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User currently offlinePelle From Denmark, joined Apr 2012, 64 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18981 times:

Dear a.netters,

My apologies if a similar topic has already been posted - I couldn't find anything here or on Google.

I recently flew 5 fligts on Air Canda/SAS, and on all flights pax were told that only earbud-style headphones were allowed (at least during take-off & landing, iirc).

Why is this?


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User currently offlinepygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 968 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18934 times:

Passengers need to be able to hear safety messages in case of an incident during the more critical take off or landing phase. I am actually surprised they allow ear buds.

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1445 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18851 times:

BA is about to trial a range of earbud style earphones so that it can get clearance to operate gate2gate IFE. You will be able to watch a movie from when you sit down to when you get off however only if you use the BA provided earphones.

Not sure how this will work in premium cabins where passengers get noise cancelling ones though!



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5198 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18659 times:

I loathe earbuds, prefer the old fashioned muff style.


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User currently offlinePelle From Denmark, joined Apr 2012, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18573 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 2):
BA is about to trial a range of earbud style earphones so that it can get clearance to operate gate2gate IFE. You will be able to watch a movie from when you sit down to when you get off however only if you use the BA provided earphones.

Interesting, but have you got any idea why earbud-headphones are OK and over-the-ear-types aren't?



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18503 times:

Quoting Pelle (Reply 4):
Quoting tonystan (Reply 2):
BA is about to trial a range of earbud style earphones so that it can get clearance to operate gate2gate IFE. You will be able to watch a movie from when you sit down to when you get off however only if you use the BA provided earphones.

Interesting, but have you got any idea why earbud-headphones are OK and over-the-ear-types aren't?

Your question was answered in Reply 1. In emergency situations, electrical power may fail and cabin crew may have to call out evacuation instructions. You're less likely to hear such announcements with over-the-ear type headphones.


User currently onlineseansasLCY From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 890 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18492 times:

On recent flights with both Virgin Australia and Oman Air, all announcements made simply stopped the IFE and it was all you could hear. On a lot of carriers now the safety demonstration is a video so better headphones would mean more people would hear it.

User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18380 times:

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 6):
On recent flights with both Virgin Australia and Oman Air, all announcements made simply stopped the IFE and it was all you could hear. On a lot of carriers now the safety demonstration is a video so better headphones would mean more people would hear it.

Same with AV. EVERY announcement overrides the IFE, a bit annoying when they just start talking about anything but important issues.



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User currently offlineGolfBravoRomeo From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18293 times:

Noise canceling headphones, like other electronic devices, need to be turned off.

User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5739 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18137 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 3):
I loathe earbuds, prefer the old fashioned muff style.

I am fine with earbuds, I have a good pair, but yes the over-the-ear (not on-the ear) are vastly more comfortable to me. They only problem I have with them is that I can't turn my head when I lay back, so ear buds work best then.

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 6):
all announcements made simply stopped the IFE and it was all you could hear. On a lot of carriers now the safety demonstration is a video so better headphones would mean more people would hear it.

Actually I have a big problem with the volume they pump the announcements up to over the headphones. It practically blows my ear drums out, it is painful and I have to unplug the headphones from the IFE.

Tugg



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User currently offlinekcljj From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2012, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18139 times:

Hmm, if by earbud design, they mean the white ipod ones, then I guess that makes sense.I see the logic but to be honest; I know that many people have invested in what are known as IEM (in ear monitor) earphones which basically blocks out a lot of the external noise minus without the need for active noise cancellation. When I have my set of Comply foam tips on, I can barely hear the outside world and I hear nothing when I have music on.
However, I have found that active noise cancellation does not block speech and open-backed design headphones leak sound out and also let it in. Basically, I am less likely to hear any announcement with my earphones then headphones. Which seems to defeat the point of implementing the rule.
The only advantage that earphones have is that they can be pulled out in an instant and they are also very light.


User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17941 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Your question was answered in Reply 1. In emergency situations, electrical power may fail and cabin crew may have to call out evacuation instructions. You're less likely to hear such announcements with over-the-ear type headphones

That makes absolutely no sense ( not your pst but the reason they are using).

Earbuds fit into the canal of the ear (unless they arethe very cheap kind) and are typically more soundproofing than over the ear headphones.

I wear my ear buds with my iPhone listening to music while riding the tractor cutting grass and only have the volume on med-low and don't hear the tractor at all.

I also wear them as the only protection while flying on our Fairchild C-123K Provider which is powered by two PW R-2800 radial engines and I sit right next to the prop/exhaust and only faintly hear them. Mind you, there is absolutely no insulation in the plane.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17871 times:

I believe another reason may be that some over-the-ear headphones are quite large, and in the event of an emergency, if they fell on the floor they would be more likely to cause passengers to trip over them during evacuation than the small earbud headphones.

User currently offlinealevik From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 1062 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17675 times:
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In Canada, both Westjet and Air Canada state that only ear-bud style earphones connected into the aircraft's entertainment system can be used during take-off and landing and taxi. The part about the aircraft system is important and relates to hearing messages from the crew in event of emergency.

The ear bud style also do not form a closed loop that could snag or delay evacuation.



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5132 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17519 times:

Quoting alevik (Reply 13):
The ear bud style also do not form a closed loop that could snag or delay evacuation.

This is the big point. They can be removed quickly, and if caught on something, they will not hinder you.



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User currently offlinePelle From Denmark, joined Apr 2012, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17363 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 14):
Quoting alevik (Reply 13):
The ear bud style also do not form a closed loop that could snag or delay evacuation.

This is the big point. They can be removed quickly, and if caught on something, they will not hinder you.

Makes sense. On the 4 Air Canada legs i flew, ALL announcements were made over the IFE.



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User currently offlineflyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17026 times:

I think this whole thing is a crock. I use Bose noice cancelling and I can hear announcements just fine. A lot of times I put them on as soon as I sit down, without powering them on, just to cut the volume on the announcements. They have the volume on the PA cranked up so high to overcome the talking that it hurts.

Mike


User currently offlineLXa332 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16814 times:

Quoting seansasLCY (Reply 6):

On recent flights with both Virgin Australia and Oman Air, all announcements made simply stopped the IFE and it was all you could hear.

DL does this too. On a/c with personal IFE, there's also a message that pops up, "Flight Crew Announcement"


User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5132 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16540 times:

Quoting Pelle (Reply 15):
Makes sense. On the 4 Air Canada legs i flew, ALL announcements were made over the IFE.

And the PA as well, you probably just didn't notice.

Quoting flyabunch (Reply 16):
I think this whole thing is a crock. I use Bose noise cancelling and I can hear announcements just fine.

As I said, the issue is not about whether you can hear announcements, it is about the design of the headset itself. Ear-bud headsets are usually a Y with the attachment in front of you. If you had to remove them in a hurry you could. Or if you fell asleep, and just ran for an exit without removing them, you'd leave them attached to your seat.

It would be a shame to be found 8 feet from a usable exit, succumbed to smoke inhalation, tangled up in your noise cancelling headset!



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4320 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15927 times:
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Quoting flyabunch (Reply 16):
I think this whole thing is a crock. I use Bose noice cancelling and I can hear announcements just fine. A lot of times I put them on as soon as I sit down, without powering them on, just to cut the volume on the announcements. They have the volume on the PA cranked up so high to overcome the talking that it hurts.

I use earbuds (*very* expensive Audio-Technica earbuds, mind you) and am inclined to agree with you. On most transcon sUA flights you have company-provided earphones in your seat pocket. On most sCO flights you pick up a pair of free earbuds as you board the plane. But these are two divisions of the *same* airline.

I remember the days when you used to have to buy earphones on the plane because (1) they used some kind of freaky two-pronged plug receptacle or (2) used an air-driven sound system with the speaker actually in your seat chair-arm. I remember TWA charged $5 for theirs way back in the 90s.

I suspect we're going back to the proprietary plugs that you can only purchase on the plane -- perhaps a new type of sound system with which you can't use an adapter and your own earphones.

Using this logic, IFE will become a revenue generator.

[Edited 2012-06-01 14:43:12]

User currently offlineflyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15631 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 18):
As I said, the issue is not about whether you can hear announcements, it is about the design of the headset itself. Ear-bud headsets are usually a Y with the attachment in front of you. If you had to remove them in a hurry you could. Or if you fell asleep, and just ran for an exit without removing them, you'd leave them attached to your seat.

It would be a shame to be found 8 feet from a usable exit, succumbed to smoke inhalation, tangled up in your noise cancelling headset!

I understand your point but I really don't think that my headset would be a hinderance to evac. First, most of the time I put them on without the cord until airborne and allowed to turn on my "approved electronic device" (IPOD). So there is nothing to get caught.

And, throwing them off, even with the cord, would cause no more of a tangle problem then would buds. I have tried them too and did not like them in my ears. I have tried at least six kinds and I still go back to the over ear. I could ditch them in a heartbeat if there was a need.

mike


User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15385 times:

Quoting LXa332 (Reply 17):
On recent flights with both Virgin Australia and Oman Air, all announcements made simply stopped the IFE and it was all you could hear.
Quoting LXa332 (Reply 17):
DL does this too. On a/c with personal IFE, there's also a message that pops up, "Flight Crew Announcement"

What if there is a power failure and all the crew can do is just speak out any indications? No IFE. And before I get crucified on "if there was a power failure I´d take my headphones off¨" remember stupid people are everywhere and this measures are meant to be foolproof


User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5132 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14916 times:

Quoting flyabunch (Reply 20):
I understand your point but I really don't think that my headset would be a hinderance to evac.

Understand though, that airline safety is a matrix of "what ifs" and "really don't think" just doesn't cut it. In fact, it has only been the advent of ear-bud headsets that even allowed them to be used during take-off and landing in the first place.

As we all know, airline safety is made up of thousands of rules. Most make sense, some do not. And while you very well may be able to evacuate wearing a noise canceling headset, if there is even a remote chance that some could not ... then it wont be allowed. Remember, this is the transportation medium that shows everyone how to use a seat belt before even moving!



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User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14782 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 14):
Quoting alevik (Reply 13):
The ear bud style also do not form a closed loop that could snag or delay evacuation.

This is the big point. They can be removed quickly, and if caught on something, they will not hinder you.

I was on an AC flight last year and someone asked why they could only use ear-buds during take off. The cabin crew member told them that it was because of evacuation rules. As longhauler has pointed out they won't hinder you much if they are all over the floor and the point is to keep the area as free from as many things as you can so that in an emergency everyone can get out fast.

Quoting flyabunch (Reply 20):
I understand your point but I really don't think that my headset would be a hinderance to evac.

You don't think so, but apparently Transport Canada thinks it would be.



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User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14375 times:

Doesn't the IFE cut out during announcements???


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25 flyabunch : I do understand your point. I fly over 100 flights a year and i do get a bit jaded about some of the rules. I understand that they have to be written
26 ikramerica : This is the reason. It's a stupid reason, as NCHs don't create interference, but that's the problem with rules. They must be followed without questio
27 Chinook747 : On AC the earbuds only apply during take off and landing. You are more than welcome to use your over the ear headphones during inflight operations. AC
28 skyhawkmatthew : That's something I've always found quite weird: Qantas' premium classes get noise-cancelling headphones provided - and they are allowed and continue
29 2175301 : I have yet to find a reasonably priced set of ear-buds that fit my ears; so I cannot use common ear-buds. I recall from my safety days that when provi
30 jwhite9185 : Another point thats not been raised here... Hopefully you get to keep the earphones and they don't collect them in at the end of the flight like they
31 777klm : Quote from the QF website: "Personal headsets connected to the inflight entertainment system, including those with noise cancelling ability, can be u
32 warden145 : FWIW the BA flights I've been on had the flight announcements coming over the IFE system as well as a PA, but the PA was so quiet that I couldn't hea
33 Post contains images skyhawkmatthew : Ah, cool, makes sense. My confusion was coming from the majority of my QF flights being on Dash 8s (without an on-board entertainment system) where t
34 Mir : I would say the opposite. Headphones can just be slapped off, whereas earphones have to be removed from each ear individually. -Mir
35 Pelle : Yes, at least on all the the flights with IFE that I've been on. As mentioned earlier in this thread, any video/etc you are watching will be paused w
36 Post contains images lightsaber : This again gets into electronics have to be PROVEN to be safe. It isn't a question of 'who has the noise cancellation killed,' it is spending the mone
37 longhauler : The issue is not with the Noise Cancelling part, but with the wire layout, and quick removal. Ear-bud headsets can be quickly (albeit painfully) remo
38 Mir : As can regular headphones, except that they require one motion instead of two. -Mir
39 longhauler : Again, not if there is a bayonet over your head, or wires behind your neck. Or worse, if you are turning while leaving your seat in an evacuation, th
40 Mir : Wires behind your neck I can see, but that's not going to be the case with regular (not behind the head) headphones. There, we'll just have to disagr
41 longhauler : Oh I don't disagree, these are just the rules, and they must be followed. As I stated above, I don't doubt the average person can get out of his nois
42 aircanada014 : You can still hear announcement on your headset as well
43 OB1504 : In the debate versus in-ear and over-the-ear headphones, I think we're missing the larger point that, regardless, they must be plugged into the aircr
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