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Drunk Granny Forces Back NZ Flight Costs QF $20K  
User currently offlineSandgroper From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12511 times:

There is a lot to be said about letting a Granny loose with duty free alcohol...

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...light/story-e6frfku0-1226383838213


Sandgroper
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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12472 times:

Throw the book at the selfish woman  http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...-aboard-flight-20120604-1zrq2.html

The inconvenience to the airline and other passengers is outrageous. If i were the judge I'd make her pay for all costs involved. Starting with the $19,760 to Qantas for having to turn around the jet mid way, and any passenger lost expenses.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12438 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 1):
If i were the judge I'd make her pay for all costs involved. Starting with the $19,760 to Qantas for having to turn around the jet mid way, and any passenger lost expenses.

And medical costs for the guy she punched in the face!



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3280 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12283 times:

Is it just the USA that restricts how much liquid you can take onboard an aircraft? Or since the liquid is purchased beyond security checks it's then limited to the arriving countries import laws?


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9407 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12195 times:

In most countries you can buy as much as you like, how you get the pruchase past customs is your own business. Regulations however say that you are not allowed to consume anything before having arrived and cleared customs.


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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11910 times:

I have noticed that some drink a lot before boarding, maybe to take the edge off their flying nerves? I have seen people drinking beer at 6.30am at Arlanda..I hardly had breakfast by then..

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6432 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11867 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):
In most countries you can buy as much as you like, how you get the pruchase past customs is your own business. Regulations however say that you are not allowed to consume anything before having arrived and cleared customs.

And with that point, New Zealand has one of the most lenient allowances - max 3x 1.125L bottles of spirits AND 4.5L of wine/beer. So theoretically she could have had a lot with her.



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11801 times:

I never drink alcohol on long haul, it will make the jet lag worse, dehydration gets worse. Cabin air is very dry and alcohol makes its even worse for the body.

User currently offlineSandgroper From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11764 times:

They do report she had a drinking problem but violent as well really shows how this problem gets you in trouble, most of us fall asleep or are happy drunks and try and get another free drink

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 6):
And with that point, New Zealand has one of the most lenient allowances - max 3x 1.125L bottles of spirits AND 4.5L of wine/beer. So theoretically she could have had a lot with her.

And ready for a boxing match, gee she must have been tanked!

[Edited 2012-06-04 03:41:02]


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User currently offlineEmperortimSJO From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9893 times:

I like how the "granny" is 58 I only opened the link because I thought she was at least in her 80's the author got me...

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19737 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 5):
I have seen people drinking beer at 6.30am at Arlanda..I hardly had breakfast by then..

Your point? Are you saying that they should be having mimosas instead at that hour?   I agree; I've been on a few early morning flights and I've always scratched my head at the fact that they serve beer/wine/booze on a 45 minute hop from, say, SFO to SBA at 0630. I've scratched my head even harder when my neighbor ordered some.

While I don't believe in charging passengers for medical diversions, I think it absolutely makes sense to charge passengers for behavioral diversions.


User currently onlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4995 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9141 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 5):
I have seen people drinking beer at 6.30am at Arlanda..I hardly had breakfast by then..

After having just arrived from LAX (for example)? It is before midnight, their time.

I have done that. Arrived from overseas, grabbed a quick beer on my way to a connection.



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User currently offlinekdhurst380 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9053 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):

As far as air travel goes, somebodies 6am is somebody else's 6pm, my mother works nights and will often come home and have a glass of wine before going to sleep for the day, just as many would do in the evening.

That said, I have had a few beers first thing when in the 'holiday spirit', and when flying J, champagne is a must whatever the hour!


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8450 times:

Well I meant the morning flight from Stockholm to say Spain, it leaves at 7.15 am. People, often golfers, drink beer before take off. IMO beer wouldn't even taste good that early in the morning? I often take that flight to visit family in Spain. I rather have a cerveza in the Spanish sun  

User currently offlineFN1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 7376 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 4):
... Regulations however say that you are not allowed to consume anything before having arrived and cleared customs.

Sorry for being offtopic, but this must be corrected.

The customs code of the destination does not apply for the area before you cross the customs border (usually where you find the custom agents asking if you have something to declare), meaning that in the air (int'l airspace), you can drink from you duty-free booze as much as the safety regulations of the airline allow.

Maybe you got in HAM in a shop a sealed bag with the receipt inside, this you need when you change the plane in an EU country to get permission to have more than 100ml liquids as carry-on. Nothing with custom clearance. A sad story from me about this, Some years ago I bought in IAD some bottles as presents for my friends home (about $600) and had to change the plane in VIE. Before boarding in VIE I was told that my carry-on liquids can not exceed 100 ml if they are not bought in a duty-free shop in the EU, so all my nice bottles went in the trashcan.



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User currently offlinerolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 7253 times:

Granny + Alcohol and usually there is no end to the drunkenness. But usually they don't end up punching people in the nose.


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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6981 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 5):
I have noticed that some drink a lot before boarding, maybe to take the edge off their flying nerves? I have seen people drinking beer at 6.30am at Arlanda..I hardly had breakfast by then..

What about time zone differences? If they were from LA, it'd be late for them as far as "body clocks" go.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13141 posts, RR: 100
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4169 times:
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Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 1):
Throw the book at the selfish woman

Until I read about the assault, I thought this would be a funny thread. I have no patience for that behavior. I give zero excuse to alcohol damage. She did it, so she should pay for it.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 2):
And medical costs for the guy she punched in the face!

  

Quoting sweair (Reply 5):

I have noticed that some drink a lot before boarding, maybe to take the edge off their flying nerves?

Quite a few people need to drink before flying. Some due to the fear of flying, for some its just alcoholism run amok. I've sat next to too many alcoholic salesmen on aircraft though...

Quoting rolfen (Reply 15):
Granny + Alcohol and usually there is no end to the drunkenness. But usually they don't end up punching people in the nose.

Usually its at worst a little sad; this was just wrong.


Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 12):
I have had a few beers first thing when in the 'holiday spirit'

Nothing wrong with one or two beers before a flight, if you can handle it. It is for other people to determine how well each of us handles alcohol.   

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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 12):
That said, I have had a few beers first thing when in the 'holiday spirit',

Well I was on my way to catch LAX-SFO and before checking out i figured i did not use the complimentary drink coupons hotel gives. So on my way out to the taxi grabbed 2 Coronas and drank my way to the airport. It was 7AM  


User currently offlinestrangr From Australia, joined Apr 2012, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 1):
The inconvenience to the airline and other passengers is outrageous. If i were the judge I'd make her pay for all costs involved. Starting with the $19,760 to Qantas for having to turn around the jet mid way, and any passenger lost expenses.

I would think that airlines would have some sort of Insurance for this. However yes the passenger should pay some penalty to Qantas, Unfortunately she will most likely be fined by the AFP and this fine will go into general government coffers.

Quoting FN1001 (Reply 14):
you can drink from you duty-free booze as much as the safety regulations of the airline allow.

Like I did in 2004 when flying from LAX to Sydney the two guys next to me purchased 3 ltrs of vodka between them, I told them they would pay tax in Australia on the 3rd litre, Some how the 3rd Litre went missing over the next 18 hours, along with a lot of various flavoured fizzy drinks.   

Quoting longhauler (Reply 11):
I have done that. Arrived from overseas, grabbed a quick beer on my way to a connection.

Nothing funnier then seeing the Melbourne airport bar full at 7am serving beers as all the international flights arrive. whats wrong with a beer and bacon and eggs on toast.   


User currently offlineweebie From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

The granny has been ordered to pay qantas $18,750. just announced 5 mins ago.

User currently offlineweebie From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

she also had a similar incident earlier this year on a virgin flight.

User currently offlinestrangr From Australia, joined Apr 2012, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Quoting weebie (Reply 20):

The granny has been ordered to pay qantas $18,750. just announced 5 mins ago.

got a source, can not see it on the news sites.


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Quoting FN1001 (Reply 14):
you can drink from you duty-free booze as much as the safety regulations of the airline allow.

Qantas Conditions of Carriage make it clear that you are not permitted to consume alcohol purchased in the duty-free shops aboard Qantas aircraft and outlines what is acceptable in terms of drinking:

Quote:
"if you drink alcohol, drink only in moderation and only alcohol served on your flight with us as part of our inflight bar service" (Emphasis added.)
Quoting strangr (Reply 19):
Unfortunately she will most likely be fined

While any fine imposed will go into Consolidated Revenue, Qantas may seek restitution for costs, which may be awarded by the courts. Again this is stated in the Conditions that everybody reads before purchasing their ticket :

Quote:

"If we divert the aircraft to an unscheduled destination as a result of your failure to comply with the requirements set out in these Conditions of Carriage or your conduct described in 11.2, you must pay us the reasonable costs of the diversion."

I am not sure how Qantas' insurance would work in this instance. Is it not a clause in any policy that one seeks to recover what costs one can before claiming insurance? Would the insurance company simply cough up or would they expect Qantas to seek to recover the costs and only pay in the event of Qantas being unable to?


User currently offlinepegasus1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

Quoting strangr,reply=22got a source, can not see it on the news sites.:
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...8245-to-qantas-20120605-1ztmd.html

[Edited 2012-06-04 22:42:51]

25 PanHAM : which is what most other airlines have as well. People are not supposed to open duty free items in the country where purchased, not during flight and
26 Post contains links kiwiandrew : I am very pleased to say that she has been ordered to pay QFs costs http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8...en-nz-grandma-to-pay-qantas-a18000 of cours
27 type-rated : Even though I haven't heard anyone say this in years and years but some people used to say something like "Oooh, I can't fly without having a bunch o
28 zkojq : Good. I hope this sets a good precedent for future incidents that will no-doubt occur and additionally that some of the fine will go to Qantas and th
29 MAN2SIN2BKK : Beer always tastes better before food, so 7am is ideal!
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