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New Service To BDL In The Near Future?  
User currently offlineboeing71234567 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 64 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

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A recent study by The Ohio State University shows the extent of Bradley's service to other airports. The normal nonstop routes are prevalent, but there are other destinations that are fairly big in market, with no nonstop service to BDL. These airports are PHX, LAX, and SFO. US Airways used to have service nonstop to PHX, Delta to LAX, and United to SFO. These routes are cancelled a while ago, even though the earnings were positive. Is there any hope of new service out of BDL nonstop to these airports in the near future?

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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

Something like BDL-LAX reminds me of BOS-NRT. It hasnt been really viable until now, since the new technology 787 allows for long thin routes. I dont think BDL can support year round service on a mainline 150+seat type jet, but maybe someday there will be 70-100seat jets that can make the route possible.


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

It seems that BDL-PHX would be possible as a seasonal route for WN or US.

User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

BDL-LAX was actually served non-stop by AA, DL had a stopover in CVG.

User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 3):
BDL-LAX was actually served non-stop by AA, DL had a stopover in CVG.

I can't speak for the AA service, but as far as DL is concerned...there was a non-stop off and on for years. It was up to 6x weekly in the song days on a 752; then was a 4-5x weekly 738 for a while, operated as a LAX-BDL-SLC-BDL-LAX routing; once SLC was dropped out of BDL, the LAX route stayed around for years, still as a 738. It was dropped for the first time with the huge oil spike in Fall 2008, came back a couple years later, and I believe was suspended again two years ago.

Anyway, DL certainly flew the route nonstop.


User currently offlinelat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

United DC8-50s did BDL LAX back in the 70s

User currently offlinerl757pvd From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4643 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

For new service to BDL just look at the list of what has been lost and go from there.

I for one am surprised that IAH has not made it back yet.

That said, I'd also be weary for PIT, CVG and RDU as the 50-seat economics worsen.



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2954 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 5):
United DC8-50s did BDL LAX back in the 70s

Yep, and DC-8-61s if I recall at at times. UA, DL and AA have all done LAX-BDL at times. UA has done SFO-BDL at times also.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 6):
I for one am surprised that IAH has not made it back yet.

The issue may (still) be lack of 70-seaters at IAH. That route probably needs a CR7 or 170.

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 6):
That said, I'd also be weary for PIT, CVG and RDU as the 50-seat economics worsen.

As long as AX keeps flying, I think PIT probably sticks around. They'd have cut it in 2008 if they were going to cut it, as it has no more feed then than now. CVG and RDU are certainly in danger, though.



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User currently offlineB2468 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2975 times:

Recent developments in aviation markets have not been kind to CT, what with BOS and NYC so close.

Maybe the 787 will help, though? BDL is a great airport. I have fond memories of flying to BDL from MSP and MCI...so much more convenient than the NYC airports, especially when taking your own car.

I'm surprised HVN still has traffic. I experienced the desertion of BDR back in the 90s (I grew up just two blocks away, and I was one of the few BDR supporters in a sea of NIMBYs)...I would have though the airlines would have the HVN-based pax go up to BDL or down to NYC.



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User currently offlinenomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2873 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
Yep, and DC-8-61s if I recall at at times. UA, DL and AA have all done LAX-BDL at times. UA has done SFO-BDL at times also.

At this same time TWA also operated BDL-LAX non-stops, with 707s. It was quite a popular route I believe.


User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

Quoting B2468 (Reply 9):
I'm surprised HVN still has traffic. I experienced the desertion of BDR back in the 90s (I grew up just two blocks away, and I was one of the few BDR supporters in a sea of NIMBYs)...I would have though the airlines would have the HVN-based pax go up to BDL or down to NYC.

That's what most airlines did. All that's left is US to PHL on the Dash 8. That's remained pretty stable for the last several years, so I'm guessing US is happy with how it is.


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2867 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if B6 gives BDL - LAX or LGB a whirl once the A320's with winglets or the NEO's come onboard. I also wouldn't be surprised to see some additional caribbean service for B6 out of BDL.


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12784 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
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Quoting boeing71234567 (Thread starter):
These airports are PHX, LAX, and SFO.

I suspect the MAX, NEO, or C-series will reopen those routes. IMHO the C-series would be perfect due to the lower cost per flight, but as no likely airline to fly the route has bought it... Never mind.   AA had BDL-LAX for a few years at least. I used it a few times a year typically.    But that was when I lived in Connecticut. (I'm now on the LAX side of that route.) So wait for the NEO/MAX.

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 1):
Something like BDL-LAX reminds me of BOS-NRT. It hasnt been really viable until now,

I suspect, with today's high oil prices, it will take a more fuel efficient airframe. The 738 can do it and the 738 with winglets has zero issue. It is a question of the cost of fuel burned versus the revenue (CASM vs. RASM).

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 12):
I wouldn't be surprised if B6 gives BDL - LAX or LGB a whirl once the A320's with winglets or the NEO's come onboard.

I would be. LGB has lower yield than LAX. The most likely to start will be someone with the UTC air travel contract. It was DL in the past, then no-one (whomever was the lowest that day) then DL again and I wouldn't be surprised if someone had a laundry list of other airlines. However, DL/Skyteam seams to be dominant at BDL.

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
However, DL/Skyteam seams to be dominant at BDL.

I'd be interested to see market share numbers amongst the alliances. UA and US both fly more mainline to BDL than to many comparable stations, and US even has a club. Of course, PMCO is pretty tiny there.



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