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Air India Hiring 90 Pilots To Fight Union Strike  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1950 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

Apparently the Indian Government has hardened its position against the AI pilots union, whose ( around 400 ) members are "calling sick" in the last month.

The government announced the hiring of 90 pilots and the intention of launching new flights to Hong Kong, Osaka and Seoul.

http://atwonline.com/operations-main...-more-pilots-strike-continues-0607


How the union will react ?

Thoughts ?


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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
launching new flights to Hong Kong, Osaka and Seoul.

New flights or restarting existing routes..... that were cancelled since strike began...



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 1):

New flights or restarting existing routes..... that were cancelled since strike began...

  

HKG, KIX, and ICN have been suspended since the agitation began.

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):


Apparently the Indian Government has hardened its position against the AI pilots union, whose ( around 400 ) members are "calling sick" in the last month.

This is surprising, I'm happy that the government is finally showing some spine, but there are many other places where this spine would be much more helpful.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1065 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

Are these ex-IT pilots?

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5929 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 3):
Are these ex-IT pilots?

Most certainly not. IT was an all-Airbus fleet, and these are 777 pilots on strike.

If AI was looking for Airbus pilots, they would train their own ICPA (non-striking) pilots in house.



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User currently offlineYTZ From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Terrible decision. Those pilots really got the shaft with the merger. Now the government sticks to them again to look tough? Any respect I had for AI is disappearing quickly.

User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

Surely they would be better off negotiating a deal on flying the B787.

I know everyone wants to fly the "shiny new plane", but the more flights that are operating, the more chance of getting a seat on the B787.

IMO, it makes more sense to start by converting Boeing pilots. My understanding is that conversion time is likely to be shorter for pilots who already fly Boeing jets.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

Quoting YTZ (Reply 5):
Terrible decision. Those pilots really got the shaft with the merger. Now the government sticks to them again to look tough? Any respect I had for AI is disappearing quickly.

The pilots did get the shaft, but they're hardly badly off afterwards - they are still getting a salary that is 9 times higher than that a PhD scientist would get at DRDO. This shows our priorities - a loss making airline is more important than our defense.

The entitled attitude at AI needs to go, and the pilots made themselves an obvious target. They've brought this upon themselves, though a poorly thought out and executed strike, and a complete failure at PR. Now they pay the price.

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 6):
Surely they would be better off negotiating a deal on flying the B787.

Not really - the ICPA (non-striking) 787 pilots will be ready to fly in just a few weeks.

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 6):
I know everyone wants to fly the "shiny new plane", but the more flights that are operating, the more chance of getting a seat on the B787.

This strike is unlikely to have any significant effect on the number of 787 flights operated.

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 6):
IMO, it makes more sense to start by converting Boeing pilots. My understanding is that conversion time is likely to be shorter for pilots who already fly Boeing jets.

Correct, it is both faster and cheaper to convert Boeing pilots. One suggestion has been to convert IX (Air India Express) pilots to fly the 777 and 787, but IX is also understaffed right now.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 315 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Apparently the Indian Government has hardened its position against the AI pilots union, whose ( around 400 ) members are "calling sick" in the last month.

The government announced the hiring of 90 pilots and the intention of launching new flights to Hong Kong, Osaka and Seoul.

This is so that the Minister and Air India can publicly say "we held our ground" while still allowing the 100+ sacked pilots to return to the airline.

One has to understand the sordid intricacies of Indian politics. Just a brief explanation I request you to please bear with.

The striking IPG is headed by a NCP politician (Nationalist Congress Party) which is headed by Mr. Sharad Pawar, a very powerful politician long suspected as one the most corrupt in India. The former civil aviation minister Praful Patel, whom most Indians regard as the man who killed Air India to benefit Jet Airways, is Mr. Pawar's right hand man.

The NCP is a major partner of the ruling UPA alliance. Ajit Singh has a small political base and his RLD party is a recent entry to the UPA. The ministry has been given as a quid-pro-quo for support in recent elections. The most likely scenario is the NCP "nudging" the Congress party, which in turn would have instructed Mr. Ajit Singh to open up this back door. Why else would the minister announce that the sacked pilots were welcome to apply to these open positions? In any other airline, if you are terminated, for cause, you do not ever get re-hired.

You don't honestly expect the Rs. 30,000 Crore bailout is to save Air India now is it? That is naive. It is being funnelled so that all the political and labour aristocracy can continue feeding and leeching off the airline.

Boeing will give compensation to Air India. Politicians will publicly claim they fought for their national carrier while at the back end how long before Boeing recovers its "compensation" with increased prices for spares and service? Along with Dreamliners, will come hordes of spares, dozens of new equipment, ladders, tugs, etc. The division of the money has already been done.

To better understand the manipulation of the Indian economy by the politicians and their entire gravy train, I strongly recommend reading this article, written by T.N. Ninan, one of India's most senior and respected journalists. http://www.business-standard.com/res...gooder-economicsthe-lokpal/460973/

The editors of a magazine called gFiles wrote a couple of allegations, detailed massive fraud during the tenure of Mr. Patel. They published these articles as a suo-moto petition for the cognisance of the Supreme Court of India. No one has challenged them or filed for defamation, as this would automatically activate the petition and will require a listening by the court. http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...magazine-accuses-systemic-and.html



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User currently offlinegoacom From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 8):
You don't honestly expect the Rs. 30,000 Crore bailout is to save Air India now is it? That is naive. It is being funnelled so that all the political and labour aristocracy can continue feeding and leeching off the airline.

This is very true and it high time that AI apologists like Aeroblogger figure this out!


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 8):
This is so that the Minister and Air India can publicly say "we held our ground" while still allowing the 100+ sacked pilots to return to the airline.

One has to understand the sordid intricacies of Indian politics. Just a brief explanation I request you to please bear with.

The striking IPG is headed by a NCP politician (Nationalist Congress Party) which is headed by Mr. Sharad Pawar, a very powerful politician long suspected as one the most corrupt in India. The former civil aviation minister Praful Patel, whom most Indians regard as the man who killed Air India to benefit Jet Airways, is Mr. Pawar's right hand man.

The NCP is a major partner of the ruling UPA alliance. Ajit Singh has a small political base and his RLD party is a recent entry to the UPA. The ministry has been given as a quid-pro-quo for support in recent elections. The most likely scenario is the NCP "nudging" the Congress party, which in turn would have instructed Mr. Ajit Singh to open up this back door. Why else would the minister announce that the sacked pilots were welcome to apply to these open positions? In any other airline, if you are terminated, for cause, you do not ever get re-hired.

You don't honestly expect the Rs. 30,000 Crore bailout is to save Air India now is it? That is naive. It is being funnelled so that all the political and labour aristocracy can continue feeding and leeching off the airline.

Wow.... I had no idea about the degree of corruption related with this situation in AI...looks like there is a veeeeeery long time for a "normal" situation. Sad.

Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 315 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 10):
Wow.... I had no idea about the degree of corruption related with this situation in AI...looks like there is a veeeeeery long time for a "normal" situation. Sad.

Actually do read the Ninan and gfiles articles. They will open your eyes to the institutionalised corruption that is eating the core of India like termites.

It has long been estimated the underground (non-declared) economy of India is as big as the declared one.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 10):
Wow.... I had no idea about the degree of corruption related with this situation in AI...looks like there is a veeeeeery long time for a "normal" situation. Sad.

You can find it in almost every PSU. It's really a sad state of affairs.

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 8):
You don't honestly expect the Rs. 30,000 Crore bailout is to save Air India now is it? That is naive. It is being funnelled so that all the political and labour aristocracy can continue feeding and leeching off the airline.

While I agree that it may not be the goal, I do feel that the restructuring plan will benefit AI operationally in many ways - the "accountability" that Ajit Singh is trying to show will improve the airline (so that it can stay alive and continue benefiting politicians and labor).

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 11):
It has long been estimated the underground (non-declared) economy of India is as big as the declared one.

I've heard that the underground economy is bigger than the declared one... Once again, a very sorry state of affairs.

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 8):

The striking IPG is headed by a NCP politician

FWIW, it appears that NCP has been very hands-off this whole issue. IPG is calling the shots, and NCP is pretty much just carrying out what the IPG decides.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 315 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 12):
FWIW, it appears that NCP has been very hands-off this whole issue. IPG is calling the shots, and NCP is pretty much just carrying out what the IPG decides.

If you think the NCP has not been calling ALL the shots behind the scene, I have a bridge, hell, I have a world-load of bridges to sell you.      



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 13):
If you think the NCP has not been calling ALL the shots behind the scene, I have a bridge, hell, I have a world-load of bridges to sell you.

I think you'd be surprised at the amount of autonomy IPG gets even with the NCP at the lead. Obviously, NCP is a significant party to all discussions, but from what I've seen about the way IPG is run (and they've been surprisingly open), IPG pilots are making a lot of their own decisions.

Whether they're just rubber stamping NCP decisions, I wouldn't know. But the process doesn't make it seem that way. Then again, nothing is intuitive in this government.



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User currently offlineYTZ From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4374 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 7):
The pilots did get the shaft, but they're hardly badly off afterwards - they are still getting a salary that is 9 times higher than that a PhD scientist would get at DRDO. This shows our priorities - a loss making airline is more important than our defense.

The entitled attitude at AI needs to go, and the pilots made themselves an obvious target. They've brought this upon themselves, though a poorly thought out and executed strike, and a complete failure at PR. Now they pay the price.

On the one hand you say this and then constantly stick up for the Indian government pumping endless sums of money into AI.

The reality is this. AI will never make a profit as long as it is government owned. The unions know that the government will backstop AI's losses. So they will demand more. And management is not any more responsible. Look at their massive aircraft orders. Utterly irresponsible. Cut them loose and they'll come to their sense really quickly or go under and make room for more competitive airlines.

And I don't buy your line that DRDO scientists get paid a ninth of an AI pilot. Maybe if you're talking the most junior scientist and an AI Captain. But the guys who were on strike were narrowbody pilots.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Quoting YTZ (Reply 15):
And I don't buy your line that DRDO scientists get paid a ninth of an AI pilot. Maybe if you're talking the most junior scientist and an AI Captain. But the guys who were on strike were narrowbody pilots.

No, I've seen the pay scale - it maxes out at slightly above an AI pilot's starting salary. The midpoint is a little over 50k a year. Of course, AI pilots have to deal with international cost of living for over half the year, but it is still a stark comparison.

Quoting YTZ (Reply 15):
The reality is this. AI will never make a profit as long as it is government owned. The unions know that the government will backstop AI's losses. So they will demand more. And management is not any more responsible. Look at their massive aircraft orders. Utterly irresponsible. Cut them loose and they'll come to their sense really quickly or go under and make room for more competitive airlines.

I agree that privatization needs to happen. I just don't think it can happen until this restructuring is done - no private entity will want to touch AI with a ten foot pole in its current state, and shutting it down isn't an option either.



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User currently offlinegoacom From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 16):
I agree that privatization needs to happen. I just don't think it can happen until this restructuring is done - no private entity will want to touch AI with a ten foot pole in its current state, and shutting it down isn't an option either.


Privatization will never happen because the unions will not let it happen, restructuring or not! The unions and the government are in it together. The best option is to starve the beast. Continued government largess for AI will only serve to maintain the status quo. Really, there is no option for AI, other than to let it die a slow death. It is a pity that the GOI continues and will continue to pump billions of dollars into this money pit, while 30% of the nation suffers from malnutrition.

Here is a recent article on Indigo viz Jet and AI. Basically Indigo can maintain a larger market share than AI with 1/3rd the number of aircraft. Given AI's legendary high staff to aircraft ratio, I would suspect Indigo does it with as little as 1/6th the manpower of AI. Hands up if anyone thinks that AI's overstaffed (or should I say overstuffed) labor force would give up their cushy jobs that privatization would require? Hell no!

http://articles.economictimes.indiat...digo-president-kingfisher-airlines


User currently offlinebrahmin From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

Look at Privatization and Kingfisher.
Privatization is a beast of its own.


User currently offlineYTZ From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 16):
I agree that privatization needs to happen. I just don't think it can happen until this restructuring is done - no private entity will want to touch AI with a ten foot pole in its current state, and shutting it down isn't an option either.

Then it's never going to happen.

Or the alternative. Don't sell it to a private entity. Give it a cash float and set it loose as a publicly traded company. Sink or swim.

And shutting it down should be an option. The Indian aviation sector is plenty competitive. There might be some short-term disruption. But really, given how unreliable AI has been lately, it's hard to see how much worse it could be. In the long run, the entire sector would come off substantially better.


User currently offlineYTZ From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

Quoting brahmin (Reply 18):

Look at Privatization and Kingfisher.
Privatization is a beast of its own.

So what? Creative destruction.

Businesses going under is not a bad thing. They make space for more efficient replacements or a proper equilibrium in a market.

As it stands though, AI generates spectacular losses that the taxpayers of India must absorb while artificially depressing prices and destroying profits in the Indian aviation sector. It's ridiculous. And it likely contributed to Kingfisher going under.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

Quoting YTZ (Reply 19):

Or the alternative. Don't sell it to a private entity. Give it a cash float and set it loose as a publicly traded company. Sink or swim.

That's a perfectly good alternative. But the restructuring needs to be finished first.

Quoting YTZ (Reply 19):

And shutting it down should be an option. The Indian aviation sector is plenty competitive. There might be some short-term disruption. But really, given how unreliable AI has been lately, it's hard to see how much worse it could be. In the long run, the entire sector would come off substantially better.

The effect would be very severe. You cannot take out a fifth of the capacity in a market and expect things to work out.

Quoting brahmin (Reply 18):
Look at Privatization and Kingfisher.
Privatization is a beast of its own.

It's a beast of its own, but I think it's a lesser beast than letting the mantris and babus lead AI to destruction.

That said, privatization cannot be attempted until the carrier is ready for it. Therefore, restructuring has to be finished first.



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User currently offlineYTZ From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4127 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 21):
Therefore, restructuring has to be finished first.

Sure enough. But they need to set some sincere and hard deadlines. Right now there's no real motivation for the employees or management to restructure sincerely.

To be honest, I don't even know if they will actually ever finish restructuring. We could be here years from now still talking about the tens or hundreds of crores AI just pissed away. How does an airline that is 1/3rd as productive as its competitors, with massive legacy liabilities restructure?

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 21):
The effect would be very severe. You cannot take out a fifth of the capacity in a market and expect things to work out.

Air India's share of the market drops every single day, making it's potential closure even less relevant. And taking out capacity is an irrelevant argument. Impact is limited only by how long it'll take all of AI's competitors to ramp up and replace the capacity lost. And I'd argue that this wouldn't take all that long. Months at worst.

Some impact to be sure. But there have been airlines with far larger market shares go under in other markets.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Quoting YTZ (Reply 22):

Sure enough. But they need to set some sincere and hard deadlines. Right now there's no real motivation for the employees or management to restructure sincerely.

Those hard deadlines have already been set as part of the recent bailout, with clear penalties if they aren't met, and incentives to finish ahead of time. It's a good carrot and stick program.

These goals are just operational improvement, yield and load factor improvement, etc. HR issues have been left out - and those have to be dealt with to. But this is an important step.

Quoting YTZ (Reply 22):

How does an airline that is 1/3rd as productive as its competitors, with massive legacy liabilities restructure?

You can talk about how AI is overstaffed, but the truth is that AI is misstaffed. Some departments are completely overstaffed, but others are severely understaffed. Allocating staff properly is very important for AI.

Quoting YTZ (Reply 22):

Air India's share of the market drops every single day, making it's potential closure even less relevant. And taking out capacity is an irrelevant argument. Impact is limited only by how long it'll take all of AI's competitors to ramp up and replace the capacity lost. And I'd argue that this wouldn't take all that long. Months at worst.

Some impact to be sure. But there have been airlines with far larger market shares go under in other markets.

It's not just capacity drop. AI performs a lot of functions that private carriers wouldn't want to get anywhere close to:
  • ◦ gulf operations - priced so that migrant worker traffic can return with reasonable frequency. Not doing this would be a political nightmare for GoI
  • ◦ Northeast/Kashmir connectivity
  • ◦ Army/GoI VIP charters,
  • ◦ Last minute government routing changes (AI maintains far more slack in schedule compared to competitors to account for this)
  • ◦ Medical transport - many examples where only AI is equipped to deal with the special requirements of medical transport


There are many more essential functions which AI carries out that private carriers wouldn't. The sector is not mature enough for the government to rely on private carriers.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1065 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 23):
◦ gulf operations - priced so that migrant worker traffic can return with reasonable frequency. Not doing this would be a political nightmare for GoI

SpiceJet? Indigo?

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 23):
◦ Northeast/Kashmir connectivity

Why not do an EAS style subsidy?

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 23):
◦ Army/GoI VIP charters,

Does GOI not have airplanes of their own?

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 23):
◦ Last minute government routing changes (AI maintains far more slack in schedule compared to competitors to account for this)

See above.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 23):
◦ Medical transport - many examples where only AI is equipped to deal with the special requirements of medical transport

Does India not have a branch of the Samaritans? The Red Cross/Crescent? Another volunteer organisation?


25 aeroblogger : They don't serve the migrant worker routes, to cities like TRV, CCJ, COK, and IXE, because the profitability of them aren't great. Wouldn't fly polit
26 par13del : If Boeing does this with AI one would expect existing customers for all models of a/c to seriously consider switching OEM's.
27 goacom : I agree, they will never finish restructuring. Restructuring is just code for continued government support. They have been implementing restructuring
28 aeroblogger : The restructuring plan that I am speaking of (to ready the airline for privatization) commenced less than 3 months ago. I am reasonably confident tha
29 lightsaber : How is AI going to adapt at a pace fast enough now that IT is nearly out of the market? This will enable the other Indian airlines to grow at a decent
30 Tomassjc : Look what happened in Mexico 2 years ago with Mexicana's demise. There were those who said that business in the country could not function as usual w
31 aeroblogger : Let me preface by saying that I agree completely - AI took far too long do get this done. However, it was hardly as easy as many other carriers have
32 goacom : I do not believe it has changed that much as the GOI still restricts competition from the private airlines. There has always been political pressure
33 YTZ : Irrelevant excuses. A lot of that can be replaced (Spicejet, IndiGo to the Gulf), or contracted out very, very quickly. And in the long run, the IAF
34 YTZ : If this is actually true than even the GoI has no real interest in reforming AI and it will never be privatized. Very true. And not just with the lab
35 YTZ : Accepted politically by whom? Ask the flying public and they'll tell you that they have no grief with putting Air India down. But the politicians on
36 aeroblogger : The politicians of course. It's their decision... I agree with you that this is where AI should be heading. It cannot happen overnight though.
37 sweair : Is the strike about who gets to fly the 787?
38 aeroblogger : Partially. There are many other grievances that the pilots have as well, some legitimate, some not so much.
39 sweair : Will they take the 3 788s this month? That would be at least 6 pilots needed..
40 aeroblogger : There first batch of ICPA (non-striking) 787 pilots will be ready within the next 2 weeks. There will be more than enough pilots to operate the fligh
41 HAWK21M : So what about fears of the Temp lockout....
42 BA777-236 : Did AI say which routes will be the first to get the 787? Also, any clues on when YYZ (Toronto) service will resume? It's been more than a month sinc
43 aeroblogger : Yeah, it will start on domestic routes for crew familiarization flights. Then, it will move to European routes for first longhauls (DEL-FRA and BOM-L
44 gr8circle : I certainly hope AI pilots clears up their strike and gets back to doing what they're supposed to do - flying planes..... I just checked the fares to
45 aeroblogger : It's going to take compromise to fix this, and I don't see either side (pilots or management) willing to compromise right now. It's truly a sad situa
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