User currently offlineATL From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

I hope they make it through, it's nice to see a fresh airline on the market

User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3146 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 15):
And we love solid facts and detailed explanations, but we haven't found much in this one. Weak as water, this diversion. I don't know if the rumors are true, but your explanation is as squishy as the rumor.

Care to elaborate? What specifics are you seeking? What specifics of the rumor -- note, rumor, the oxymoron of specific -- do you find more substantial than the press releases of the company?

Also LOL on "love solid facts" when this attack is base on a rumor. I don't get it.

-Rampart


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5460 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 19):
Care to elaborate? What specifics are you seeking? What specifics of the rumor -- note, rumor, the oxymoron of specific -- do you find more substantial than the press releases of the company?

Also LOL on "love solid facts" when this attack is base on a rumor. I don't get it

   Right there with you rampart.

bb


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3801 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 9):
When should/do we expect the first flight of the airline? The distant future? The near future?

I'll be in San Diego over the July 4th holiday and San Marcos Christmas to New Years.

It'd be great to be on the first flight to *wherever.*

I'd reserve now if I could.   


User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5071 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Quoting flycpair (Reply 8):
We love a good rumor as much as the next airline employee, but we haven’t found much substance in this one. CP Air has been adding maintenance staff for the anticipated arrival of our first Embraer 170 in the next 60 days. We are about to spin up our Navitaire reservation system and are adding support to get that going as has been listed on our jobs page. On the regulatory front, we continue to work with the FAA to refine our operations manuals and training programs.

We continue to make steady progress on the regulatory and fund raising fronts. It is no easy feat starting an airline these days, but our fully compensated team continues to work on making our airline a reality.

The CP Air Team

Thank you! I appreciate the update, and I am very excited to see CP airborne soon. I hope the negative posts don't steer you all away from posting here. I apologize on behalf of the negative a.netters.



I Am A Different Animal!!
User currently offlineAvi8r747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 17):
Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 17):

Thank you, don't know how I missed that...



It's an entirely different kind of flying; all together!
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Cargo Plane Hits Wall In HEL posted Tue Mar 20 2012 09:58:47 by AirlineCritic
California Pacific Air Clears FAA Phase 1 Cert posted Mon Feb 6 2012 21:01:56 by stasisLAX
Any News On California Pacific Airlines posted Wed Dec 28 2011 05:33:15 by ridgid727
What's Happening With California Pacific Air? posted Fri Oct 22 2010 08:45:59 by dl767captain
California Pacific Air Update – Incl Proposed Sked posted Fri Aug 20 2010 18:03:33 by LAXintl
Update On California Pacific Airlines. (CP Air) posted Mon Jul 26 2010 14:22:48 by LAXintl
California Pacific Air Applies For Route Authority posted Fri May 14 2010 08:44:44 by LAXintl
California Pacific Airways - New Carlsbad Based posted Sat May 1 2010 21:25:43 by dl767captain
Bae-146 Hits Wall (Picture) posted Thu Apr 9 2009 16:04:55 by ENU
Possible New Startup Airline: California Airlines posted Fri Aug 20 2010 17:35:45 by SANMAN66