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Memories Of WardAir Canada...  
User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

Does anyone remember WardAir? Canadien flew the ex WardAir A310's for a while. (BTW, Who has them now???) I remember hearing them on my scanner flying over Michigan. I used to sit outside with my telescope and I could identify them easily at 35,000 ft. I never saw them up close. Didnt they have international flights out of YWG (Winnipeg)? Share your stories about WardAir.





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User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

The A310's were sold almost imediately tot he Canadian Government. Wardair's moves prior to being bought out by Canadian caused some agony due to the orders of numerous aircraft, such as F-100' s and MD-90's i believe.

Oh ya, It was a great airline!



Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Canadien did operate the A310s though...


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I could have swore they were in Canadien colors for a while.


User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

They never went into full Canadian livery. The just slapped their name over the Wardair titles. I'm not exactly sure of how long they were with Canadian, but it sure wasn't that long.


Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1964 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

I recall seeing one of their ads in the 1980s, its caption proclaiming Wardair as having "only one class. The best." From what I have read in this forum, they were a good airline. However, they could have used a different interior decorator, as the following picture will attest:

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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6287 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

I remember Max's aircraft. I drove up to PHX one night with all the equipment to take night shots. I shot three rolls of film that night with the A310 on all three. I thought I was covered. Sadly my camera was bad so I ended up with 3 rolls of nothing. All the rest I could shoot again later but Wardair ceased to exist right after this night. Oh well.


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User currently offlineDouglasDC8 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

In the summer of 1989 I was on a temporary training assignment at YYZ. One evening a Wardair A-310 parked next to my company's 727. To this day I remember my initial reaction of "what a nice airplane". I just wanted to hop on board for a flight!

User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Has anyone flown them? Just curious to know if all the interiors were like that!


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

No not all of the ineriors were like that, but they were close. Wardair was the best, their service to this day has not been met by any other Canadian airline. Max made sure that his pax got the best, he even went so far as to go down to the flight kitchens every once in a while, and give out free passes for the cooks so that they would use the prime cuts of meat and best food for max's meals.

As to the A310's they were not sold by wardair, CP kept them flying for a few months, I even flew on a CP/WDA 310 to BC just before CP leased them to the Canadian government, it was only later that the governement bought them in order to give CP some much needed cash. I think only three planes went to the Airforce, others made their way around the world, and one even ended up back in Canada. C-GRYA of Royal Airlines is ex-Wardair airplane C-GDWD.

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"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Is the Canadian version of Air Force 1, 150001 I believe, an ex WardAir if so, I went in this aircraft at the 1999 Dover AFB Airshow, and I will tell you, that A310-300srs was huge. Much bigger than the -200's. Very nice (obviously) inside. Its strange to me that the aircraft is that dark grey color. Seems like the it would be a bit colorful.


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User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Yes, all of the CAF A310's are ex-wardair. I like the two tone grey, with just the bright red flag on the tail. I think that looks kool.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Wardair started as a bush airline, evolved into a charter, and eventually had a disasterous move into the scheduled market (they should have stuck to what they were best at). They flew international and domestic routes from most major Canadian centres.

I never flew Wardair, although my father did many years ago. Max Ward was in some ways the last of an era of bush pilots buildiing airlines. With that in mind, he sometimes had a reputation of sneaking around regulatory hurdles that restricted the sale of charter seats, as he didn't like the regulated market of the day  Smile/happy/getting dizzy .

My only real memory of Wardair is seeing their A310's. I vaguely remember them in original Wardair colours flying at Calgary, and then I remember seeing them with Canadian titles, and then I also remember seeing them parked at the south end of YYC for a while, just before they were sold.


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User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1637 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

I flew them (see interior photo above) to Vancouver from Montreal and yes they were teriffic! Leg room was roomy, food excellent and service top notch.. I still miss them today.

User currently offlineYqfca From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Max Ward still flies around today in his private CRJ from Edmonton downtown. He's using an ACARS transmitter and I get him on my screen often. I flew his 747 and DC10s and they had better (or should I say normal) interiors. The A310 were colourful interiors to give the vacation feeling, Wardair said. I flew the A310 only after it was aquired by Canadian. I later photographed a A310 of Wardair in MEA (Middle East Airlines Libanon) colours in Frankfurt. I remember that when Canadian sold the MD80 delivery positions they made a a pile of money as there was a high demand for aircraft around that time. I photographed one MD80 of Wardair in Calgary that was in the AeroMexico colours. It was sold to AeroMexico while it was being assembled. One DC10 of Wardair is still flying on Amsterdam in the colours of DAS Air Cargo.

User currently offlineViveAF From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 198 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

My memory of Wardair goes waaaay back to 1976 when I flew MAN/YVR on a B707 - named "Punch Dickens". It was my first transatlantic flight and I have very good memories of it.

There was no IFE to speak of, but the f/a`s handed out bingo cards inflight and we played a few games of bingo with the prizes being bottles of booze, candies and perfumes.... sort of pre-dates the inflight gaming programmes some airlines have in their current IFE selection.

The catering was superb, prime rib dinner, free booze and very attentive staff.... by far the best charter carrier in the air (WD were all charter at the time)

Our return flight was hit by fog at MAN and we had an extra 3 hour layover at PIK - they kept us on board and arranged for tray breakfasts to be brought onboard... nice touch.

Great memories of a true pioneer airline.



User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1098 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

I remember my first Wardair sighting at Calgary. I had to have been 10 years old at the time. We were driving from Winnipeg to Lake Louise for a ski trip and stopped at YYC for some lunch. There was a nice big A300 parked at the gate. I'll never forget the sight. It looked beautiful. I think it was going to Edmonton. Other traffic included a Lufthansa DC-10 and KLM 747-300.

Other memories include walking to grandma's house on Sunday mornings, at age 11 or so, and watching A310s land overtop of us on 36 into Winnipeg. The memories sound lame, but they're the only memories I have of Wardair, as I'm only 22.



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User currently offlineCap'n Dan From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

I will forever have fond memories of Wardair. I can still remember flying down to Flordia in the winter on packed (yet still comfortable) Wardair A310s.
I do not think I am alone when I state that Wardair is far and away the best charter carrier in Canadian history. When I compare the Wardair service to what you see today on Canada 3000 or (barf) Air Transat, it makes me cringe.


User currently offlineBaldguy From Canada, joined May 2001, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

My first-ever airline flight (Jun 1977) was on a Wardair 747-200 from Edmonton to London. Flew over on the 'Phil Garratt' and back on the 'Romeo Vachon', Canadian bushpilots. One of them was registered C-FFUN.

The service was excellent, steak for everyone on Royal Doulton china. I had a single seat three rows ahead of the staircase to the upper deck, which had 6 rows of seats in 3-3 config.There a half-moon shaped banquette at the rear of one aircraft, and two L-shaped banquettes at the front of the, other for a small lounge area. Even at that age I was besotted by airlines and the highlight of my 6-week trip to the UK was being allowed to help the flight attendants on the trip home.

Cabin decor was: pink cabin/blue cabin/pink cabin/gold cabin.

In the 80s I flew them three times YYZ-YYC and once YYZ-LAX. I flew the A310 each time which remains my all-time favourite aircraft. The cabin decor was blue in the forward section and a really ghastly gold and avocado in the after cabin which seemed very out of date for such new aircraft. The F/A uniforms were the worst I've ever seen; blue and fuchsia check jackets over blue, red, black and white maple-leaf-print blouses! The two blues were different and when you dropped that in that avocado- and gold cabin....

Service was still excellent; they came through the cabin with trays bearing each one of four entrees including chateaubriand and chicken Kiev. AFter dinner they came through with a dessert CART which included cheese and fruit, THEN another service of Irish or Spanish coffees.

When they were subsumed into Canadi

User currently offlineBaldguy From Canada, joined May 2001, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

I also remember it being the only airline on which I ever saw men smoking pipes!

User currently offlineC-fyow From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2070 times:


To all who submitted their fond memories of Max's airline, just a couple of
points to add.....

One aircraft was sadly lost in 1992 I believe after it slammed into a mountain
range In Kathmandu Nepal, the result of erroneuos information from the tower
at Kathmandu, all oboard were killed. The registration of the jet is listed in
Bill Harms Aircraft Census Website.

Also, One aircraft was leased temporarily to an airline in Australia called
Compass Airlines. They flew it briefly on cross country jaunts, but went out of
business shortly after acquiring the aircraft. It was returned to Canadian.

/Steve


User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

One other note...

Max had a habit of naming his aircraft after pioneering bush pilots. The names of the great Canadian aviation pioneers graced his aircraft, names such as Wop May, Punch Dickins, and so on. If memory serves me correctly, he also named an aircraft after either Grant McConachie or Russ Baker (maybe both) which was interesting in that it honoured historical CPAir/Pacific Western people (it was taken as sort of a jab at them, I believe).

BTW, Don Braun (another name given to Ward's planes) was a Wardair pilot who landed a Bristol Freighter on the North Pole.

Also, with regard to the 310's. Wardair had, I believe, 12 of them, of which 5 were picked up the the Canadian Forces.


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