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When Will B6 Take Delivery Of A321  
User currently offlineJBfan1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9299 times:

Does anyone know when B6 is scheduled to receive there first A321 and what routes they will use it for. From what I know the A321 has less range than the A320......

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User currently offlinePHXA340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 896 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9250 times:

Deliveries for the A321 are slated for 2013.

User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9198 times:

Quoting JBfan1 (Thread starter):

Most likely NY to MCO and FLL. Probably SDQ as well.


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Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8871 times:
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Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 1):

Deliveries for the A321 are slated for 2013.

Out of curiosity, when in 2013?

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 2):
Most likely NY to MCO and FLL. Probably SDQ as well.

I would expect a JFK base and rotation as demand warrants. MCO and FLL will see them a bunch!

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User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8780 times:

Won't JetBlue's A321s be the NEO and have winglets which will give it more range than the current A320s?

User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8731 times:

Any idea as to how many seats and the split between extra legroom Y seats and standard Y seats? Jetblue's A320s have a total of 150 seats(42 Y at 38" pitch and 108 Y at 34" pitch).

Going by the nearly 13 foot additional length of A321, I expect it to have 180 seats. Jetblue should end up with the following aircraft capacity: 100(E190), 150(A320), and 180(A321) seats.


User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7087 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8674 times:

Quoting doulasc (Reply 4):
Won't JetBlue's A321s be the NEO and have winglets which will give it more range than the current A320s?

I'll believe the first ones are actually regular A321s with Sharklets



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User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8662 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 6):

Will the Sharklets give more range so JetBlue could fly JFK-LAX non-stop with their A321s?


User currently offlineLostSound From Canada, joined May 2012, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8575 times:

Quoting doulasc (Reply 7):

Can't the normal A321 do that trip?

Didn't BMED offer A321 service between UK and Iran?

[Edited 2012-06-06 19:23:43]


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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9647 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8440 times:
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They have struggled during the winter months to do JFK-LGB with the A320, most likely due to winds.

The standard A321 has less range than the A320, as it is a stretch with less fuel capacity. The A319 is the long range family member.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8380 times:

I think with the winglets it will be fine (sharklets)

User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9647 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8242 times:
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Wiki quotes the A320 range at 3,200 miles and the A321 at 3,000. Airbus says the sharklets will give the A321 about 120 more miles. So, it will come up short, using the B6 example.

User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2889 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7971 times:

As it has been pointed out elsewhere, JK used to fly 321s on HEL-LPA (2920 mi) and BD on LHR-IKA (2754 mi), both much longer than JFK-LGB (2465 mi).


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User currently offlineJBfan1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7751 times:

Quoting doulasc (Reply 7):
Will the Sharklets give more range so JetBlue could fly JFK-LAX non-stop with their A321s?

I remember being told that the A321's do not have the range to do West Coast. Also someone had said that when the A320's hit strong head winds they too have a hard time reaching the West coast.... not sure if theses statements are 100% accurate.


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7602 times:

Quoting JBfan1 (Reply 13):
I remember being told that the A321's do not have the range to do West Coast. Also someone had said that when the A320's hit strong head winds they too have a hard time reaching the West coast.... not sure if theses statements are 100% accurate.

It's blown way out of proportion here on A-Net.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2552 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

Quoting JBfan1 (Reply 13):
not sure if theses statements are 100% accurate.
Quoting clydenairways (Reply 14):
It's blown way out of proportion here on A-Net.

Actually it is pretty accurate, the range of an aircraft decreases with increase in payload. For an aircraft like the A320 would be weight restricted flying transcon and the other long routes mentioned that are/were flown by the A321. This weight restriction would make space for more fuel to be carried onboard the aircraft to fly the required. However, as with the case of some 757 transatlantic flights during winter months, headwinds can get pretty strong reducing the ground speed of the aircraft, hence resulting in a longer flight time and more fuel being burned over the same distance even with the weight restriction and hence the need for fuel stops along these routes during those periods.



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7519 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 15):
Actually it is pretty accurate, the range of an aircraft decreases with increase in payload. For an aircraft like the A320 would be weight restricted flying transcon and the other long routes mentioned that are/were flown by the A321. This weight restriction would make space for more fuel to be carried onboard the aircraft to fly the required. However, as with the case of some 757 transatlantic flights during winter months, headwinds can get pretty strong reducing the ground speed of the aircraft, hence resulting in a longer flight time and more fuel being burned over the same distance even with the weight restriction and hence the need for fuel stops along these routes during those periods.

That's true, but that's not what he said.

He said he read that 321's cannot do the west coast, which is clearly not true. They can most of the time, but there are occasions like you describe when they are limited.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2552 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7504 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 16):
That's true, but that's not what he said.

He said he read that 321's cannot do the west coast, which is clearly not true. They can most of the time, but there are occasions like you describe when they are limited.

I was replying to the A320 part of his reply, but either way the same applies for the A321.

[Edited 2012-06-07 06:26:24]


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User currently offlineOM617 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6922 times:

Was just checking my flight log;
May 2010 I flew PHL-LAX on a US 321, flight time, takeoff-landing, was 5:21.
Not as long as the sectors mentioned in reply 12, then again I don't know how the jetstream affects those flights.
For B6, the 321 on IAD-LGB should be no problem.
My $0.02...

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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3291 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6813 times:

Considering that B6 is building capacity at SJU, I wouldn't be surprised if they sent a couple of A321s down here as well.


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User currently offlinecontrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 19):
Considering that B6 is building capacity at SJU, I wouldn't be surprised if they sent a couple of A321s down here as well.

You'll see them mostly on that route for one main reason. Cargo capacity. We'll be able to get lots more cargo going down there as SJU is a major cargo city from JFK and BOS.



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2900 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 20):
You'll see them mostly on that route for one main reason. Cargo capacity. We'll be able to get lots more cargo going down there as SJU is a major cargo city from JFK and BOS.

....unless ACTs are getting put in. Not sure if that is the case or not.

Quoting doulasc (Reply 4):
Won't JetBlue's A321s be the NEO and have winglets which will give it more range than the current A320s?

No, B6 did not order A321NEOs. Current order is for A320NEOs with deliveries starting in 2016 IIRC.

Quoting JBfan1 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know when B6 is scheduled to receive there first A321

Based on my knowledge we should see the first one fly in during the first quarter of 2013.

Quoting columba (Reply 6):
I'll believe the first ones are actually regular A321s with Sharklets

Based on my knowledge, ALL deliveries to B6 from Airbus starting in 2013 will have Sharklets. I believe the retrofit program also might start sometime in 2013, but not positive on that yet.

Hope that helps a little (I know, I didn't really release that much info LOL)

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User currently offlineN757ST From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Since no one answered that i could see, (might have skip
ped over it) october 2013. 3 arrive 2013, then 10, 10, 7.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4056 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4499 times:
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Quoting JBfan1 (Reply 13):
I remember being told that the A321's do not have the range to do West Coast. Also someone had said that when the A320's hit strong head winds they too have a hard time reaching the West coast.... not sure if theses statements are 100% accurate.

They do have the range, the problem as stated, are the headwinds going westbound, markedly in the winter time period. I don't think that's hard to understand or there's any need for drama behind that.

I for one, didn't understand why B6 didn't pick up a few A319s to do the transcons because of the headwind issues.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 16):

That's true, but that's not what he said.

He said he read that 321's cannot do the west coast, which is clearly not true. They can most of the time, but there are occasions like you describe when they are limited.

US flies them regularly between PHL/CLT-LAX & SFO as well as PHL-SEA. They did have issues early on when they didn't have the higher performance 200 series which US desperately needed for their transcons as well as operating longer, high demand routes out of hot PHX.


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4056 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4477 times:
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I too am interested to know where they will they will these birds too.

What is the current Airbus order for in terms of A32X sharlets and A32XNEO?


25 flyby519 : Same place we send the majority of our capacity. BOS/JFK to MCO/FLL/SJU/SDQ
26 B6JFKH81 : ....or some places where we are very slot constrained where we might be able to consolidate a little by using the bigger a/c to free up some slots to
27 wn676 : Which higher performance A321s would those be? US has been operating the same 93t A321s with ACTs since they were first delivered in 2001, and the IA
28 spchamp1 : Just had a TLC meeting in LGB today. The first A321 delivery is scheduled for Ocotber 2013. As of this posting all A321's are the classic variant. The
29 seabosdca : That would be quite a trick as the A320neo is not scheduled to enter service until late 2015. Neither of these routes features anything near the inte
30 Post contains images B6JFKH81 : I was wondering how they shaved 2 years off the last known delivery year LOL 804 is here already, 805 isn't yet. I am hoping that we haven't changed
31 doulasc : Would the A321 NEO have more range than the classic A321?
32 LostSound : Airbus claims so, seeing the NEO will be sporting new engine technology and sharklets. The NEO is also to be a bit lighter.
33 seabosdca : Quite a bit more. The current thinking is that it will be able to do another 1 to 1.5 hours of flying time. It should have no problem at all with tra
34 clydenairways : Yes. Aerlingus are considering them for Transatlantic flights.
35 doulasc : Thats why I would think JetBlue would want the A321 NEO over the classic for transcon like JFK-LAX which is a lucarative route.
36 spchamp1 : That is the theory, but as of right now Airbus has not received approval on the Sharklets. We were told that a/c older than 805JB would require the w
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