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UA 787 Route Speculation...  
User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15420 times:

With IAH-AKL apparently being shelved...where will those 787 frames go? As I surmised and was confirmed in the thread
UA To Cancel IAH Auckland Service? (by etops1 May 30 2012 in Civil Aviation) DEN-NRT was planned before the WN @ HOU debacle. That means those 787 frames that were earmaked for IAH-AKL are now planned for elsewhere...
The credible information so far.
- IAH is currently the only crew base
- DEN-NRT is to be piloted by IAH based flight crew and DEN based FAs. Which means the aircraft will probably route via IAH at some point as evidence by the schedule of DEN-NRT-DEN. It looks like there will probably be a domestic turn to IAH from DEN.
- The start date of DEN-NRT is in the spring, a point when there will be more than the 5 original 787s on property.
- The 787 will do proving runs ex-IAH. With a EWR-IAH-LAX-IAH-MCO-EWR type of situation being floated around for 6-8 weeks or so.
- 787s should be on property at some point between Aug and Nov.

My guess is IAH-PEK or PVG. There was an a.net thread a while back that mentioned IAH-AMS was due to go 787 at some point.

Thoughts a.net?


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User currently offline96texan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15416 times:

I would think UA would try a couple of Asian destinations from IAH such as PEK, PVG, ICN or even SGN. I think we'll see some South American routes as well including GRU, EZE and maybe SCL. Obviously IAH-LOS will be eventually served on the 787 and I think IAH-AMS and/or CDG will happen as well. It'll be interesting to see what UA announces for the 787 routes in the coming months.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7615 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15312 times:

If UA is intent on punishing IAH for this whole tantrum about WN, I would think it would be a while before announcing a new route. But, IAH can definately support one more flight to Asia. That would definately best be served to PVG or PEK. Both are sizeable markets from IAH and would not be hard to fill with good yielding traffic.

I dont see ICN as almost all the O&D from Texas to Korea is in North Texas not South Texas. They do have the OZ to partner with, but it would not be the best investment to try to capture lower yielding connecting traffic.

Quoting 96texan (Reply 1):
I would think UA would try a couple of Asian destinations from IAH such as PEK, PVG, ICN or even SGN.

SGN doesnt even work from LAX or SFO which have larger O&D's. Starting IAH-SGN would be akin to going to a 5 star steak house and salivating over the contents of the dumpster behind the steak house.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15272 times:

EWR-ICN
EWR-Bangalore
EWR-Chennai
EWR-Hyderabad



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User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15176 times:

Most mentioned here are new routes, except the AMS point above.

I would not count out a redeployment onto an existing route that could make it a better product to win. Such as something like GRU or GIG.
That would free up planes to do other routes mentioned above.

I would not discount a ORD or SFO route like (maybe I can say I have not even researched to say these are within the capabilities of the 787)
SFO-AKL
SFO-CAN


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Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15177 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):

EWR-ICN

Strongly favored.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
EWR-Bangalore
EWR-Chennai
EWR-Hyderabad

I'm leaning towards SFO-DEL / SFO-BOM / SFO-MEL / EWR-GIG / IAH-SCL before these 3 to occur.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15156 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):

EWR-ICN
EWR-Bangalore
EWR-Chennai
EWR-Hyderabad

A little iffy given the cost of fuel right now. I think UA will play it safe for now:

IAH-LAX
EWR-MCO
EWR-IAH
ORD-DEN
IAH-DEN
DEN-SFO
LAX/SFO-SYD
IAH-NRT
EWR-LHR
EWR-GRU
ORD-LHR
ORD-FRA
IAD-DXB

Eventually:
SFO-CAN
SFO-AKL



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15140 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5):
I'm leaning towards SFO-DEL / SFO-BOM / SFO-MEL / EWR-GIG / IAH-SCL before these 3 to occur.

Before the merger CO's Vice President stated they would launch Bangalore, Chennai and Hyderabad from EWR with the 787s. I know things have changed, but the question is what would be a better route EWR-Bangalore or SFO-DEL/BOM. New Jersey's Indian population is huge, which is why there are three airlines with four daily flights to India from EWR.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1155 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15121 times:

I know the Eurozone is still generally weak, but I will speculate and say ORD or EWR-VIE

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15113 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 6):
IAH-NRT

As a 2nd frequency or replacing the 777? I think that IAH-NRT would go 3-class 777 or 744 before downgrading, I think it has healthy loads.

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 4):
I would not count out a redeployment onto an existing route that could make it a better product to win. Such as something like GRU or GIG.
That would free up planes to do other routes mentioned above.

Well, sUA is opening a 756 base at IAH for the September onward schedule - I'd think that is signalling increased 763 flying to take over for the 762s and S.America flying. I could see EZE/CDG/GRU going 763 before placing the 787 there.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15051 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
I know things have changed, but the question is what would be a better route EWR-Bangalore or SFO-DEL/BOM. New Jersey's Indian population is huge, which is why there are three airlines with four daily flights to India from EWR.

CO also bragged about IAH-AKL and look what happened with that...

The India routes seem to be better suited with more Y than F seats. Indian population in NJ is high no doubt, so it's mainly people going home to visit family. 787 might not be the best for these missions and I don't think the new UA is going to take the risk to dive into any of the cities mentioned.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15046 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 10):
CO also bragged about IAH-AKL and look what happened with that...

The India routes seem to be better suited with more Y than F seats. Indian population in NJ is high no doubt, so it's mainly people going home to visit family. 787 might not be the best for these missions and I don't think the new UA is going to take the risk to dive into any of the cities mentioned.

I agree, I think that they will start India with the 787, just not so sure its very high on the list right now. In the new UA system there are a lot of more profitable city pairs.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15022 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 11):

True that. Also in response to the IAH-NRT comment, I think it's possible to have two frequencies on the route.

Maybe a few Euro routes that are currently 2x 757 out of EWR as well: EWR-MAD/AMS/CDG or something like that.



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User currently offlineSATexan From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14935 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
I know things have changed, but the question is what would be a better route EWR-Bangalore or SFO-DEL/BOM

IMHO, if UA decides to add another India route it should be EWR-BLR. There is way too much IT traffic from USA to BLR that this route can take advantage of.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 10):
Indian population in NJ is high no doubt, so it's mainly people going home to visit family

Passengers going to BLR for an overwhelming part have some IT connection - Short term projects, on-site client visits, quick business/meetings, off shore location visits etc. Do not underestmate the Technology traffic as virtually every major IT company and even non IT companies in USA has some kind of presence in BLR. It is honestly a no brainer for UA to serve EWR-BLR or SFO-BLR


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 14793 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Thread starter):
My guess is IAH-PEK or PVG. There was an a.net thread a while back that mentioned IAH-AMS was due to go 787 at some point.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
EWR-ICN
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 6):
IAH-NRT
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 6):
ORD-DEN
IAH-DEN
DEN-SFO

I see all of these happening.
You could also possibly add SFO-some mainland China airport that doesn't see much service. (I'm thinking Wuhan at this point)



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User currently onlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8376 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14591 times:

EWR-India makes a lot of sense, IMO. I would love a *A option that lets me avoid changing planes in Europe at some god-awful middle of the night (for me) time.

User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14564 times:
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I think UA will first bring the 787's onto existing routes where demand isn't quite high enough for a 777 and/or it will ensure a nice cost savings.

They will also (I think) use these bird on some existing TATL routes, especially where they can leverage the larger cargo bays than the 757.

After that, their expansion plans should turn mostly to Asia since that is where the most near term economic growth will occur. I think this will eventually entail a crew base either at EWR or SFO for the 787's. I expect the 789's to be based at SFO given they're slated to replace the 744's.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16870 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14564 times:

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 16):
I expect the 789's to be based at SFO given they're slated to replace the 744's.

I think your confusing them with the A350s, PMCO ordered the 789s and they were not replacing anything. PMUA stated their A350s are to replace their 744s.



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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 14515 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 17):
I think your confusing them with the A350s, PMCO ordered the 789s and they were not replacing anything. PMUA stated their A350s are to replace their 744s.

Ooops, you are spot on, that was a miscue on my part. I do think we'll see quite a bit of optioning by UA for the 789's once they get their first 20 or so 788's. Given there are 50 frames on firm order, that should be a given considering the economics of the 789.


User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 14473 times:

Quoting 96texan (Reply 1):
I would think UA would try a couple of Asian destinations from IAH such as PEK, PVG, ICN or even SGN.

PEK, PVG and ICN can not maintain year round 747 daily service to SFO. If they don't have the capacity to keep SFO full, I can't imagine further compromising the SFO flights with an additional IAH flight makes sense. IAH has virtually no feed to Asia that is not covered elsewhere in the network other than the rural south which doesn't really count.

ICN could be an oddball since it has maintained SFO-ICN and NRT-ICN.

Quoting drerx7 (Thread starter):
- DEN-NRT is to be piloted by IAH based flight crew and DEN based FAs. Which means the aircraft will probably route via IAH at some point as evidence by the schedule of DEN-NRT-DEN. It looks like there will probably be a domestic turn to IAH from DEN.

UA in the past has dead headed crews. I don't think it is a given that IAH-DEN would get a 787. However the 787 would have to touch DEN or NRT in the network for fleet rotations.

LAX-SYD sometimes involves deadheading pilots from SFO. IAD routes on the 747 (such as when IAD-PEK was a 747) involved deadheading pilots from ORD.



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 14421 times:

Quoting 96texan (Reply 1):
I would think UA would try a couple of Asian destinations from IAH such as PEK, PVG, ICN or even SGN. I think we'll see some South American routes as well including GRU, EZE and maybe SCL. Obviously IAH-LOS will be eventually served on the 787 and I think IAH-AMS and/or CDG will happen as well. It'll be interesting to see what UA announces for the 787 routes in the coming months.

Asian destinations to IAH make no sense at all given the rest of their network. There are a lot of better places to go first.

Also, there's insufficient range for SGN.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 12):
True that. Also in response to the IAH-NRT comment, I think it's possible to have two frequencies on the route.

For someone that seems to prefer gauge, that's a silly statement.

There are many other, better destinations to serve first.

NS


User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14273 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 19):
UA in the past has dead headed crews. I don't think it is a given that IAH-DEN would get a 787. However the 787 would have to touch DEN or NRT in the network for fleet rotations.

Could we see something like IAH-NRT-DEN-NRT-IAH?



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User currently offlineairfrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14277 times:

I've heard rumours that a second 787 route may be heading DEN's way. UA has had a huge problem throwing a competitive offering to BA and LH in DEN. DEN-LHR may come back, but using the smaller plane.

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14218 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
You could also possibly add SFO-some mainland China airport that doesn't see much service. (I'm thinking Wuhan at this point)

I think Guangzhou would be more likely.

NS


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14210 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 19):
I don't think it is a given that IAH-DEN would get a 787. However the 787 would have to touch DEN or NRT in the network for fleet rotations.

The only other way with such limited birds and IAH being the only 787 base in the cards right now is for them to open DEN-LHR with the 787 - which is a possibility.

Quoting warden145 (Reply 21):
Could we see something like IAH-NRT-DEN-NRT-IAH?

That's what I think will happen, at least until more planes come online.



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25 gigneil : They could easily open a 787 base elsewhere before then. NS
26 AADC10 : UA's strategy was presented as using the 787 to downguage some international routes in the off season. Northern hemisphere routes would be larger airc
27 drerx7 : True, I suppose...what all goes into setting up a base for a new type? Would it be worth the logistics? Also is DEN high yielding enough to make it t
28 SonomaFlyer : This makes the most sense given the economy overall. The 787's initially could up gauge some of the 757 routes in the summer and go elsewhere in the
29 flylku : All other factors not withstanding, I would put it on the the longest thinnest route for which the 777 is too large.
30 jfk777 : Newark & Chicago to LHR to replace the 757 and 763ER's.
31 gigneil : Those routes are well served by the 763s right now. The 787 will be for longer routes at first. NS
32 kgaiflyer : Last time I was in the Sunnyvale-Santa Clara-San Jose region, the whole area seemed to have shifted South Indian. I can see a reason for flights from
33 point2point : I would imagine the yields will be determined as to where the 787 flights to/from DEN are. Tokyo by itself certainly will have its own premium traffi
34 gigneil : I think a 2-class 787 to LHR is definitely a winner. NS
35 usairways85 : I really think outside of DEN-NRT and IAH-LOS we will probably see them use the 787 to rightsize existing markets. I do not think they will add a ton
36 SonomaFlyer : SFO to DEL is 7706mi SFO to BOM is 8406mi this from gcmap.com Delhi is reachable but I think BOM would incur weight penalties. IIRC the tech sector f
37 LAXdude1023 : Bangalore and Hyderabad are the tech centers. I know that for the longest time Kingfisher wanted to fly SFO-BLR on a 345. Of course, it never happene
38 PHX787 : I could see that routing happen. It sounds quite feasable. That's what I'm thinking too. Here's a thought: What about any routes intra-Asia from NRT?
39 SonomaFlyer : From speaking to folks who travel to India from this area (SFO) on business, the EK service is VERY popular. BA of course is still popular and from h
40 HOONS90 : SFO-ICN has always been a daily 747 since May of 2010 without any variation in frequency or aircraft type since then.
41 Post contains images warden145 : Agreed, and I also see people going to India on SQ, LH, and (to a lesser degree) CX out of SFO. This is mostly business travel getting to the informa
42 airfrnt : I doubt MUC, just because LH already has a lot of that traffic, and the alliance factor kicks in. I think that UA would love to kick BA off of the al
43 strfyr51 : Denver- Narita ( TOKYO) , Denver-London, Denver Frankfurt , Denver- Paris CDG.. Denver Bejing! That's where I'd fly the 787's and if they pan out ther
44 Post contains images fxramper : The route manager I talked too at EWR said we will get the 747 & 787 next year.
45 ZKOJH : Cant see them going for SFO-AKL all ready well served by NZ with 772 and 744 and will get the 787 later on , after the Huston CAX NZ aren't going play
46 CALMSP : whats a route manager?
47 FlyingSicilian : Well Houston - Lagos is supposed to go 787 IAH-AMS was mentioned EWR-LHR maybe on one of the 757 routes? Weren't the 757s "placedholders" in a way for
48 fxramper : No clue. He was the lazy employee on my flight to GVA the other day that was just talking to myself and the other global service member that was pre
49 FSDan : I think the following are all possibilities: IAH-LOS: announced DEN-NRT: announced Existing Routes LAX-PVG ORD-GRU ORD-LHR EWR-LHR IAD-DXB New Routes
50 RWA380 : I thought UA wasn't going to fly more routes to IAH, because WN is going to fly to CUN, MBJ and SXM from HOU? CAN yes, AKL no! We need to forget abou
51 fun2fly : At least that is what CO said (Compton?) 5 years ago. Who knows now? Assuming the 763 conversions take the place of the 762 exits, we have 4 extra 76
52 Post contains images airbazar : So was IAH-AKL. I'm not seeing that happen either. I'll believe it when I see it. I think those 2 routes made sense for CO but don't necessarily fit
53 drerx7 : You mean you are not seeing the route go 787? You are aware that IAH-LOS is operating currently with a not-so-optimal 777?
54 N93109 : No offense to Denver, Houston or Chicago, but I would imagine the very first inaugural flight would be more prestigious to help United build/recover t
55 VC10er : I would think they would consider high premium destinations. Given most pax in Business are paying top prices to attend to business trips, and the 787
56 Post contains links and images brushpilot : LAX, maybe one of the first gateways for the first routes...
57 drerx7 : Well, the inaugural routes will be domestic and its all but confirmed that it will be a EWR-IAH-LAX-IAH-MCO-EWR type of routings.
58 klwright69 : I absolutely do not see IAH-PVG or PEK coming anytime soon. I know DL has struggled with ATL to China routes. I remember hearing that the USA-China ma
59 nuggetsyl : Here is my guess SFO - TVL LAX - TVL
60 usairways85 : Honestly though, for frequent fliers like myself I really could care less about the "inaugural flight" only where they ultimately fly it on a regular
61 jporterfi : Can UA get the capacity to make it profitable to operate the 787 on this route without reducing frequency on the route? I would think that they could
62 United787 : What about ORD-ICN? I always thought this was a missing link with large feed on both ends!
63 jporterfi : KE and OZ (which, like UA, is a Star Alliance member) already provide a lot of capacity for this route. KE flies a daily 772 on the route while OZ fli
64 Bananaboy : Other way round I think. OZ doesn't have any of the stretched 777's. Mark
65 jporterfi : You're right. I misread my information. KE operates the 77W on the route while OZ operates the 772.[Edited 2012-06-03 00:49:37]
66 Post contains links yeogeo : Not to nitpick but... The current ORD-ICN flights are as follows (June 19 schedules): 5693nm ICN-ORD Asiana 777x4 / Korean 77Wx7 So, only KE is daily
67 United787 : I would think OZ and UA could share this major *Alliance hub to hub to route as so many other routes are shared between partners, a 787 would be the r
68 yeogeo : Perhaps in time, but I can't help but think there would be many other more pressing needs for the new a/c in UA's hands. I agree LAX-HKG is a glaring
69 airbazar : Yes, I mean it will not go to 787. Define "not-so-optimal". The route is hugely profitale and IAH-LOS has big cargo demand from the energy industry.
70 drerx7 : Well, its highly seasonal, for the summer it goes daily then back to 5x weekly then daily for Christmas holidays. I know its a large demand and can b
71 sshank : In my opinion BLR would ideally be served from NRT. A NRT-BLR flight would consolidate traffic from SEA, SFO and LAX and would provide some competiti
72 MCOGVADCA : Eh, Wuhan's intercontinental demand is to PAR, not USA. If UA don't think they can make CAN work, where there actually is substantial O&D demand
73 Post contains images PHX787 : Hm--- ressurrect the round-the-world flight → SFO-NRT-BLR-EWR-SFO
74 klwright69 : Check the online timetable... IAH-LOS is daily in 2013. I started a thread on this point, but it was hijacked and locked. Also, on a side note, UA we
75 CALMSP : most likely due to having to search for a bag that was for a pax who never showed.
76 mogandoCI : The craziest is 3 star alliance carriers competing with each other on SFO-ICN since no one has JV with each other (there's also NRT-SIN, but UA's 777
77 mbm3 : Here are some interesting notions from my armchair: SFO-DEL EWR-ADD EWR-ICN EWR-CPT SFO-TLV
78 tommy767 : Would love to see this one. Can the 787 make it? Might need to use a 744 for a route like this.
79 mbm3 : According to GC Mapper, it is just over 7800 miles which is about 400 miles longer than IAH-AKL. Less ETOPS issues but I am unsure about prevailing w
80 mogandoCI : considering the 77E can handle EWR-HKG at 8065sm year around, the 788 *can* do EWR-CPT, but 787-9 is probably more optimal
81 greenair727 : A few from CLE as well: CLE-FRA (or perhaps winter only, with a 757 in summer months) CLE-AUH CLE-GRU
82 Post contains images laca773 : {Checkmark} ! Someone was mentioning in another thread about CZ starting A380 service to LAX. As it is, they have a hard time with the 77Es they fly
83 drerx7 : EWR-IAH-LAX-IAH-MCO-EWR rotations and variations of...of course they probably will through some IAH/LAX-DEN rotations in.
84 RWA380 : I would think EWR-JNB would be a better route in terms of economics, but it would be cool to see both, or even a triangle routing. Didn't SAA operate
85 klwright69 : I agree. I know EY dropped Cape Town.
86 toxtethogrady : Frankly, I think Smisek has screwed the pooch with his petulant response to the Hobby international facility. So there will probably be ongoing skirmi
87 tommy767 : Actually come to think of it JNB might be better served from IAD with the 787
88 toxtethogrady : I agree, which would be more evidence that Smisek is determined to kill off the Golden Goose for his own petty, selfish reasons. Not that he ever kne
89 toxtethogrady : As much as United and Continental have been trying to drive the "feed" traffic out of their hubs to make room for more money-making O&D, they mig
90 LAXdude1023 : I dont its all because of KE being here. DFW had closer ties to Korea before that flight started than did Houston. The Korean community here is also
91 kgaiflyer : Unless everybody inside the airport is a connecting passenger with no dog in the fight (and thus no opinion on the matter) where are you seeing this?
92 Post contains images FlyingSicilian : Ironic since the South Korean Consulate is in Houston though their chamber is in Dallas (I've had need to work with both). I'd hazard a guess IAH-Chi
93 LAXdude1023 : Absolutely. I think IAH-China would work and work well. The inverse is true in that most of the Texas-China ties are in the Houston area. I dont thin
94 CALMSP : it could work very nicely...............you'd be surprised at the volumes of pax that connect on west coast flights to ICN. Possibility of capturing
95 mogandoCI : Agreed. For one of the largest on earth, growing, vibrant, economically strong, and geographically desirable city/hub that is ICN, UA is serving it r
96 drerx7 : Well, its not readily quantifiable. More 'windtalk' per se. I know myself and several other Houstonians that I know that were once loyal to the brand
97 LAXdude1023 : Why serve a 25-30 PDEW market when you can serve a 60 PDEW market with a hub on the other end as well? I feel confident going on record and saying th
98 CALMSP : I'm not speaking on behalf of any revenue insight, but pax numbers only when you look at IAH-LAX/SFO/SEA.
99 toxtethogrady : The message boards associated with the Houston Chronicle. And I have family members who will choose Southwest over United due to fares.
100 eastern023 : I thought SCL was high on their list (not necessarily with a 787) is this service to start this year or was it bagged ala AKL?
101 toxtethogrady : Not as long as Smisek's in a snit. It needs to go to LAN.
102 eastern023 : I don't think LAN is interested in IAH-SCL. Maybe IAD, but from LIM (The eternal rumor) Rudy from IAD
103 toxtethogrady : LAN was doing cargo out of IAH for a while. Pair that up with enough business flyers and that would support the route.
104 Post contains images YoungDon : Yep, this is true. My parents met in the 80's while working for Continental and though neither of them still work for the carrier, they keep signific
105 mogandoCI : China Airlines does cargo to AUH, LUX, and MEM too, which has little (if any) correlation to pax demand.
106 eastern023 : If LAN was going to fly to Texas, would defenetely go for DFW rather than IAH (all hypothetically) then why go to DFW if AA covers LatinAm well as it
107 IADLHR : It occupies so mnany minds because, I think, a number of people are quite surprised that UA hasnt been able to make DEN-LHR work despite DEN being a
108 SonomaFlyer : I think we need to look what passengers are attracted to change planes at DEN as opposed to elsewhere. I'm thinking this hub is one of the smallest i
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