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UA Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type  
User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 755 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16519 times:

It's been a while since I last posted one of these threads, so I spent some of my free time over the last few weeks looking through the schedules for the four US-based legacy airlines and gathering the following numbers.

To ensure a fair comparison, I used the same date for all four airlines: Thursday, July 26, 2012. I like using Thursdays because they seem to me to be the most "average", although they usually tend to be more of a peak day than not. Data was gathered from the UA and US online timetables, the AA booking engine, and the DL desktop timetable. There will undoubtedly be further minor tweaks to the schedules, but I would expect this to be a fairly accurate representation of what the peak summer schedule will look like.

For each legacy carrier, I will show the data for all stations with 100+ departures. Due to the number of stations for some airlines (DL and UA), I will create a separate thread for each to keep it manageable. Also, I'm grouping aircraft by body type (not differentiating engines, interiors, ETOPS, etc.) to simplify things. For example, I won't differentiate M82 from M83 (if there's a difference in the frame, I'm unaware of it...), but I will denote M88 and M90 separately. I'm sorry if that bothers you. Additionally, I'm going to use the same aircraft codes across all the threads for consistency's sake (for example, I'll note 737-700 as 73G for all airlines, even though DL uses the 73W code). Once again, sorry if that bothers you.

Here is the data for UA:


IAH

SF3: 3
DH4: 7
ER4: 307
CRJ: 10
CR7: 45
E70: 2
319: 8
320: 16
735: 25
73G: 31
738: 99
739: 48
752: 23
753: 9
762: 3
763: 2
764: 7
777: 4

Total: 649


ORD

ER4: 211
CRJ: 68
CR7: 100
E70: 45
319: 53
320: 67
735: 4
73G: 4
738: 13
739: 17
752: 40
763: 10
777: 8
744: 2

Total: 642


EWR

DH2: 26
DH3: 13
DH4: 32
ER4: 130
E70: 31
319: 8
320: 12
735: 14
73G: 12
738: 72
739: 23
752: 44
753: 3
762: 1
763: 5
764: 7
777: 11

Total: 444


DEN

EM2: 7
ER4: 85
CRJ: 112
CR7: 70
E70: 19
319: 26
320: 45
735: 1
73G: 3
738: 17
739: 13
752: 35
753: 3
763: 3
777: 1

Total: 440


SFO

EM2: 68
CRJ: 49
CR7: 37
319: 36
320: 34
73G: 4
738: 19
739: 8
752: 47
753: 3
763: 9
764: 1
777: 8
744: 7

Total: 330


IAD

SF3: 27
DH4: 21
ER4: 69
CRJ: 33
CR7: 38
E70: 8
319: 16
320: 27
735: 1
73G: 1
738: 5
739: 2
752: 20
753: 2
763: 7
764: 1
777: 14

Total: 292


LAX

EM2: 55
ER4: 1
CRJ: 27
CR7: 27
319: 7
320: 29
73G: 3
738: 13
739: 5
752: 35
753: 16
777: 4
744: 1

Total: 223


CLE

BEH: 11
DH2: 33
DH3: 7
DH4: 1
ER4: 102
CRJ: 3
CR7: 8
319: 2
320: 6
735: 3
73G: 3
738: 11
739: 11

Total: 201


SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
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User currently offlineN8911E From United States of America, joined May 2012, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16467 times:

Thank you for the info.. Does anybody know if UA is going to put a 744 on the SFO-ORD run this summer.. IIRC, they didn't have it for Summer 2011, but they did for Summer 2010. I am of course speaking of the early morning flight (6am)

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16433 times:

23 752 flights @ IAH is like 3x what it use to be...very good.


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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2436 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16432 times:

Quoting N8911E (Reply 1):
Thank you for the info.. Does anybody know if UA is going to put a 744 on the SFO-ORD run this summer.. IIRC, they didn't have it for Summer 2011, but they did for Summer 2010. I am of course speaking of the early morning flight (6am)

It's not currently in the schedule. I don't expect to see it. UA's 747 fleet has shrunk by 4 frames since 2010 (if my math is correct) but many of the 'usual suspects' still have 747 service, so the fleet is stretched about as thin as UA wants to have it to maintain dispatch reliability.


User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16332 times:

Quoting N8911E (Reply 1):
Does anybody know if UA is going to put a 744 on the SFO-ORD run this summer..

You do realize it's already June, right  .



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16309 times:

In terms of number of seats, which is larger, IAH or ORD?


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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 755 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16161 times:

Quoting N8911E (Reply 1):
Does anybody know if UA is going to put a 744 on the SFO-ORD run this summer..

The only widebodies on ORD-SFO as of the summer are 763s. 3x westbound and 1x eastbound I believe...

Also, as of the date I used for the data above (late July), the 744 won't be on ORD-FRA anymore. ORD-FRA will be 2x 777.

Only 744 routes from ORD will be ORD-NRT and ORD-HKG. It's really low utilization though, as the ORD-NRT and ORD-HKG flight depart an hour or two before the NRT-ORD and HKG-ORD arrive, so it's a 20+ hour turn/RON for both aircraft at ORD.



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User currently offlineN782NC From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16043 times:

Impressive that SFO jumped from about 270 to 330 daily departures in a single year.

Knowing how bad UA needs gates right now, what ever happened to their plan to place all SoCal departures in Terminal 1? I haven't heard anything about it since it was announced and there's not any mention of it on SFO's website.

[Edited 2012-06-05 21:25:45]


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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2436 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15909 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 6):

Also, as of the date I used for the data above (late July), the 744 won't be on ORD-FRA anymore. ORD-FRA will be 2x 777.

Yes, sadly mine was one of those affected. The seat map shows an IPTE 777 but there is always the possibility that an old one will sneak into the schedule. I'll also miss 1A  !


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15815 times:

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
IAD

SF3: 27

I didn't know that many Saab 340Bs were operated for UA! Where do they fly them to out of IAD? Airports a very short distance away like BWI, RIC, ORF and CRW?


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15738 times:

So that's 10 total 744 flights a day with a fleet of, what, 24?????

Doesn't seem to bode well for the need of a 744 sized aircraft...


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15717 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):

Keep in mind that the airports on the other end of the 744 routes aren't listed here. Because the routes are so long, wouldn't they need two aircraft for every city pair? Based on that logic, it would turn into 20 utilized aircraft, with 4 not being utilized, which is not so bad. Please feel free to correct me if my logic is flawed.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5736 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15692 times:

Out of interest, how are they rotating the 2 747s needed for LAX-SYD-MEL in and out of LAX? Via SYD?

Looking at the timetable LAX-SYD-MEL-SYD-SFO and SFO-SYD-LAX are definitely doable, or are they using an occasional sub on a domestic flight?



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User currently offlineBeardown91737 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15601 times:

The 744s are on TPAC from SFO and LAX, plus SFO-FRA. All 10.5 to 13.5 hour flights times. That puts the utilization in a different perspective than if they were doing EWR-LHR all day.


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User currently offlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15594 times:

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
LAX:ER4: 1

Makes me wonder where this ER4 goes and whom operates it. Is it a Mexico run, like in the CO days, or is it a funny one-off IAH run?



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User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1390 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15526 times:

CLE
Mainline: 36
RJ: 113
Prop: 52

DEN
Mainline: 147
RJ: 286
Prop: 7

EWR
Mainline: 212
RJ: 161
Prop: 71

IAD
Mainline: 96
RJ: 148
Prop: 48

IAH
Mainline: 275
RJ: 364
Prop: 10

LAX
Mainline: 113
RJ: 55
Prop: 55

ORD
Mainline: 218
RJ: 424
Prop: 0

SFO
Mainline: 176
RJ: 86
Prop: 68


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15468 times:

Quoting KLASM83 (Reply 14):

It goes to DGO. LAX-DGO is operated as flight 4323 on Fridays and flight 4518 on Sundays. DGO-LAX is operated as flight 4153 on one Saturday (1st Saturday of the month maybe? I'm not exactly sure how that section of the timetable works.) and as flight 4707 on the remaining Saturdays and on Thursdays. The flights are operated by EV (ExpressJet) as a CO contract.


User currently offlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15411 times:

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 16):

Ok, I see how that works, now. Just like the old times. Thanks for the info!



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User currently offlinejetskipper From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 15268 times:

It looks like ORD lost all of their LCAL 757-300 flights.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14799 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 5):
In terms of number of seats, which is larger, IAH or ORD?
Quoting ADent (Reply 15):
IAH
Mainline: 275
Quoting ADent (Reply 15):
ORD
Mainline: 218

IAH has nearly 60 more daily mainline flights vs. ORD, that pretty much answers your question.



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14276 times:

In terms of WB only : (sad that LAX mini-hub only has 5)

SFO (25)

763: 9
764: 1
777: 8
744: 7

EWR (24)

762: 1
763: 5
764: 7
777: 11

IAD (22)

763: 7
764: 1
777: 14

ORD (20)

763: 10
777: 8
744: 2

IAH (16)

762: 3
763: 2
764: 7
777: 4

LAX (5)

777: 4
744: 1

DEN (4)

763: 3
777: 1

CLE (0)


User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3429 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14028 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
So that's 10 total 744 flights a day with a fleet of, what, 24?????

Doesn't seem to bode well for the need of a 744 sized aircraft...

They do fly the longer stage legnths, however I feel like there are always 2-4 sitting at the ORD MTC center.

How many 762's remain? only 1 flt out of EWR for the summer.


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 755 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13744 times:

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 9):
I didn't know that many Saab 340Bs were operated for UA! Where do they fly them to out of IAD?

CKB, CRW, MGW, BKW, SHD, CHO, JST, AOO, SCE, ABE, BGM. Also currently HPN but that service is ending before the date I used for the above data.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 16):
It goes to DGO. LAX-DGO is operated as flight 4323 on Fridays and flight 4518 on Sundays. DGO-LAX is operated as flight 4153 on one Saturday (1st Saturday of the month maybe? I'm not exactly sure how that section of the timetable works.) and as flight 4707 on the remaining Saturdays and on Thursdays. The flights are operated by EV (ExpressJet) as a CO contract.

   Yeah, it only got included in this report since it departs in the wee hours of the morning on Friday, which I figured was more like Thursday from a spotting perspective...



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User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13706 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 21):
How many 762's remain? only 1 flt out of EWR for the summer.

According to planespotters.net and airfleets.net, 7 are in active service, but I'm not sure how accurate that information is. They are N76151, N73152, N76153, N69154, N67158, N68159, and N68160.


User currently offlinecle757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13548 times:

CLE has a few 757's as well


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User currently offlinewilsonleiser From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13142 times:

Does anyone know what flight does the 764 operate out of IAD?

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2436 posts, RR: 6
Reply 26, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13103 times:

Quoting wilsonleiser (Reply 25):
Does anyone know what flight does the 764 operate out of IAD?

IAD-HNL.


User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 27, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13193 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
So that's 10 total 744 flights a day with a fleet of, what, 24?????

Doesn't seem to bode well for the need of a 744 sized aircraft...

For what it's worth, UA880/UA879 NRT-HNL-NRT will be upgauged from a B772 to a B744 starting tomorrow (8 June), and will remain on that route for the summer season.

Coincidentally, UA882/UA881 NRT-SIN-NRT will be downgauged from a B744 to a B772 starting tomorrow (8 June), although I am uncertain whether the B744 will return on this sector at the end of the season.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6663 posts, RR: 9
Reply 28, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13072 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 2):

What's also interesting is how SFO has 3 more 757 flights than EWR (47 vs. 44). I thought EWR would have had the most because of the TATL routings but looks like they took a few off.

Quoting jetskipper (Reply 18):

Yeah what happened to those?

Quoting cle757 (Reply 24):

Are they still on the skeds for the summer? It's not listed by the OP



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User currently offlineairzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 12766 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 20):
In terms of WB only : (sad that LAX mini-hub only has 5)

True but LAX is also getting a bunch more 753 flying. An ASM comparison would be interesting.


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12160 times:

Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 13):
That puts the utilization in a different perspective than if they were doing EWR-LHR all day.

Could they do two full LHR turns in that same time, or just one and a fraction of trip #2?

Quoting wilsonleiser (Reply 25):
Does anyone know what flight does the 764 operate out of IAD?

Offhand the 76H will run the IAD-HNL flight, as those are specifically tasked for HNL work. But we may eventually see some come onto European routes too.


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2436 posts, RR: 6
Reply 31, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12175 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 30):

Offhand the 76H will run the IAD-HNL flight, as those are specifically tasked for HNL work. But we may eventually see some come onto European routes too.

Correct, but the 76H will remain in the EWR/IAH/IAD/SFO-HNL rotation. The 12 internationally-configured 764s (all soon to have flat beds, AVOD, power throughout) are candidates for some IAD service down the road.


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11555 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 31):
Correct, but the 76H will remain in the EWR/IAH/IAD/SFO-HNL rotation. The 12 internationally-configured 764s (all soon to have flat beds, AVOD, power throughout) are candidates for some IAD service down the road.

Good catch - didn't mean to imply the H's would see int'l service! But I'd have to belief some of those IAD routes are candidates for 764 int'l birds. IIRC and if Seat Guru is to be believed, those are a slightly less premium-heavy config than 763's and PMUA 777's, so that would seem ideal for some of the routes with less premium demand.


User currently offlineizbtmnhd From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11434 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 28):

I see UA993 CLE-SEA as a 757-200 currently in flight.


User currently offlineN960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 34, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10362 times:

Yes, strange to see the lack of widebodies out of LAX, although I guess the 753 is the domestic 763 replacement. Sad for us that love the 2-3-2 of the 767 when in E/E+ but I guess best to use the 763 for their range. To compare, LAXIAD in terms of widebodies: (at the start of 2012) had 2x 777 and 1x 763, now it's down to 1x 777. IADLAX was usually a morning 763 and afternoon 777, now it's just the 777. However, today and tomorrow a 744 is on the route!

User currently offlineizbtmnhd From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10009 times:

Quoting izbtmnhd (Reply 33):

Also see UA1160 LAS-CLE as a 757-300

Maybe it changes in July?


User currently offlineN8911E From United States of America, joined May 2012, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9983 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 4):
You do realize it's already June, right

Yeah, but it feels like late July/early August around here already   lol


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 37, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9215 times:

Hey FSDAN, thanks for the threads. Really appreciate the work, they're really interesting to digest and discuss. Keep them up!..

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 28):
What's also interesting is how SFO has 3 more 757 flights than EWR (47 vs. 44). I thought EWR would have had the most because of the TATL routings but looks like they took a few off.

The 757-300s have been pulled from EWR big time, obviously to support the West Coast-Hawaii flying. EWR-MCO alone usually flies with between 5-9 757-300s year round. Add 2 or 3 for LAS, another 2 or 3 for LAX and SFO, plus FLL, SJU, SDQ, PBI, IAH etc.. The 757-300s will probably make their way back to ORD and EWR in bigger numbers for the Winter season to Florida.

Last Summer EWR had 46 757-200 and 9 757-300 flights;

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5121141/



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8294 times:
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Quoting jetskipper (Reply 18):
It looks like ORD lost all of their LCAL 757-300 flights.
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 28):
Yeah what happened to those?

One each: to IAD-DEN; IAD-LAX, and IAD-SFO


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6663 posts, RR: 9
Reply 39, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7828 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 37):

As a result, more 752s to EWR. PMUA will serve BOS, LAX, SFO, DEN, SEA, MCO, ORD, TPA, LAS on and off throughout the summer to pick up the slack of the lost 753s. Plus PMCO 757s will be on the usual suspects PBI, MIA, DEN, SFO, LAX, MCO and ORD (new)



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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 755 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

Quoting cle757 (Reply 24):
CLE has a few 757's as well

Apparently they are going away during the peak summer schedule. I guarantee at least 99% accuracy on these threads  
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 28):
Are they still on the skeds for the summer?

No.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 37):
Hey FSDAN, thanks for the threads. Really appreciate the work, they're really interesting to digest and discuss. Keep them up!

Thanks! I hope to keep posting them periodically. I think it's an interesting barometer of how the industry is changing and how mergers affect aircraft distribution among the hubs.



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7182 times:

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
DEN

...

Total: 440

For all of the talk of UA downsizing (or rightsizing) the DEN hub, isn't this 440 number about the same amount of flights pre-merger that UA/CO had together at DEN?

 


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 42, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7112 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 41):
For all of the talk of UA downsizing (or rightsizing) the DEN hub, isn't this 440 number about the same amount of flights pre-merger that UA/CO had together at DEN?

approx half of that 440 is from 50-seater or smaller. i'm guessing the "downsizing" comes from down gauging, but keep the frequency (the only card UA can play)

not that i enjoy all those RJs left and right


User currently offlinecapitalflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6714 times:

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 9):
Saab 340B

I think these will be on their way out as Colgan is under the pall of the Pinnacle bankruptcy. With it will probably go service to some of these close by small city destinations.


User currently offlinecapitalflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6677 times:

Quoting ADent (Reply 15):
EWR
Mainline: 212
RJ: 161
Prop: 71

IAD
Mainline: 96
RJ: 148
Prop: 48

I would expect EWR will send its RJs and props to IAD while adding mainline over time.


User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6679 times:

I thought UA had 744 on ORD-LHR morning flight?

User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 755 posts, RR: 2
Reply 46, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 45):
I thought UA had 744 on ORD-LHR morning flight?

I don't believe there is a UA ORD-LHR morning flight... and no ORD-Europe 744s this summer.



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User currently offlineUnited777ORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5806 times:

Will UA keep the current number of flights at CLE through the end of the year or will they begin to downsize CLE in the fall?

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2436 posts, RR: 6
Reply 48, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5787 times:

Quoting United777ORD (Reply 47):
Will UA keep the current number of flights at CLE through the end of the year or will they begin to downsize CLE in the fall?

I don't think United has given any indication that they will downsize CLE. To the contrary, the public statements made by the company's leadership have been quite positive.

Of course, seasonal reductions in capacity for the slower part of the year are assured. Nevertheless, that they are operating about 20% more flights on peak-days than their contractual minimum of 170 bodes well for the hub.


User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5495 posts, RR: 7
Reply 49, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5575 times:

Quoting United777ORD (Reply 47):
Will UA keep the current number of flights at CLE through the end of the year or will they begin to downsize CLE in the fall?

The betting seems to be on downsizing. In another thread, the poster translates CLE flights into seats, namely 12,900. This is interesting considering CLE's O&D has ranged between 10,000 and 15,000 over good times and bad. Assuming its at the low end of that range currently, it's fair to estimate that UA currently is running a load factor approaching 70% just on O&D. It makes the flow traffic from hubbing trivial.

One ominous sign is that CLE-IAD frequency is slated to rise from four to six in August; that argues for further near-term elimination of smaller spoke routes to the southeast like ATL, GSP, CLT, RIC, and maybe RDU.

[Edited 2012-06-07 12:19:56]


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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5544 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 49):
he betting seems to be on downsizing. In another thread, the poster translates CLE flights into seats, namely 12,900. This is interesting considering CLE's O&D has ranged between 10,000 and 15,000 over good times and bad

My own personal feeling is that UA will continue with CLE to milk it for all of the O&D profit it can get there. And it will continue to call CLE a hub..... even it reduces flights somewhat. So long as there is profit in the O&D, and the schedules can be coordinated to allow for some connections, why give up a hub?

I also do believe that UA will eventually funnel some of the CLE traffic to ORD if it can as well, which would account for why any reductions would occur (and again, that's assuming that they do). But in the long run, (and just guessing here) I think that on it's own with O&D, CLE could still easily be a +150 flights a day there, and that would be well enough to maintain a hub status with UA.

All the best for CLE

 


User currently offlinetoxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 37):
The 757-300s have been pulled from EWR big time

I don't recall the 300's ever were used much at EWR. Traditionally, the airplane is deployed in markets out of Houston - LAX, MCO, ORD, LAS, SEA, etc. This summer, there's been a cutback in favor of the smaller 200's and the 737-900. As it is, CO should have more than 300 mainline flights a day out of its top hub and 700 overall; with fuel prices headed down, there should be more markets that are profitable than they were assuming back when WTI was over $100 a barrel. So the Summer will be less profitable than it could have been.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 52, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5456 times:

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 51):
don't recall the 300's ever were used much at EWR.

EWR-MCO alone would run with 9 daily 757-300s during the Winter.



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User currently offlineUnited777ORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 50):
I also do believe that UA will eventually funnel some of the CLE traffic to ORD if it can as well, which would account for why any reductions would occur (and again, that's assuming that they do). But in the long run, (and just guessing here) I think that on it's own with O&D, CLE could still easily be a +150 flights a day there, and that would be well enough to maintain a hub status with UA.

All the best for CLE

I could see CLE remain a hub for UA with 125-150+ daily flights. However, with a potential AA/US merger on the horizon and the possibility of AA downsizing at ORD would UA shift some of the CLE traffic to ORD or would UA just increase the amount of flights at ORD? Currently, AA has 501 daily flights and UA has 642 daily flights scheduled for the 2012 summer at ORD. I don't believe a combined AA/US would have over 500 daily flights at ORD; rather somewhere around 400 daily flights. It would be nice if UA could increase the number of daily flights at ORD to the 700-750 range and at the same time keep CLE at 150+ daily flights.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 54, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 51):
I don't recall the 300's ever were used much at EWR. Traditionally, the airplane is deployed in markets out of Houston - LAX, MCO, ORD, LAS, SEA, etc. This summer, there's been a cutback in favor of the smaller 200's and the 737-900. As it is, CO should have more than 300 mainline flights a day out of its top hub and 700 overall; with fuel prices headed down, there should be more markets that are profitable than they were assuming back when WTI was over $100 a barrel. So the Summer will be less profitable than it could have been.

EWR is my home base, and I could definitely attest that the 753 was used heavily on SFO/LAX/EWR, among others.

That was the bygone era ... now they're being replaced by A319 with dinky tiny F cabins that Global Services can't clear.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7688 posts, RR: 25
Reply 55, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Quoting United777ORD (Reply 53):
I could see CLE remain a hub for UA with 125-150+ daily flights. However, with a potential AA/US merger on the horizon and the possibility of AA downsizing at ORD would UA shift some of the CLE traffic to ORD or would UA just increase the amount of flights at ORD? Currently, AA has 501 daily flights and UA has 642 daily flights scheduled for the 2012 summer at ORD. I don't believe a combined AA/US would have over 500 daily flights at ORD; rather somewhere around 400 daily flights. It would be nice if UA could increase the number of daily flights at ORD to the 700-750 range and at the same time keep CLE at 150+ daily flights.



Im not expecting any huge growth at ORD from AA/US, but why on earth would they throw away a solid hub and their only midwestern presence?

They will probably keep the hub around the 500 departure level.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 56, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
CLE

BEH: 11
DH2: 33
Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
IAD

SF3: 27

I'm wondering if Commutair might be the solution to back fill the Colgan SF3s that are leaving Dulles.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4075 posts, RR: 8
Reply 57, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 5):
In terms of number of seats, which is larger, IAH or ORD?
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 55):
Im not expecting any huge growth at ORD from AA/US, but why on earth would they throw away a solid hub and their only midwestern presence?

They will probably keep the hub around the 500 departure level.

It's already been stated that they would right-size the gauge of aircraft at ORD finally "fixing" the profitability of the hub. Problem now is AA has to choose basically between the M80 and small RJs at ORD, when what they need lies between those in capacity - A319, E-jet, CR9 size.


User currently offlineboberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 56):
I'm wondering if Commutair might be the solution to back fill the Colgan SF3s that are leaving Dulles.

I guess a combo of Commutair and RJs. Commutair is already loaded as replacing service in CHO and BGM starting in July with DH2s


User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5495 posts, RR: 7
Reply 59, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 58):
I guess a combo of Commutair and RJs. Commutair is already loaded as replacing service in CHO and BGM starting in July with DH2s



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