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Turkish Aviation June 2012  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4451 posts, RR: 12
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14577 times:

Hello there Turkish Aviation Fans,
Welcome to the June edition of our threads;


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-Is this a definite "GO" for the second runway at SAW?
-I can see that ONur is getting a 320 and receives 2 x 321s from TK.
-KK also gets another 320
-Sunexpress gets 3 x 738s from Ajet.
-TK receives latest 738 "Burgaz" and also the 3rd 739ER.
-TK started Leipzig.
-Also TK made the news by firing 305 of its employees via text messages. 233 flights cancelled. What is the TK employee morale at this point?
-Besides these cancellations and the usual Lodos cancellations, I have a feeling TK will be in the red in the 2nd quarter also. One plus thing that the oil prices keep going down, but it might not reflect on the bottom line till the end of the year.
-What is the latest on delays? For the last 3 months or so, IST was having a real hard time keeping up with all the traffic, any late personal experiences from our members??

Thanks for your participation, sharing of news; rumors, pictures, ideas, suggestions, accusations and sense of humor for these years.
Have a hot summer!!!

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User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14505 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-I can see that ONur is getting a 320 and receives 2 x 321s from TK.
-KK also gets another 320
-Sunexpress gets 3 x 738s from Ajet.

Interesting is that now, Onur and Atlas became Airbus only operators and Pegagus and Sunex became Boeing only operators (I think Sunex was always boeing)   



You have to have your heart in the business and the business in your heart. -Thomas J Watson
User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14451 times:

TK is shelving all AnadoluJet international flights and taking over the international flights operation to/from ESB (Finally !!!)

According to TK reservation system TK will offer following non stop service to/from ESB

Amsterdam (Thrice weekly)
Brussels (Thrice weekly)
Cologne/Bonn (Thrice weekly)
Dusseldorf (Five weekly)
Moscow (Daily)
Stockholm (Thrice weekly)
Teheran (Five weekly)
Vienna (Four weekly)

TK already started to operate the following routes ex ESB since 2 months and these also remain
Baghdad (3 weekly)
Stuttgart (2 weekly)

This is a very sudden decision it looks like. It seems AnadoluJet is down to domestic operations only.


User currently offlinecuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14400 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Thanks for your participation, sharing of news; rumors, pictures, ideas, suggestions, accusations and sense of humor for these years

Hi TK787 and thank you for another thread starter. As always very good, but very focused on TK operations and not that much the other carriers   So I will try to add a few more topics and rumors.

I heard last week from a very high source rumors that PGS is considering an order for 70-120 Airbus NEOs. Is there a chance we get to know more at Farnborough?

I've also heard rumors that SunExpress may open a base in South America and start regional operations to feed Lufthansa's longhaul network. I'd take that rumor with a pinch of salt though.

Vip Airlines is supposed to start operations during this month or possibly next. According to what I know, they have two owned A320's and are looking to buy/merge with another Turkish Airlines to obtain an AOC. The owner is an Iranian millionaire and the first flights will be between the two countries. Looking forward to see their livery in reality.



Also Seabird Airlines is supposed to start operation soon with their twin-otters connecting Istanbul to popular west coast islands and resorts. Anyone having information when they will commence operations?

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-Also TK made the news by firing 305 of its employees via text messages. 233 flights cancelled. What is the TK employee morale at this point?

I heard this as well. Very sad news for Turkish Airlines, it's employees and Turkey in general. I'm against striking, but you still should have the option. I wonder what the Talpa has to say about this. My sincere support to fellow TK members on A.net and the many pilots and hostesses i know in Turkish Airlines....


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14384 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 1):
Interesting is that now, Onur and Atlas became Airbus only operators and Pegagus and Sunex became Boeing only operators (I think Sunex was always boeing)   

Correct... SunExpress was, as far as I remember, always a Boeing only operator...

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 2):
TK is shelving all AnadoluJet international flights and taking over the international flights operation to/from ESB (Finally !!!)

According to TK reservation system TK will offer following non stop service to/from ESB

Amsterdam (Thrice weekly)
Brussels (Thrice weekly)
Cologne/Bonn (Thrice weekly)
Dusseldorf (Five weekly)
Moscow (Daily)
Stockholm (Thrice weekly)
Teheran (Five weekly)
Vienna (Four weekly)

TK already started to operate the following routes ex ESB since 2 months and these also remain
Baghdad (3 weekly)
Stuttgart (2 weekly)

This is a very sudden decision it looks like. It seems AnadoluJet is down to domestic operations only.

This I think is in line with the decision of closing AnadoluJet and transferring domestic operations to SunExpress... I seem to remember such a discussion a while back...


On another note, I decided not to fly with TK at all if possible. I am even cancelling my Miles&Smiles credit card and start using Adios or something... Any suggestions on the best credit card to collect miles?? Anything with the current government influence is off my list... I am even seriously thinking of relocating before it gets really really worse... I'd take any country at this point...



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14376 times:

Can anyone confirm TC-JIK has now been wfu & stored?

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4451 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14136 times:

http://www.airkule.com/default.asp?page=haber&id=11838
TK decides not to buy LOT.
They got enough on their plate as it is.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25748 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14125 times:

The idea of a regional jet looks is back on the plate @ TK.
COO TK COO Abdullah Soner Akkurt was quoted at an airline conference that such model would help on thin markets, and for example open up new secondary markets in Europe for TK.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
TK decides not to buy LOT.

   I could never identify any significant synergy benefits with loss making LOT, and frankly am relieved they opted to pass.

One very bad point about purchasing LOT would be the inability to actually own it fully, as Polish law only provided for up to 49% investment. So this could have been another B&H scenario, where TK shows up with the money, but cant control the operation and decisions fully.



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14005 times:
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Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 2):

Do you know how many aircraft Turkish Airlines will have in Ankara?


User currently offlinethereandback From Turkey, joined Aug 2005, 699 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13978 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-What is the latest on delays? For the last 3 months or so, IST was having a real hard time keeping up with all the traffic, any late personal experiences from our members??

I flew TK2525 BJV - IST and it landed very late. We went into a holding patter from a long time and once we landed we had to wait again for a gate to open up at the domestic terminal. The flight was supposed to land at 23:45 and I think we got home around 2AM.

I posted a TR of my latest TK flights today if anyone is interested. TK has really stepped up their product and in flight service. I feel like the crew that is used to mostly Turkish passengers is struggling with dealing with so many foreigners from all over the world as the airline expanded so rapidly. What do you all think?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4451 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13941 times:

Thanks for the awesome Trip Report thereandback, well written and nice pics.
Welcome back and hope to see you more often around here.
What were the loads like on TK's 3rd flight? I am planning on taking that one;
Leaving JFK 12:50pm arriving IST 5:40am. Can not think of a better time to arrive to beat the traffic at IST?
And if you could, did you feel any difference between the 77W and the 333 on the route?
Thanks.


User currently offlinethereandback From Turkey, joined Aug 2005, 699 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13918 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 10):
What were the loads like on TK's 3rd flight? I am planning on taking that one;

It was pretty full but not 100% full. Some people had the middle aisles to themselves in the back but the forward Y cabin was pretty full. I'd say the flight was maybe like 85% full. TK2 was very packed though. I felt the A333 was more roomier and quieter and I liked having only one neighbor but I also really liked TK's 77W. Both are great airplanes.

The new BJV terminal is very impressive. I wish I could have gotten a better pic but it's going to be a nice first impression of the country to the tourists who will come this summer.


User currently offlinemxp From Italy, joined Aug 2003, 457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13904 times:

i will fly TK on sunday MXP-IST and monday IST-LAX. Do u think i will have problems with the strike or its everything ok now?
Thanx
Alberto


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4451 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13886 times:

Quoting mxp (Reply 12):

I think you should be fine, seems like all of the flights back to normal, so Bon Voyage.

http://www.airkule.com/default.asp?page=haber&id=11839
TK to Maldives this year, I guess knowing that TK wanted to fly to 35 African destinations by next year, this was expected.


User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13855 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 8):

No I don't unfortunatley but AJet a/c usually does not overnight at Ankara hub (around 20) and leave from their destinations as their first early morning departure to Ankara and then they are busy until their last flight in the day back to their destination.

TK also has a lot of roundtrips between ESB and IST during day time but further a/c will be needed to supplement international operation ex ESB I guess.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2990 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13831 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 2):
Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 14):

Those flights are usually operated during summer. The last flight goes from IST and instead of an overnight in Europe they squeeze in additional rotations to Anatolia.


User currently offlinenitepilot79 From Turkey, joined May 2008, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 13799 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Have a hot summer!!!

You got that right! Adana'dayim.  



En Buyuk Turkiye, Baska Buyuk Yok!
User currently offlineISTGRU From Australia, joined Jun 2011, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13776 times:

On a lighter note, I noticed on a round trip last week that the TK inflight safety video has been edited to remove the ManU players - except at the end where they still do a scene with the captain's hat. Good call in my view, that was becoming quite grating!

User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2990 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13756 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 15):
Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 2):
Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 14):

Those flights are usually operated during summer. The last flight goes from IST and instead of an overnight in Europe they squeeze in additional rotations to Anatolia.

I've to correct my position, those flights indeed seem to be solely operated by aircraft based in ESB since they don't fit into any IST-xxx-IST rotation.

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 2):
According to TK reservation system TK will offer following non stop service to/from ESB

Amsterdam (Thrice weekly)
Brussels (Thrice weekly)
Cologne/Bonn (Thrice weekly)
Dusseldorf (Five weekly)
Moscow (Daily)
Stockholm (Thrice weekly)
Teheran (Five weekly)
Vienna (Four weekly)

TK already started to operate the following routes ex ESB since 2 months and these also remain
Baghdad (3 weekly)
Stuttgart (2 weekly)

in that case we can also add FRA, HAM, TXL to that list. Some additional night rotations during summer.


User currently offlinerobcol99 From Turkey, joined Jun 2004, 294 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13721 times:

Quoting ISTGRU (Reply 17):

On a lighter note, I noticed on a round trip last week that the TK inflight safety video has been edited to remove the ManU players - except at the end where they still do a scene with the captain's hat. Good call in my view, that was becoming quite grating!

They also edited the background music a little. It is shorter and better now.

The new IST arrival-departure pattern came into effect as of 1230 PM yesterday. If the southwest winds do not exceed a tail component of 8 knts, now the arrivals are at 23 and departures are still at 35. They have played with the SID altitudes to adjust for this change.
They have also published IST aircraft ground traffic patterns to minimize ground-aircraft comm. exchange.

Now, (10AM local 2/06), IST is operating with this config.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13694 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 13):
http://www.airkule.com/default.asp?page=haber&id=11839
TK to Maldives this year, I guess knowing that TK wanted to fly to 35 African destinations by next year, this was expected.

Maldives is in Asia  

I think a 2-3 weekly would work perfectly. Europeans currently either have to fly charter airlines or Gulf carriers.. Oh and the mighty BA of course  



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User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13648 times:

Could this be the design of the terminal for the new airport? Certainly looks cool... (left bottom corner)

See: http://www.sabah.com.tr/ExternalImag...06/02/IcerikResim/858766664976.jpg

The related article mentions that the new airport will be part of larger development that includes marinas and techno parks etc. and will have access to metro/rail links.

Article: http://www.sabah.com.tr/Yasam/2012/06/02/iste-yeni-istanbul (Turkish)


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13629 times:
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What aicraft would they use to Maldives? Would they send their B737-900s or would they need to send something bigger like an A330?


Does anyone know what aircraft Turkish Airlines might base in Ankara? Would see Airbuses or Boeings?

What is the possibility of developing Ankara and Istanbul into the same model Lufthansa has with Munich and Frankfurt?


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13625 times:
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Quoting tcm (Reply 21):
Could this be the design of the terminal for the new airport? Certainly looks cool... (left bottom corner)

See: http://www.sabah.com.tr/ExternalImag...06/02/IcerikResim/858766664976.jpg

The related article mentions that the new airport will be part of larger development that includes marinas and techno parks etc. and will have access to metro/rail links.

I love the picture of the Tu-154!  The design looks cool but how far would this airport be from the city?


User currently offlinetcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13605 times:

Quoting ju068,reply=23I love the picture of the Tu-154!  The design looks cool but how far would this airport be from the city?:

Yenikoy (on the Black Sea Coast) is about 50 km to Levent (Financial Center) and about 55-60 km to Taksim.


25 TK787 : Thanks, my fault; I think I mixed it up with the Seychelles. What happens when the wind is from the SW? Cool design, seems in line with other airport
26 bahadir : These areas are the only few places that are left intact nature wise around Istanbul. With the 3rd Bosphorus bridge and the idea of Yenikoy, welcome
27 TurkishWings : It's outside the range of a 737-900ER. I guess it would be a twice weekly 330 destination (lucky for the crew). Alternatively, with a one stop throug
28 Post contains images tcm : “A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” Winston Churchill
29 gokmengs : I feel like IST can be salvaged and maximized for less money, instead of ruining the other side of istanbul. Even silivri is a better idea. Most Euro
30 Post contains links radiopolitic : This is very similar to a University of Michigan project that I found after NuD38 posted these photos in the January thread: http://www.airliners.net
31 thereandback : It's funny how they're trying to greenwash this and say it's eco friendly. The third highway / bridge and then building this in the middle of the for
32 Post contains links and images tcm : The "idiots" who run the government are the same people that are responsible for the great infrastructure you rave about in your latest trip report;
33 Turkish350XWB : Building infrastructure with borrowed money is not such a big thing. This terminals will get build, either today or tomorrow. What really matters is
34 TK1244 : that is how I should have expanded AnadoluJet, connecting every Turkish airport with each other. Not only the biggest cities like Ankara, Istanbul an
35 Post contains images tcm : Guys, I understand and respect your point of view and I really don't want to venture in to politics. I believe that the urban regeneration, the 3rd b
36 Post contains images fxramper : How will the new UA service from EWR affect TK out of JFK?
37 Post contains links and images thereandback : Look at Istanbul before the 1st bridge and 2nd bridges. With each bridge there was less forest and the city expanded farther away from the center. Tr
38 Post contains images LAXintl : From someone that has done studies on the 3rd bridge that I know - one of the big reasons behind it is, to get traffic away from the city. There is a
39 radiopolitic : I don't know who this guy is. I find it suspicious that Google searches of his name and Urban Green (do they even have a website? Couldn't find one.)
40 radiopolitic : Don't even start on a 4th before the 3rd is built. Say goodbye to any semblance of clean air.
41 Post contains images thereandback : ???????????????? 4th one up by Rumeli? Are you aware that the third bridge will be from Garipçe to Poyrazköy? That's right by Rumelifeneri... What'
42 LAXintl : Much of the clean air is a problem of the types of gasolines used, lack of emmision controls, and industry still inside the city, not simply due to f
43 Post contains links tcm : Link: http://www.urbangreen.net/index.html
44 radiopolitic : My comment was in regards to the fact that there will be zero green space in Istanbul once you build a 3rd bridge, never mind a 4th. No trees, no car
45 Post contains images TK1244 : Can you maybe remember which year it was? I like to read more about it thank you in advance
46 Post contains images Turkish350XWB : If we look to the past of the mankind, we can clearly see that many mistakes happened because people just waited. I don't want to attack you personal
47 Post contains images Northstar80 : Completely agreed, without building proper underground rail infrastructure we will be building the 100th bridge and still complaining about traffic A
48 Post contains links TK787 : Nice to see this healthy debate on transportation issues here, I started to type something, it got too long, I decided to stick to what I know; TK ann
49 Turkish350XWB : Yes, but some posts got deleted as far as i see... Who does that??
50 ju068 : How congested is SAW? Is it facing the same fate as IST?
51 TK787 : Didn't know that. If a member "suggests deletion" the moderators will erase the post and all the posts related to it. I wouldn't take it personally,
52 LAXintl : I'd be happy to have an offline discussion, but the need for a bypass bridge for commerce is key. There are almost 3 million TIR trucks that transit
53 ju068 : Thanks for the info. So could we see Turkish Airlines replicating what they did at IST? Nautrally they can never do it to the same scale, but if SAW
54 Turkish350XWB : Not my posts, but of some other's... I agree that trucks need to be transported somehow. But for this other solutions need to be found. What is wrong
55 stylo777 : TK growth in IST comes also from longhaul expansion which in SAW is not possible at the moment. they cannot just transfer a few 330s and start flying
56 ju068 : I was not referring to transfering the longhaul flights. However, expand routes with strong O&D demand (as is the case with Kiev) and then expand
57 stylo777 : IIRC they used to fly to the UK and Germany as well as MOW, but I might mix it up
58 777way : Mahan Air launching Ankara from 14 June according to their website.
59 Post contains links thereandback : http://vimeo.com/42681236 - Kokpit CNN Türk video showing interior and exterior of the new BJV terminal. photo: http://www.arkitera.com/haber/index/.
60 ankaraflyjet : TK is going 5 daily on ESB IKA and IR is doing 3 weekly. With Mahan Air stepping in 3 airlines on the same route is a first for ESB international. I
61 ju068 : What is the reason for so much demand from Ankara to Tehran? Ankara is not a TK hub so there aren't many options to connect to.
62 ankaraflyjet : In fact there are wide connections with AnadoluJet to other Turkish destinations and TK is attracting transit pax on the route.
63 Turkish350XWB : He means 5w. New traffic report has been released. The growing trend is continuing and the first time, IST passed the 40 mio pax/year mark for 12 mon
64 ju068 : Thank you for the clarification. I was looking at some flights with TK and I noticed two things: 1. They added Serbia to the list of countries, it wa
65 ISTGRU : "Socially Yours" is used in connection with the social networking and other media sites used by TK. The term is only used when it has the links to FB
66 LAXintl : According to the Transport Ministry, the international tender for the construction of the 3rd Istanbul airport will be released in September. Plans ca
67 ankaraflyjet : The way the trend in Turkey continues upward soon ESB and ADB will also pass the 10 mil pax passmark, in fact expected to be by the end of 2012. Bett
68 TK787 : TK will be receiving 6 x A321s this year. #5 had its first flight today, TC-JSB. Another beauty for "wing" to take out for a flight!
69 ankaraflyjet : Today sees AnadoluJet's shrinking down to a domestic carrier and exiting all international operations ex-ESB after a trial of 3 years. First of all wh
70 wing : I was lucky to fly the maiden revenue flights of TC-JRA to London when I was a FO,and TC-JRO to Kayseri as a Captain.I flew the TC-JSA four days afte
71 Post contains images OA260 : I quite like that slogan and makes sense. TK have produced a new high quality book about their product and growth/history etc... managed to get one a
72 SR4ever : Interesting, how can one get this book?
73 777way : Iraqi Airways are said to have launched four times weekly Baghdad-Antalya service.[Edited 2012-06-10 12:00:42]
74 bahadir : Flew AMS-IST on TC-JRU .. Very nice airplane, very nice crew but the purser English was at the level when I first started to learn the language on 4th
75 ankaraflyjet : For clarification purposes the following is TK service to/from ESB on TK metal; Amsterdam, Baghdad, Berlin, Brussels, Cologne/Bonn, Düsseldorf, Hambu
76 umit : Is it possible to upgrade an economy class tickets (purchased by miles) to comfort class at the airport ? TK call center does not upgrade but they hav
77 Post contains links TK787 : http://ekonomi.haberturk.com/airport...bes-sehre-daha-ucmayi-hedefliyoruz TK's Kotil on more expansion to China; -TK is flying to 3 cities in China 7
78 Post contains links leftyboarder : With what though? 737s? Although he also said TK is interested in A380 or 748I (like that is news anymore). http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...d-
79 stylo777 : he wants a lot when the day is long... PEK and PVG are currently the only ones served daily (with 77W though). CAN is seeing only 4x weekly service o
80 ASA : Just came back from BOS-IAD-DOH-DAC runs on QR. Saw TK A332s parked in Dhaka both on my arrival and departure days (early morning hours). Passenger cr
81 Post contains links TK787 : Thanks for the correction stylo. http://www.airkule.com/default.asp?page=haber&id=11920 and let's add mid-range planes to that also. Kotil is tal
82 tk388 : Hi Guys, I need some info. I am flying SYD-SIN-IST in September and need to book a domestic flight IST-ESB. How much time should I allow for the conne
83 LAXintl : Keep in mind TK also operates cargo services to China which eats up frequencies. In the state visit of Erdogan to China in April, the topic of additio
84 ankaraflyjet : Can you please advise which ariline are you flying on to IST. It is also important as to at what time you arrive to IST to see if 2 hours would work.
85 tk388 : Thanks for your response mate. The detail is much appreciated. I am flying SQ (just to fly on the A380 on the SYD-SIN leg) arriving at IST 07:45.
86 Post contains links TK1244 : Turkish Airlines transferred its 49% ownership stake to the Federation of Bosnia & Herzegovina. The Balkan adventure has (finally?) ended. Sources
87 Turkish350XWB : They bought this stake for around 6 million dollars, invested money etc. At the beginning it was a huge circus a la "we are growing and even bought a
88 HB-IWC : What is the situation of the A343 fleet? TC-JIJ has been returned to ILFC and TC-JIK seems to be in the same situation, but also TK's oldest A343 TC-J
89 TK787 : I was going to bring this up also. Very little use from the 343 fleet, after going through refurbs. To those destinations I can add, TLV, Casablanca,
90 LAXintl : Why should anyone pay? The concept and plans for B&H were good at the time. Unfortunately THY had to deal with a poor (both business and financia
91 HB-IWC : The spare A343 capacity could easily cater for at least one additional long haul destination, even more. The longhaul flying program is really restric
92 Turkish350XWB : In my opinion, predicting such kind of possibilities makes the difference between a good and a poor management... Ah ok. And which aircraft will repl
93 TK787 : Thanks for the info, Good luck to TK trying to sell -JDJ (oldest, almost 19 years old) Maybe we can expect that order "wing" was talking about last m
94 LAXintl : I dont see it that way. Lets go back to 2008. Who could have predicted, the global economic slow down, and European financial avalance? How about the
95 toxtethogrady : Any word on IST-IAH?
96 Post contains links TK773ER : No mention of TK ordering the 787 or A350 instead they want this take a look http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...jumbo-jets-on-surging-traffic.htm
97 Post contains links leftyboarder : TK plans to start EZE finally via GRU in November. April 2013 is given as start date for IST-IAH. Embraer is still being looked at as a possible suppl
98 HB-IWC : In preparation of the launch of EZE, the GRU schedule seems to have been adjusted from November onwards, and it looks like a recipe for disaster: TK0
99 StevenG : Is TK still considering to start (or resume) flights to MIA?
100 leftyboarder : For some reason IST-GRU-IST never turned out great loads so far, the best and latest numbers are 65% LF... Maybe EZE tag will fix that regardless of
101 Post contains links thomasphoto60 : Well, found this. We now have a schedule, I suppose it's just a matter of time for an official announcement is made and the flight loaded into the re
102 ju068 : I do not agree with you, Bosnia was a dysfunctional mess since it was created. Turkish Airlines should have known better that this project would fail
103 Post contains images leftyboarder : Love the starting date for the IAH flight hope it's not a joke great news!
104 TK787 : Any idea where this 77W coming from?
105 yellowtail : GRU is not the gold mine that everyone takes it out to be ....and there is a lot of competition from EU carriers. As for IAH...I wish them luck....ho
106 MaverickM11 : Wow that is a terrible schedule. That can't be right.
107 Steelyman : ISTGRU seems to be perfect since all asia banks would connect to that leg (except Tokyo) which arrive 06.00 approx. GRUIST is great as well in terms
108 TurkishWings : I do not see why this schedule is disastrous... It seems to be perfectly timed for Middle East and Asia departures and arrivals... You can even throw
109 HB-IWC : So you believe this flight will be sustained by connections to the likes of SIN, HKG and BKK and the Middle East? There's no connectivity to India, P
110 MaverickM11 : There are loads of one stops to the big destinations in Asia, via EU carriers, Asian carriers, and GCC carriers; no one in their right mind is going
111 TK787 : Can someone correct me if I am wrong but the block hours according to this will be; IST-GRU: 15:45 GRU-IST: 10:20 Something wrong with this picture.
112 Post contains images tcm : One thing is for sure, TK offers connectivity to many "unique" destinations with their extensive network. They also are very aggressive in their pric
113 stylo777 : Amadeus Flight Info says a flight time of 13:45 and 12:20 respectively. It probably has something to do with Day Light Saving Time.
114 Post contains images MaverickM11 : TK has an excellent network, far better than EY/EK/QR--that's for sure. They should take a few months to a year to make sure it works properly before
115 Post contains images ASA : Great news about the new service to IAH ... good luck to TK on the new service! for DTW and BOS next ...
116 Post contains links TK787 : 7 more routes from TK?? http://www.kap.gov.tr/yay/Bildirim/Bildirim.aspx?id=215245 Sharm El Sheikh, Niamey (Niger), Ougadougou (Burkino Faso), Hurghad
117 NuD38 : It is not possible. 4th flight of the week arrives about 10 hours later than the first flight of the week. Let's put it like this: Sunday departure 0
118 TK787 : That's what I thought. Which brings us to the point of 77W fleet utilization; If IAH requires more than one frame, it is impossible to sustain the 77
119 tcm : Having flown with Royal Air Maroc through CMN to Niamey numerous times in the past; I'm looking forward to the possibility of a direct connection. TK
120 tozbek : THY announced starting Houston flights by 1st April 2013. 4 times weekly...
121 Post contains links tozbek : Kokpit Aviation TV Program on 17th June 2012 - First commercial flight with Lufthansa's Boeing 747-8 to Washington: http://youtu.be/RYH0nIBAhxQ - Gree
122 NuD38 : It does not require. Current schedule can accommodate 3 weekly IAH flights. Indeed, combined just with NRT and HKG schedule (each require already 2 f
123 Post contains links SCL767 : TK is "negotiating" an agreement with LAN in order to sell tickets on certain flights operated by LAN: Turkish Airlines Negotiates Agreement with Chil
124 TK787 : 4 x weekly to start. I can't tell about NRT but isn't daily IST-HKG possible with one frame? (9:45 and 12:10 block hours)
125 777way : Korean Air have changed IST from 772 to A332, Asiana making similar change but with A333.
126 Post contains links SCL767 : Here is the original article from el Diario Financiero. It states that TK is waiting on government approval to operate into EZE and that its next dest
127 NuD38 : I really have to update my tables. Block hours are 10:25 and 11:20. IST-HKG-IST would be technically (and very tightly) possible with one frame. But
128 HB-IWC : The currently planned S13 B77W schedule is as follows: TK001/002 JFK - 7 weekly - block time 20:15 TK009/010 LAX - 7 weekly - block time 26:35 TK011/
129 TK787 : Thanks again for the detailed look. Last time when you posted something like this for the TK 77W fleet , average daily utilization was 12:41 hours. N
130 777way : Air Blue leasing two TK A343 in September now, initially they were due 15 June, aircraft will be in all Y config and are undergoing heavy maintainence
131 Post contains images leftyboarder : Both CCS and MEX - especially MEX - make sense as these are uncharted territory yet for mid-east airlines. GIG, GRU, EZE all been done so far. IST-ME
132 Post contains links toxtethogrady : And here's the news item: http://www.aviationpros.com/news/107...=email&utm_campaign=AVVDB120613003
133 thereandback : Has ORD been changed from A340 to A330? When I was looking at flights recently just to see where they send the A340's now ORD was no longer an A340 ro
134 LAXintl : A330/A340s are frequently swapped around. Additionally both models operate lots of European and domestic services that can change on a daily basis. Fo
135 Post contains links tcm : TK getting closer on deciding on new orders. We might see an announcement next month at Farnborough International Air Show according to the article be
136 tk388 : The A380/747 decision finally about to happen. With TK I'll believe it when I see it. We have heard all about the 787/A350 decision for years and now
137 Post contains images ASA : New orders are essential. But does TK really need "jumboes" vis-a-vis the workhorses (such as 777 or 333)? The jumboes would be ideal only for limited
138 Northstar80 : I will not comment on how fast this order will be given, I hope this time they will seriously order it as opposed to the last 5 years which we keep he
139 bahadir : Flew TK from IST to BJV on the 12th with no problems in check in or service. The whole experience was smooth as silk from getting to the airport to ge
140 Post contains images OA260 : Im hoping for a A380 order would be great to see that in the TK fleet and livery .
141 Turkish350XWB : Me as well. Even though the 747-8 is more realistic, you never can know for sure til the contracts are signed...
142 gokmengs : As most here I'll believe it when I see it when it coex to TK widebody orders. I also think the focus for TK should be 787/350/777 but I think they co
143 TK787 : Since years back I said here that 77W will be too big for TK, so what do I know???? Anyways... -I see no decisions before the airport situation is res
144 HB-IWC : I believe we are talking much faster than that, possibly as soon as next year, and then the B748i is really the only option as both the A380 and addi
145 TK787 : Maybe our Istanbul friends tell us if there is any room for 748s at IST. Can IST handle half a dozen 748s in the next 5+ years? Do you need special g
146 Flying Belgian : That was my question also: How is IST airport able to handle such a growth from TK ? Because I remember IST isn't that large airport, and lack of gat
147 Post contains links TK787 : I think at this point, everyone is talking about a new airport 100-120 million pax capacity North of the city, hopefully starting next year; http://w
148 tcm : Good to hear that you had a relatively painless trip. Also thanks for posting your story as reading about our real life experiences makes interesting
149 Post contains links abrelosojos : Hello everyone. My latest TR featuring Turkish Airlines may of interest to some. Saludos, A. Turkish TK 009: OCT/11: IST-LAX: J Cab (by abrelosojos Ju
150 Post contains images OA260 : Yes all we can do is hope Just think it would be one of the best A380 interiors if TK got them .
151 MeCe : If my memory serves correctly 208 and 226 can accommodate A380, so they can serve 748. 218 and 219 may too because there are big separation between t
152 stylo777 : IST is a CAT E airport which does NOT allow any aircraft of category F (A380). If I'm not mistaken the 748 is also classified as Cat F.
153 Post contains links and images thereandback : I was looking around TK's website because of the $525 round trip fares from JFK - IST. I thought "to the Istanbul" was bad until I read... "We are off
154 Post contains links MeCe : Yes 380 is F is and came with a special permission. 748 is a bit more complicated, it is F too but many cat E airports allow to operate 748 because i
155 bahadir : Does anyone know the UAL flight from EWR to IST will be United metal or Continental metal?
156 LAXintl : United metal. 3 class 763 to start, then switches to 2 class.
157 Post contains links TK1244 : According to Irish Sunday Business Post Turkish Airlines might be interested in Aer Lingus Source: luchtvaartnieuws.nl (Dutch)
158 tcm : Sadly they again won two "Golden Spider/Altin Örümcek" awards this year. Apart from embarrassing language issues simple tasks such as (seat selecti
159 Post contains links tcm : The people at TK and Medyasoft seem to be very proud about their website. "A Story Of Success" Video link: http://www.medyasoft.com.tr/tr/kurum...asar
160 Post contains images umit : I flew to NYC and back on 17/23 june by TK 1 and TK 2 economy here is couple of notes about my trip: 1) First time in 777 and I loved the plane .I fin
161 NuD38 : I am sure there are better explanations but simply it is the speed your plane flies in the airmass plus the speed of the airmass. Let's say when you
162 umit : thank you ... Then , what happens if the plane's ground speed exceeds speed of sound ? is it possible ? sorry if this is a damn question
163 TK787 : It is about timing. TK11 arrives late and not a soul at JFK immigration & customs at that time. About cell phone usage, as soon as you touch the
164 LAXintl : There are several reason, but they basically go back to safety, for instance by limiting ability of passengers to gain outside information, conspirin
165 777way : Air France ending their four weekly Marseilles-IST service from October according to airlineroute site.
166 Post contains links TK787 : Please continue here: Turkish Aviation July 2012 (by TK787 Jun 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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