Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3480 posts, RR: 35 Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1519 times:
I can't say, how much Boeing and Airbus aircraft are currently in use in Europe. So I put some numbers together, which show the orders placed in North America and Europe for Boeing and Airbus. The orders do not include orders placed by leasing companies, and order cancellations.
Orders in 2000
In Europe: 75 for Airbus, 72 for Boeing
In North America: 138 for Airbus, 244 for Boeing
Orders in 1999
In Europe: 67 for Airbus, 36 for Boeing
In North America: 104 for Airbus, 64 for Boeing
Orders in 1998
In Europe: 254 for Airbus, 133 for Boeing
In North America: 98 for Airbus, 303 for Boeing
Total 1998-2000 (without leasing companies, without cancellations)
In Europe: 396 orders for Airbus, 241 orders for Boeing
In North America: 340 orders for Airbus, 611 orders for Boeing
Anybody can make his own interpretation.
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BA-747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1483 times:
i think airbus is bigger in continental europe france, spain etc but in the UK i think its more boeing at my local airport its more boeing if not all- airlines i know that travel to gla uses
airtours boeing + some airbus
air 2000 mostly boeing some airbus
american airlines boeing
air canada boeing
canada 3000 boeing
air transat boeing + L10-11
continental boeing + DC 10
british airways mostly boeing
EGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12426 posts, RR: 41 Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1468 times:
Most of the british charters use an even mix of Boeing and Airbuses.
I'd say it was about evens in the uk, maybe here in BRS the majority is De Havilland (shaddap GKirk)
BA is not mainly Boeing, they are selling their 757's and classic 737's in return for A319's/A320. So they will have Airbuses=Shorthaul and Boeings=Longhaul. Which is probably what my airline would be (i prefer shorthaul airbuses, and i prefer longhaul Boeings)
Tupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1412 times:
AF is dumping their 767's, 747-200's and -300's and 737's and getting A330's and A380's. In the future the only Boeing aircraft that will be in their fleet will be 747-400's, 777-200's and 777-300ER's. IB eventually will only have 757-200's which they have orders of now - they will retire their MD-80's and 727's in favor of A320's and their 747's for A340's on long-haul. BA is retiring their oldest 757's that have RB211-535C engines and their 737's will begin to leave soon, but they will stick with Boeing for long-haul. LH is also retiring their 737's and their 742's will be gone by next year, leaving 744's as their only Boeing aircraft in the future. SN and EI are also retiring their 737 fleets in favor of A320's and SR and Austrian will be retiring their MD aircraft soon as they receive Airbus replacements. TAP is already all-Airbus. Alitialia, however will continue to operate 763's and will be receiving 777's soon and SAS is currently receiving 737NG's but their long-haul will be with Airbus.
B808/A400 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1400 times:
In europe, airlines face big pressure to order Airbus planes. That's not to say Airbus
doesn't have its own merits, but the company right now is heavily subsidized and
people are demanding that it become self-sufficient. To speed up this process of
becoming fully autonomous, some peer pressure is used among the countries.
As for those who paint the bleak picture of the whole world moving to just Airbus,
they are idiots. Both planes have their merits which is reflected in the fact that both
companies are getting nearly equal orders. I think in the end, once Airbus becomes
fully self-sufficient, it'll be a roughly eqaual split. It's entirely possible, after all, in the
past there were at least 3 major airplane manufacturers in the US alone and they got
along for quite a while.
DatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
It's the time to stop such a blah-blah like "Subsidized". If those flag carriers choose aircraft type mainly by 'administrative necessity', there won't be anything like AF 777. Don't forget Airbus is also funded by UK, and SR/OS all-Airbus is nothing to do with either of 'Political pressure' or 'European pride'.
In fact, East Asian airliners face more pressure than European ones, that to purchase Boeing. That's why KE ordered 22+ 737NGs when it can buy 320s or just use F100s and MD80s during economical crisis and huge loss. And as you know, KE operates large fleet of 330s. That tells everyone that political pressure doesn't effect so much.
OO-AOG From Switzerland, joined Dec 2000, 1426 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1389 times:
There's no pressure on European airlines to buy Airbus!
Why would BA and AF build huge 777 fleets then?
Why does the A380 hasn't been ordered by BA?
Now interesting question, why does AA/DL/CO are commited to Boeing and will not order a single Airbus in the following decade, why does not a single A340 has ever been sold in USA? Definately not because the 777 is a better plane but maybe because there's simply a kind of pressure to buy american. Don't you think so?
Anyway, back to the topic, I think that Airbus is slowly getting bigger in European fleets, but there's a lot of factors shuch as high value of the US $ or Airbus cockpit fleet comonalty that you need to take into account before saying that there's political pressures.
One thing you can be sure is that they will never be number 1 in USA!
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4141 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1377 times:
Can we stop this discussion or stick to the real topic of this thread before it will become yet another Airbus-Boeing thread with over 150 replies with people who either favour Boeing or Aibus? Is it difficult to have a Boeing - Airbus thread without accusing either the Europeans or the American of subsidizing either Boeing or Airbus?
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4141 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1349 times:
I just looked into the 2001-2002 JP for the answer.
The answer on the question who is bigger Airbus or Boeing by country (I don't mention exact nuymberts because I didn''t have the time to add all the numbers):
Only Airbus flying is the PH-JLH (the farnair A300's have been returned as as far as I know don't fly anymore).
Due to Maersk, Star Air and Sterling more Boeings than Airbusses (36 to 14)
Boeing wins 16-0 (not a single airbus registered in this small country)
Difficult to point a winner. However, upon a quick calculation of the OO registred planes I come to 65 Airbusses and 60 Boeings. Thus Airbus wins (allthough next year Boeing will probably win as Sabena will shrink).
Thanks to Ryanair Boeing wins with 55-24 (and Boeing will remain number 1 if Ryanair keeps expanding)
Thanks to Swissair (58 Airbusses) and Edelweiss (4 Airbusses), is Switzerland an Airbus country. only easyJet Switzerland (3) and Prvatair (5) seem to lprefer Boeing.
Seems very close (must have some time to know who's number 1).
A 41-4 victory for Airbus
Without ant doubt Airbus is the winner (don't have the exact numbers yet)
Allthough Airbus does good business in the UK, the combined Airbusses from BMI, BA, Monarch, JMC, Air 2000, Airtours, British Med, Channel express and the biz A319 (based at LTN), they can't match Boeing who wins due to BA (including the franchises), easyJet, GO, Britannia, JMC, Monarch, European Aircharter and Excel
Sorry Boeing but I don't count Mc Donnel Douglas aircraft as Boeing aircraft (allthough that doesn't help). Thus Airbus is the winner.
Yet again I don't consider MD-80's Boeing aircraft but they don't need them to win as it's 53-45 for Boeing
A clear win (41-7) for Boeing.
A clear win for Airbus thanks to AF
Airbus wins 21-17
Because Braathens prefers Boeings, Boeing leads with 35-0 in Norway (I count SAS under Sweden)
Again no MD-80's or DC-9's in the Boeing count. Boeing wins with 85-5
I'll try to figure out the exact numbers for France, the UK, Germany and European countries I haven't mention yet (sorry but I also want to enjoy the fine weather we now have in The Netherlands) to get a good answer on Kiss my L1011s question (OO-AOG does this answer yor question).
BTW I've tried to calculate the exact numbers but maybe one or two planes wrong.
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4141 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (11 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1323 times:
I must first correct something. Unlike what I thought Boeing wins in Spain with 109-92. Thus in Spain ther're more Boeings than Airbuses.
The number for the UK is 415 Boeings compared to 149 Airbuses. For France the number is 167 Airbusses compared to 164 Boeings .
Boeing has 269 planes flying in Germany compared to Ai 197 Airbusses.
In the netherlands we've 125 Boeings and 1 Airbus.
1437 Boeings (without the MD's and DC's) and 852 Aibuses flying in Europe, thus boeing is bigger in Europe! I may have made a mistake. If so come with the exact numbers. Those who question that this is true should pick their JP 2001-2002 and count the number of Boeings and Airbuses in Europe themselves.However, don't come with planes that have yet to be delivered!.
BTW am I the only one on this forum with a JP?????????
25 LJ: I must apologise if I've missed your country. I haven't with a specificx purpose only because if you've counted the largeset countries you already hav
26 Critter592: Now this is a question worthwhile... This question is which is bigger IN EUROPE? Boeing or Airbus? Not, Which is Better... Good Going, but you need to