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OAG Changes 6/1/2012: AA/*AS*/F9/UA/Y4  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7038 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9620 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

Delta must be happy
*AA BOS-LHR NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
AA DFW-BZE AUG 1.1>0.8 SEP 1.0>0.3 OCT 1.0>0.3 NOV 1.0>0.7
AA DFW-CZM AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.9
AA DFW-LIR SEP 0.3>0.2 OCT 0.3>0.1
AA DFW-MAD NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
*AA DFW-PLS SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
*AA DFW-PTY SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
AA DFW-PVR SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.1>1.0
AA DFW-SJU AUG 2>1.6 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.5
AA FLL-PAP AUG 2>1.8 SEP 2>1.6 OCT 2>1.5 NOV 2>1.8
AA JFK-ANU SEP 0.6>0.3 OCT 0.5>0.3 NOV 0.6>0.5
AA JFK-BGI SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.9
AA JFK-SJU SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
AA JFK-STT AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.3 OCT 1.0>0.3 NOV 1.0>0.7
AA MIA-AUA SEP 2>1.9 OCT 2>1.8
AA MIA-BZE AUG 2>1.9 SEP 2>1.7 OCT 2>1.7 NOV 2>1.9
AA MIA-CLO AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.9
AA MIA-CUN SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AA MIA-EZE OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
AA MIA-GCM SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA MIA-GIG NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.5
AA MIA-GND SEP 0.6>0.4 OCT 0.6>0.4
AA MIA-GRU NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
AA MIA-GUA SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA MIA-LIR SEP 0.9>0.7 OCT 0.8>0.7
AA MIA-MBJ SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA MIA-MGA SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA MIA-SAP SEP 2>1.9 OCT 2>1.8
AA MIA-SCL NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.5 JAN 1.0>1.4
AA MIA-STT SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA MIA-STX SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
AA MIA-SXM AUG 2>1.8 SEP 2>1.4 OCT 2>1.4 NOV 2>1.7
AA MIA-UVF AUG 1.0>0.8 SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.5 NOV 1.0>0.8
AA MIA-YUL SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA ORD-CUN AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.2 OCT 1.0>0.3 NOV 1.1>0.7
AA ORD-MBJ SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0.1

*AF ATL-CDG OCT 1.8>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2

AM FAT-GDL NOV 0.4>0.1 DEC 0.5>0
AM LAX-MEX JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5
AM ORD-GDL JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.5

AS LAX-GDL SEP 2>1.9 OCT 2>1.8
AS LAX-MMH SEP 1.0>0.7 OCT 1.0>0.5
AS LAX-PVR OCT 1.0>1.1
AS LAX-SJD SEP 1.7>2 OCT 1.7>2
AS LAX-STS SEP 1.8>3 OCT 1.9>3
**AS MCO-SAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7
*AS PDX-BIL SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
*AS PDX-DCA SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
AS PDX-YVR SEP 2>1.7 OCT 2>1.7
AS SEA-ANC SEP 18>16 OCT 16>13
AS SEA-ANC SEP 18>16 OCT 16>13
AS SEA-ATL OCT 1.0>2
AS SEA-DFW OCT 3>2
AS SEA-JNU OCT 3>2
AS SEA-LAX OCT 11>10
AS SEA-PHX SEP 5>4
**AS SEA-SAT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
AS SEA-SJD OCT 0>1.0
AS SEA-YVR SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6
AS SJC-GDL SEP 0.6>0.4 OCT 0.6>0.4

BA SJU-ANU NOV 0.3>0.2 DEC 0.3>0.1 JAN 0.3>0.1

BR GUM-TPE JUL 0.8>0.5 AUG 0.7>0.5

DL ATL-AMS OCT 1.8>2.0 NOV 1.0>1.5 DEC 1.0>1.6 JAN 1.0>1.6
DL EWR-AMS NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7
DL LGA-DCA DEC 10>11
DL PDX-AMS OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7

F9 DEN-CUN NOV 1.0>1.1
F9 DEN-LAS SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
F9 DEN-LGA SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>1.9
F9 DEN-MSY AUG 0.6>0.5
F9 DEN-PVR NOV 0.8>0.9 DEC 1.1>1.2
F9 DEN-SJD NOV 0.9>1.0 DEC 1.1>1.4
F9 DEN-SLC OCT 5>6

G4 AZA-LAS DEC 0.2>0.9 JAN 0.1>0.8
G4 AZA-OAK DEC 0.2>0.9 JAN 0.1>0.8
G4 BIL-LAX NOV 0.2>0.1
G4 BLI-HNL NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3
G4 BLI-LAS DEC 0.8>1.9 JAN 0.7>1.8
G4 BLI-OGG NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3
G4 EUG-HNL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1
G4 FAT-HNL NOV 0.1>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3
G4 FAT-LAS DEC 0.2>0.9 JAN 0.1>0.8
G4 IAG-SFB DEC 0.2>0.9 JAN 0.1>0.8
G4 LAS-HNL NOV 0.2>0.4 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4
G4 LAS-LRD DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7
G4 LAS-SCK DEC 0.2>1.2 JAN 0.1>1.1
G4 LAX-MSO NOV 0.2>0.1
G4 SCK-HNL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1
G4 SMX-HNL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1

HY JFK-RIX NOV 0>0.1 DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.1

JJ MIA-GRU JUL 1.7>2
JJ MIA-REC JUL 0.1>0

KE GUM-ICN JUL 1.6>1.8 AUG 1.6>2 SEP 1.6>2 OCT 1.6>2

LX LAX-ZRH JAN 1.0>0.9

NZ LAX-AKL NOV 1.9>2 DEC 1.9>3

OZ CMH-ORD AUG 0.7>0.4 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 0.1>0.0

PD EWR-YTM JAN 0>0.2

Looks like they extended the end a little bit from last week, still ending, though.
*UA CLE-CVG AUG 0>0.7
*UA CLE-SBN AUG 0>0.8
UA DEN-SJD NOV 0.1>0.3
UA EWR-ANU NOV 0.3>0.4
BER/TXL fix
*UA EWR-BER AUG 0.7>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.7>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.6>0
UA EWR-BQN NOV 0.7>0.5
UA EWR-BTV SEP 3>4
UA EWR-DEN SEP 6>7
UA EWR-NAS NOV 1.0>1.2 DEC 1.0>1.2
UA EWR-PAP NOV 0.4>0.3
UA EWR-PLS NOV 0.5>0.4
UA EWR-PWM SEP 4>5
UA EWR-SDQ JAN 1.4>1.2
UA EWR-SJD NOV 0.4>0.5
UA EWR-SXM NOV 0.9>0.7 DEC 1.1>0.9
UA EWR-TXL AUG 0.3>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.6
UA EWR-YQB SEP 4>5
UA FLL-TCB JUN 2>3 JUL 1.2>1.3 AUG 1.1>1.3 SEP 1.2>1.3 OCT 1.1>1.3
UA IAH-BRO JUL 5>4
UA IAH-CID SEP 1.6>1.0
UA IAH-CLL SEP 6>5
UA IAH-COS SEP 4>3
UA IAH-GRK SEP 5>4
UA IAH-LOS SEP 0.9>0.7
UA IAH-MCI JUL 9>8
UA IAH-MFE SEP 8>7
UA IAH-MSY SEP 11>10
UA IAH-OMA JUL 6>5
UA IAH-PDX SEP 4>3
UA IAH-PVR SEP 0.8>1.0
UA IAH-SJD SEP 1.8>2
UA IAH-SMF SEP 3>2
*UA IAH-VCT JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0 DEC 1.8>0 JAN 1.9>0
UA IAH-YEG SEP 2>1.7
UA LAX-ELP AUG 0.9>0.5
UA LAX-LAS SEP 5>6
UA LAX-SAN SEP 14>12
UA LAX-SBP SEP 6>5
*UA ORD-JAN OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
UA ORD-PVR NOV 0.1>0.3
UA ORD-SYR JUL 5>4
UA ORD-YQB SEP 1.8>2.0
UA SFO-CIC SEP 4>3
UA SFO-GDL NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.8
UA SFO-IAH SEP 10>11
UA SFO-MOD SEP 4>3
UA SFO-RDD SEP 5>4

*WN AUS-DCA JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0

*WP MKK-OGG JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2

XL JFK-GYE OCT 1.0>1.3 NOV 1.0>1.3 DEC 1.0>1.6 JAN 1.0>1.5

Y4 FAT-GDL SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>1.1 NOV 1.0>1.1 DEC 1.0>1.2 JAN 1.0>1.1
Y4 LAS-GDL AUG 1.1>1.6 SEP 1.1>1.7 OCT 1.2>1.7 NOV 1.1>1.7 DEC 1.1>1.7 JAN 1.2>1.7
Y4 LAX-MEX SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>1.1 NOV 1.0>1.1 DEC 1.0>1.2 JAN 1.0>1.1
Y4 LAX-MLM AUG 1.0>0.8 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4 NOV 1.0>0.5 DEC 1.0>0.4 JAN 1.0>0.4
Y4 MDW-GDL JUN 1.1>1.2
Y4 OAK-GDL JUN 1.0>1.1 AUG 1.6>1.2 SEP 1.5>1.0 OCT 1.6>1.0 NOV 1.6>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0
*Y4 OAK-MEX AUG 0.5>0.4 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0
*Y4 SAN-GDL AUG 0.6>0.4 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0
Y4 SJC-GDL SEP 1.3>1.0 OCT 1.3>1.0 NOV 1.3>1.0 DEC 1.3>1.0 JAN 1.3>1.0

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7038 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9607 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS LAX-GDL SEP 2>1.9 OCT 2>1.8
**AS MCO-SAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7
**AS SEA-SAT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

Were these announced and I missed it, or did I just make news?

MCO-SAN surprises me because it is so long and MCO is considered low-yield. Perhaps they are betting on lower-fuel.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9345 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-ATL OCT 1.0>2

Interesting that this will be a red-eye instead of the mid-afternoon flights AS usually likes to run for second flights.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
**AS MCO-SAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7
**AS SEA-SAT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

Were these announced and I missed it, or did I just make news?

I don't see either of these for sale yet, and nothing on the AS board at flyertalk about them either.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently onlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9087 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA ORD-JAN OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

Happy to see MS getting some love, though it seems this route has always been a challenge. I seem to remember AA trying it at one point and UA has had it before.



What does AA/US merger mean for CLT/JFK/PHX/North America/Southern Hemisphere/God's Plan for the Universe
User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9018 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-MAD NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7

Largest AA hub to largest IB hub can't sustain daily service ? I know winter to Europe is slow but THAT bad ?


User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 672 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8940 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AS MCO-SAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7

Paging SANFan...  
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AS SEA-SAT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

If this is true, big news for AS.

SAT is one of those markets that is on the edge of viability from SEA in terms of daily pax. There would be some military traffic for sure, but there are not a lot of other obvious business connections. AS is apparently unconcerned about cannibalizing from SEA-AUS.

Along with PDX-DCA, I believe these flights would consume the rest of AS's fleet expansion in 2012, so no PIT for a little while longer, not that I'd expect AS to open it in the winter. Next spring, perhaps.   


User currently offlineerj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8926 times:

Is anyone ever gonna offer RDU-SJU? B6 stated it was on their short list over a year ago and nothing!

And when is UA going to reinstated RDU-DEN? To be sure UA-tinenal is going to have RDU service to all continental US hubs.. that's usually their thing..

And lastly, is the DL CUN focus city officially dead?



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8875 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AM FAT-GDL NOV 0.4>0.1 DEC 0.5>0

This is funny. I look forward to your updates just so I can see what AM does with FAT-GDL! LOL



From the world's largest airline-to the world's largest airline. Delta2ual
User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8696 times:

Is UA ending service to Victoria, TX then (was it twice daily and once daily weekends)?
IAH-VCT to 0?

They are sandwiched in-between AUS (124 miles ) SAT (132 miles), CRP (108 miles), and IAH (142 miles) /HOU (128 miles) so I guess it is back to driving...

Did they have EAS funds for this?



Ciao Windjet mi manchi
User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7501 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8683 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 4):
Largest AA hub to largest IB hub can't sustain daily service ? I know winter to Europe is slow but THAT bad ?

Its been like that every winter since the flight began operating.

Its daily during the spring, summer, and fall and in the winter it goes to 5x weekly.

This is nothing new.



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User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5355 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8625 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AS MCO-SAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7

**AS SEA-SAT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

I certainluy agree with those surprised (and confused?) by these routes! (And, btw, thrilled if SAN-MCO turns out to be true!!!) However, as already mentioned, since no announcement has yet been made, were these slip-ups -- similar to the DCA-HNL flights that somehow were mistakenly opened for sale on Travelocity, etc., a few weeks ago before the DOT even made their decision in the DCA Service Expansion case -- leaked prematurely? Interesting start to the week...

I will be looking into this asap to find out if they are correct or not.

bb


User currently offline96texan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8627 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA IAH-VCT JUL 1.9>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.9>0 DEC 1.8>0 JAN 1.9>0

Matter of time this route was cut. There never seems to be anyone on those flights. Plus, since the Saabs in IAH are exiting the fleet, I'm assuming United doesn't want to send any ERJ-135s/145s down there either.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 8):
Did they have EAS funds for this?

This is an EAS route but UA would have to send ERJs down there once the saabs are gone and I don't think ExpressJet would be willing to serve VCT.


User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8389 times:

Quoting 96texan (Reply 11):
This is an EAS route but UA would have to send ERJs down there once the saabs are gone and I don't think ExpressJet would be willing to serve VCT.

If it is EAS, then UA has to serve notice of intent to end the service. Can't just walk away from it until a replacement has been awarded.


User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8338 times:

Good news for SAT!

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 5):
SAT is one of those markets that is on the edge of viability from SEA in terms of daily pax. There would be some military traffic for sure, but there are not a lot of other obvious business connections. AS is apparently unconcerned about cannibalizing from SEA-AUS.

I used to be a bit skeptical too, however the San Antonio - Austin region is closing in on 4 million people - two daily n/s from central Texas to Seattle seems plausible at this point. Additionally, Seattle is a top 20 O&D destination from San Antonio with over 120,000 year pax (2008 numbers provided by San Antonio airport)


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7038 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8311 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-ATL OCT 1.0>2

Interesting that this will be a red-eye instead of the mid-afternoon flights AS usually likes to run for second flights.

That is odd for off-peak. They needed the plane for the new routes.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
I don't see either of these for sale yet, and nothing on the AS board at flyertalk about them either.

Great, I scooped them.  
Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA ORD-JAN OCT 0>0.9 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

Happy to see MS getting some love, though it seems this route has always been a challenge. I seem to remember AA trying it at one point and UA has had it before.

Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas traditionally are weak to ORD. Don't know why.

Quoting erj170 (Reply 6):
And lastly, is the DL CUN focus city officially dead?

It was beheaded by Mexican drug lords a year ago. :p

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 8):

Is UA ending service to Victoria, TX then (was it twice daily and once daily weekends)?
IAH-VCT to 0?

Apparently

Quoting SANFan (Reply 10):
were these slip-ups

There's a schedule and block times.

AS762 SAN-MCO 2235 0630 x23 73H
AS763 MCO-SAN 0805 1040 x34 73H

AS688 SEA-SAT 1230 1835 D 73H
AS689 SAT-SEA 1925 2155 D 73H

I'm sure it is real. Those are legit schedules.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8269 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 9):
Its been like that every winter since the flight began operating.

Its daily during the spring, summer, and fall and in the winter it goes to 5x weekly.

This is nothing new.

And you don't think there's something fundamentally questionable with a JV'ed hub-to-hub that fails to sustain daily service ? This is DFW-MAD, not some obscure thing like CLE-VIE or SLC-CAN.


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7501 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8201 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 15):
d you don't think there's something fundamentally questionable with a JV'ed hub-to-hub that fails to sustain daily service ? This is DFW-MAD, not some obscure thing like CLE-VIE or SLC-CAN.

No, I dont.

Traffic falls off a cliff to Spain and Southern Europe in the winter. Since that is the target audience of that flight, its not a surprise.

Tons of flights to Europe are less than daily in the winter from all sorts of hubs. Its not really that noteworthy that a flight goes from daily to 5x weekly for three-four months out of the year.



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User currently onlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 8129 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas traditionally are weak to ORD. Don't know why.

AA has a pretty healthy schedule out of LIT and XNA, but AA is quite dominant at both of those airports, whereas DL seems to be boss in JAN (and WN does have a MDW nonstop, if I'm not mistaken). I know nothing of Alabama except that it exists.



What does AA/US merger mean for CLT/JFK/PHX/North America/Southern Hemisphere/God's Plan for the Universe
User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5355 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 8086 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*Y4 SAN-GDL AUG 0.6>0.4 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0

Gulp! This I hate to see. I don't know if this will hold true but if it does, will it become a seasonal route or is it gone for good? (I'm very surprised that there is nothing showing at least for the holidays in December; I would certainly expect they could run daily flights between SAN and GDL for a couple of weeks around Christmas anyway...)

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Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 8078 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA BOS-LHR NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0

How many flights from LHR does AA have nowadays?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AF ATL-CDG OCT 1.8>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2

Isn't one of these on the A-380?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AS MCO-SAN NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**AS SEA-SAT OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

It's interesting to see how much AS is expanding. Do you think they'll have more presence on the east coast? IMO they could probably compete with Jet Blue as a cheap alternative for coast-to-coast travel. (to LAX, SEA, etc)

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA CLE-CVG AUG 0>0.7

When is it supposed to be ending now?



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7527 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 8024 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AF ATL-CDG OCT 1.8>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2

Isn't one of these on the A-380?

No but there is a 77W. This is just DL and AF shuffling who is operating what flights this winter.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7038 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 7968 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
Gulp! This I hate to see.

Wait a week...

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
How many flights from LHR does AA have nowadays?

In the Fall I count:
BOS 1
DFW 2
JFK 5
LAX 1
MIA 1.5
ORD 3
RDU 1

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AF ATL-CDG OCT 1.8>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2

Isn't one of these on the A-380?

I only see 777s.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Do you think they'll have more presence on the east coast? IMO they could probably compete with Jet Blue as a cheap alternative for coast-to-coast travel.

AS isn't cheap. Their costs are much higher than B6. I think they depend on code share and frequent flyer cooperation to make those regions work.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
When is it supposed to be ending now?

It was July and now it goes for 0.7 of August. I don't know the day. If it is 2 trips it might just be a week or so.


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Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 7943 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 18):
I would certainly expect they could run daily flights between SAN and GDL for a couple of weeks around Christmas anyway...

No one is going to pay $100 extra in taxes/fees when they can fly to TIJ and drive across the border, especially when Y4 has 7 flights alone TIJGDL.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 7882 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 21):
AS isn't cheap. Their costs are much higher than B6. I think they depend on code share and frequent flyer cooperation to make those regions work.

A reasonably-priced First Class cabin probably has something to do with it too, which AS has eluded to in the quarterly calls a couple of times. This weekend I was looking at AS flights PDX-SEA-EWR for the last week of August, and already a few flights are fully booked up in F. Three months in advance!



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Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 7867 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 16):
No, I dont.

Traffic falls off a cliff to Spain and Southern Europe in the winter. Since that is the target audience of that flight, its not a surprise.

Tons of flights to Europe are less than daily in the winter from all sorts of hubs. Its not really that noteworthy that a flight goes from daily to 5x weekly for three-four months out of the year.

Nearly all the drop-offs below daily (common occurence) are hub-to-spoke flights with no connections on the European end. I rarely see a hub-to-hub with the same fate. Neither DFW nor MAD is a marginal hub like CVG, so I don't see how your argument holds water.


25 AeroWesty : With AA's current penchant for directing Saver award traffic onto BA where significant fuel surcharges are levied, with that revenue presumably share
26 SANFan : They certainly did last December. And I disagree with you as well about San Diegans crossing the border to fly within Mexico. I've said it before --
27 jfklganyc : Looks like AA is in a slow march to end all service between JFK and the Caribbean. Sad, this was once the backbone of the JFK operation
28 SCL767 : Great to see LAN Ecuador continuing to add flights on the GYE-JFK route!
29 PIEAvantiP180 : DL and B6 are slowly replacing the capacity that AA is taking out of NYC to Caribbean. Last week DL published expanded schedules to FL and the Caribb
30 enilria : AA is hoping to code share with B6 in NYC.
31 whatusaid : Y4 is running a 2X on peak days this summer as well.. They're running two red eyes about an hour apart.
32 MaverickM11 : Every flight to Latin America is full in December Why don't we look at all the other successful non leisure Mexican flights to SAN, or American fligh
33 LAXdude1023 : Southern Europe has a huge drop in traffic in winter. Thats not a hard concept to grasp. Heres another one for you. MAD isnt LHR, CDG, AMS, or FRA. A
34 Cubsrule : Pretty long, most markets are pretty small, and there aren't a lot of historic economic ties between Chicago and any of those areas. The more busines
35 ChrisNH : Since AA will be dropping its morning Boston-London flight, will BA stick with the 777 on theirs?
36 mogandoCI : Is DL's ATLMAD daily or 5x weekly in winter ? If DL can hold theirs I can't see why AA can't .... That's on top of zero partners at the MAD end for D
37 LAXdude1023 : Actually ATLMAD does go down to 5x a week in winter.
38 MAH4546 : That's a ridiculous comparison. First of all, DL only serves MAD from JFK and ATL, so it uses those as its only gateways to Madrid and nothing else.
39 seabosdca : So the solution to the dilemma that this route is too long for a 757 with winter winds but not profitable enough for a 767 is to cancel the route for
40 poLot : EWR-BER is being zeroed out because BER is no longer opening this year. If you look further down EWR-TXL was loaded back up.
41 mogandoCI : If IB has so many flights already why not just cancel all AA MAD flights except DFW, since it's jv and AA gets their share without doing any work any
42 whatusaid : April numbers showed 99 pax per flight, which is a little light for Y4.
43 mogandoCI : And it's not ridiculous to justify draw down of DFW based on flights from SJU and BOS ?
44 PIEAvantiP180 : Yes that's what AA management wants to do, but what if the judge said that AA cannot break the union contracts and that they need to go back to the n
45 flyguy89 : No, it's really not, you seem to be the only one not grasping the picture here. If AA, in addition to connecting people to MAD from DFW, MIA, and JFK
46 RWA380 : Good work, it's not easy to do. Everytime I think I have a scoop, turns out I don't. I'd love to see their PDX-DCA-PDX flight times. Looks like the S
47 Post contains images enilria : It's weird, though. HSV and BHM have had ORD fairly consistently, but the service seems to ebb and flow. It's funny because up the road in BNA there'
48 PSU.DTW.SCE : There just are not the economic ties. The deep south has historically been one of the weakest economic regions in the country. Recent growth really r
49 Post contains links DariusBieber : It's official: SAT - SEA http://splash.alaskasworld.com/Newsr...s/ASstories/AS_20120530_051153.asp
50 Post contains images enilria : Of course, with no more STL/CVG/MEM/BNA/CMH/IND hubs left it is hardly overflying any more. :p Thanks It wasn't a typo, huh. LOL I knew it wasn't wit
51 RWA380 : Hey enilria, thanks for the info.....Nice flight times, I see that overnight AS has updated their route map and schedules, the interactive map is bac
52 SCL767 : LAN Ecuador has decided to operate the GYE-JFK route 11x weekly year-round starting in December.
53 crAAzy : Wowzers! Did they run 3 flights a day last year? Starting late October 2012 - 3x daily 777 MIA-EZE 1x daily 777 DFW-EZE 1 x daily 777 JFK-EZE That's
54 mah4546 : The daylight has operated before, as 4w and during only peak periods (mid-June to mid-August and peak winter). This is the first time, IIRC, it is da
55 Post contains images enilria : Thanks for the support. I see MCO-SAN was also announced. I guess I could have created three threads when I saw them loaded in OAG, but it seemed dum
56 Post contains images RWA380 : You are absolutely right, this board is littered with the same info in multitudes of threads. I know it must feel great to break news here, I'm alway
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