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The Valley - Caribbean Aviation Thread 99  
User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 17034 times:

Greetings to all A.net patrons!

Welcome to the 99th instalment of the Caribbean Aviation Thread. This 99th edition will put the spotlight on the tiny picturesque British Overseas territory of Anguilla.




Tucked away in the Eastern Caribbean, Anguilla is the most northern island in the Leeward Island chain, less than 10 NM north of St. Martin and 200 NM east of Puerto Rico, two of Anguilla's major gateways. Approximately 16 miles from its most eastern point to its most western point and 3 NM at its widest point, Anguilla is flat, low-lying and comprised of coral and limestone, covered mostly with rock, sparse scrub oak, few trees and some salt ponds. One main road runs through the center of the island, making Anguilla easy to traverse by car in less than 1/2 an hour.


Anguilla was first settled by Amerindian tribes who migrated from South America. The earliest Amerindian artifacts found on Anguilla have been dated to around 1300 BC, and remains of settlements date from 600 AD. The date of European discovery is uncertain: some sources claim that Columbus sighted the island in 1493, while others state that the island was first discovered by the French in 1564 or 1565.

In 1650, English settlers arrived and colonized Anguilla. They established plantations where corn and tobacco were grown. The settlement survived for six years until Indians from a neighboring island came and destroyed it.
In 1666, the French temporarily took over the island for a brief period of time. However, it was returned to Britain the following year under the Treaty of Breda.

In 1958, St. Kitts, Nevis, and Anguilla became part of the Federation of the West Indies. This Federation collapsed in 1962 and as a result most of the islands developed individual constitutions. St. Kitts, Nevis, and Anguilla together were made an associated statehood — a political decision that sparked the Anguilla Revolution because Anguilla desired its independence from the state. May 30, 1967 is celebrated annually as Anguilla Day, commemorating the repulsion of the Royal St. Kitts Police Force from the island. Britain intervened and a peacekeeping committee was established. Debates over Anguilla’s secession continued to be negotiated for over a decade, and on December 19, 1980, Anguilla became a separate Dependent Territory with some measure of autonomy in government.


Shoal Bay, Anguilla




Viceroy, Anguilla

The Clayton J. Lloyd International Airport (IATA: AXA, ICAO: TQPF) (formerly known as the Anguilla Wallblake Airport) is the island's international airport located very close to The Valley, the island's capital. It has a small terminal with no jetways and is the only airport in Anguilla. The airport became known as the "Clayton J. Lloyd International Airport" on July 4, 2010.


LI climbing out of AXA


AXA seems like corporate jet paradise with many high rollers making the island their choice for high-end secluded vacations.


*****News Feed*****
CAL receives route rights to PTY from Panamanian President Ricardo Martinelli
CAL appoints Clive Forbes as new Jamaica hub general manager
DAE to start daily CUR-MIA June 1 with MD-83
Rumour mill hints at LI acquiring Dash 8 Q-400s that will eventually comprise a Q300/400 mix
PY celebrates its 50th anniversary of operation with small decal applied to PY B733 (PZ-TCO)
CAL unable to receive two dry-leased B763s as a result of ongoing audit of the TTCAA by the FAA
CAL to wet-lease Omni Air International B763 to inaugurate 2x weekly POS-LGW service
9Y-BGI of CAL completes C-check, has JM logo removed. 9Y-JMA might be repainted/sticker-ed
KX to codeshare with CM on NEW GCM-PTY route
Guyana gives approval to EZjet to operate a 2x weekly GEO-YYZ chartered service
AA reduces MIA-UVF from daily to 4x weekly come August 21, 2012
90 Jamaican maintenance personnel made redundant as CAL consolidates its operations
CAL to introduce ATR on the POS-SLU route


As always, happy posting!




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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 17069 times:

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
CAL receives route rights to PTY from Panamanian President Ricardo Martinelli

Interesting, I dont remember seeing this mentioned. Good for CAL   . Any rumors of start dates?



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 17053 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):
Interesting, I dont remember seeing this mentioned. Good for CAL   . Any rumors of start dates?

Just normal political hot air. PTY's president was in POS for the Cairbbean Investment Forum.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/business/2...4/panama-president-cal-come-fly-us


Don't expect it to go anywhere. I certainly hope it doesn't. POS-PTY is already well served by CM.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 17029 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 2):
Just normal political hot air. PTY's president was in POS for the Cairbbean Investment Forum.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/business/2...4/panama-president-cal-come-fly-us


Don't expect it to go anywhere. I certainly hope it doesn't. POS-PTY is already well served by CM.

I see, just got high hopes for something positive with CAL, o well.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16895 times:

Truly as of right now there is not enough traffic for both CAL and CM on POS-PTY. The route needs to grow a bit more before it can support daily flights from both carriers....and all things being equal I think it better that CM is on it which provides more connections.

If CAL had E-jets, then I could maybe see it working, but putting a 738 in addition to CM is just overkill.



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16891 times:

I agree furthermore CAL needs to get its house in order right now rather than starting new routes does anyone have any word on the satus of the auudit of the T&T Civil aviation?

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 16879 times:

Thanks for starting up the thread BW424, as always it is very much appreciated my friend. I'm guessing that the next thread will need to be a special one as it will be our 100th Caribbean thread!!! As the threads are about the Caribbean aviation I want to suggest that the 100th thread puts the focus on the history of the aviation in the Caribbean over the past 100 years, instead of focussing on a single island as is customery. This would mean an overview of major developments, key turning points between 1912 and 2012. For example, KLM had the first flight to Curacao in the 1920's with their Fokker called the "Snip". This was the first transatlantic flight to the Caribbean if memory serves me well. I know this task probably is asking for too much but this is just my idea for our 100th thread.

In any case, thanks again for starting this thread   

A388


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16830 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
If CAL had E-jets, then I could maybe see it working, but putting a 738 in addition to CM is just overkill.

And pretty sure BW isn't in the mood to fly B737-800 POS-PTY-XXX.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlinelucianflyboy From St. Lucia, joined Jun 2005, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16799 times:

'AA reduces MIA-UVF from daily to 4x weekly come August 21, 2012'

Meanwhile, I heard about this, saw the flights gone in SABRE then as quick as it was there, the flights are back operating daily. Did I miss something here?


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 16776 times:

Airlines from the Caribbean arrive in PTY From www.prensa.com - in Spanish
La Prensa today features the news that Cayman Airways started flights to PTY and that Caribbean Airlines completed its permits to operate in PTY (!).
If Caribbean isn't interested in PTY, why submit permits to flight to PTY?



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16687 times:

Thanks for the new thread BW424, guys Anguilla is great, pricy but recomended for a daytour or more!





User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 16657 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 10):

You have really travelled the Caribbean. Is there any country you have yet to visit. And what should Caribbean countries do to attract more Brazilians. Its clear we cant continue to depend just on North America and Europe as those markets are now quite mature and offer limited opportunities for growth.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 16596 times:

Hey Andrefranca.....looks like you do love the Caribbean. When are you going to make it to Belize   


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16518 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):
Hey Andrefranca.....looks like you do love the Caribbean. When are you going to make it to Belize

He surely is eagerly awaiting for CM MAO-PTY-BZE ?



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 16477 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 11):

Right I love the caribbean, it's a really pretty place, though some islands are rip off LOL, but I don't blame them, they need it... well I have not visited caymans (but gota my KX flight booked) , belize islands also booked with tropic air... probably after I have saved the money I want I'll make it to grenada, montserrat, we'll see.

Well the first thing is the language barrier, the younger generations are able to speak english, but still most of brazilians can only portuguese, some of them are able to understand spanish but they answer in portuguese, (Panamenians in PTY struggle with that LOL ) so I think CUR and AUA are doing good! they make a lot of adds here in portuguese and videos, commercials etc... that's the why AUA and CUR are still the most popular caribbean islands for us i think, SXM is on the way due to high number of cruise ships.

secondly is the lack of flights, only G3 and CM got a few... JJ the "national carrier" so as they call themselves, only see the US and europe.... I pray and hope that CM keep up with its fair fares and add more islands to their bases.

The only island I don't know if I'll ever come back is BGI after the immigration/customs nightmare which led for my removal from the country I still feel hurt and don't know if i'll have the guts to return. Even the daughter of a tourism minister invited me to give a try while I was in POS but I don't know  
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 12):

I sent you an e-mail, just need to wait the visa issues LOL.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 13):

Although I have already 4 flights with CM for january 2013, to BZE i'm suporting the locals LOL so I'll be flying tropic air.


User currently offlineturk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16430 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 14):
The only island I don't know if I'll ever come back is BGI after the immigration/customs nightmare which led for my removal from the country I still feel hurt and don't know if i'll have the guts to return.

It really makes me feel ashamed to read that you were trreated so poorly by our immigration officers... I can only hope that this is an exception and not the rule.

As a Bajan, I hope that you can look beyond one bad experience and return to our country and see us for who I feel we really are!*

*a hospitable nation that relishes having visitors with whom to share our beautiful island!


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16423 times:

From the rumour mill again, it seems REDjet has finally accepted defeat and officially closed its doors. Termination letters were apparently handed out to whoever was left there yesterday. Still awaiting confirmation on this.


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User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 16381 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 16):
From the rumour mill again, it seems REDjet has finally accepted defeat and officially closed its doors. Termination letters were apparently handed out to whoever was left there yesterday. Still awaiting confirmation on this.

Thats bad wish they would come back. hope this does not discourage people from investing and doing business in the region especially after all the positive talk from the Caribbean Investment conference held here in NYC


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 16362 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 14):

Im gonna be in Montserrat during the summer for how long im not sure yet, but ill be there  let me know when you decide on coming. I recommend during Christmas for this year especially as we are celebrating our 50th anniversary of our festival and its supposed to be a really big celebration and ill recommend booking around now because travelling is pretty hectic during that period (especially when you only have 7 seater aircraft!). I have a poster but im not sure if ill be breaking the rules by posting it, so I wont.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 16):
From the rumour mill again, it seems REDjet has finally accepted defeat and officially closed its doors. Termination letters were apparently handed out to whoever was left there yesterday. Still awaiting confirmation on this.

Im sure we all saw this coming at some point, but still a rumor.



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16310 times:

Here is the link to the sort of confirmation

http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/looks-like-end-for-redjet/

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 16):


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16301 times:

I remember your story from previous threads well hopefully if you do decide to try again it goes smoother have you any word on the G3 flights to BGI?

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 14):
The only island I don't know if I'll ever come back is BGI after the immigration/customs nightmare which led for my removal from the country I still feel hurt and don't know if i'll have the guts to return. Even the daughter of a tourism minister invited me to give a try while I was in POS but I don't know


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16259 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 14):
I sent you an e-mail, just need to wait the visa issues LOL.

I replied.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 14):
Although I have already 4 flights with CM for january 2013, to BZE i'm suporting the locals LOL so I'll be flying tropic air.

And I am sure they appreciate your business. But if CM were to serve BZE, I am sure they would not mind you supporting CM...a rising tide floats all boats.

Way things are going pretty sure you will be able to do RTB/LCE/SAP - BZE - FRS/CUN/MID/GUA sooner than later. Hopefully PM will be able to get its hands on a twin as that BZE-CUN/MID segment will be 1:24 in a 208! Although they are very new 208s.   I have done SAP-BZE and its 54 min right up the Belize Barrier reef. A spectacular view on a sunny day.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16222 times:

Looks like two new airlines are being formed in the Caribbean: Freedom Air and Air Ayiti. The topic is being discussed in below thread:


http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5484835/


Freedom Air seems to be established by a group of ex-TX employees and they want to use the 737-500 while Air Ayiti is from Haiti but I don't know which aircraft they want to use.

All the best to both of them!!!

A388


User currently offlinewestindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16207 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
As the threads are about the Caribbean aviation I want to suggest that the 100th thread puts the focus on the history of the aviation in the Caribbean over the past 100 years, instead of focussing on a single island as is customery. This would mean an overview of major developments, key turning points between 1912 and 2012. For example, KLM had the first flight to Curacao in the 1920's with their Fokker called the "Snip". This was the first transatlantic flight to the Caribbean if memory serves me well. I know this task probably is asking for too much but this is just my idea for our 100th thread.

I like this idea!

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 14):
The only island I don't know if I'll ever come back is BGI after the immigration/customs nightmare which led for my removal from the country I still feel hurt and don't know if i'll have the guts to return. Even the daughter of a tourism minister invited me to give a try while I was in POS but I don't know  

This really hurt me to hear...



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16193 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 22):
Looks like two new airlines are being formed in the Caribbean: Freedom Air and Air Ayiti. The topic is being discussed in below thread:


http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5484835/


Freedom Air seems to be established by a group of ex-TX employees and they want to use the 737-500 while Air Ayiti is from Haiti but I don't know which aircraft they want to use.

All the best to both of them!!!

Great to see new airlines in the Caribbean! I really hope they do well when they begin ops.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 16218 times:

Quoting turk223 (Reply 15):
As a Bajan, I hope that you can look beyond one bad experience and return to our country and see us for who I feel we really are!*

I always wanted because I know BGI has a lot of things to offer, but officials, mainly the ones who work with visitors and alike, MUST be well trained, they first accused me of smuggling, after they searched, x-rayed, frisk serached, sniffed etc.. etc... DID EVERYTHING and saw I was OK, still they said they were offended on the grounds of my arguing!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the same old school, "If arriving from Jamaica or Guyana, blame him, press him, accuse him and arrest him".....

Quoting baje427 (Reply 20):
I remember your story from previous threads well hopefully if you do decide to try again it goes smoother have you any word on the G3 flights to BGI?

Maybe in a few years.... because even if I want to.... due to the size and importance of my family in the region (not wanting to be arrogant or wannabe), I became "the poor little manaus boy who was bullied in Barbados" it was also published on (BIG) travel pages for brazilians etc... etc... my lawyers here made a huge noise about it, brazilian immigration officials etc... I also received a call from a local newspaper wanting to know if I was "finger raped" because they saw somewhere a jamaican women was lawsuiting BGI because she was "finger raped" by the officer, they wanted to know if she was hiding something on her "apparatus" very sayd, but I saw what they can do, so no doubts about it.

[Edited 2012-06-08 11:59:27]

User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 16174 times:

While not condoning their behavious if its one thing I have learned while travelling never argue with immigration/customs it get you no where well there are several other islands out there to enjoy its nice to hear you enjoyed

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 25):


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 16217 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 26):

While that is true Bajan customs officials need to be told that many tourists other than WHITE Europeans and North Americans provide good business opportunities for Bdos. And Brazil, with 200million people will very soon becomke as important a market for the Caribbean as Canada currently is. Maybe even more so


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16199 times:

REDjet goes bust

BRIDGETOWN, June 8, CMC – A day after dismissing its 94 workers, the Barbadian flag carrier REDjet announced on Friday it was insolvent and had “no future in Barbados”, claiming its host government had failed deliver on promised support, the company said in a statement here.

“Airone Ventures Limited doing business as ‘REDjet’ hereby announces the suspension of all operations in Barbados. REDjet profoundly regrets this decision and its impact on its suppliers, staff and passengers,” the year-old carrier said.

The airline had reportedly been lobbying the Barbadian and Guyanese governments for financial backing to return to the skies.

The company said it has filed a "Notice of Intention to Make a Proposal" to its creditors with the Supervisor of Insolvency under the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act that puts itself in the hands of a trustee, blocking any legal proceedings to reclaim debts for at least 30 days.

“Immediately upon filing all proceedings against the company are stayed. No creditor may therefore exercise any remedy against the company, while the stay is in place, in respect of any debt owing as of 5th June 2012,” the company said.

The airline said it believed it had secured Barbados’s “full aero-political support” and that “this “turn of events could have been avoided” if it had gained access to all markets as the island’s designated national carrier.

“However regrettably this has not been the experience of the airline over the past two years.

“With no consensus at a political or technical level to deliver on these commitments which are critical to the development of any airline there can be no future for REDjet in Barbados,” the company.

“Therefore, despite the best efforts of the airline and its committed staff, the airline has been forced to make the regrettable decision to suspend all its operations.”

The airline had promised to reimburse ticket holders within three weeks of applying for a refund in writing but three months later, several would-be travellers said they had not been repaid.

But the airline said on Friday that “the trustee will at the appropriate time invite creditors of amounts of 250 dollars and more, including passengers who have purchased tickets with the airline but who have yet to apply for a refund, to prove their debts as required by the Act and also call a meeting of creditors for the purpose of considering and approving the company’s proposal.”

The stay of proceedings does not apply to debts owed for services rendered the company after Friday’s filing date, the company said, adding that these debts “will be dealt with in the ordinary way.

“The stay will be in place for 30 days initially but the Court will entertain reasonable applications for extension of the stay to permit a proposal to creditors to be completed.”

Billed as a low-cost, no-frills carrier initially offering fares as low as 9.99 US dollars, REDjet quickly became the toast of Caribbean travellers with flights to Guyana, Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica and a raft of agreements to fly to other regional destinations.

But the airline abruptly suspended its flights on March 16. It then lost its air operator’s certificate with Trinidadian civil aviation authorities and its Barbados licence.

The company appears to have failed in its bid to get regional governments to put money into the cash-strapped airline.

On Wednesday, Antigua and Barbuda’s Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer, whose government co-owns rival carrier LIAT with Barbados and St Vincent and the Grenadines, said St John’s had refused to come to REDjet’s aid, saying its discount business model was “unsustainable” and “doomed to failure”.

“The whole question of lending a hand, I don’t think that question arises at all because we always felt that the [low-fare] concept that they put forward was clearly untenable,” Spencer told Antigua’s Observer Radio on Wednesday.

On May 8, Geoffrey O’Byrne White, a former chief executive of the Irish regional airline CityJet, replaced founding CEO Ian Burns in managing the airline’s day-to-day operations.

In announcing its suspension of flights in March, the privately owned airline suggested that it was expecting “state assistance” to continue operations and blamed "subsidised" competitors for its troubles.

“REDjet is hopeful that we will be given a small part of the State assistance others receive, as it will allow us to get our recently approved and exciting new routes established and profitable. Once this happens, our shareholders and staff will do their utmost to see that there is no return to high fares and business as usual,” the company said then.

Incorporated in Barbados as Airone Holdings Ltd by father-and-son Irish entrepreneurs Robbie and Ian Burns, REDjet took to the air with MD-80 series jet aircraft on a regularly scheduled service between Barbados and Guyana in May 2011.

But by November, its largest Barbadian shareholder, Barbadian industrialist Ralph “Bizzy” Williams, said the airline needed an injection of four million US dollars to stay in the air.

Williams and Burns blamed the governments of Barbados, Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica for delaying approvals and licences in flying to each other’s destinations, claiming a breach of a regional ‘open-skies’ policy. The two said the delays cost the airline millions of dollars of start-up capital.

On May 8, as White replaced Burns at the helm of the airline, the Daily Nation newspaper reported that Williams had “quietly departed” the board of directors.

Just weeks before the suspension, REDjet announced it had begun flying to St Lucia. It also operated a regular service to Trinidad and Jamaica and had announced it was to begin flights to St Maarten in May.

The regional aviation industry retains heavy government ownership, control and direction, with Trinidad and Tobago’s Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica and LIAT often in the grips of labour disputes, heavy losses, cash bailouts and customer dissatisfaction.

But since REDjet’s arrival the two island-hopping carriers stepped up competition in pricing and scheduling.

“We have seen other carriers drastically cut their fares in an effort to shut down REDjet and return to high fares and business as usual with no regard to the negative impact on travellers. Unlike us, they do not have to be profitable to stay in business,” REDjet said.

“In spite of their subsidised efforts, our passenger numbers have continued to rise,” the airline added.

The airline’s supporters say the low-cost model would spur greater intra-regional travel and tourism and offer more options for traveller. Critics remain unconvinced that a low-cost business model can fly regional skies, already the graveyard of several similar upstart carriers over the last two decades.

REDjet has at once chided regional governments for their support of rivals and urged them to help. But so far, no regional governments have indicated they intend to bankroll the airline.

Apart from generating unprecedented press notice, REDjet’s entry into the aviation marketplace has already scored several coups in intra-regional travel beyond the low-cost model. It joined Caribbean Airlines in offering inter-island jet travel and made heavy use of social media marketing.

Within a week of launching in May, the airline’s Facebook page had already surpassed 16,000 supporters. It has introduced ticket sales through cellphone kiosks and began flying the West Indies cricket team during their home series with Pakistan and India.

http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/redjet-goes-bust/

No surprise here really, I think we all predicted this one from the beginning. It does beg the question however, can air travel in the Caribbean ever be profitable? We have the "majors" LI, BW/JM, UP, KX and "minors" WM, EZjet probably even MQ all hemorrhaging money. Even the North American and European carriers operate down here mostly on subsidies. I do however acknowledge many airlines around the world aren't doing too well either, but there are others that are. Privatising these companies probably won't help as they will all coming begging for subsidies to stay alive a la REDjet eventually.



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User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16183 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 28):
can air travel in the Caribbean ever be profitable?

Air travel in the Caribbean can be profitable when:
1) There is an clear and concise policy on air travel and integration e.g. Open Skies, single CAA etc.
2) When the region diversifies its economies from service (Tourism) to innovative and competitive knowledge-intensive region with emphasis on infrastructure and export.
3) The airlines are run as a private venture a la, SQ, EK, QR etc.

The Caribbean unfortunately, at this time, lacks all of the above and the airlines are a reflection of the economic realities of the region on a whole. Until then the current airlines and others hoping to start will encounter significant challenges in air travel.
For instance, there is no real mass travel in this region for an airline like RD to survive on because of the situation stated above, with the arrogance we see in each island towards the other. Jamaicans are seen as a drug problem when they land in BGI, ANU or POS, or Guyanese do not leave when they come to another country.
Plus we have the situation that it is expensive to vacation in the territories.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16053 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 28):
No surprise here really, I think we all predicted this one from the beginning. It does beg the question however, can air travel in the Caribbean ever be profitable? We have the "majors" LI, BW/JM, UP, KX and "minors" WM, EZjet probably even MQ all hemorrhaging money. Even the North American and European carriers operate down here mostly on subsidies. I do however acknowledge many airlines around the world aren't doing too well either, but there are others that are. Privatising these companies probably won't help as they will all coming begging for subsidies to stay alive a la REDjet eventually.

Well the "minors" would do well to look west to the operations of Tropic Air and Nature Air and apply some of their hard learned operation procedures.

Don't get me wrong, these airlines aren't minting money, but at least they are not bleeding.



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 16021 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
Thanks for starting up the thread BW424, as always it is very much appreciated my friend. I'm guessing that the next thread will need to be a special one as it will be our 100th Caribbean thread!!! As the threads are about the Caribbean aviation I want to suggest that the 100th thread puts the focus on the history of the aviation in the Caribbean over the past 100 years, instead of focussing on a single island as is customery. This would mean an overview of major developments, key turning points between 1912 and 2012. For example, KLM had the first flight to Curacao in the 1920's with their Fokker called the "Snip". This was the first transatlantic flight to the Caribbean if memory serves me well. I know this task probably is asking for too much but this is just my idea for our 100th thread.

I very much agree with you! I believe everyone should have input in making the 100th thread special! Please do PM me links for pictures and history of CUR. If any other patrons will like to contribute, please feel free to PM me info and pics.

Quoting lucianflyboy (Reply 8):
Meanwhile, I heard about this, saw the flights gone in SABRE then as quick as it was there, the flights are back operating daily. Did I miss something here?

Interesting. I guess load factors are sufficient to revert to daily. Thanks for the heads up.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 10):
Thanks for the new thread BW424, guys Anguilla is great, pricy but recomended for a daytour or more!

Dude, you really have travelled the Caribbean! Great to see! You certainly have put me to shame concerning the number of islands I've visited.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 28):
REDjet goes bust

Unfortunate to see them go, but their business model was always flawed from the beginning as we all know. I certainly wish it was a viable business model. That way, it not only creates jobs and enlarges the market, but it could have possibly jump-started the Caribbean legacy carriers in the region to get their houses in order once RD gained some traction. But like CAL with their now dreadfully politically influenced operation, it was doomed to collapse sooner or later.

[Edited 2012-06-09 00:11:14]


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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15693 times:

I noticed AA routed the 762 on the JFK-BGI route yesterday given the 3 class layout on those birds does BGI command the premium seats on a weekend? or did a 757 go tech?

User currently offlineb757lvr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 15616 times:

Quoting lucianflyboy (Reply 8):

Hey 'gens mwen' let me know what you find out about that. Did they work something out with the new govt? The slu govt position seemed quite firm on the subsidy issue.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15598 times:

Some news from Curacao: Copa Airlines had its inaugural flight to Curacao today and I attended the ceremony. See one of my photos below:





The good stuff (meaning the aircraft itself) will follow as soon as it has been accepted in the database 

A388


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15495 times:

Hearing reports of LI's V2-LGH on fire at the moment @ TAPA in a hangar.

Anyone to confirm this?



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User currently offlinewestindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15482 times:

What's this I'm hearing about the LIAT maintenance hangar is completely burned down? Someone confirm please.


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User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15500 times:

LIAT aircraft destroyed in hangar fire
Plumes of smoke filled the skies Sunday night as one of LIATs two hangers went up in flames, carrying with it one of its aircraft; the motor pool; operations office, and several other offices.
Firemen fought with heavy winds from about 9:40 pm to put out the flames but two hours later the blaze was still raging.
Reports reaching OBSERVER Media indicate no one was injured and neither was anyone in the hangar at the time of the first explosion.
A source said the hangar is not used on the weekend and the aircraft registration LGH was in the centre for a routine C check or engine check.
It is not yet clear how many flights have been affected.
http://www.antiguaobserver.com/?p=76590



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15487 times:

I can confirm. I am at the scene at the moment and the Eastern hangar is practically completely destroyed. The roof has collapsed and the rest of the structure is totally engulfed in flames. LGH was also inside under C-Check and probably destroyed by now.


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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15464 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 38):
I can confirm. I am at the scene at the moment and the Eastern hangar is practically completely destroyed. The roof has collapsed and the rest of the structure is totally engulfed in flames. LGH was also inside under C-Check and probably destroyed by now.

Appreciate the confirmation LFT. WOW.....this is very very unfortunate for LI. Must be an extremely stressful atmosphere at LI at the moment. Thank God no one was injured or killed.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 15433 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 35):
Hearing reports of LI's V2-LGH on fire at the moment @ TAPA in a hangar.

Anyone to confirm this?
Quoting BW424 (Reply 35):
What's this I'm hearing about the LIAT maintenance hangar is completely burned down? Someone confirm please.
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 37):
What's this I'm hearing about the LIAT maintenance hangar is completely burned down? Someone confirm please.
Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 38):
I can confirm. I am at the scene at the moment and the Eastern hangar is practically completely destroyed. The roof has collapsed and the rest of the structure is totally engulfed in flames. LGH was also inside under C-Check and probably destroyed by now.

Someone put this as a status on bbm and I came here to see if it was mentioned here yet. Thanks for the confirmation LimaFoxTango. I was a bit shocked when I first heard it, I mean another hanger fire within the last couple days and another aircraft destroyed (ATR at PRG on saturday)



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15349 times:

This really comes at a bad time for LI confirmed it is LGH one of LI oldest frames at 21 years old where will maintainence be done in the interim?

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15319 times:

This is sad news for LI and lucky indeed to no one got injured or killed. Is the cause of this fire known by now? Can foul play be ruled out (getting money from insurance companies because of this fire)? Does the hangar oblige to ICAO safety rules? Is the oversight by the aviation authorities good? Questions always pop up with (fire) incidents and I'm guessing that these questions are the first questions to be asked.

Also, what's the status on the Q400's?

A388


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15304 times:

Since the theme of this thread is Anguilla, a question:

Since American Eagle stopped operations to Anguilla (AXA) the island is down to Cape Air from San Juan, Trans Anguilla and a couple of daily LIAT flights.

Granted that SXM is a short ferry ride away, is there any chance of expanding commercial air service to AXA in the near future?

This is one of the few "countries" that I know of that probably serves more private air passengers than commercial!



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15277 times:

I would not hold out my breath on those Q400 if they do get them I assume they wont be new build maybe the ex MA birds can be aquired. The ATR is better suited to LI ops unless they plan on reducing frequencies the Q400 seats 20 more pax and in some market the Q300 is too much aircraft.

Quoting A388 (Reply 42):


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15209 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 44):
The ATR is better suited to LI ops unless they plan on reducing frequencies the Q400 seats 20 more pax and in some market the Q300 is too much aircraft.

Don't be surprised if some or all of CAL's ATR's end up at LI from what I'm now hearing.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 41):
This really comes at a bad time for LI confirmed it is LGH one of LI oldest frames at 21 years old where will maintained be done in the interim?

LI still has a second hangar which is still intact and can be used to maintain aircraft in the interim, however i believe the capability to do C-Checks and other heavy maintenance is lost.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15162 times:

Quoting C680 (Reply 43):
Granted that SXM is a short ferry ride away, is there any chance of expanding commercial air service to AXA in the near future?

This is one of the few "countries" that I know of that probably serves more private air passengers than commercial!

While I was in Anguilla, people told me that the GOVT wants that way, they don't want Anguilla to become a "new" SXM or BGI, they want to keep low profile, and it's even forbidden to build high buildings and condos etc... etc... Tourism is a big thing for them, that's a fact, but they seem to fear mass tourism...

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 45):
Don't be surprised if some or all of CAL's ATR's end up at LI from what I'm now hearing.

I'd be shocked! do they have the "guts" to keep two types of acft? I imagine you might say they had few other types in the past, but I meant these days?

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 45):
LI still has a second hangar which is still intact and can be used to maintain aircraft in the interim, however i believe the capability to do C-Checks and other heavy maintenance is lost.

Sad news!

Quoting A388 (Reply 34):
Some news from Curacao: Copa Airlines had its inaugural flight to Curacao today and I attended the ceremony.

Hopi bon!!!, now curaçoans have more destinations to explore! and the dutch passport helps a lot!

[Edited 2012-06-11 10:34:58]

User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15117 times:

Quoting C680 (Reply 43):

No likelihood of more airlift into AXA. Even their govt seems to promote SXM as its hub, given its excellent service to the US, Europe and the rest of the Caribbean. I am not even sure if the LIAT ops are profitable.


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15120 times:

Well that would be better than the Q400 as they are more suited to LI ops does CAL use the IFE on the ATR on CCS-POS route does anyone know?

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 45):


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15076 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 45):
Don't be surprised if some or all of CAL's ATR's end up at LI from what I'm now hearing.

What a very interesting statement...hmm

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 45):
LI still has a second hangar which is still intact and can be used to maintain aircraft in the interim, however i believe the capability to do C-Checks and other heavy maintenance is lost.

Must be devastating for the LI family. It will be very interesting to see what the investigation discovers.



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Quoting C680 (Reply 43):
Granted that SXM is a short ferry ride away, is there any chance of expanding commercial air service to AXA in the near future?

As other posters have mentioned, AXA have managed to carve out an extremely high premium niche that they seem bent on preserving.



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15045 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 49):
As other posters have mentioned, AXA have managed to carve out an extremely high premium niche that they seem bent on preserving.

AXA is also taking advantage of the large private aircraft traffic into SXM during the busy season. They are building a new ramp area which will nbecome a new FBO where private jets will be parked. AXA attracts a lot of persons with the big bucks rather than the conventional budget traveller.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 49):
What a very interesting statement...hmm

Care to elaborate?  



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User currently offlineN312RM From Cayman Islands, joined Mar 2012, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15016 times:
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Thanks for the picture BW424, very sad.

User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14905 times:

Quoting lucianflyboy (Reply 8):

Hey dude, was doing some research on the topic and here is an answer

Opposition Wants Explanation On AA Flip-Flop
"The former prime minister said he had reason to believe that the funds are being extracted from the Airport Development Tax which was introduced during last year by his United Workers Party administration, which had accumulated close to US$10 million."
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120611/business/business2.html




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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14872 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 52):

Is that last picture of LGH? its pretty much completely burned out! wow!

Thanks for sharing those 484.

[Edited 2012-06-11 22:06:12]


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User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14860 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 53):
Is that last picture of LGH? its pretty much completely burned out! wow!

No probs man, yeah that's her pretty much completely burnt.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14799 times:

poor acft, RIP! I wonder if it will be a huuuuge blow on already hurt LI ? or maybe someone is waiting to touch the insurance $$$ ?

User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14763 times:

Wow all that shows an aircraft was there are the remains of the engine given the aircraft was in a C check I assume LI schedule would have already been modified for the period in addition, its not the peak winter season so things are a bit slower.

User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14747 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 56):

LI's summer scheduled begins on July 8th and this aircraft would've been ready for then. It will be a great hit to the operation because LI run's a pretty tight schedule during the summer. The bigger hit will be the reduced ability to maintain an aircraft in quick time if one goes to tech.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 53):
Is that last picture of LGH? its pretty much completely burned out! wow!

Yup, that's whats left of it. You can see part of the wing still attached to the starboard engine.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 52):

Here's a little tidbit for you guys. That aircraft in the second photo is the derelict remains of V2-LCY which was the second Dash 8 LI received. It retired at the young age of 40,000 cycles, before Dehavilland/Bombardier introduced the extended life program. I stand corrected, but I believe that was the first Dash 8 to hit that mark worldwide.


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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14720 times:

Interesting is the frame being used for parts? remeber the days when the Dash was new and flying alongside the Avros.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 57):
Here's a little tidbit for you guys. That aircraft in the second photo is the derelict remains of V2-LCY which was the second Dash 8 LI received. It retired at the young age of 40,000 cycles, before Dehavilland/Bombardier introduced the extended life program. I stand corrected, but I believe that was the first Dash 8 to hit that mark worldwide.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14654 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 58):

Well its been sitting there as long as can remember so i guess its being used for parts.



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14575 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 58):
Interesting is the frame being used for parts? remeber the days when the Dash was new and flying alongside the Avros.

Indeed it was used for parts for many years, but I think by now they've gotten all they can from it.



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 14348 times:

Just for those interested all RD aircraft have now left BGI to be flown to the states where there are to be sold.

User currently offlineBW985 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Nov 2007, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14057 times:

Does anyone know what is going on with the audit mentioned in this article?

http://www.newsday.co.tt/businessday/0,161754.html


User currently offlineinbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 63, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13988 times:

Quoting BW985 (Reply 62):
Does anyone know what is going on with the audit mentioned in this article?

http://www.newsday.co.tt/businessday....html

985, from what I understand, the audit isn't suppose to begin until the first week in July. Then I'm not sure how long it will take.



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13914 times:

Caribbean Airlines London service takes off today

The inaugural flight of Caribbean Airlines’ Limited (CAL) to London takes off today as flight BW 902 at 7.15pm using the B-767 aircraft. Checks revealed that the aircraft is 60 per cent booked with tickets costing about TT $7000 but with hours to go before take off there are vacant seats in all classes.

Garvin Nicholas T&T’s High Commissioner to London, will not be attending the inaugural ceremony at Gatwick airport, London. In an interview with the Guardian, Nicholas said he was aware the flight was scheduled to arrive on Friday. “CAL decided to have a low-keyed reception since they are probably concentrating on service first, once up and running they would look toward having major celebrations,” he said.

Sources at CAL said the celebrations were “cut back” and the ceremony would be conducted by the marketing department of the airline. Guardian also understands no other dignitaries will be attending the ceremony. Ramesh Lutchmedial, Director General of Civil Aviation said there were no issues with the B-767 aircraft that CAL plans to use for the route. Lutchmedial added that routine checks were done yesterday and more would be done today (Thursday) before the flight leaves for London. He said the checks include a physical inspection of the aircraft.

Wayne Rodriguez, president of the Travel Agents Association of T&T said he was not surprised that the flight is not sold out. Rodriguez said CAL needed to rebuild the London route therefore, in the beginning the load will be low. He is hopeful that Olympics 2012 would be able to assist in building an interest for the destination as the overall travel market continues to remain low.

Opposition Leader, Dr Keith Rowley said: “This is an ill-conceived expansion and it has no sustainable future, but to be a reimposed drain on the Treasury at a time of chronic budgey deficits. I guess it will continue until once again we will come to a point where we can stand the haemorrhaging no more.” How profitable would this route be for CAL?

According to www.centreforaviation.com: “While Trinidad and Tobago has a larger share of business traffic (than Jamaica), it seems risky to launch such an expensive long-haul proposition after attempts by Air Jamaica and Caribbean’s predecessor BWIA to operate transatlantic flights were less than stellar. British Airways, with an extensive feeder network, is already entrenched in the London Gatwick-Port of Spain route, offering daily flights through a stop-over in St Lucia.

Caribbean is already starting out unreliably, having altered its schedule after encountering certification obstacles that should have been factored into its launch plans.” In November 2006, the announcement was made that the airline would trade in its Heathrow spots to British Airways in favour of a code-sharing agreement with British Airways to Gatwick.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/business/2...irlines-london-service-takes-today



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User currently offlinewestindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13801 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 64):
He said the checks include a physical inspection of the aircraft.

Physical inspections are done before and after every flight! That's nothing special. lol!



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 66, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13728 times:

http://www.guardian.co.tt/business/2...rop-london-route-if-it-loses-money

So who's really running the airline!!??
The Minister of Transportation?
The new(ly) (politically) appointed Chairman? or
The CEO (Ag.)?

The PP Government has turned Caribbean Airlines into a laughing stock.
I'm fed up with the nonsense.

What is the last line about flying Tobago to New York?!? Don't CAL fly that once a week? or was that discontinued?

AA1818



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User currently offlineBW985 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Nov 2007, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13703 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 66):
http://www.guardian.co.tt/business/2...rop-london-route-if-it-loses-money

Maharaj does not seem realize that no-one will book these flights when you make such statements to the press...


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 68, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13697 times:

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 65):
Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 64):
He said the checks include a physical inspection of the aircraft.

Physical inspections are done before and after every flight! That's nothing special. lol!

It becomes special if the inspectors of the TT CAA aren't qualified to do checks on the 767. I can imagine that the delay of this audit might also be due to the TT CAA inspectors not being qualified yet to audit/inspect the 767. It is a new aircraft type for them as well.

A388


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13646 times:

Is CAL still going to run the 767 on LGW-BGI everything seems so low keyed at this point could CAL exit the agreement with the 767?

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 70, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13642 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 69):
Is CAL still going to run the 767 on LGW-BGI everything seems so low keyed at this point could CAL exit the agreement with the 767?

I don't think Caribbean Airlines can back out of their 767 agreement without (very) heavy penalties. Same goes for their ATR72-600's unless they find other suitors for these agreements.

A388


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13581 times:

LIAT releases estimate of losses

ST. JOHN’S, Antigua, June 14, 2012 – Based on currently available information, LIAT estimates that insured losses from the June 10, 2012 fire at its hangar at the V.C. Bird International Airport will be approximately EC$35 million.

The June 10, 2012 fire destroyed one of the company’s Dash 8–300 aircraft (V2 LGH), a hangar and two office buildings.

http://www.nationnews.com/articles/v.../liat-releases-estimate-of-losses/

First thing I said to myself when I read the release was "that's all?" The cost of the aircraft itself is clearly not in this tally as the aircraft was not owned by LIAT. However, EC$35M or US$12.9M seems seriously undervalued as to what was lost. I understand 4 or 5 engines were lost at US$1M a pop. Alot of tools and equipment were also lost. I know a dollar value can't be placed on documents and records, but I hope LI management knows what they're doing with this.



Gonsalves to St Lucia: Fast-track decision

KINGSTOWN, St. Vincent, June 14, CMC – St Vincent and the Grenadines, one of three main shareholder-governments in the regional airline, LIAT, has called on St Lucia to fast-track its decision to invest in the airline in the wake of millions of dollars in fire losses and a weaker-than-anticipated investment from a fourth government.

Prime Minister Dr. Ralph Gonsalves, back from attending the Organisation of Eastern Caribbean States told journalists here has asked his St Lucian counterpart, Dr. Kenny Anthony to fast-track the decision, even as Dominica said it will next week give half of what it intends to invest in LIAT. The Vincentian leader would not reveal the amount of the investment.

“I call my friend Kenny Anthony to speed up the decision-making because he had said they had that under review,” Gonsalves said.

See full article: http://www.nationnews.com/articles/v...s-to-st-lucia-fast-track-decision/

Good to see Dominica making an effort to support LI and I hope St. Lucia does the same.



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 72, posted (2 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13522 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 66):

I am going to say between the chairman and the minister. CAL has unfortunately become a political football and as a result ignorance will ensue.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 71):
Good to see Dominica making an effort to support LI and I hope St. Lucia does the same.

This is quite sad actually. Sure LI gets equity but what is the true cost of this equity? I would like to see the strings that these equity injections are coming with.


Regards
BWIA 772



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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13186 times:

Gov't of Dominica will be investing EC$8 million dollars into LI, half of which would be paid within a week or two. Not a particularly large amount, but hey, better than nothing. I hope the "strings" attached will be proper accountability and management skills rather than ridiculous requests for flights at odd times.

[Edited 2012-06-16 16:48:01]


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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12835 times:

Quoting BW985 (Reply 67):

Well a man wrote in the Guardian blog of his plans to use BA foir Xmas as he cant risk fiunding out in NOv that the route is canceled. This is what happens when those who dont know how to run a business are allowed to do so. HE does have a right to monitor the route. What he doesnt have a right to do is to say so publicly, undermining confidence.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 75, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12828 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 74):

Well a man wrote in the Guardian blog of his plans to use BA foir Xmas as he cant risk fiunding out in NOv that the route is canceled. This is what happens when those who dont know how to run a business are allowed to do so. HE does have a right to monitor the route. What he doesnt have a right to do is to say so publicly, undermining confidence.

It is indeed very strange to say right after the opening ceremony of a route that the same route will be dropped if it doesn't perform well. That doesn't give passengers a lot of confidence in the route. Let's see how it will perform...

A388


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12801 times:

I agree such comments do not inspire confidence has anyone here had the chance to fly on CAL ATR? how have you found them?. Noticed the Q300 is back on the BGI runs any reason why.

Quoting A388 (Reply 75):


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 77, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12827 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 76):
I agree such comments do not inspire confidence has anyone here had the chance to fly on CAL ATR? how have you found them?. Noticed the Q300 is back on the BGI runs any reason why.

I've flown on the ATR a few times between POS and TAB and love it!
Very comfortable, no noticeable difference in travel time. Seats are more comfortable.
Overall passenger experience is much improved. I don't know if I like boarding at the rear though.

AA1818



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12807 times:

Hey guys

Im currently in ANU about watch my BA flight take off  ive got lots of pics so look out for a trip report!



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12784 times:

Will be looking for the trip report considering you guys on the forum take a fair amount of trips we should have more Caribbean trip reports

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 78):


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12782 times:

Nice I travelled on the Q300 when they were brand newI found them nice at the time question did they do a manual safety demo or was it done on the lcd screens?

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 77):


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12738 times:

Quoting baje427 (Reply 79):

Very true, made a special effort to take a good amount of pics ( ended up with 109!), Also I need to add, theres a bit of a surprise on the ANU-MNI leg    Ill try to work on it tonight, but hopefully it'll be all done by tomorrow.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12724 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 81):
Also I need to add, theres a bit of a surprise on the ANU-MNI leg

Another route not being ANU , SKB ? I'm waiting for that! 


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 83, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12716 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 82):

Another route not being ANU , SKB ? I'm waiting for that! 

Well its quite a longish report (in terms of pics, 109! might be trimmed down), but lets just say its something not worth refusing 



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12685 times:

Will be looking forward to your report.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 83):


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12683 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 75):
It is indeed very strange to say right after the opening ceremony of a route that the same route will be dropped if it doesn't perform well. That doesn't give passengers a lot of confidence in the route. Let's see how it will perform...

Well, with these pack of jokers, anything is possible. I'm not surprised that he made that comment on an opening. He isn't one of the brightest out there....actually he's one of the dumbest. To add to that, remember the LGW route, though under study by CAL for some time, was a political popularity show. They wanted to score cheap political points for the unpopular closing of the LHR route by BWIA. Now realizing that the route just cannot be sustained in this economic climate at the moment along with all the other issues facing CAL, he's just attempting to cover his shallow bases; so that when the route is cut, he can say, "I told you so". They know the route is going to be a cash-burner, but just don't want to outright acknowledge this in order to save political face.

My prediction..........LGW will operate for the Olympics period and Hajj (as the Minister recklessly made commitments to transport Muslims to RUH); couple flights for Christmas and then that will be the end of this pipedream. Now, CAL will have 2 B763s on their hands that they'll have to do their best at deploying efficiently and profitably. Shouldn't be too much of an issue with the return of probably 1 B738. It's just that having a sub-fleet of just a couple aircraft is very inefficient for a small airline such as CAL.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 86, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12496 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 85):

Assuming that the route continues as a 2-3X/week POZS LGW nonstop they will have to redeploy the 767 on their JFK route. I assume that means nonstop YYZ GEO and that the use of Omni during peak periods will be vastly reduced.


User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3237 posts, RR: 4
Reply 87, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12415 times:

It is very sad to hear of the hangar fire at LI which destroyed one of their Dash 8 300s. For an airline which has been struggling so much of late it is a major blow. The irony of it all is that within a few days 3 turboprops were burnt out across the world, namely an OK ATR in a hangar fire in PRG and a Wasaya HS-748 in northern Canada and of course the LI plane. Sympathies for all at LI (and the other two companies) after these unfortunate occurrences.

Quoting A388 (Reply 75):

It is indeed very strange to say right after the opening ceremony of a route that the same route will be dropped if it doesn't perform well. That doesn't give passengers a lot of confidence in the route. Let's see how it will perform...

A388

Put simply, that's the quickest way of driving passengers away from your route. Anybody who says anything like that has no idea of how business works. Also, cancellation of the route will have major financial repercussions in terms of the leases of the 767s brought in to fly the services needing to be cancelled, the considerable outlay involved in starting the services and so on. Maybe someone forgot to do his / her homework last night?

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 71):
Gonsalves to St Lucia: Fast-track decision

KINGSTOWN, St. Vincent, June 14, CMC – St Vincent and the Grenadines, one of three main shareholder-governments in the regional airline, LIAT, has called on St Lucia to fast-track its decision to invest in the airline in the wake of millions of dollars in fire losses and a weaker-than-anticipated investment from a fourth government.

Prime Minister Dr. Ralph Gonsalves, back from attending the Organisation of Eastern Caribbean States told journalists here has asked his St Lucian counterpart, Dr. Kenny Anthony to fast-track the decision, even as Dominica said it will next week give half of what it intends to invest in LIAT. The Vincentian leader would not reveal the amount of the investment.

“I call my friend Kenny Anthony to speed up the decision-making because he had said they had that under review,” Gonsalves said.

That's sensible thinking. That SLU and DOM are helping LI, certainly the largest seat providers to both nations, with financial input to keep them going at this most critical time for them is a step in the right direction. SLU seems to have seen the light about paying huge subsidies to foreign airlines who may still turn around and cut routes if they do not bring in the revenue they want. While in some situations such support may be warranted the Islands' coffers are not exactly flush these days and taking precious money away from local schools, roads, hospitals and the like to add to the balance sheets of companies based overseas is shortsighted to say the least. With LI, who provide links to nearby Islands, they are indeed an important local service provider and deserve support.

I really hope things improve at new BW, it's very unfortunate to see what is happening. Please remember that the ICAO audit of TTCAA is ongoing - as is the investigation into the GEO crash last year. The results of these are not only potentially very interesting to hear but one wonders what changes could be brought about as a result of these.

Trintocan.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12416 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 82):
Quoting baje427 (Reply 84):

As promised heres my trip report it includes the surprise but you have to read to the end:

Uni's Over! MAN-LGW-ANU-MNI On BA And SVG Air (by 817Dreamliiner Jun 19 2012 in Trip Reports)

Hope you guys enjoy it!



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 89, posted (2 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 12249 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 88):
Hope you guys enjoy it!

Excellent report 817Dreamliiner. I posted on your trip report.

It's sad indeed to see the LGW route of Caribbean Airlines going as it is now. Those 767 leases must indeed be expensive and probably they cannot bail out without significant penalties (same as those ATR's). I hope everything will be back in shape again sooner, rather than later.

Cheers,

A388


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (2 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 12207 times:

For those of you in T&T given the current pullout of the MSJ from government what implicaions would this have on the T&t government. I dont think CAL will flourish under the current political regime from the changes we have seen.

User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (2 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 12087 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 88):

Once again congrats for the TR! I'm feeling a bit jealous!  
Quoting trintocan (Reply 87):
That's sensible thinking. That SLU and DOM are helping LI, certainly the largest seat providers to both nations

I might no be a fan of LIAT because of their bad service, but if EC islands don't support them? who'll be providing airlift between the islands?


User currently offlinebeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (2 years 2 months ago) and read 12005 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 91):
I might no be a fan of LIAT because of their bad service, but if EC islands don't support them? who'll be providing airlift between the islands?

CAL would step in


User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11969 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 91):
I might no be a fan of LIAT because of their bad service, but if EC islands don't support them? who'll be providing airlift between the islands?
Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 92):
CAL would step in

Even during a good time for BW, many might suggest that they were not the answer to the question posed.

On the interisland trips, BW has cancelled, left me several hours late, and / or missing connections about 1/4 of the time in the past year or so - about the same as during a bad year with LI.
This doesn't include the absolutely weird 90 mnutes hanging out in the KIN immigration area last month for a CAL rep / escort for the odd in transit process (thankfully the KIN immigration guy was top notch and did a LOT more than he needed to to try to get us through the system, up to but not quite exceeding the limit of what any reasonable law would say was allowed...the irony of this is not lost on me - an immigration guy providing above and beyond service and support while the service provider was asleep at the switch - PS - that immigration guy did wonders to make up for the full meal deal I got from KIN immigration / customs last time I went through there a few years ago on a biz trip).

Back on track with airlift to replace LI - for sure BW could replace a lot of the lift, but there are some routes that I think they do with the DH8's that probably rarely go out full - but make some sense in terms of network and incremental use of the existing fleet. Some of those would probably be of little interest to BW which is generally running larger equipement and maxed out on the ability (or desire) to add either DH8 or ATR's.
So if LI were to drop out of the picture, there are some desitnations that are going to be looking for service and may well see much smaller airlines and aircraft (BN-2, DH6, C208, B1900, etc.). Alternatively, the destinations might pay $$$ to subsidize someone larger - an option I believe is wrong for just so many reasons but which I accept is well within the rights of taxpayers to fund if that is the government option they chose.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 94, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11951 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 89):
Excellent report 817Dreamliiner. I posted on your trip report.
Quoting andrefranca (Reply 91):
Once again congrats for the TR! I'm feeling a bit jealous!  
Q

Thanks guys! And andrefranca, I hope you get lucky as I did whenever you decide on coming to MNI.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11958 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 93):
Even during a good time for BW, many might suggest that they were not the answer to the question posed.

  

not wanting to offend beeweel15, BW is in shambles, I WILL BE HONESTLY SURPRISED if they make it to Q4 2013.


User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11945 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 92):
CAL would step in

What a joke.



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User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11882 times:

Is there any update on the ATR or Q400 proposed for LI?

User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11820 times:

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 92):




_

If LI collapses BW will cherry pick the routes that suit them and service in the northern part of LIATs network will suffer greatly. There is absolutely no way that the OECS will allow any entity based in Trinidad to determine their level of air service.

In any case after the KIN fiasco BW will be loathe to undertake any new adventures beyond their POS base.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 99, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11576 times:

US-Suriname initial open skies agreement From www.state.gov - Not in Nederlaans   

Would this mean that AA may fly B737-800 MIA-PBM 2-3 times per week soon?



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 100, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11560 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 99):
Would this mean that AA may fly B737-800 MIA-PBM 2-3 times per week soon?

Now that would be nice....I will start traveling to PBM in January and will do so a couple of times a year going forward. Would be nice to avoid POS...and I am not a real fan of PY



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11521 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 100):
Now that would be nice....I will start traveling to PBM in January and will do so a couple of times a year going forward. Would be nice to avoid POS...and I am not a real fan of PY

You could get to CUR and fly 7I Insel from there.
As for CM to PBM.. most likely it has been studied @ CM route planning department.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 102, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11515 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 101):
As for CM to PBM.. most likely it has been studied @ CM route planning department.

well everything gets studied....but are they interested right now...IMHO not likely.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 101):
You could get to CUR and fly 7I Insel from there.

unless I am going to the other side of the world....i tend to avoid multistops whenever possible



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 103, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11516 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 102):
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 101):
You could get to CUR and fly 7I Insel from there.

unless I am going to the other side of the world....i tend to avoid multistops whenever possible

I think you mean multiple stops with different airlines, right? Because Caribbean Airlines doesn't fly from PTY to POS yet (allowing more conveniency by using one airline from PTY to PBM). By chosing CUR you will also have one stop along the way when using CM and 7I, just as flying via POS (using CM and BW).

A388


User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11510 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 99):
Would this mean that AA may fly B737-800 MIA-PBM 2-3 times per week soon?

Direct PBM to anywhere in North America would really, really make a dfference.
It doesn't matter where to really, but MIA is certainly the most likely.

Probably the worst aspect of flights northwest from PBM though is that you can find a flight out any day of the week between BW, SR, and PY - but they all leave between 6:15am and 7:15 am (occasionally about 10am), but the next bank of flights is....wait for it....tomorrow morning at the same time. Same for arrivals - all flights from the NW arrive between 11pm and 1 am. So while it works not too bad for connections (not as well as you would think though), if you miss a flight / if it cancels, or anything, there are no options. I've spent more than the occasional day hanging out in CUR (excellent place to be 'stuck' for even a few hours), POS (not so good), MIA (blah - pay wifi, need lots of time to get anywhere interesting), BGI (good if time to leave the airport), and so on.
It also means you get to wake up at 2 am for the 7 am flight (1.5 hour to the airport, min 2 hrs before flight checking, hotel shuttles leave about 2:30 am - blah), all for the opprotunity to wait 2 to 5 hours for a cnx in POS or CUR.

So here's hoping that someone figures out the possibilities of direct PBM-MIA, although I don't know how that would work, as I think Suriname is FAA Cat 2 anyway, so as I understand it new direct PBM - MIA flights (there are none now) would be allowed only for US airlines...which might not go over well poltically at the PBM end.

Ironic though, with all the connections and such involved, it is generally easier and more convenient to get to Europe from PBM than it is to anywhere in North America!



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 105, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11508 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 103):
I think you mean multiple stops with different airlines, right? Because Caribbean Airlines doesn't fly from PTY to POS yet (allowing more conveniency by using one airline from PTY to PBM). By chosing CUR you will also have one stop along the way when using CM and 7I, just as flying via POS (using CM and BW).

And to get to CUR from BZE either involves.....BZE-MIA-CUR or BZE-SAL-SJO-PTY-CUR....



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 106, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11502 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 104):
So here's hoping that someone figures out the possibilities of direct PBM-MIA, although I don't know how that would work, as I think Suriname is FAA Cat 2 anyway, so as I understand it new direct PBM - MIA flights (there are none now) would be allowed only for US airlines...which might not go over well poltically at the PBM end.

I'm not so sure about that seeing that PY already flies to MIA with their locally (Surinamese) registered aircraft (albeit via AUA and GEO). When was Suriname downgraded to CAT 2?

A388


User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11472 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 106):
When was Suriname downgraded to CAT 2?

You are probably right - I can't find the current list, but some references say they are CAT 1.
With the downgrade of CUR and BGI recently, I thought maybe being CAT2 was the reason PY does not run a direct PBM-MIA route. I would have thought that would be a good option instead of doing the connection through CUR or POS - at least to do the direct flight once or twice a week. I have only been on the PY flight a couple of times all the way through, so I don't know what percentage of pax are stopping in POS or CUR, and how many are continuing to MIA.



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User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 108, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11476 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 107):
Quoting A388 (Reply 106):

Suriname is a Cat 1 country, the reason why PY has to stop off another destination is because PBM does not meet that TSA security mandate after 9/11. The same would go for AA and any airline wishing to fly to PBM from the US.
I know the problem is being rectified hopefully very soon.

Honesty if AA wanted to service PBM it would have done so a long time ago without open skies, the same goes for GEO.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11408 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 104):
Ironic though, with all the connections and such involved, it is generally easier and more convenient to get to Europe from PBM than it is to anywhere in North America!

Yeah funny though! I've been doing a search return PBM-AMS with both KL and PY are average 800 USD, JJ charging that in brazil? DREAM ON
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 102):

You have a lot of options there in BZE right? but most of them bound to the US...


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11327 times:

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 50):
Care to elaborate?  

LOL, sorry for the late response......had a hectic week with work and well the Miami Heat win.....place has been euphoric past couple days...Anyway, just thought it interesting as I did hear a little rumour, but that has died a quick death.

CAL has a new Line Ministry, or should I say, its original and rightful ministry.......Ministry of Finance. It has been shifted back to Finance after the present administration moved it to the superfluous Transport arm. Also, Minister is Larry Howai, former CEO of First Citizens Bank for many years. He has made the state-owned bank a formidable name globally, being ranked the no.5 safest bank in the Western Hemisphere to invest in. So, there is a silver lining. What remains is a grossly incompetent BoD and diluted management.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 111, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11326 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 109):
You have a lot of options there in BZE right? but most of them bound to the US...

Yes. Except for TA. CM is overdue   



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User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11259 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 108):
I know the problem is being rectified hopefully very soon.

Thanks for the info which certainly answers why they stop elsewhere, etc.
The security reason probably then explains why work seems to be (finally) advancing a lot recently on completing the new PBM terminal - much of it has been built but not finished for about 4 years, but which for 3 of those years almost nothing was done.
Groundside the new terminal looks like it is almost ready to be used (which might mean next month or two years, another story though). So, they still only use the older terminal for departures, but arrivals (customs and bags) have been in the new terminal for a few years now.



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User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 113, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 11207 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 110):
CAL has a new Line Ministry, or should I say, its original and rightful ministry.......Ministry of Finance. It has been shifted back to Finance after the present administration moved it to the superfluous Transport arm.

Can you confirm this? I would really prefer this arrangement if true.



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User currently offlinecaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11201 times:

Quoting Inbound (Reply 113):
Can you confirm this? I would really prefer this arrangement if true.

Afrim Inbound, CAL will now report over to the ministry of Finance and hopefully a new competent management and board come along.



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11132 times:

"Bankers hail Howai as Finance Minister"

Chief executive officer of First Citizens Group, Larry Howai, is T&T’s new Finance Minister. Howai could not be reached for comment but First Citizens in a statement confirmed: “Mr Howai has decided to be of service to the country by taking up this national assignment as Minister of Finance.”

Commenting, Ronald Harford, chairman of Republic Bank Limited said he was not surprised by the appointment. “We all know Howai has done an excellent job at First Citizens. It’s risen in stature under his reign. He is well-qualified. We wish him the best. Based on his track record he has great promise.”

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-...ankers-hail-howai-finance-minister

I must say, he would have been an excellent successor to Brunton as CAL CEO. He has extensive experience with state enterprises as FCB is state-owned. FCB is actually the epitome of how all state enterprises should be run.

He's Finance Minister now, but I don't think that guarantees CAL's board getting an overhaul. But, let's wait and see.......
I'm just so glad that two of the worst politically appointed misfits have been removed....that being nicholas and maharaj. Now, another 6 to go (board members) and CAL could finally try and start to rebuild.



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 116, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11075 times:

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 108):
Suriname is a Cat 1 country, the reason why PY has to stop off another destination is because PBM does not meet that TSA security mandate after 9/11. The same would go for AA and any airline wishing to fly to PBM from the US.
I know the problem is being rectified hopefully very soon.

Honesty if AA wanted to service PBM it would have done so a long time ago without open skies, the same goes for GEO.

That clears it up, thanks Caribbean484!!! I'm a bit wiser now 
Quoting BW424 (Reply 115):
"Bankers hail Howai as Finance Minister"

Let's hope Caribbean Airlines can now get everything in order now.

A388


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10911 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 115):
"Bankers hail Howai as Finance Minister"

Let's hope for the best indeed! before that I was thinking "CAL is gone in 3,2,1...."  


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10880 times:

Can you guys confirm when AA will discontinue DFW-BGI I see the flight still operates on Saturdays.

User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 119, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10831 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 117):
Let's hope for the best indeed! before that I was thinking "CAL is gone in 3,2,1...."
Quoting A388 (Reply 116):
Let's hope Caribbean Airlines can now get everything in order now.

Well, the major issue is the board and I'm not certain that it will be changed.


It is reported that CAL's cabin crews are having 3 night or 6 night layovers in LGW depending on the flight they operate. Must be an extreme financial drain.



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10829 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 119):
It is reported that CAL's cabin crews are having 3 night or 6 night layovers in LGW depending on the flight they operate. Must be an extreme financial drain.

Operating POS-LGW red-eyes and LGW-POS red-eyes would mean B767 lots of hours @LGW tarmac but the same crew would be flying it to and from LGW.
BW should check if that schedule is suitable for BW crews and the current airline needs of those B767.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10805 times:

"Devant Maharaj: Lok Jack can’t advise me"

"TRANSPORT MINISTER Devant Maharaj said he is not taking any advice from former Caribbean Airlines (CAL) chairman Arthur Lok Jack or using a report developed by the board which Lok Jack chaired, in order to determine which routes the airline will or will not be pursuing under its merger arrangement with Air Jamaica. Maharaj made this declaration when he spoke to reporters following the launch of CAL’s Trinidad to Gatwick, London service at Piarco International Airport last Thursday."

http://www.newsday.co.tt/businessday/0,162096.html


When you read this article, it's a real blessing that CAL is no longer under him and AWAY from the transport ministry.



It is what we think we know already that prevents us from learning.......
User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10759 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 121):
When you read this article, it's a real blessing that CAL is no longer under him and AWAY from the transport ministry.

Agreed. 100%
Good riddance!



Maintain own separation with terrain!
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 123, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10611 times:

I haven't read much of the Air Jamaica operation in Jamaica, what's the status of this? Will Caribbean Airlines stop their Jamaican operation alltogether or partially or not? It was a hot topic a few weeks/months ago?

A388


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 124, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10556 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 123):
I haven't read much of the Air Jamaica operation in Jamaica, what's the status of this? Will Caribbean Airlines stop their Jamaican operation alltogether or partially or not? It was a hot topic a few weeks/months ago?

I guess no news is good news? But like you, im curious on whats happening with the Jamaica operation.



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User currently offlinewestindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10536 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 121):
When you read this article, it's a real blessing that CAL is no longer under him and AWAY from the transport ministry.
Quoting Inbound (Reply 122):
Agreed. 100%
Good riddance!

What exactly is the job of the Transport Minister?

Quoting A388 (Reply 123):
I haven't read much of the Air Jamaica operation in Jamaica, what's the status of this? Will Caribbean Airlines stop their Jamaican operation alltogether or partially or not? It was a hot topic a few weeks/months ago?

I'm going to be armchair CEO for a bit and propose an idea to you guys.
  • LI, BW, TX, 7I, and 9H form some type of Caribbean or West Indies Alliance (someone can come up with a nice name for it...) -- more so the first three, but the latter two would be a good addition. While it would be advantageous to join one of the larger, well-established alliances such as OneWorld, Star, and SkyTeam, this would at least allow the region to start somewhere.

  • With this alliance in place, concentrate the routes of these carriers to best utilize the hubs already well-established: POS, ANU, KIN/MBJ, FDF, PTP, AUA, and CUR. The respective airlines can have the routes that best serve their home bases, and allow for code sharing and revenue sharing to best suit connections within the region. This provides for better utilization of these carriers' aircraft.

  • Let LI serve the OECS, SJU, and the Virgin Islands from ANU, while getting feed from BW from KIN, United States, POS, as well as connecting feed in PTP from Europe by TX.

  • On the Jamaica side of BW, flights can flow to/from the US, Mexico, Cuba, AUA/CUR (in partnership with 7I and 9H), Central America, etc., better utilizing MBJ/KIN (and thus the Jamaica brand doesn't have to die, but rather be revived).

  • With this alliance, the respective carriers can also code share on routes they share, which potentially can (not saying it's likely) open the door for routes such as POS-KIN/MBJ, POS-CUR/AUA, PTP/FDF-KIN/MBJ, etc., to be flown by both carriers and be profitable.
  • Along with this alliance, form a comprehensive FF program, allowing for more incentive for many to use any/all of these carriers for their travel needs.


I can go on and on with the spoke of the hubs of the respective carriers, but I'll leave that for others to brainstorm (I don't have much time to post this...lol). My feeling is this can bring more cooperation and financial stability (at least on the business side) within the region, and increase competition with the foreign carriers.

I'm done with the armchair CEO hat. I'll hand it over to you guys.



God did not create aircraft pilots to be on the ground
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 126, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10529 times:

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 125):
I'm going to be armchair CEO for a bit and propose an idea to you guys.

LI, BW, TX, 7I, and 9H form some type of Caribbean or West Indies Alliance (someone can come up with a nice name for it...) -- more so the first three, but the latter two would be a good addition. While it would be advantageous to join one of the larger, well-established alliances such as OneWorld, Star, and SkyTeam, this would at least allow the region to start somewhere.


With this alliance in place, concentrate the routes of these carriers to best utilize the hubs already well-established: POS, ANU, KIN/MBJ, FDF, PTP, AUA, and CUR. The respective airlines can have the routes that best serve their home bases, and allow for code sharing and revenue sharing to best suit connections within the region. This provides for better utilization of these carriers' aircraft.

Nice idea but to start, 7I and 9H are competitors and in my view will not be working together in any way, let alone in the same alliance. Secondly, the hubs you propose are too close to each other. Having a hub in both AUA and CUR doesn't make the coverage in the Caribbean any better, on the contrary it duplicates unnecessarily. Having hubs in KIN, POS and CUR is a much more effective and cost efficient way of covering the entire Caribbean as you will have a triangular network with covers all three corners of the Caribbean. This will mean consolidation of routes and probably airlines which will probably be translated to consolidating the participating airlines as well as we see happening all around us.

The French speaking islands can also form part of such an alliance so they can have their activities centered in FDF/PTP. The French Caribbean and English Caribbean islands are really two worlds apart in my experience and they serve their own markets, nothing more. Especially the airlines of the French speaking islands are mainly interested in growing their own markets and don't really care that much about what's happening outside their bubble so to speak. Due to this, they can however be a nice addition to covering a truly Caribbean network that will cover all areas of the Caribbean.

7I and 9H also have practically the same network (about 80-90 percent of their networks is similar to each other). I see a bigger problem with combining or making all the airlines of the English speaking islands work together as they mostly serve the same destinations. Based on what I read here in the forum, I see a lot of difficulties with LI and BW co-operating and/or sharing markets they both serve. It would be like asking LAN to join forces with AV.

A388

[Edited 2012-06-25 10:31:09]

User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 127, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10527 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 100):

Doubt it. If AA doesnt service GEO, which has vastly more traffic to the USA, I hardly see them doing PBM. Especialy as the bulk of those traveling are Surinamers who I suspect are quite happy to use the 5x week PY service.

Quoting BE77 (Reply 104):

PY does 5x to MIA. 3X AUA where you clear US customs/immigration, and 2x via GEO. No need to change unless JFK is your destination, in which case BW offers easy connections via POS. AA is not interesting in speculative routes at this time, so PBM (and GEO) are off the table.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 125):

Dont see this working as both CUR and FDF/PTP are parts of the EU, arent sovereign and so it will get quite complicated from a legal/regulatory point of view. So which authority will regulate this mega carrier? If there are issues between BW/JM, BW/LI and BW/PY I hardly see this much more complex arrangement working, and indeed the French Antiles are part of France, not the Caribbean.

In any case these islands are poorly integrated with the CARICOM nations so I dontr see why it will work from a business point of view either. While airlines might like hubs passengers dont so there is no guarantee of success with multiple hubs straggled all over the Caribbean.

An alliance that will be better is BW/PY/LI. With BW and PY operating joint code on some sectors to minimize duplication of services.. LI of course remains a separate entity with an operaing alliance with BW. It makes no sense for LI to merge with BW.


User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10487 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 127):
PY does 5x to MIA
Quoting guyanam (Reply 127):
No need to change

I travel to PBM quite a bit (say 10* per year), and probably use BW 65%, 7I and PY the rest of the time.
BW mostly because of the POS-YYZ connection northbound.
When that doesn't work, it becomes a selection of who can get me where soonest, with the highest probability of success (all have left me delayed or missing connections!).
A direct service, non-stop PBM-MIA would be of great interest to myself, and a lot of others as well. Timing is tight enough that a lot of onward connections from MIA are missed because of the extra couple hours lost with the stop, especially if you will need (like myself) at least two more flights after getting to MIA.

Pre-clearence in AUA has no value for me personally since my mean time in an immigration hall in Canada or the US is under 1 minute - I love my Nexus card, especially now that it works at all GOES locations.

So - I'm still hoping for a direct flight!



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 129, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10476 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 128):
I travel to PBM quite a bit (say 10* per year), and probably use BW 65%, 7I and PY the rest of the time.

Lets wish CM to fly to PBM someday and you could have the choice of YYZ-PTY-PBM, earning miles with Air Canada or United because Star Alliance.
  



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 130, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10437 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 128):
I love my Nexus card, especially now that it works at all GOES locations.

Amen to the nexus card!



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10415 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 129):
earning miles with Air Canada or United because Star Alliance

I usually max out the *A miles by using AC for YYZ-BGI on the way south as it's the same travel time as any other route, and more reliable than most to get that far. flights to airports with more than one option.

Going north the connections usually don't work - sadly, this is only due to the POS home team rules that make it impossible to connect from any of the PBM flights onto the UA POS>IAH flight which is really more in the direction I want to go...and would get me home about 4 hours earlier. Any other *A flights usually mean I get home later - and I don't need miles THAT bad  

YYZ-PTY-PBM would be easier if connection times worked for sure - a little longer, but a single connection at an airport with multiple options in case of a delay is worth a lot in my world! Only a little bit longer distance, but no island hopping, so time would balance probably.

CM direct would be good for lots of other reasons though - mostly so Surinamese citizens could get to the west coast without having to transit the US, or anywhere else they need visas. We have snet people to Panama, Peru, Chile, etc., from time to time, and depending on the nationality, it can be a challenge to line up all the papers. Transiting PTY would help since at least Surinamese don't need a visa to transit (although they do if intending to leave the airport). Only consideration would be if there was enough traffic - perhaps on a weekly to 3X weekly service.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10376 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 128):

The issue is that PBM can't guarantee viable nonstop MIA service year round. If that were viable PY would have done that long ago.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10330 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 132):
The issue is that PBM can't guarantee viable nonstop MIA service year round. If that were viable PY would have done that long ago.

If PY had tried MIA with origin in BEL or FOR another would have been the performance.

Quoting BE77 (Reply 131):
CM direct would be good for lots of other reasons though - mostly so Surinamese citizens could get to the west coast without having to transit the US, or anywhere else they need visas. We have snet people to Panama, Peru, Chile, etc., from time to time, and depending on the nationality, it can be a challenge to line up all the papers. Transiting PTY would help since at least Surinamese don't need a visa to transit (although they do if intending to leave the airport). Only consideration would be if there was enough traffic - perhaps on a weekly to 3X weekly service.

As far as I know, Surinamese passport holders don't need visas to transit PTY and don't need visas to entry into Panama as long as they hold valid U.S., Canadian or Schengen visas.
In an event CM does fly to PBM, pretty sure Panama would ease a bit the entry requirements for Surinamese, as Panama has done with Trinidad & Tobago, Jamaica and even Haïti.



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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 134, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10323 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 123):
what's the status of this? Will Caribbean Airlines stop their Jamaican operation alltogether or partially or not? It was a hot topic a few weeks/months ago?

Nothing has really changed. Pulling out of Jamaica is certainly out of the question as the GOJ has a 16% stake and well, if CAL really wants to gain at least some critical mass, Jamaica is integral to that objective. One thing that appears to be sure.......all JM painted a/c will be repainted. The stupid dual-brand nonsense imposed by Nicholas finally caught up with the authorities.....JM logos are being removed from CAL painted a/c as well.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 125):
What exactly is the job of the Transport Minister?

The original purpose was to let a spoiled child keep is job as chairman of CAL. Now, the ministry is rather superfluous. It was originally Works and Transport and should be returned to that amalgamation.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 135, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10276 times:

KL AMS-HAV will rise their frequencies from 3x up to 4x weekly next year:

KL 723.......AMS 11:00...........HAV 15:15............Mo, Tu, Th, Sa........330
KL 724.......HAV 17:15...........AMS 08:30+1........Mo, Tu, Th, Sa........330
Effective: June 03, 2013.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 136, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10155 times:

Quoting BW424 (Reply 134):

Nothing has really changed. Pulling out of Jamaica is certainly out of the question as the GOJ has a 16% stake and well, if CAL really wants to gain at least some critical mass, Jamaica is integral to that objective. One thing that appears to be sure.......all JM painted a/c will be repainted. The stupid dual-brand nonsense imposed by Nicholas finally caught up with the authorities.....JM logos are being removed from CAL painted a/c as well.

Thanks for the update BW424 but is it really wise for Caribbean Airlines to get rid of the Air Jamaica painted aircraft seeing how Jamaicans apparently despise Caribbean Airlines? Won't they lose even more ground by removing the Air Jamaica colors? A 16% stake really isn't that much by the way.

I still hope they will retain the Air Jamaica colors as I still want to photograph it!!!

A388


User currently offlineBE77 From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10138 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 136):
seeing how Jamaicans apparently despise Caribbean Airlines?

Probably a true statement. Repainting the aircraft won't affect it though since people still know what the story is.
Despising BW is an international hobby - in fact, it might be doing more to unite the region than all of the Official Missions, Caricom, and so on by providing common ground between different people. Quick, what does the average Trini, Bajan, Jamaican, and Guyanese have in common? (2nd best answer is really good rum)

Also, despising BW doesn't stop people flying on them when they have to (I present me as proof of my viewpoint).



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 138, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10115 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 137):
Despising BW is an international hobby - in fact, it might be doing more to unite the region than all of the Official Missions, Caricom, and so on by providing common ground between different people. Quick, what does the average Trini, Bajan, Jamaican, and Guyanese have in common? (2nd best answer is really good rum)

And we should support them...just like we do with other pan-Caribbean companies.....

Incidentally, I always amuse myself with all the rah rah "I only support the Jamaican / Trini company talk" when I visit the islands, yet i see them streaming in and out of companies they think are Caribbean yet are held by big multinationals. (Eg. Courts Caribbean being owned by SAL based Siman)



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User currently offlinewestindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 139, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10093 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 127):
Dont see this working as both CUR and FDF/PTP are parts of the EU, arent sovereign and so it will get quite complicated from a legal/regulatory point of view. So which authority will regulate this mega carrier? If there are issues between BW/JM, BW/LI and BW/PY I hardly see this much more complex arrangement working, and indeed the French Antiles are part of France, not the Caribbean.

I thought the ABC islands were granted full independence. I might have been mistaken.

I wasn't thinking of merging the carriers to form a mega carrier. Just merely an alliance.

Quoting A388 (Reply 126):
Having hubs in KIN, POS and CUR is a much more effective and cost efficient way of covering the entire Caribbean as you will have a triangular network with covers all three corners of the Caribbean. This will mean consolidation of routes and probably airlines which will probably be translated to consolidating the participating airlines as well as we see happening all around us.

This is exactly what I was thinking. I should have said AUA or CUR instead of both. However, your points echo mine.

Quoting A388 (Reply 126):
The French speaking islands can also form part of such an alliance so they can have their activities centered in FDF/PTP. The French Caribbean and English Caribbean islands are really two worlds apart in my experience and they serve their own markets, nothing more. Especially the airlines of the French speaking islands are mainly interested in growing their own markets and don't really care that much about what's happening outside their bubble so to speak. Due to this, they can however be a nice addition to covering a truly Caribbean network that will cover all areas of the Caribbean.

Point taken.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 140, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10103 times:

Was browsing the Caribbean Airlines facebook page and found these:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7240/7356129190_8b91ded945_b.jpg
Caribbean Airlines B767-300ER (CC-CDP) by AeroArturoZ, on Flickr

the second 767 for CAL

http://www.gacetaeronautica.com/gaceta/wp-101/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IMG_4548.jpg
winglets painted CC-CEB

I also found this article posted numerous times:

http://newsday.co.tt/letters/0,162240.html

Quote:
CAL moves dread over ‘locks’?

THE EDITOR: If you have “locks”, forget about being a flight attendant with Caribbean Airlines.

They've responded that they will investigate the matter.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 141, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

Quoting BE77 (Reply 137):
Probably a true statement. Repainting the aircraft won't affect it though since people still know what the story is.
Despising BW is an international hobby - in fact, it might be doing more to unite the region than all of the Official Missions, Caricom, and so on by providing common ground between different people.
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 138):
And we should support them...just like we do with other pan-Caribbean companies.....

Good points, I was just repeating what I have read so far in the forum. The Trinidad/Jamaica discussions have amazed me but as I have said every time, I wish them both the best of luck and I hope I can still photograph those Air Jamaica 738's in a few years.

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10044 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 133):

PY already has a MIA PBM BEL service. If there is not viable traffic to FOR from PBM then it makes no sense to service that city as there will not be enough thru service from MIA to fill the plane. I vaguely remember, though I might be wrong, that some airline tried MIA FOR service some time back. Apparently it didnt work. This carrier would have been either a brand name US or Brazilian carrier. If I am correct, clearly better able to develop this market than a tiny struggling Surinamese airline.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 134):

The KIN base has been cut as far as it can be, with much of its overheads now consolidated with BWs main operations. If this base continues to lose $30MM it is not sustainable. Even though the PPP is more CARICOM friendly than the JLP the Jcan govt has massive financial difficulties and has no money to subsidize these routes if they continue to be money losers. GORTT cant do it either as even T&T now has its budgetary issues and T&T taxpayers will be deeply hostile to $$$ being spent to subsidize another CARICOM nation.

And please dont attach any importance to the 16% holding. IF BW loses $ it has no value, and Jca is certainly not going to contribute 16% of any govt bail out that CAL might need.

In an case why waste $$$ to repaint the planes? How will this improve the financial performance of the KIN operations? What is done is done. And you do know that many Jcans have threatened to bolt once "Air Jamaica" has been removed. With Jetblue being quite aggressive to attract their patronage........what can I say. Given that BW does almost no marketing how is this dual brand financially draining? The reservations, ground and maintenance engineering has already been gutted so really where is the duplication in areas where costs are incurred?

And as to critical mass....well this is fast disappearing as the KIN base has been cut back.

BW has to regain its status as the largest carrier to Jamaica out of the USA by winning back those Jcans who have fled. As of now many only stay beause of the more liberal baggage allowance.


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10020 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 138):
And we should support them...just like we do with other pan-Caribbean companies.....

Although I'm not caribbean I try to support caribbean goods! better BW than AA where most of employees can't even point your island on the map.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 139):
I thought the ABC islands were granted full independence. I might have been mistaken.

I don't even like to think about it, full independence to certain dutch caribbean islands could be catastrophic, that's the why SAB EUX and BON had their doubts and after some time, have decided to pull out of Netherlands Antilles and return to "mother Holland"...

BTW guys was posted on a another forum, Bahamasair has received their second "new" 737

http://skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=3


User currently offlineInbound From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 144, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10018 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 142):
In an case why waste $$$ to repaint the planes? How will this improve the financial performance of the KIN operations?

I think this has to do with the audit. They cannot have 2 "brands" under one AOC. That's why they are removing the JM stickers from the original CAL planes.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 145, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9986 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 143):
that's the why SAB EUX and BON had their doubts and after some time, have decided to pull out of Netherlands Antilles and return to "mother Holland"...

SAB, EUX and BON aren't exactly happy now either.

A388


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9964 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 145):

at the moment they have many choices? I don't think so, unless they become Singapore-like islands!


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 147, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 146):
at the moment they have many choices? I don't think so, unless they become Singapore-like islands!

Yes, they have choices. That's what democracy is all about.

A388


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 148, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9932 times:

Quoting Inbound (Reply 144):
CAL moves dread over ‘locks’?

Well which "intelligent" person under the Lok Jack regime didnt know about the AOC limitations. Before any one pretends as if the dual brand idea is new I will remind them of the tagline "On the way to one Caribbean Airline" with TWO brands clearly linked, and with a temporary Jamaican brand to temper the disappoint felt by many patriots that the "Little Piece of Jamaica which flies" had its wings clipped.


User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3237 posts, RR: 4
Reply 149, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

Quoting guyanam (Reply 127):

Dont see this working as both CUR and FDF/PTP are parts of the EU, arent sovereign and so it will get quite complicated from a legal/regulatory point of view.

Slightly off aviation but relevant to the present discussions. CUR is not in the EU but FDF and PTP are. The last few years have seen a number of changes among the Dutch and French Islands. On the Dutch side, The Netherlands Antilles are no more. Aruba left back in 1986 and gained a separate status as an associated part of The Netherlands - i.e. it gained an individual status as a country of The Netherlands paralleling that of The Netherlands Antilles. More recently Curacao and St. Maarten became associated component countries of The Netherlands in their own rights while Bonaire, Saba and St. Eustatius together became part of The Netherlands proper, under the name The Netherlands Caribbean. It is thus ironic that this thread was dedicated to Anguilla and features a map at the start, a glimpse of the map should clarify things. Thus the Kingdom of the Netherlands comprises four countries - Aruba, Curacao, St. Maarten and The Netherlands (including The Netherlands Caribbean). Only The Netherlands Caribbean is part of the EU, not CUR, AUA or SXM.

Over on the French side similar developments took place around 3 years ago with respect to Guadeloupe's dependencies. St. Barts and St. Martin became Overseas Collectivities of France, a status similar to that of St. Pierre & Miquelon or French Polynesia (Tahiti). They are thus French-owned territories with measures of autonomy but not integral parts of France. St. Martin remains in the EU though. Guadeloupe remains a Department d'Outre Mer and thus fully part of France and the EU. Again that map comes in useful - note the maritime border between St. Barts and St Martin which would not have existed prior to 2009.

Trintocan.



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User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 150, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9928 times:

Quoting trintocan (Reply 149):

Help me understand something. If AUA,CUR and SXM are jurisdictions within the Kingdom of the Netherlands, and that Kingdom is within the EU seems quite odd that these Caribbean "nations" will not be? Seems quite complicated if they arent independent, are within the Kingdom but yet really arent. As a comparison PR is a territory which has connections to, but is not an integral part of the USA as it is note a state.

Is it that one part of the Kingdom is part of the EU, but the remaining 3 parts arent? What does that do for "citizens" of the three in terms of their rights to enter and live in the EU?

Also can SXM,CUR and AUA adopt their own foreign policies, including negotiating route rights w/o reference to the Kingdom. In other words can SXM become part of CARICOM and select BW as its international carrier?

If that is the case, and BW develops some competencies in marketing to the leisure sector, that provides some opportunities to expand to new markets in N America using SXM which is a very strong destination.

This also opens up opportunities for LIAT as a joint code with WM becomes possible, solving their problem with NEV and other small islands where their Dash 8 300s are too big. WM takes over.


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9883 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 147):
That's what democracy is all about.

They used their democracy to chose, if you don't remeber.... but now.... tic tac tic tac time is running.

Quoting trintocan (Reply 149):
The Netherlands (including The Netherlands Caribbean). Only The Netherlands Caribbean is part of the EU, not CUR, AUA or SXM

haaaam well their immigration is not (yet) unified, at least not when I went there last year... another thing which is funny, I tried dutch to some people in SXM they were not able to answer..... but they told me their parents can speak dutch! So as brazilian I know more dutch than they and they're netherlands? LOL, well Brazil was also dutch colony but it was a long time ago.... English is king on these islands these days, dutch only used on GOV...

Quoting guyanam (Reply 150):
Is it that one part of the Kingdom is part of the EU, but the remaining 3 parts arent? What does that do for "citizens" of the three in terms of their rights to enter and live in the EU?

maybe A388 will be able to answer, but I heard from a curaçoan, he didn't have automatically the "right of abode" he needed to find a job in holland, without that he'd have a certain time to return to CUR or face removal! that was shocking but that's what he said! but still they carry dutch passport..... on the other hand some dutchs told me they had to have certain requirements to live on the islands, it was supposed to be easier to retired people....


User currently offlineguyanam From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 152, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9880 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 151):

Surrounded by English speaking islands, with many of the local St Maarteners/St Martiners being descended from migrations from these islands, not only is English the core language on that island but most even speak English creole dialects akin to that spoken in the VI. Its likely that the older ones might know Dutch from their days in the refineries of CUR and AUA 50-60 years ago.

If St Maarten is a defacto independent island, only "Dutch" to the extent that it can get money from the official purse, I can well imagine that the very few signs of any connection to the Netherlands will be further diminished. Indeed its likely that as many if not more SXMers live in the USA than in Europe. Language being the chief reason.

In fact on the French side there is a problem with many locals not being fluent in French. The French run their territories with a heavy hand and since they became interested in St Martin in the early 90s (before that St Martin was an impoverished appendage of the more prosperous Dutch side) it has changed from an English mainly, to a French ONLY island for official purposes. The result being that locals, who speak French as a second language (at best), and many not at all, have been squeezed out with many forced to work on teh Dutch side while migrants from France and the French Antilles and Haiti get the jobs on the French side.

What is interesting about St Maarten/St Martin isnt the contrasing Dutchness or Frenchness. Its is about how the different attitudes to colonization have bred different societies, even though there is absolutley no difference between the local population on either side.

St Maarten/St Martin, like the USV,I are an integral part of the English speaking Caribbean despite not having a strong heritage of British colonial rule.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 153, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9756 times:

Looks like BGI had a nice visitor the other day:


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9768 posts, RR: 11
Reply 154, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9726 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 151):
They used their democracy to chose, if you don't remeber.... but now.... tic tac tic tac time is running.

Again, they can still chose, that is what democracy is all about.

A388


User currently offlinebaje427 From Barbados, joined Jul 2011, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9664 times:

Nice to see BGI make it on the first page for photos has anyone heard any reviews of CAL's service standards recently?

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 153):


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 156, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9632 times:

Little dickie bird telling me that B6 are about to announce 3 new latin/caribbean routes for late 2012 start. stand by


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User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 5
Reply 157, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9584 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 156):
Little dickie bird telling me that B6 are about to announce 3 new latin/caribbean routes for late 2012 start. stand by

Antigua ple