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Boeing To Firm 30 747-8I MoUs "soon"  
User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 47214 times:

Flight global reports that Boeing is to firm B747-8i MoUs:

Quote: Boeing is confident it will convert the 30 commitments it has for the 747-8I passenger variant into firm orders, and also expects to secure near-term incremental sales for the stretched Jumbo.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ure-incremental-sales-soon-372588/

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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7165 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 47142 times:

Fantastic news. No doubt this summers air show will be a winner for the 748i.


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User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 46849 times:

Great to see the queen coming back.

User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 46807 times:

As much as I would love to see orders materialize for the 748i, I still lost all excitement for Boeing's statements like this. I will believe it when I see it. However I will be more than happy about it  


Peet7G
User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 46452 times:

The 748 has one big advantage, short backlog and compared to the 744 decent economics.

User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2334 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 45617 times:

Cathay ? China ? Transaero ?

User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2912 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 45468 times:
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Please!!!! Make it UNITED. I just can't imagine United as an all 2 hole airline! I know they have said NO 1000 times. But if Cher can win an Acadamy Award for best actress...anything can happen!

(and I love Cher)



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User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2730 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 45027 times:

Quoting by738 (Reply 5):
Cathay ? China ? Transaero ?
Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
Please!!!! Make it UNITED.

It's in the article

Quote:
Boeing also holds memorandums of understanding (MoUs) for some 30 747-8Is from a mix of announced and undisclosed customers which include Air China (five), Transaero (four) and an undisclosed customer (15).

whereby 15 undisclosed customer seem to be the airframes for Hong Kong Airlines

Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
I just can't imagine United as an all 2 hole airline!

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User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 44886 times:

I bet some are for TK


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User currently offlineabba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1368 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 43990 times:

Quoting Northstar80 (Reply 8):
I bet some are for TK


If 15 is for an undisclosed customer and there are 5 for Air China and 4 for Transaero then there must be 6 unaccounted for if they have MOUs for 30. TK is a good guess as they like to fly all available models (more or less)


User currently offlinemsp747 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 43386 times:

This seems to be an update to orders we had all heard about before. I guess if they had not been firmed up, it is a good sign for Boeing. But it's not like they have orders pouring in from carriers some of us wish would order the 8I. CI, CX, UA, DL are not going to surprise us any time soon with big orders for the plane.

User currently offlinemd2012 From United States of America, joined May 2012, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 42839 times:

Great news for the queen of the sky. All these orders will ensure at least 50 years in the sky (since 1970). A fitting Golden Jubilee for this queen.

User currently onlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2730 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 42693 times:

Quoting msp747 (Reply 10):
I guess if they had not been firmed up, it is a good sign for Boeing.

I don't get this point. How can it be a good sign?


User currently offlinemsp747 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months ago) and read 41776 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 12):
I don't get this point. How can it be a good sign?

I thought these were firm orders, but from what I am gathering from this article, they were not. However, if they are now (or soon will be) official firm orders, that is good news for Boeing and the 748's backlog. It is not good news for people who were hoping for a surge of new orders for the 748


User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months ago) and read 41700 times:

I hope Boeing isn't counting any of the potential orders from Chinese airlines. Those are not "done" until they are finalized. In my opinion, China appears to use commercial aircraft orders as geo-political tools so finalizing an order for Chinese airlines depends on which way the political winds are blowing.

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31062 posts, RR: 87
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months ago) and read 41711 times:
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If 747-8 commitments are like 737 MAX commitments, then carriers have paid Boeing to secure delivery positions so these should become firm orders once all the contract details have been worked out.


Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 18):
I hope Boeing isn't counting any of the potential orders from Chinese airlines.


Hong Kong Airlines is widely believed to be the airline behind the 15 UFOs and it Boeing looked to have planned to announce the order at Paris. However, it appears CAAC has yet to formally approve the deal (at which point they will likely be booked as UFOs as Boeing policy is not to announce a China order by customer until CAAC allocates the planes).

Boeing also believes Chinese carriers will be a major buyer of the 747-8.

[Edited 2012-06-04 07:00:09]

User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months ago) and read 41132 times:

Can someone refresh my memory on the timetable for ~ 5t reduction in weight and an upcoming PIP from GE.

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31062 posts, RR: 87
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months ago) and read 40997 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 20):
Can someone refresh my memory on the timetable for ~ 5t reduction in weight and an upcoming PIP from GE.

Next year.


User currently offlinenimbus111 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months ago) and read 40827 times:

great to hear!! its a beautiful aircraft!! congrats


The more turbulence the marrier :-)
User currently offlinePanAm1971 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 40166 times:

I think we'll see more orders once the adjustments are made and the aircraft achieves the orginal operations specs. I've flown in every version of this amazing aircraft... and hope I'll get a chance to fly in this latest version. Can't wait!

User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1368 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 39450 times:

So, will Boeing firm up those MoUs before or after they finally tell us who bought all those mk. IV 737s? I believe even with the SW order there's still a few hundred unaccounted for, if Boeing's claim of having sold 1K+ is to be substantiated.

Just wondering ...



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9856 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 38844 times:

Interesting development for the 748i but to my knowledge from a legal point of view an MoU doesn't mean much as there is no obligation to actually exercise the order with an MoU. An airline can back out at any time if only an MoU is signed. Once the aircraft are actually ordered, that is a different story of course. The question is to what extend do MoU's lead to actual orders. How big of an indicator are MoU's for actual orders?

A388


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7165 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 38501 times:

Hong Kong airlines have no need for the 748 or the 380.


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31062 posts, RR: 87
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 38186 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 25):
The question is to what extend do MoU's lead to actual orders.

Most MoUs become firm orders. Those that do not are most often due to finances - the airline that placed the MoU can't secure the financing to turn it into a firm order.

Sometimes, an MoU expires, but the airline later places an order when their finances are better. A case in point is W3 - they signed an MoU for four 747-8s back in May of 2008, but that MoU never became an order. Three years later, they signed a new order for two 747-8s.

Based on FlightBlogger noting that Air China may become the next 747-8 operator (before KE and W3), this makes me believe that a 747-8 commitment is like a 737 MAX commitment - more than an MoU, because an airline has cut Boeing a check to secure a production slot, but not yet a firm order.

So I personally am of the opinion that Boeing has deposits on at least 20 747-8s (15 for HX and 5 for CA) and perhaps 24 (UN) and therefore those are very likely to become firm orders.


User currently offlinefrmrCapCadet From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 37589 times:

Actually airlines have threatened or have backed out of orders up until the actualy time of delivery.


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25 N14AZ : Hmm, I always respect your opinion but for me it's hard to believe that in particular the future Chinese operators did already pay a single Dollar or
26 Post contains images EPA001 : If these MoU are all converted it would be a very, very nice boost for the B747-8 program. More 4-holers in the sky is to always a good thing. .
27 Stitch : The Chinese government (through CAAC) is the one who formally approves the orders and then assigns them to the airlines so I expect that if Boeing ha
28 crAAzy : I think CX is on record as saying that any decision they make on the 748i will be after a thorough evaluation of their 748 cargo planes. Not sure if
29 Stitch : We've also heard comments that the 747-8 does not appear to be part of CX's fleet plans and that they look to be placing an order for the A380-800.
30 jreuschl : Weren't there reports that TK was not completely happy with the 773 as it needed full cargo/too much plane in general for them?
31 KC135TopBoom : You could be right about that. But if any one of them decided to order the B-747-8I, and wanted them 30 months after the contract was signed, I think
32 mogandoCI : Now that UA has inherited a large management team from sCO that's been very loyal to Boeing, I could actually see 777-8X and 777-9X ordered instead o
33 sunrisevalley : To this would need to be added ; the progress of the weight reduction program and the GE PIP program. I would think they would want to see achieved r
34 DocLightning : Loyalty and a hundred million dollars or so will buy you a plane. UA will buy the best airframe after their bean counters have checked and triple-che
35 Post contains links and images Devilfish : What about for hints like this?..... . http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...oeings-hint-on-new-747-stretc.html Quote: "Somewhere over the Atlantic,
36 Post contains images PW100 : Just a question, if a deposit was paid for an MoU / "commitment", does the customer get [partially] refunded in case the deal for whatever reason fal
37 A388 : I also read in the past that CX was reportedly interested in a stretched version of the A380 (-900) rather than the current model (A380-800). We just
38 Post contains links and images Northstar80 : I did not see that. Last month I think, someone posted on Turkish Aviation forum saying that TK was looking to order more 77Ws and also 748i's. It wa
39 ER757 : I wonder in any of the six or so un-announced MOUs/commitments are for VIPs. If not, then six might be just about the right number for TK. Probably to
40 planejamie : Just to speculate (more of a dream really) that those 6 could be for BA? Think about it, they operate a small number of 77Ws and I know people are go
41 SKY1 : Or things are going to change dramatically ...or IB has and is going to have for years an 346/77W as the biggest airliner in size. I'd love see an A38
42 Stitch : The 747X Stretch was to be almost 80m long and the 747-600X was to be 85m long, so taking the "747-9" to 80m or longer is clearly something Boeing fe
43 cx flyboy : CX have said that they will have another look at ordering a VLA this year. There have been few clues from them as to which way they are leaning or whe
44 Stitch : Many bring forward the A380-900 for this reason, as it will offer additional LD3 spaces (looks to be 44). But if cargo is a big deal to CX, will they
45 Wingtips56 : How likely is the tiff between China and the EU over the emissions trading scheme to lead to some quick orders for the 748I, with cancellation or furt
46 frmrCapCadet : The US, Europe, China, Russia, and India are all big enough and with enough competing interests that tiffs are an ongoing issue. Who likes who? If you
47 Stitch : China has approved HX's order for the A380-800, but has not yet approved HX's order for the 747-8, so...
48 Post contains images TWA772LR : WN is buying them to fly out of HOU to AKL!!!!! All joking aside, I am happy for Boeing and the 747! I hope it is for a US major ( United!!! ). May th
49 Post contains images mal787 : QF will buy 15 frames, as they realised that the 380 is to big, the 380 will be leased to BA for 15 years like they did in reverse with the 763 that B
50 Post contains images LifelinerOne : You do realise that that part of your qoute is the personal opinion from the Flightblogger, not from Boeing's Lund? Now it looks like Boeing is sayin
51 Burkhard : The choice of airlines who could make an incremental purchase isn't long. So they speak with LH or KE?
52 columba : I would say LH, they seem very pleased and I have the opinion they make an even bigger fuzz with the introduction of the 747-8I as they did back then
53 par13del : No need to do it for fun, you appear to understand exactly how the process works, no one ever said it applied only to one vendor and one a/c.
54 sweair : So what is the difference in cargo between the A380 and the 748i? The A380 should be able to carry more weight? The 777 seems to be the best cargo opt
55 Burkhard : Isn't the GENX-2 an engine of the 777X generation - or is there any idea for the 777X engines that is not in the GENX but raw size?
56 sweair : I think the 777X will get engines with LEAPX technology. It would probably be a mix of LEAP and genX. A 748 refresh wouldn´t come in the next 10 yea
57 Stitch : The 747-8 has less hold space, however it carries less passengers so in the end, it offers more available space for cargo. In term of volume, yes and
58 dennys : We've also heard comments that the 747-8 does not appear to be part of CX's fleet plans and that they look to be placing an order for the A380-800. a
59 anfromme : As was mentioned before - comments from inside CX seem to indicate that the 747-8i isn't part of CX fleet plans. Which of course doesn't mean that th
60 Post contains links PW100 : Not to mention that any political struggles between EU and China would probably be evenly balanced out by the USA - China struggles around military s
61 mcg : How many 748's will Boeing need to sell to recover their investment in the project?
62 Post contains images DocLightning : Not to mention the fact that you eat bangers and mash... Most Americans wouldn't even want to SEE your bangers and mash! Then there were AA and DL, w
63 Byrdluvs747 : That's rather disappointing to hear. Unless Boeing is expecting the A380 program to implode within the next 5-10 years, this says that Y3 is nowhere
64 Stitch : They spent at least $300 million on the 747-8 above and beyond what they spent on the 747-8F. I've heard some analysts say the 747-8 program ran nort
65 DocLightning : Let's suppose that the 7478i itself cost $300M in addition to the $4B that the entire program cost. Let's suppose that they sell them at $100M/frame
66 PHXA340 : They will need way more than that , not every dollar they record from a sale is a profit , most goes to materials and labor etc ... I see the 747-8 p
67 gigneil : Why does United canceling a plane they clearly want come up in every single 747 thread? Get over it. NS
68 PlanesNTrains : It's beyond bizarre. Frankly, as much as I'd love to see the 748i soldier on, I'd prefer to see the A359 in the United fleet first. It will be much m
69 justloveplanes : Profit is probably closer to about $15-20 million a frame, which gets to the 250 plus range to break even, about the numbers Boeing has been throwing
70 Post contains images cmf : All we know is that Boeing had to take a charge because production costs were not covered by the accounting block. This is of course for both 747-8 m
71 nomorerjs : I would guess quite few are coming from China as a targeted response to the EUs carbon emisson plan. I could be wrong and it could be on the merits of
72 PHXA340 : As is the case with many aircraft orders , what some A.netters seem to forget is Boeing isn't the only beneficiary from Politics , Airbus has also ra
73 Post contains links B777LRF : Speaking off, the cover page on flightglobal.com has several articles about the aircraft. In very broad details: - Next PIP (engines, FMC, weight redu
74 nomorerjs : I'm not implying Boeing is a dog. I'm a born and raised Chicagoan and huge B supporter (ask others here and check past posts), but am giving A the ben
75 Post contains images astuteman : Waiting another 25-30 years to launch a further 747 stretch that they couldn't sell 15 years ago sounds a bit implausible to me. Never say never, I g
76 qf002 : If anything, the A380 isn't big enough for QF. I'd fully expect them to convert some of their aircraft arriving later this decade to the -900 if it m
77 BlueSky1976 : All of these comments originate from well-known a.net Airbus bashers. I wouldn't pay a dime of attention to them, nor would I take them seriously. UA
78 mal787 : It was only a tounge in cheek remark. not to be taken seriously Mal787
79 Post contains images qf002 : Oops, sorry!
80 707lvr : Several posts questioning Boeing's credibility on its orders. I've been following Boeing for a very long time and this has never been an issue. Quite
81 ebj1248650 : It might be that many a.netters don't believe the airline can have both, given how very expensive modern airliners are. But then, most of us don't kn
82 CXB77L : It has also been mentioned before from someone inside CX that there are rumours that the 747-8i is the preferred aircraft due to its advantage in car
83 columba : Also fleet commonality with their existing 747-8F fleet might be an advantage for the 747-8I, I guess.
84 sweair : The 748i has one big advantage, short backlog. Otherwise the 380 wins most aspects. As a freighter it is one of a kind and nothing could replace it re
85 abba : I shall not deny that this has also been said. However, that seems very much to be the minority view from inside CX...
86 Stitch : I believe we have heard one CX employee say "yes" and one CX employee say "no" about the prospects of the 747-8 in the fleet.
87 sweair : Who to believe? I know one is rather negative towards B and the other is rather positive.
88 CX Flyboy : Am I the one who is positive towards B? If so, I didn't say it was a yes for the 748i! I think it is a hard call to be honest as neither aircraft are
89 Post contains links and images flightsimer : Instead of starting a new thread, I'm going to post this here... While reading a write up from the first flight by airline reporter, this person said
90 2175301 : I doubt that the AN124's will exist by the time the 747F is no more. Honestly, I think there is a fair chance that the 747F may remain in production
91 CXB77L : Unless you have contacts within the airline, how would you know that? When I made the comment that there are rumours that the 747-8i is the preferred
92 CX Flyboy : Latest I have heard today from one of our managers is that the 748i as it is, in CX configuration and routes, would offer yields per seat more than t
93 na : Likely a 777X wont be in service before 2020. So CX wont have a plane to compete comfortwise with the A380 forever? The 77W is a very efficient plane
94 EPA001 : That would be unfortunate imho. But if that is what suits the business model of CX best, then they should go for it. I find that hard to believe, unl
95 qf002 : EK's largest plane for a long time was the 77W (and before that the 773), top airlines like QR, EY, NZ etc all have the 77W as their largest aircraft
96 Post contains images CXB77L : Thank you for the update. That's a matter of opinion. Whether an aircraft is "comfortable" or not depends more on the airline's configuration than th
97 Post contains images EPA001 : It is mix where the aircraft factors are more important then the configuration imho. Seating quality, if available space is a factor, is unsurpassed
98 CX Flyboy : Exactly. What matters is profit since CX is a business and a very successful one at that. They do not always do what other airlines are doing yet we w
99 Post contains images SEPilot : I am a bit confused; the first quote seems to say that the 748i would beat the 77W and the second quote says that nothing beats the 77W; is the 748i
100 Post contains images frigatebird : Interesting to hear indeed. The list of airlines looking closely at the 787-10 is growing However, I thought one of your colleagues here said one of
101 sweair : I am still sceptical of the same wing on the 788,789 and 7810, at least one model must have a suboptimal wing?
102 Post contains images PW100 : I tend to believe that the 788 wing was really designed with the optimum somewhere between the 788 and the 789, probably quite close to the 789. The
103 sunrisevalley : In my view CX has demonstrated the ability to keep the flying experience with them attractive to their customers irrespective of the type of aircraft
104 Post contains images Stitch : CX supposedly wants a similar experience across all their aircraft so that passengers transitioning between an A330 | A350 | 777 | 747 don't really n
105 SEPilot : The sizing of the wing is quite complicated. Larger area means lower wing loading, which translates into lower landing and takeoff speed, and reduced
106 CX Flyboy : Sorry for being confusing! I meant that the manager said that the figures for the 748i were not as good as the 77W.
107 SEPilot : OK, that makes more sense, and it certainly confirms rumors that the 748i is off the table. It would be silly to buy a larger plane that cost more pe
108 bestwestern : I noticed a 748i illuminated bill board on the entrance to HKG yesterday- Boeing thanking CX cargo for being a wonderful customer. Sorry - too quick t
109 CX Flyboy : Cathay "Loves" the 748F. (Their words not mine!). Does the love translate to the 748i? Maybe after the PIP? Who knows. There are too many variables t
110 davs5032 : I keep seeing this post made, but have yet to see a good reason why UA would do this from a financial perspective, or any indication from UA itself t
111 BlueSky1976 : My understanding of the comment in reply 92 is that CX would rather wait a few years for the 777-9X, which would beat 747-8i in efficiency, than buy
112 4holer : After watching CPA71 flying over enroute from MIA to LAX yesterday, I love the Cathay 748F also! Looked beautiful thru binocs and a stunning contrail
113 Post contains images qf002 : Aimed straight at the CX boardroom down the road by any chance?
114 Stitch : We already know where 24 of the 30 are coming from: 15 x HX 05 x CA 04 x UN Per Wiki, CX looks to have a fleet of 8 747-400s (74K) with their four-cla
115 bestwestern : Totally. Pity I didn't get a photo.
116 FlyAA757 : LY appears to be in the market as well, and coincidentally, they have 6 744s...
117 DocLightning : AA tends to place orders for new types in small numbers. Just sayin'... (Yeah, I know. You'll sooner see a cow flying a 748i than AA ordering one, but
118 ER757 : Yeah, I'd put them on the short list too - if the number is six, I'd say most likely candidates would be: TK PR LY I'll throw out a wild card too: SA
119 Post contains links N14AZ : Interesting statements from TK's CEO Temel Kotil: Source: http://www.aerotelegraph.com/turkish...a380-b747-von-airbus-boeing-kaufen "It's urgent" mea
120 ual777uk : do we have any idea when any announcements will be made................soon, could be anytime in the next 6 months or even longer! As much as I would
121 LY777 : As much as I would love to see them operating 748Is, I think LY has to replace their 767s before their 744s
122 scouseflyer : Well there are the 2 slots that QF has vacated recently and I beleive that the UU birds that they're going to have trouble paying for may be availabl
123 tak : I would guess that Boeing is planning to announce these orders at The Farnborough Air Show. So hopefully we will found out in about a month or so. I t
124 CX Flyboy : I agree!!
125 Post contains images qf340500 : CX Flyboy, i also have to agree, even though i love CX, and prefer them much over SQ, i think the livery needs a change / refresh soon. I think the co
126 Post contains images scbriml : Yet three of the four you mention have ordered A380s as well.
127 Post contains images columba : Well, I do hope that LH will order more soon, together with the 787-10 TK seems the most likely candidate for me !!
128 Post contains images lightsaber : They've dropped enough hints. But how many? It wouldn't be 30... CX will be interesting to watch. I suspect they would more likely order the A388, bu
129 Post contains images rotating14 : Can you say launch customer????
130 EddieDude : Does anybody know where KE will fly its first 747-800i to?
131 md2012 : Saw 2 BA 747 at terminal 7 at JFK....Hard for me to see BA without the Queen of Sky.. Hoping for a surprise order here
132 Stitch : Such an order would be a surprise considering the RFP between the A380-800 and 747-8 was a "winner take all" deal. You can see the 747-8 freighter in
133 Post contains images columba : You bet I think it was made very clear by LH that they will order it At least something[Edited 2012-06-20 00:17:03]
134 Post contains links rotating14 : http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...airbus-or-boeing-jumbos-next-month Looks like there is some evidence of how many frames TK's looking to acquire
135 ebj1248650 : Given the difference in passenger capacity, 3-class layout, wouldn't the 748i be the better buy for TK? Incidentally, is it too soon to ask what passe
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