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Allegiant Announces MRY To HNL  
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5803 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8283 times:

Allegiant this morning announced Monterey (MRY) to HNL flights starting November 16. Service will 1X per week operating on Fridays.
http://ir.allegiantair.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=677971

Not mentioned in the release is a temporary increase in frequency for some cities during the end of the year holidays. SCK, EUG and SMX will all operate 2X weekly for 2 or 3 weeks in Dec/Jan.


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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8265 times:

Very cool. Glad to see them continue the expansion.

-Dave



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8220 times:

And so it continues............

User currently offlineStudeDave From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7998 times:

Good grief!!! How many more flights/cities can they get outta six 757s?



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7966 times:

Gotta say that this is starting to remind me of Aloha in a way, where Aloha always used alternates intead of the major airports for their mainland to hawaii flights. (but that's where the similarity ends)

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7930 times:

Quoting StudeDave (Reply 3):

Good grief!!! How many more flights/cities can they get outta six 757s?

Alot since most of these flights are weekly.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5803 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7855 times:

Quoting StudeDave (Reply 3):
Good grief!!! How many more flights/cities can they get outta six 757s?

Looking at it by roundtrips operating in late November (when the MRY flights start):
LAS-HNL - 3x per week
FAT-HNL - 2X per week
BLI-HNL - 2X per week
BLI-OGG - 2X per week
SCK-HNL - 1X per week
SMX-HNL - 1X per week
EUG-HNL - 1X per week
MRY-HNL - 1X per week

Total roundtrips = 13 per week

That low number is why they also still have capacity to increase frequency over the holidays.

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 4):
Gotta say that this is starting to remind me of Aloha in a way, where Aloha always used alternates intead of the major airports for their mainland to hawaii flights. (but that's where the similarity ends)

Keep in mind this is no different than how G4 operates on the mainland. All of these cities already see Allegiant flights to LAS and in some cases AZA, SAN, or LAX. Smaller cities to large vacation destinations is the business plan.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7502 times:
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Quoting FATFlyer (Thread starter):
Allegiant this morning announced Monterey (MRY) to HNL flights

I read somewhere that the Monterey-Carmel-Salinas-Marina area
has one one hightest travel rates to Hawaii in California.

Plus I'm pretty sure the nice folks at The Naval Postgraduate School will otherwise keep the planes full  


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5803 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7274 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
I read somewhere that the Monterey-Carmel-Salinas-Marina area
has one one hightest travel rates to Hawaii in California.

The Bay Area, Sacramento, Southern California, Santa Barbara, and other areas send more visitors per 1,000 residents than Monterey/Salinas. Even Eugene sends more tourists to Hawaii per 1,000 residents than the Monterey/Salinas area. (See the link below)

In terms of actual numbers of passengers from unserved markets MRY is one of the largest remaining in the west (until G4's flights start). In fact all of these new routes are among the areas that send the largest number of passengers to Hawaii but have had no nonstop service.

2010 Hawaii Visitor Source Rankings by MSA and # of residents visiting Hawaii in 2010:
28) Stockton-Lodi,CA 18,341
29) Fresno,CA 17,942
30) Santa Barbara/Santa Maria/Lompoc, CA 17,755
39) Eugene/Springfield,OR 15,026
45) Salinas/Monterey,CA 12,939
49) San Luis Obispo/Atascadero/Paso Robles,CA 11,805 (Allegiant will serve from SMX)
50) Bellingham,WA 11,760

http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/info/visitor...-research/2010-annual-visitor.xlsx



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7074 times:
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Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 8):
45) Salinas/Monterey,CA 12,939
49) San Luis Obispo/Atascadero/Paso Robles,CA 11,805 (Allegiant will serve from SMX)

Oh gawd!

I sincerely hope these two don't get into a tussle for passengers.

[Edited 2012-05-30 16:57:08]

User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3127 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7003 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 8):
In terms of actual numbers of passengers from unserved markets MRY is one of the largest remaining in the west (until G4's flights start). In fact all of these new routes are among the areas that send the largest number of passengers to Hawaii but have had no nonstop service.

I'm waiting to see if they might start COS-Hawai'i. Ranked 33rd. They could possibly generate a little reverse flow, too. I've not read any discussion of the possibility, however. Too far?

-Rampart


User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

Is the 7600 ft runway at MRY enough for a loaded 757 going to HNL? As I recall, the runway does have a bit of a slope.


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5803 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6951 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 9):
Oh gawd!

I sincerely hope these two don't get into a tussle for passengers.

Those numbers are by MSA of residence not airport departures.

Quoting rampart (Reply 10):
I'm waiting to see if they might start COS-Hawai'i. Ranked 33rd. They could possibly generate a little reverse flow, too. I've not read any discussion of the possibility, however. Too far?

G4 used to say they would serve Hawaii from points as far east as COS. But then they started saying the service would be from cities west of the Rockies. So it might be possible although I have found the wording change interesting.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3205 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 8):
50) Bellingham,WA 11,760

Does have AS BLI-HNL already, But since lower BC is the market airlines are trying to tap with flights out of BLI, I guess it would be fair to include those passenger numbers as well. I remember flying once from YVR to BLI, a very short 20 minute flight on a Beech 99, point is, it's not really that far to drive and save the extra taxes, especially families buying 4+ tickets.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6812 times:
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Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 11):
Is the 7600 ft runway at MRY enough for a loaded 757 going to HNL? As I recall, the runway does have a bit of a slope.

As I recall, back in 1996 a DC10 landed / took off from DCA's (recently extended to 7100 feet) runway .

767s also land / take off from both DCA and LGA.

MRY's hilltop runway with Pacific onshore winds will be easy money.


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6454 times:
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Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 11):
Is the 7600 ft runway at MRY enough for a loaded 757 going to HNL? As I recall, the runway does have a bit of a slope.

Here's your answer!


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User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1552 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6360 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 15):
Here's your answer!

I can't comment on the logistics of taking a fully loaded 757 off of MRY, however I have a feeling that a corporate 757 would be no where near fully loaded! So while a 757 can and has taken off out of MRY, that doesn't quite answer the original question as to whether a fully loaded flight to HNL can! I would say though that Allegiant has done their research and can make it work!



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User currently offlineOsprey88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

As a longtime MRY resident, I'm honestly pretty skeptical about this flight working. It will be interesting to see how it goes and don't get me wrong, I would love to see a G4 752 coming in and out of MRY and I wish them all the best.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
Plus I'm pretty sure the nice folks at The Naval Postgraduate School will otherwise keep the planes full

This. The Naval Postgraduate School, DLI and old Fort Ord keep MRY going in many ways and without them, MRY would lose quite a bit of service.

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 11):
Is the 7600 ft runway at MRY enough for a loaded 757 going to HNL? As I recall, the runway does have a bit of a slope.

This will be interesting. I've seen bizjet 757s come in and out of MRY but I guarantee they are a lot lighter than a fully loaded 757 as cbphoto spoke to in the post above. I know 757s, A320s and BBJs, all of the bizjet variety come in and out of MRY all the time. I know MRY did also at one time see a 707 at one time and I believe a 777 as well, but both were probably carrying no passengers and minimal fuel. But I'll give Maurice Gallagher the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Regardless, it will be a sight to see and I might just have to get on the first flight   



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3657 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6020 times:
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Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 11):
Is the 7600 ft runway at MRY enough for a loaded 757 going to HNL? As I recall, the runway does have a bit of a slope.

What is the normal runway for departures? 10R or 28L? Looking at the pictures in the database, it looks like most operations are on the 28L, which slopes downhill. Also, I don't think Allegiant's 757s are going to be at MTOW for a 2091nm trip, even considering the extra fuel needed for ETOPS. Just for reference, US flies LIH-PHX non-stop, which is 2589nm, and LIH has a 6500ft runway.


User currently offlineB595 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2009, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5971 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 18):
What is the normal runway for departures? 10R or 28L?

It's almost always 28L. The only scenario I can imagine where there might be performance issues in MRY is with 10R departures, where the departure path is bracketed by hills and ridges. In this case some restrictions might come into play because of single-engine climb gradient requirements. But we all know the 757 is a comparative rocket ship, so my guess is that even 10R departures wouldn't present a problem.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3205 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 18):
I don't think Allegiant's 757s are going to be at MTOW for a 2091nm trip, even considering the extra fuel needed for ETOPS. Just for reference, US flies LIH-PHX non-stop, which is 2589nm, and LIH has a 6500ft runway.

Since G4 is transporting only passengers and baggage and no cargo, I expect even the high density lay out of G4's 757's, they still won't have any operational issues from MRY. Hey Ha763, thanks for the point of reference, it surely helped me understand better.

This won't be the shortest route between Hawaii and the mainland as I first thought, it's still SFO-HNL at about 8 miles closer. Kudos to MRY for the new n/s flights you got this year AS to SAN, then G4 to HNL.



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User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

UA operated 757's a long time ago from MRY, but they only came and went from SFO. Yes, a 16 minute flight in a 757. The Air Force used to send C-5's and C-141's into MRY, but load is the issue.

User currently offlineB737900 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4183 times:
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 13):
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 8):
50) Bellingham,WA 11,760

Does have AS BLI-HNL already, But since lower BC is the market airlines are trying to tap with flights out of BLI, I guess it would be fair to include those passenger numbers as well. I remember flying once from YVR to BLI, a very short 20 minute flight on a Beech 99, point is, it's not really that far to drive and save the extra taxes, especially families buying 4+ tickets.

The last several times I have been to Bellingham Airport I have been very surprised to see the parking lot so full of cars with BC license plates. It is a very short drive/fly distance. The advantages of flying out of BLI must be worth it but the border crossing can (and is) a hassle. But of course it really depends on the exchange rate between the US/Canadian dollar. Now it is almost equal.

[Edited 2012-05-31 07:57:48]


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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3070 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Quoting Wingtips56 (Reply 11):
Is the 7600 ft runway at MRY enough for a loaded 757 going to HNL?

Easily, not even close to being maxed out for a 757's performance. A 757 could probably take off from SNA's 5700 ft runway going to HNL without a weight restriction. In fact, a 767-300ER or 777 could probably takeoff from MRY for HNL with no problem.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3904 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 23):
A 757 could probably take off from SNA's 5700 ft runway going to HNL without a weight restriction.

The "SNA Technique" -- locking your brakes on the piano keys--throttling the engines until the plane's fuselage shakes--then cutting loose and rolling fast -- is actually a blast to experience.   


25 BoeingGuy : Yeah, but many operators don't do this at SNA anymore. AS often just does the rolling takeoff. AA no long does the static run-up on 738 and 757 depar
26 Mainliner : Were these scheduled flights or diversions/charters? What time period would this have been? Seems like quite a bit of aircraft for such a route!
27 rampart : UA had a number of tag-ons with larger-than-necessary equipment in the past. Sometimes they'd RON at the tag-on city. -Rampart
28 StudeDave : Thanks folks!!! I've been having trouble keeping up I guess... StudeDave
29 RWA380 : Just a few on the west coast, SAN-LAX - 747's, D10's, DC8's PDX-SEA - 747's. D10's, DC8's
30 N62NA : Good to see MRY getting scheduled 757 service again. I remember the UA 757 service from back in the 1990s I believe.
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