SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4716 posts, RR: 15 Reply 1, posted (11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6017 times:
HOWEVER, they did get the frequencies wrong! It's an overnight turn so the return can't be the same frequency as the outbound. (As it is in the booking engine, it should be X23 SAN-MCO and X34 MCO-SAN.)
Could someone with Alaska please report it to the media dept for a fix?
redrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 217 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5901 times:
Finally SAN is now seeing Florida service, its been dead overdue. But I didn't expect AS to fly this route. What other possible routes could AS open from SAN. They should seriously consider this place a secondary hub now with all the growth. SAN-LIH/KOA please.
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SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4716 posts, RR: 15 Reply 5, posted (11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5766 times:
Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 2): Finally SAN is now seeing Florida service, its been dead overdue.
Interesting isn't it red'? Our ONLY flight to the entire state of Florida!
Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 2): What other possible routes could AS open from SAN. They should seriously consider this place a secondary hub now with all the growth.
I've got a nice long list just in case AS doesn't already have their own! As long as they are in a Florida mode, I'd certainly like to see a FLL flight; traffic from SAN to S Florida is about the same as to MCO so Lauderdale should be able to support a flight as well. We'll have to wait and see what 2013 brings our way.
There's been a LOT done here by AAG in the past year. They are now the 2nd ranked airline at SAN in terms of # of destinations served with 10 cities. That puts them behind only WN as AS now moves ahead of UA, with their 9 unique destinations from here (9 IF CLE is included)! But I don't think we are even at focus city status yet with AS. I had hoped perhaps today there would be some indications along those lines but apparently not. Soon hopefully.
I'm with ya there bruda! Those were the next cities I was honestly expecting, but I'm VERY happy to see a decent attempt at Orlando-service finally. (Most of the things wrong with FL's bad attempt at briefly serving the market will not affect AS.)
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12556 posts, RR: 64 Reply 6, posted (11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5759 times:
We had an interactive map awhile back, but the contract with the vendor that provided that feature lapsed. We partnered with a new vendor and were able to bring that functionality back to alaskaair.com this week!
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SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4716 posts, RR: 15 Reply 7, posted (11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5673 times:
HiFlyerAS asked a question on the other thread and yes, according to the currently available schedules at AS.com, connections will be available in both directions between MCO and HNL.
In fact, it may very well be the same plane used for those 4 flights! (AS did re-time the HNL-SAN flight hours earlier.) The connection/turn on the w/b trip is VERY quick in SAN IF the same a/c is used. (It looks like the schedule allows other possibilities for that w/b turn however.) Anyway, here are the schedules:
MCO - 8:05am AS763
SAN - 10:40am
SAN - 11:20am AS891
HNL - 2:25pm
HNL - 12:40pm AS862
SAN - 9:22pm
SAN - 10:35pm AS762
MCO - 6:30am
So I don't know how much business there is between Orlando and Hawaii but a single connection (1-stop) trip will be possible through SAN starting in October.
Tomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 656 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5614 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 1): HOWEVER, they did get the frequencies wrong! It's an overnight turn so the return can't be the same frequency as the outbound. (As it is in the booking engine, it should be X23 SAN-MCO and X34 MCO-SAN.)
Could someone with Alaska please report it to the media dept for a fix?
Frequencies have been corrected on the AS internal site.
Tom SJC
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HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3661 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5426 times:
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 11): Probably AS. UA does have a good presence on the West Coast, but if you are speaking of up and down the West Coast, then AS is bigger.
Intra-West Coast traffic is indeed heavily AS, although UA is pretty strong within California.
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3460 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5394 times:
California to Florida on Alaska...I suppose stranger things have happened.
Seriously though, great score for SAN and AS. Should be a winner.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4716 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5104 times:
A couple of quick notes. I'm pleased to see that the SDIA gang (SAN.org) has already issued a press release about this great new route. (It's essentially just the AS PR but at least SAN corrected the mistake on the frequency of the flights; I guess AS isn't going to fix theirs.) Anyway, that's pretty fast for SDIA to jump on a new route like this. I get the feeling they are as stoked about AS as some of the rest of us are!
It should be noted that from SAN, I believe AS is now the first airline since Western to fly north, south, east and west -- all at the same time -- from our mini-airport in our little corner of the world! Nothing earthshaking but I think it's kind of an interesting and meaningful factoid. (If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.) A nice accomplishment for a great airline!
Thank you, Alaska, for expanding "The Experiment"!
FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 623 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5009 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 7): The connection/turn on the w/b trip is VERY quick in SAN IF the same a/c is used. (It looks like the schedule allows other possibilities for that w/b turn however.) Anyway, here are the schedules:
MCO - 8:05am AS763
SAN - 10:40am
SAN - 11:20am AS891
HNL - 2:25pm
Yeah, 40 mins is quick, but not unheard of. DL definitely schedules some 738 turns for ~40 mins.
SFO LAX ONT DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT PHL LGA JFK KEF LHR LGW MAD
flyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4914 times:
Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 2):
Finally SAN is now seeing Florida service, its been dead overdue. But I didn't expect AS to fly this route. What other possible routes could AS open from SAN. They should seriously consider this place a secondary hub now with all the growth. SAN-LIH/KOA please.
Well they did want to add SAN-DCA to that map ... but the US Govt didn't agree (this time around)
Tomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 656 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4747 times:
Quoting FSDan (Reply 17): Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
The connection/turn on the w/b trip is VERY quick in SAN IF the same a/c is used. (It looks like the schedule allows other possibilities for that w/b turn however.) Anyway, here are the schedules:
MCO - 8:05am AS763
SAN - 10:40am
SAN - 11:20am AS891
HNL - 2:25pm
Yeah, 40 mins is quick, but not unheard of. DL definitely schedules some 738 turns for ~40 mins.
The MCO-SAN A/C will make up the 1140am SAN-SEA flight from what I can tell. The SAN-HNL flight will be off the 9:27am SEA arrival certain days and will be a RON A/C in SAN on others. For ETOPS checks, at least 90 minutes of ground time is scheduled on Hawaii departures.
Tom SJC
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BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2285 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4634 times:
I'm happy for SAN getting all this new AS service, or at least attempted new flights (DCA). However, why is AS not instead continuing their SJC build up? I thought we'd see them continue to grow at SJC but is very minimal now (HNL and RNO maybe).
Why has AS not connected SJC with MCO, DCA, ORD, BOS, SNA (instead of giving up a few slots), etc?
FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 623 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4512 times:
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 20): Why has AS not connected SJC with MCO, DCA, ORD, BOS, SNA (instead of giving up a few slots), etc?
Of the cities you mention, AS has only announced MCO from SAN. I doubt you will see ORD or BOS in the near future from either SJC or SAN (on AS, that is), although BOS would be the more likely of the two.
SJC-MCO: I would be surprised if the market justifies the long flight
SJC-DCA: would need more beyond-perimeter slots to become available + much smaller market than SAN-DCA
SJC-ORD: already served by AA (and WN from MDW)
SJC-BOS: already served by B6
SJC-SNA: dominated by WN
SAN-DCA: they would obviously like this, but more beyond-perimeter slots would have to become available
SAN-ORD: already served by AA and UA (and WN from MDW)
SAN-BOS: already served by B6
SAN-SNA: never going to happen on any reasonable airline
SFO LAX ONT DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT PHL LGA JFK KEF LHR LGW MAD
Just because there are other airlines serving specific routes doesn't necessarily mean AS will stay off those routes. Hopefully, Alaska's SAN endeavors are successful and we will see further expansion. I can definitely see QX opening SJC and RNO to SAN with Q400's even with WN's presence (but it would mean QX would have to buy more).
SAN-SNA? You're probably right. But you can never say never...The Airline industry have shown more bizarre routes. What about SAN-LAX?
Mainline routes? Perhaps AS would consider reinstating SAN-YVR, additional SAN-Hawaii, who knows?
SANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 608 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4108 times:
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 23): Mainline routes? Perhaps AS would consider reinstating SAN-YVR, additional SAN-Hawaii, who knows?
If AS reinstated SAN-YVR, they would be sharing with AC on that route. I definitely can see more SAN-Hawaii
flights.
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 23): SAN-SNA? You're probably right. But you can never say never...The Airline industry have shown more bizarre routes. What about SAN-LAX?
Agreed. I don't see a SAN-SNA flight happening. I don't know what kind of market that would be. But who knows?
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 23): I can definitely see QX opening SJC and RNO to SAN with Q400's even with WN's presence
Agreed. Maybe even starting up a SAN-PSP with Q400s.
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25 slcdeltarumd11: The times seem good and the days chosen look dead on. Looks like a good attempt I hope it works
26 laca773: Interesting thoughts about SJC and SAN, FSDan. The only thing I see differently is, SJC-ORD. AA flies this only 2x daily and WN's SJC-MDW is 1x daily
27 SANFan: I agree with you Tom. Heck, as I think about it, I'm not even sure that the :40 connection in SAN, from MCO to HNL, is legal... On Tue and Wed nights
28 SANMAN66: I forgot that PSP is a mostly seasonal airport. If QX had a plane freed up from somewhere, they could start up a SAN-PSP flight, and send the Q400 el
29 B777ER: Alaska needs a name change. What's ironic is names from the past are more suitable now such as Western or Northwest. Main hub in SEA, HQ is SEA, route
30 Airport: While it is odd to get on an airline named Alaska in San Diego bound for Florida, I think the Alaska reputation and brand equity is far too valuable
31 Tomassjc: Seriously? Tell that to someone from Barrow who needs their groceries or the customer in Nome who has to get to the Doctor in Anchorage. Alaska has e
32 JAAlbert: I am always excited hearing that our little airport is getting new routes. But Orlando? I'm sure the airline has done its due diligence, but I would n
33 wedgetail737: As Tom says, AS had everything to do with the State of Alaska. Outside of ANC and FAI, AS is the only mainline travel within the State ranging from K
34 hatbutton: You basically just defeated your own argument. Let's be honest. The majority of customers don't know who they are really flying ever anyways (just as
35 HPRamper: On the contrary, I think Alaska is a very recognized brand on the West Coast. If someone is booking MCO-SAN, then maybe not. But at this point I thin
36 SANFan: Oh now JA', come on. Several people, including Thella Bowens (CEO of SDIA), and myself (!?), have mentioned that MCO is the largest unserved nonstop
37 B777ER: Gent's, I understand AS is important to Alaska. That's the problem of online forums, the context cannot be captured. What I meant was their recent ex
38 HiFlyerAS: I believe that approximately 50% of airline bookings today come from third-party booking websites such as Expedia, Orbitz, Travelocity, etc. Even if s
39 wedgetail737: Many comments here are left for interpretation. Thanks for the clarification. AS will never change their name unless they are merged into someone els
40 BoeingGuy: I don't think that's true at all. Some people are clueless about stuff around them, and know nothing except what's on TV tonight. I'll bet a lot of p
41 SANFan: I don't know where you sit but AS has served MCO (to SEA and PDX) for several years now. They've also served S. Florida via MIA (FLL starting next mo
42 chrisair: I still wish AS sent another plane to TUS, with a morning northbound departure. With this SAN-MCO flight, it's going to be strange getting off the PDX
43 BoeingGuy: Yeah great, so 95% of AS's route structure would be gone in a heartbeat and you'd never find any frequent flier redemption availability. That sounds
44 wedgetail737: Another flight between SEA-TUS or a new flight between SAN-TUS. If you're talking about SAN-TUS, I would bet it'll be a Q400, not a 737.
45 AeroWesty: Couldn't agree more. After all, there was also a time when those in the Bay Area or S. California said "Alaska who?" when AS first came to town back
46 SANFan: True but I just don't know what the LEGAL minimum is at SAN. Heck, aside from WN, there have probably never been more than a handful of connections m
47 SANFan: A thought that has flitted through my alleged brain many times, landing on MY list for AS's future expansion ideas... As long as AS fills the flights
48 AeroWesty: From a 2009 AS timetable, 20 minutes was the MCT at SAN for domestic inline connections for AS/QX flights.
49 SANFan: Good find 'Westy, thanks. In fact I just looked at the 9-17-11 timetable (the last of the "old" style ones that contained that information, and it wa
50 AeroWesty: My biggest concern would be if checked luggage would make the connection.
51 BoeingGuy: Exactly, all it takes is one 20 minute delay on your first leg and you likely just missed your connection. I'd rather give myself 2+ hours connecting
52 chrisair: It's a matter of being smart about your connections and knowing your routes and your options should things go TU. There are, of course, places where
53 BoeingGuy: There were two SEA-TUS flights at one time, early on when AS started TUS. What I'd rather see is a resumption of SJC-TUS. Long flight for a Q400 but
54 SANFan: The market also saw (this is going way back to the mid-50s through the mid-60s) multiple daily flights on Bonanza Air Lines (using those great Fairch
55 lindy field: If we're playing the history game, there was also a short period around 1990 or 1991 when DL had a one-flight from SNA to SAN very early in the mornin
56 SANMAN66: Interesting. I don't remember a SNA-SAN-ATL flight on DL, but I remember both Delta and Eastern running SAN-ONT-ATL flights during the mid-to late 80
57 SANFan: I'm thinking that was ONT, Lindy' but I could very well be wrong. I know TWA did ONT-SAN-ONT tag-ons, and so did EA, but I think DL did them occasion
58 jporterfi: Any chance we could see AS starting LAX-ATL or ANC-ATL?
59 lindy field: Alright, forgive me for going off-topic to respond to the issue of SNA-SAN flights. I have a copy of the OAG from January 1990, and it shows no Delta
60 wedgetail737: You can never completely rule out any possibility of AS flying LAX-ATL, but I think it's pretty unlikely considering DL's presence in that market. Th
61 AeroWesty: Funny! I was just leafing through a June 1979 TWA timetable, but they didn't serve SAN yet!
62 JAAlbert: I guess this is why AS doesn't employ me as a route planner! (But still, Orlando?) Also because many times the airlines list unrealistic connections
63 mah4546: SANMCO is a trash yield market, but AS has low costs and it clearly uses a plane that would likely otherwise be underutilized. But if fuel spikes agai
64 BoeingGuy: TWA did SNA-ONT as a tag-on not long before the AA gutting. I remember that TWA did several tag-ons on Saturday nights like that. Instead of the sepe
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