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Fedex To Retire 50-aircraft; Establish Japan Hub  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 30129 times:

Fedex announced today it would permanently retire from service 50 aircraft. 18 A310-s, 6 MD-10s, and 26 B727s are planned to be withdrawn by 2013.

Carrier will take a $134mil impairment charge.

Additionally carrier will accelerate the retirement of 32 MD-10s, 18 A310s and 4 B727s to align them better with future delivery schedules of 757 and 767 freighters.

Story:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fedex-...ircraft-retirements-202600049.html

In other news, carrier announced it plans to establish a regional hub at Kansai International Airport by spring 2014.
The carrier plans to develop a 25,000 sq meter facility that will operate around the clock to provide added intra-Asia Pacific capacity supplementing its existing primary hub at Guangzhou China.

Story:
http://www.aircargoworld.com/Air-Car...x-to-establish-japanese-hub/317299

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[Edited 2012-06-04 14:41:09]


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User currently onlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6677 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 30067 times:

FTA: "The B767 will provide similar capacity as the MD10s, with improved reliability, an approximate 30% increase in fuel efficiency and a minimum of a 20% reduction in unit operating costs. "
I thought the MD-10 was significantly larger than the 767.



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User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5953 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 29985 times:

How many 727 are currently in service?


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 30002 times:

The MD10 is larger than the 767-300. The capacity will be "similar" though not quite as much, maybe a tiny bit more than the A300. The more important thing is the dispatch reliability factor. The MD10s are old, and break down frequently. A Fedex without the 727 and MD10 will be a company that functions a lot more smoothly.

User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 29764 times:
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Quoting HPRamper (Reply 3):
A Fedex without the 727 and MD10 will be a company that functions a lot more smoothly.

Thanks for this insight---what about the A-310's? Sadly some of the A-310's have seen very low hours since their conversion in Dresden and are now being parked or are already parked..... I looked at the entire A-310 fleet and they have parked as many newer models as older models---incredibly the the A-310 prototype (which came from Swissair) is stiill flying for them while much newer models are parked and a number derelict or broken up.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 29569 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 4):
Thanks for this insight---what about the A-310's? Sadly some of the A-310's have seen very low hours since their conversion in Dresden and are now being parked or are already parked..... I looked at the entire A-310 fleet and they have parked as many newer models as older models---incredibly the the A-310 prototype (which came from Swissair) is stiill flying for them while much newer models are parked and a number derelict or broken up.

The A310 is going the same direction as the A318 is for passenger airlines. Its capacity shortcomings due to its relatively small size in combination with the high fuel prices mean the niche for the 310 to be necessary is shrinking. It burns almost as much fuel as the A300 and demands the same number of ground crew yet carries notably less cargo so the profit margin takes a hit moreso than it would for other aircraft.

The 310 is being squeezed in terms of volume between the 757 and the A300 (and soon the 767). The FX Airbus planes are also being converted to be able to carry the new 767 ULDs and that also may have been a factor in deciding to park them with such frequency. For what it's worth the Airbus also has a reputation as being a relative maintenance hog for FX, although I don't know if that is more due to the A300 or the A310.


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 29311 times:

How old are their oldest MD-10's/11's?

User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 29215 times:
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If I am not mistaken, when the final 727 is gone from the FX fleet they will have operated the type longer than any other operator. Pleas correct me if I am wrong.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 29189 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 6):
How old are their oldest MD-10's/11's?

Some of the 10s are VERY old. Early 1970s. Some of them are over 40 years old.
The 11s are much newer, on average a good 15 years newer. Also much more reliable in my experience. Thank goodness we will see those 11s flying for many more years, they are beautiful planes.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29681 posts, RR: 84
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 29109 times:
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Quoting SEPilot (Reply 1):
I thought the MD-10 was significantly larger than the 767.

In terms of raw volume, the 767-300F clocks in at about 438m3, which is not terribly less than a DC-10-30F's 470m3. The DC-10-30F does have a solid payload weight advantage (70t vs. 54t), but I would expect FX runs out of payload space before they run out of payload weight.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 29083 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
In terms of raw volume, the 767-300F clocks in at about 438m3, which is not terribly less than a DC-10-30F's 470m3. The DC-10-30F does have a solid payload weight advantage (70t vs. 54t), but I would expect FX runs out of payload space before they run out of payload weight.

Correct, at least on domestic flights volume is maxed out long before max weight is ever approached.

Also keep in mind that since ULDs are used to load freight, raw volume must be taken with a grain of salt. FX needs to use smaller ULDs on the 767 than they can fit on the MD because of fuselage width.


User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 29018 times:

The end of the FDX A310 & 722 is pretty much
now official with this announcement- Sad.  

[Edited 2012-06-04 16:16:20]


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 28965 times:

I'm not super sad about either. The Bus is not especially pretty compared to the other planes FX flies and has its multitude of shortcomings. The 727 I will miss more, mainly because it's just so damn cool to see taking off into the evening sky.

The 757 is indeed a gorgeous and very capable plane in its own right as a replacement. I'll be much more emotional the day FX retires its last MD11. This will be the end of an era though, no doubt.


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 28908 times:

Off topic, but when I'm at the ANC ramp I see roughly 3-4 T7's and at least 4-7 DC and MD 10's and 11's there parked at various times. I know the t7's are Int'l bound but where in AK do they smaller MD's and DC's travel to?   

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 28846 times:

ANC does have its own flights that are not there for international purposes. Some of the 10s/11s are there for that, although the 11s do stop there on the way to Asia and back. ANC is a big transload point so some 11s may come from, say, KIX to ANC and turn back to ICN etc. That's just a theoretical example, might not even be real.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 28557 times:

Kansai convincing Fedex to establish a regional hub is a good win.
This follows on both DHL having turned KIX into its Japan gateway back in 2008 or so with large facilities, and also TNT established its North Asia express facility at the airport around the same time.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 13):
know the t7's are Int'l bound but where in AK do they smaller MD's and DC's travel to?

Here is a sample schedule for ANC - tomorrow 05 June.

ANC-EWR 77F
ANC-IND 77F
ANC-KIX-PEK M11
ANC-MEM 3x M11
ANC-NRT-PVG 77F
ANC-OAK M11



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 28553 times:

There are many MD-11 and DC-10 flights from Anchorage to primary markets in the US. They could come from Asia, but they also do fly up and turn.

First Overnight and Priority Overnight wouldn't work quite as well without them.

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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 27931 times:

Sad for the A310's. My friends from PA said "it was quite the machine" and they made money with them. It's a true wide body- the 763, not quite. However, boxes don't care!


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User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2223 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 27397 times:

We only see Md-10's, A300's, and 757's on occaison in ANC. The Md10 is the most frequent of those three but definitely not on a daily basis. Md11's and 777's galore.

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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12419 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 27257 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Fedex announced today it would permanently retire from service 50 aircraft. 18 A310-s, 6 MD-10s, and 26 B727s are planned to be withdrawn by 2013.

None of the aircraft being retired are a surprise. I am surprised FedEx is willing to take the 'impairment charge.' Are they expected to loose money anyway? Or will they make enough to stay in the black for the quarter and year?

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
The carrier plans to develop a 25,000 sq meter facility that will operate around the clock to provide added intra-Asia Pacific capacity supplementing its existing primary hub at Guangzhou China.

This is interesting. I would love to know why the second Asian hub. Is China being difficult with expansion?

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 1):
FTA: "The B767 will provide similar capacity as the MD10s, with improved reliability, an approximate 30% increase in fuel efficiency and a minimum of a 20% reduction in unit operating costs. "

In the long run, FedEx will save quite a bit of cash.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 3):
A Fedex without the 727 and MD10 will be a company that functions a lot more smoothly.

But these were already stored aircraft... FedEx would have to order even more 767s to replace all the MD10s. There is no doubt that new build 767s would help operations, but I do not see the cost justification of replacing the full MD10 fleet for a while.

Quoting bigbird (Reply 7):
If I am not mistaken, when the final 727 is gone from the FX fleet they will have operated the type longer than any other operator.

I'm not sure... I do know that when Fedex retires the type the support economics for the 727 will be very poor.

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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16934 posts, RR: 48
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 27218 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
In other news, carrier announced it plans to establish a regional hub at Kansai International Airport by spring 2014.

This has to be the best thing to happen to KIX since....it was built?



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 27046 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
This is interesting. I would love to know why the second Asian hub. Is China being difficult with expansion?

Same reason MEM is not the only FX hub in the United States. There is IND as the number two hub, and also regional hubs at AFW, OAK, EWR...This new hub will streamline ops in the Japan/Korea area, CAN will still be the big one in East Asia overall.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
But these were already stored aircraft... FedEx would have to order even more 767s to replace all the MD10s. There is no doubt that new build 767s would help operations, but I do not see the cost justification of replacing the full MD10 fleet for a while.

Not all the 10s are clunkers. You are right, but I think FX will probably try to finally park the remainder of the 10-30s which have been dwindling away anyway, and ditch the few (I think six-ish) really ancient 10-10s they still have flying around.


User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1034 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 26689 times:

Quoting bigbird (Reply 7):
If I am not mistaken, when the final 727 is gone from the FX fleet they will have operated the type longer than any other operator. Pleas correct me if I am wrong.

Possibly - when is the last FedEx 727 scheduled for retirement?

FedEx has been operating the 727 since 1978 - a total of 34 years. Northwest flew them from 1964 to 2003, a total of 39 years so they have a ways to go.


User currently offlinefxra From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 700 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 25218 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
This is interesting. I would love to know why the second Asian hub. Is China being difficult with expansion?

I can't speak specifically for FDX, but flying as a foreign cargo carrier in China can be a pain. Generally, the ATC facilities are over burdened, especially when there's weather in the area. Routes are so restricted, especiallyfor foreign carriers that we're allowed to fly one way, and one way only, regardless of weather. Add to that, the Chinese give departure preferrence to Chinese carriers, then foreign pax, then lowly American boxhaulers. I'd also guess that it helps that US carriers have more leeway in beyond rights in Japan than China (Hence UAL/NWAs hubs there)

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 22):
FedEx has been operating the 727 since 1978 - a total of 34 years. Northwest flew them from 1964 to 2003, a total of 39 years so they have a ways to go.

in my experience, B727's are built like tanks. Great for freighters, esp the re-engined ones. ANd you can get a lot on them for the size. ALways hated that far back belly though. The advantage wih the 727's were they didn't have a lot of the electronics the Airbii and MD's have that like to randomly stop working. I'll miss 727's when their gone from the skies, but 3 engines/3 pilots cost a lot.



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User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 24191 times:

With the establishment of the new hub at KIX, will FedEx shift some of its international operations (specifically from ANC) to KIX? It seems to make more sense because it is closer to ANC, and it seems to be a waste of time for packages bound for Asia to be sent to CAN and then back to KIX. Please excuse my ignorance: I'm not very familiar with cargo operations.

25 RobK : Does anyone know what the chances are of seeing the 757s on the BQN runs from IND and GSO in the future? The routes are currently op by MD10s and A310
26 HPRamper : Absolutely. It's supposed to simplify intra-Asia ops so I would definitely think KIX will take over some of the transload business from ANC. I was ac
27 blueflyer : The purpose of a regional hub such as KIX is to bypass intercontinental hubs like CAN. While some packages may go through KIX and CAN, most will go t
28 cmf : I don't understand this statement. The impairment charge is just a consequence of a decision. It was deemed cheaper to get rid of those planes than p
29 SRT75 : A bit off topic, but I assume there are no cabotage rules for cargo? In other words, I assume an American carrier could operate intra- and inter-coun
30 skymiler : Are not some of the B727's the last new manufacture before Boeing shut down the line?
31 boeingfixer : The last 15 B727's off the production line went to FedEx. Cheers, John
32 LAXintl : There certainly are restrictions on cargo carriage also. These authorities are handled in parallel manner as passenger negotiations in bilateral agre
33 wrenchon727 : Their are only five of the last built 727 fling with FedEx. With 39 active 727 they will be around until 2014. It will be a race to the end for the 7
34 UTAH744 : It is great news for KIX, but is it for FedEx? The main reason KIX did not grow as planned was because it had some of the highest landing fees in the
35 HPRamper : Fedex these days is looking at every penny they spend so I'm pretty confident they see a good profit margin at KIX, high landing fees notwithstanding
36 United787 : I could imagine that with the addition of FedEx and the increased movements, KIX could afford to negotiate lower fees for FedEx...maybe once they get
37 TheSonntag : Slightly off-topic, but do those 727s still use a 3-people crew with flight engineer and JT8D-s?
38 KC135TopBoom : Yes, but Raisbeck Stage 3 Noise Reduction Systems hush kits were added in the 1990s.
39 braniff722 : You guys better get busy snapping pics of the 722's while they're still here. The 310's...............eh! Really hate seeing the sun setting on the 72
40 PHX787 : How many are left in the fleet? I expected to see these shed sooner or later. The 757 conversions do the job much better. When I read this I half-exp
41 HPRamper : Airfleets shows 70 active, 23 stored (of which I doubt they will ever come out at this point). Don't know how accurate that is. I think it's just a m
42 Post contains images lightsaber : Thank you. That was the type of answer I was looking for. I agree the charge is just a consequence of the decision. However, FedEx could have delayed
43 HPRamper : I think that is where the "depreciation" thing comes in. I don't know enough about finances to say, but from what I gather, it would cost more to wai
44 bmibaby737 : I believe 68 MD-10 are left flying.
45 Post contains images cmf : Better to bite the bullet than paying more by spreading it out over longer time.
46 cf6ppe : NO..!! Raisbeck Stage 3 Noise Reduction Systems hush kits YES..!! PWA (Pratt & Whitney) and FedEx hush kits were added to the JT8D-15,-15A,-17,-1
47 nycdave : Awww I'll be sad to see the 727 fly off into history... I still think it's got one of the "sexiest" silhouettes of any jetliner. What a workhorse, too
48 PHX787 : Is this the last operator of the MD10?
49 Spacepope : It's the ONLY operator of the MD-10
50 RayChuang : I'm not surprised that FedEx is opening a hub at KIX. Besides increasing the utilization of the airport, KIX could build a rail spur off the JR West p
51 FX1816 : Given that FDX doesn't seem to want 757's with winglets I would assume the AA 752's are out the window along with the DAL and UAL/COA 752's with wing
52 jporterfi : Perhaps he was referring to the difference in sound between a 722 and a DC10/MD10 (which, according to you, have the same engine sound)?
53 cf6ppe : Sorry that I didn't make that clear enough. But the three CF6-6Ds on a -10 frame or the three CF6-50C2s on a -30 frame just have a different sound wi
54 ha763 : KIX has drastically reduced its landing fees several years ago. They are now lower than NRT. The cut in landing fees was done in part to attract LCCs
55 HKG212 : Expansion is not the issue. I have it on good authority that ATC at CAN is far more restrictive than FedEx had anticipated, in terms of the spacing o
56 FX1816 : What? Where did I say that the 727 and DC/MD10 sound the same? It was late and I thought he said something about the DC/MD10 sounding different. Rela
57 jetskipper : Is it to be assumed that all B-727 runs will be replaced by B-757?
58 HPRamper : Eventually, yes, except in some extreme cases where it is deemed more efficient to completely pull trunk aircraft out of the market and serve it via
59 PHX787 : There are a number of proposals to finally compromise with the protesters of the 60s still living there to 1) expand the B runway so it could be as l
60 jr : I am sure some MD11s will also replace MD10s as 777s take over routes flown by the MD11.
61 United_fan : I know DL has some non-wingletted 757's ,not sure how long they're going to keep them. Looking forward to seeing some 'new' FX metal in ROC.Not compla
62 HPRamper : Already happening. Markets that formerly were for example 2x MD10 1x 727 become 1x MD10 1x MD11. This in turn makes it possible for FX to retire thos
63 United_fan : 757's would be nice. We hardly ever see them.
64 lightsaber : What is the 777F delivery rate to FedEx? Interesting. NRT slots are too precious to expand to a 'hub' there. Better freight will improve under-belly
65 HPRamper : Nope, that's how FedEx handles declining volume. Express freight is way down domestically from what it used to be. Ground is waaaay up but that volum
66 Stitch : They seem to take them either in singles or sets of two: 25-Sep-09 24-Nov-09 11-Dec-09 2-Mar-10 4-Aug-10 12-Aug-10 3-Sep-10 9-Sep-10 14-Oct-10 24-Feb
67 teneriffe77 : I wonder what will replace the 722 that Fedex uses on the BTV-SYR-EWR route?
68 Post contains links ha763 : I should have checked on the second terminal plans before I posted. It is already under construction on the second island and will be a LCC terminal.
69 Post contains images lightsaber : Good point. But at some point it would be worth it for FedEx to either certify winglets on the freighters or 'unconvert' wingleted freighters (unlike
70 LAXintl : Fedex deferred 11 777 orders last December when it placed the 767-300F order. Remaining 777 deliveries announced at the time were 4 for 2012, and 2 fo
71 HPRamper : I've never really heard a straight answer to the question of why FX doesn't simply integrate, as UPS always has been.
72 fxra : In a word... Teamsters. If FedEx put all volume on one driver, the employee drivers (Express) would most likely fall out from under the RLA and that
73 Post contains links LAXintl : More cuts planned at Fedex - FedEx to slash costs as global outlook dim http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/.../19/us-fedex-idUSBRE85I0O220120619 Slug
74 Ups Pilot : Sooner or later Fred is going to have to integrate. Ups is killing Fed Ex in profit margins because so much air goes ground. The efficiency of UPS net
75 HPRamper : It's the difference between Fedex Express and Fedex Ground. At the moment Express is barely making a profit while Ground effectively subsidizes the e
76 Ups Pilot : Hp Ramper- I agree with what you posted. In 1998 when the FDX pilots threatened to strike, they should have included the FDX couriers. They should hav
77 United_fan : True,FX used to buy used planes and run them . Now ,they are buying new.. They did wait too long to order 757's,now they have to settle for used plan
78 something : Is there any airport with excellent photography access where one could ideally catch all three (DC10, A310, 722) aircraft in question within a short p
79 columba : Well, don´t know if this is still up to date but when I used to live in New Jersey for a few months I them in Newark quite often. Not so sure about
80 JohnJ : You could see as many of those three aircraft types at MEM as your memory card could hold, plus plenty of MD-11, A300, 757 and even a few 777 for good
81 HPRamper : UPS started the entire business. Fedex was always going to be behind. It's all about marketing and perception. UPS has always been the volume leader
82 LAXintl : So what happens with FX overall cost structure if it truly merges the ground and express air sides ? I've always understood one of the reasons ground
83 PHX787 : How many of the 77Fs will be based in KIX ?
84 Ups Pilot : Right now Fred has one driver who has to deliver express. He then has to pay contractors to deliver ground and at home. He has to pay pilots to fly e
85 HPRamper : FX is doing this as we speak. A lot of things are being tweaked on the Express side of the company. And it is not Kinko's or Fedex Kinko's anymore, i
86 blueflyer : I agree with most of what you wrote, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. TNT isn't huge in Asia (4th in market share), although it will make a sign
87 United727 : Are we going to see a mass Exodus with B75's as we did with the B72's from 1999 to 2002? I mean in terms of transition from PAX carriers to FE?
88 HPRamper : No, simply because FX already has the majority of the 727s already replaced. The only reason they would need more than a dozen or so 757s is if they
89 Post contains links Ups Pilot : http://fedxmx.com Fed Ex moving from one pension to another? This move has you paying Fed Ex for your retirement. This new plan you contribute into th
90 Ups Pilot : I never said UPS does not do this. They do but not nearly to the extent of Fed Ex. You can see that by the total number of aircraft operated. For ins
91 Ups Pilot : So your saying there isn't a class action suit for age discrimination when FedEx Express singled out older couriers and fired them? Here is a quote f
92 HPRamper : FX offers a 401k PLUS pension. I have both. I get statements monthly. The 401k is a company match of the first 6% which is fairly standard. And I get
93 Ups Pilot : Honestly I don't have much room to talk. UPS is difficult and like you said it varies from manager to manager. My only issue is the business model Fre
94 FX1816 : Zero, FDX isn't the only one acquiring new planes from Boeing so it's pretty ridiculous to think that Boeing would have to let go of workers if FDX c
95 CosmicCruiser : Yeah, I've had beers with some of your guys in places around the world and they seem to tell a different story.
96 Ups Pilot : So are you saying that Boeing will keep people working if orders get canceled? 10 BILLION dollars in orders canceled wouldn't affect Boeng? It wouldn
97 Ups Pilot : Please elaborate? A couple of beers at F Street? If they did they wouldn't have caved when Fred threatened to fire them and use leased planes and cre
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