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Should DL Start JFK-DEL Nonstop?  
User currently offlineTOMASKEMPNER From Mexico, joined May 2001, 389 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

I know that DELTA has the authority to fly to Delhi, India, like about a year ago, but they have not done it, because they can not find a decent time slot at FRA.

So in my opinion , DL should open a nonstop JFK-DEL 777 service. If UA is doing it from ORD, I think that DL would succeed in this route, also they have a large hub at JFK that could feed well the flight.

Also they will use 777-200 which is not as expensive as the 747-400 that UA will use. The problem here is that I do not beleive they have the authority to use the polar route, and I have been told that it is difficult to get this authority.

GO DL.

*** If DL opens this routes, they should improve their coach seats, very uncomfortable for a 14 hour flight, and if they get the polar route, I know they will open their dreamed JFK-PEK-SHA route, but they should try. There is a large Indian community in NYC that would use the flight



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User currently offlineAiric From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

I'm sure all airlines will be looking into United to see how the nonstop ORD-DEL goes. If it fails, people will have to go through London or Hong KOng, but if it succeeds and does really well, I'm sure Delta and probably Northwest wil definetly look think about this one.

User currently offlineSallyNip From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

DL has a lot of route authorities that people may not be aware of because of their purchase of the ORIGINAL PanAm. DL would be a much more powerful airline if it were financially wise to fly ALL of their routes authorized. The Indian travel market is very favorable.

User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

DL can't get rights to JFK-PEK-Shanghai because of the US-China negotiations.

and in a simple answer as whether they should operate JFK-DEL:

No.

Too little hubbing at NY airports. CO would be the better bet for EWR-DEL.

The Coachman



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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

The Coachman:
Surely the BOM flights don't pick up that much traffic in FRA? What difference would it make flying nonstop?


User currently offlineJessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Actually the JFK FRA BOM flight picks up passengers from 2 ATL and one CVG flight, oftentimes enough to pick up another 100 or so.

User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1364 times:

but couldn't those pax be funneled thru JFK on a nonstop flight - or are the ATL / CVG - FRA flights dependent upon them?!

User currently offlineJessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1349 times:

It has to do with DL route structure, and our market share. IF the same number of people just traveling from NYC to India were to fly nonstop from JFK instead of stopping in FRA the India flight would not survive. Even factoring in a good number of people who would take DL because it was nonstop the low yield nature of the market would still kill the flight. So as is the flight from JFK to FRA could stand on its own, delta has a good presense for going from NYC to Europe and at least an equal number of people on the delta flight are getting off in FRA to go to wherever, so if there were no feed from ATL/CVG I would agree with you, but at one point in time during the winter I saw flt 106 at approx -20 from JFK to FRA and the continuation at -113. I am certain not everyone that made the flight oversold from JFK continued on to india that day.
Well I guess either way could technically work, but as far as DL is concerned if it isn't broken they won't fix it.


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1345 times:

What other ex PA route authorites does DL have but is not using aside from DEL? Does any one think DL can pull of a JFK-Gatwick-DEL or is that out of the question? Because LHR is way off limits for them.


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User currently offlineJessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1366 times:

If they get Anti trust Immunity with AF/ US/France open skies I'd bet they would do JFK CDG DEL or at least move the BOM flight to CDG.
Even though they're against the AA/BA bit if the US/UK do open skies they should be allowed into LHR.


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Good God...

Thank God you guys don't run Delta.

The FRA-BOM portion of Delta 106 and its reciprocal flight, DL107, aren't going anywhere. Delta is the only carrier which provides daily nonstop FRA-BOM service, and Delta makes a killing in this market.

If they could get a second BOM slot, I wouldn't be surprised to see them look into a nonstop, at least on a seasonal basis, but FRA-BOM is going nowhere. Not to JFK, not to CDG, not anywhere. Besides which, no aircraft in the Delta fleet is capable of safely completing a JFK-BOM nonstop. The 767 lacks the legs, and Delta management is apparently averse to the idea of designating THR a diversion field for the 777, at least for now. Remember, though, that once Delta orders the 777-200LR, it's a whole new ballgame as far as that is concerned. However, they'd be stupid to give up the FRA-BOM leg.



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User currently offlineBHopsde From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

OH YES! That DL FRA-BOM flight is always full!


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

One of their acquired routes from Pan Am is Karachi, why dont they fly here? PIA's flights on the JFK-KHI route are always packed even off season.

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User currently offlineAirnondo From Moldova, joined May 2000, 241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

DL is not the only carrier running FRA-BOM. Its flown by LH as well.
While this left over PanAm leg is profitable for DL, I strongly doubt they would be able to fill a nonstop JFK-BOM in ADDITION to this connecting service, especially once UA starts their ORD route.


User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1740 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

Firstly, as an Indian who lived in FRA till last month, I flew DL 106 & 107 quite a bit. Yes the flights are full most of the time but I can tell U that from my experiece it is not the BOM-FRA that is the money maker. The highest count I have had of people at the baggage claim in FRA from this flight is 12 (including myself), the lowest being just me and my father!!!! The planes were full though, they all connect to JFK, CVG, & ATL and onwards. In fact now that I live in Daytona Beach I will be doing DAB-ATL-FRA-BOM everytime I have to fly to India. This is where Delta makes their money.

Airnondo: U are right Lufthansa does fly to BOM but not daily... DL does and this is the key, being able to fly on any day of the week!

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