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Bwia L-1011 Replacement Due Second Quartar 2002  
User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 919 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Hey,

I just read at BWIA's new site that two new widebodied aircraft will be in service by 2002 second quartar. Does anyone know what aircraft this will be? A330, A340, 767,777? Lets hope its a good aircraft so they can replace the L-1011's and put them to rest.

Regards,

BWIA330

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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

They're looking at the 767-300ER, A300-200 and A340. They've been in talks with Air Canada with a view to acquiring some of its excess aircraft (763s?)

User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

Thanks for the info,

Do you have a source to this? The last I heard is that they were in talks with Air Canada to take some A340's from them.

Regards,

BWIA330


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

I don't know what aircraft they're taking from Air Canada. I just assumed the 763s. They might take some 343s from them, though. I do know that they are in talks with Boeing about new 763s and considering their 737NGs, that might be a likely option. The A340-300 or even the -200 might be too big a capasity jump from the Tristars. The 767-300 is less of a jump.

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6202 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

Thank God they are thinking of replacing those L-1011's soon, eventhough the L-1011 is a great aircraft BWIA is loosing money with tnem . It is also bringing problems with delayed flights and cancelled flights. I think BWIA will go for the A340-300.
Chepos
Puerto Rico



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User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

Hey,

If the 767 is a good option. Then the A330-200 and A330-300 is a good option too. But I agree with Chepos that they will go with the A340. But its only a guess. And yes the Tristar does cost them a fortune to fly accross to London everytime. I dont understand why they are going to start Manchester with the L-10's. I think it is just going to put them in more debt. They should wait for the new widebodied aircraft to start the route and then it would be a lucrative deal.

What do you all think.

Regards,

BWIA330


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

The Bwia livery would look SO COOL on any aircraft they took. And if they're considering the A340, why not the 777? It would suit them and Boeing would like them to have an all-Boeing fleet.

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6202 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

BWIA I also think that they should wait thill they get the newer widebodies and then start the service to Manchester . Like you said this will drain money from them instead of giving them a profit.
Chepos
Puerto Rico



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User currently offlineBA DC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1176 times:


I think they will probably take the A342, that A343 would give them toooo much capacity I think. Maybe they could take the 777, but they would have to wait longer to get the a/c wouldn't they? As the wait for 777's is gettin longer...


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

That's all very well, people, but where are they going to get the money from? The IPO last year was a flop; they have run into serious problems with the cutbacks, and the staff want better pay.

At least some good news from Sunjet House ... it seems like Conrad Aleong may well be quitting soon!


User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3866 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1147 times:

I thought that BWIA, some time ago, had firm orders for A340-300's.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1145 times:

I don't think they've placed orders for 343s, and if they did, they've certainly canceled them. If they're short of cash, then maybe some of Air Canada's surplus equipment may be suitable? 763s? 343s?

User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1139 times:

I have no idea what they are going to get.. but assuming that they want to preserve commonality in their fleet as most other airlines do.. then they might go for Boeing aircraft.. I seriously doubt the 777 is an option with BWIA so I would think the 763 is their choice.. lets see what happens..


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User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1134 times:

Hey,

Yes BWIA did have firm orders I believe in 96 for two A340-300's but then they were cancelled and Virgin Atlantic took over that order. They were aiming for an all airbus fleet back in 96/97 with the A321's and the A340's.

Lets hope to see a good replacement soon.

Regards,

BWIA330


User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1346 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

I don't see why the 340-300 would not suit them. Yes it would have more capacity than the L1011, but it is still cheaper to fly a 340 than an L15 over the Atlantic, whatever the capacity. It would allow them to reduce prices a bit and perhaps win some market share from BA/VS on the LON-ANU/UVF/BGI markets.

User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

Hey,

Yeah I agree with you. It is cheaper for them to get the A340-300 then to keep the L-1011's. I think the only problem that is keeping them back is the financing of these widebodied aircraft. I think they might end up taking two of Air Canada's A340's.


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1088 times:

I really wonder what will happen. The A340s may be more efficient than the TriStars but there would go any chance of fleet commonality, given the presence of the 737-800s. A Boeing seems more sensible and thus the 767-300 would appear to be the best bet. I think though that the A330-200 is likely to be the ultimate choice.

A TAB-MAN service at this time is not in BWIA's best interest as far as profits are concerned - TAB is being dropped by some British travel agents due to poor demand so why increase capacity?

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1068 times:

Hey Trintocan,

I agree with you with the A330-200 being the ultimate choice. Though I heard that they cannot afford new planes and they are looking to lease from the second hand market. What airline is leasing their A330-200's? Do you know of any? I bet BWIA would take those A330's in a flash.


Regards,

BWIA330


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1065 times:

BeeWee barely have enough cash to pay their staff ... there's [b]no way[/b] that they will have enough money for any new kit! Yes, the lessors of the two oldest AC A340s looked at leasing them to BW, but ran a mile when they saw BW's financials.

Strangely, a company called 'CAA' has no problems getting paid by Sunjet House ... I wonder why?? Big grin Big grin Big grin


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1060 times:

Actually there is a fleet-common factor with A340s and 737-800s.
Although whats hung on the latter are newer versions, they are both powered by CFM-56 engines.

But only BWee's bean counters would know what the relative monetary advantages are with all the possible combos:
767+738
340+738
330+738



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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (12 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1036 times:

That engine commonality is actually a good point favouring the A340 which I did not think about before. I still think that the A330-200 will be the choice. However, the A340 would certainly enable BWee to better compete with BA and VS.

Trintocan.



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