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2 77Ws Available For Sale Or Lease  
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19531 times:

Airfax updated its availabilities list with these novelties:


B777-200ER Aircraft available for sale or lease. RR Trent 884 engines. Manf. 1998. MTOW=650Klb. Contact information
B777-200ER Aircraft available for sale or lease. GE90-90B engines. Manf. 1997. Contact information

B777-200ER Aircraft available for sale or lease. RR Trent 892B engines. Manf. 1998. Contact information

B777-200ER Aircraft available for immediate ACMI lease in all-economy or two-class pax configuration. PW4090 engines. Manf. 1997. MTOW=290.4t. Contact information

B777-300 Two aircraft available for sale or lease May13. GE90-115B engines. Manf. 2007. New listing/additional aircraft Contact information



I bet these 77W will find a new home easily as this type is in high demand and slots for new aircrafts are locked by other carriers, e. g. EK, SQ, etc.

After a quick search in the production list, probably they come from AI or 9W.

Thoughts?

[Edited 2012-06-07 18:34:48]

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User currently onlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19436 times:

9W leased some frames to TK and TG. I read that the TK examples are being returned as that airline gets its own. Maybe that has something to do with it?

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4497 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19279 times:

Of the 4 aircraft that 9W leased to TK, 2 went to TG and the other 2 went back to 9W, whereas 3 additional frames went from 9W to TG. The 2 aircraft offered for lease from May13 may well be the initial 2 frames that went to TG and will come off their lease as TG starts taking delivery of its own B77Ws later this year.

User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2093 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19249 times:

They won't be available for long, so get your check books out.

User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 18990 times:

Any reasonable chance that AA will take these?

User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5616 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 18771 times:

Quoting Fyano773 (Thread starter):
B777-300 Two aircraft available for sale or lease May13. GE90-115B engines. Manf. 2007. New listing/additional aircraft Contact information

Are you sure these are B77Ws? Listing say B777-300 which are B773s, which are not in great demand, B77Ws would be listed as B777-300ER. Does the engine sub type answer the question?

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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 18743 times:
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Don't think there were any straight -300's by 2007. The last one I remember seeing was a CX bird, in early 2005.

User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 18741 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 6):
Don't think there were any straight -300's by 2007. The last one I remember seeing was a CX bird, in early 2005.

Not only that, but also no -300s with GE-90s.

[Edited 2012-06-07 20:20:58]

[Edited 2012-06-07 20:22:09]

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18689 times:

Both AI and 9W are trying to lease out part of their 777 fleets. It quite realistically could be either.

I'll ask some of my sources at AI and 9W and see if anybody knows about this...



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User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 18578 times:

Where are the 777-200ERs from?

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6406 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18366 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 5):

Only 77Ws (out of the 773 and 77W) have GE90-115Bs.

[Edited 2012-06-07 21:24:07]


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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2349 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18303 times:

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 4):
Any reasonable chance that AA will take these?

That was my first thought as well. I would love to see AA lease/buy them and push up the 77W implementation.



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User currently offlineANM604 From Canada, joined Feb 2012, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17895 times:

Interesting, I could see AC making a play for these birds, provided they are in good shape. That would eliminate some of the need for leasing 77LR's from AI, and these would be a better a/c for them anyways. They have 5 on the order books with Boeing, but these deliveries are still sometime away, and AC needs planes now. In any event, I don't expect them to remain on the market for long, unless they are asking an outrageous amount for them. Should be interesting to watch this play out.

User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17869 times:
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Quoting ANM604 (Reply 12):
Interesting, I could see AC making a play for these birds,...

AC was my first thought also and not only for the 77E, or even the 77W. Had also UN on my mind as they have the 77E's from exUA, exSQ. But I doubt they would need a 77W right now.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17856 times:

Quoting ANM604 (Reply 12):
Interesting, I could see AC making a play for these birds, provided they are in good shape.

The AI and 9W 77Ws are all in pretty good shape.

Quoting ANM604 (Reply 12):
That would eliminate some of the need for leasing 77LR's from AI, and these would be a better a/c for them anyways.

The AI 77L deal fell through anyway.



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5616 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17483 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 10):

Only 77Ws (out of the 773 and 77W) have GE90-115Bs.

Thank you NZ107

Quoting poLot (Reply 7):
Not only that, but also no -300s with GE-90s.

Then what did they have, seeing the B772 are listed with GE90s

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10649 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17451 times:

Quoting col (Reply 3):
They won't be available for long, so get your check books out.

I wouldnt be so sure. AI has been trying to lease out 777s for quite a long time already. Even 77Ws two years ago. Nobody wanted them.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 5):
Are you sure these are B77Ws? Listing say B777-300 which are B773s, which are not in great demand

There were no 773s built anymore in 2007.

I´d also think its a Indian carrier. Both had ordered more 777s than they could swallow.


User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1068 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16791 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 14):
The AI and 9W 77Ws are all in pretty good shape.

From the outside.
But inside, it's really worn out, I think pax aboused the interior.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16255 times:

Quoting nethkt (Reply 17):

But inside, it's really worn out, I think pax aboused the interior.

That's true, the interiors are very ratty considering that the aircraft are only 5 years old, but the aircraft would probably be reconfigured in the case of a sale or long-term lease anyway.

Quoting na (Reply 16):

I wouldnt be so sure. AI has been trying to lease out 777s for quite a long time already. Even 77Ws two years ago. Nobody wanted them.

The government has recently put into effect some new policies in reaction to the 777 leasing problem where AI is much more flexible - it won't be a long protracted ordeal anymore to lease or buy from them, so carriers won't get tired of waiting like they did last time.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6714 posts, RR: 78
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16252 times:

Quoting na (Reply 16):
I wouldnt be so sure. AI has been trying to lease out 777s for quite a long time already. Even 77Ws two years ago. Nobody wanted them.

That doesn't mean anything as long as we don't know more details. Probably AI's conditions aren't attractive to anyone - it's AI, so I wouldn't be surprised about anything.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16149 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 19):

That doesn't mean anything as long as we don't know more details. Probably AI's conditions aren't attractive to anyone - it's AI, so I wouldn't be surprised about anything.

The reason is because AI had such a drawn out process to get the lease approved that every interested carrier found another lessor.

That process has since been improved...



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User currently offlinePacific From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 16045 times:

The 777-300ER comes with the GE90-115B engines, the 115 denoting 115,000lbs of thrust. Only the 777-300ER and specially uprated 777-200LR for hot and high use this engine.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 15):

Pratt & Whitney 4098 and Rolls-Royce Trent 892

Also was available with the General Electric 90-94B with 93,700 lb of thrust but no customers picked this option.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1669 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13846 times:

Well BA are looking to add more 77Ws to its fleet so this could be a short term solution pending financing.


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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12359 times:

Quoting ANM604 (Reply 12):
I could see AC making a play for these birds, provided they are in good shape


  

we can add TAM to the list  



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12888 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10775 times:
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Quoting gemuser (Reply 5):
Are you sure these are B77Ws?

The engines give it away.

Quoting poLot (Reply 7):
Not only that, but also no -300s with GE-90s.

   All 777-300 with GE-90s are 77W. I think GE did ok there.  
Quoting Pacific (Reply 21):
Pratt & Whitney 4098

Since re-engined with PW4090.   

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10374 times:

PIA are looking for two 777s any vairiant on three year dry lease.

User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9539 times:

I would guess these are from Air Austral

User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 26):
I would guess these are from Air Austral

Air Austral's 77W were not manufactured in 2007, they are newer than that.


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5616 posts, RR: 6
Reply 28, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7252 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 24):
All 777-300 with GE-90s are 77W. I think GE did ok there.

Just to get it straight in my head. B777-200s could have GE90 engines, B777-300s can not & B77Ws all have GE90s? So all B777-300s had P&W engines? or did some have RR also?

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24824 posts, RR: 22
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7146 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 28):
So all B777-300s had P&W engines? or did some have RR also?

Most were RR. According to Boeing orders/deliveries data, of the 60 777-300s (non-ER) built, 17 were PW (those ordered by JL/NH/KE) and the remaining 43 were RR.


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5616 posts, RR: 6
Reply 30, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7087 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 29):
Most were RR. According to Boeing orders/deliveries data, of the 60 777-300s (non-ER) built, 17 were PW (those ordered by JL/NH/KE) and the remaining 43 were RR.

Thanks Viscount724

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User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 28):
Just to get it straight in my head. B777-200s could have GE90 engines, B777-300s can not & B77Ws all have GE90s? So all B777-300s had P&W engines? or did some have RR also?

All three engines were/are available on the 777-200, -200ER, and -300. It just so happens that no -300 customer selected the GEs, they were all RR or PW customers. GE has exclusivity on the -200LR, -300ER, and -200F versions.


User currently offlineANM604 From Canada, joined Feb 2012, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6426 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 14):
The AI 77L deal fell through anyway.

As we all expected. I wonder who AI will turn to next, as not too many carriers would be interested in acquiring the 77LR's. I expected AC to be their best shot at getting rid of them, not sure who else would even be interested.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12888 posts, RR: 100
Reply 33, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5826 times:
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Which 77Ws are these? I haven't heard confirmation on whom is selling.

Quoting ANM604 (Reply 32):
I wonder who AI will turn to next, as not too many carriers would be interested in acquiring the 77LR's. I expected AC to be their best shot at getting rid of them, not sure who else would even be interested.

It is a tough sell to all but a few airlines. How is DL's cash flow? Might they take them?

I personally think AI could profitably use the 77Ls to SYD and MEL, but only if they work on having excellent connections to Europe.

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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33):
I personally think AI could profitably use the 77Ls to SYD and MEL, but only if they work on having excellent connections to Europe.

I doubt it - the CASM of 77Ls aren't good, and O&D demand is fairly low yielding (like almost every other market from India). The connections to Europe are there for AI (LHR, FRA), but the 787 is a far better aircraft than the 777 for this job...



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4497 posts, RR: 72
Reply 35, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 33):
Which 77Ws are these? I haven't heard confirmation on whom is selling.

Everybody seems to zoom in on AI's aircraft, but I for one believe that the aircraft offered for lease are 2 of 5 9W frames currently with TG. As TG will be taking delivery of its own 77Ws as well as its first A388s later this year, these aircraft will come off lease and there are no signs so far that 9W plans to reincorporate them into its fleet.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 35):

Everybody seems to zoom in on AI's aircraft, but I for one believe that the aircraft offered for lease are 2 of 5 9W frames currently with TG. As TG will be taking delivery of its own 77Ws as well as its first A388s later this year, these aircraft will come off lease and there are no signs so far that 9W plans to reincorporate them into its fleet.

Didn't 9W had problems placing the 77Ws before due to the wooden first class (and thus increased weight? I recall it wasn't easy to place these aircraft initially.


User currently offlineSSPhoenix From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10649 posts, RR: 9
Reply 38, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5211 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 35):
Everybody seems to zoom in on AI's aircraft, but I for one believe that the aircraft offered for lease are 2 of 5 9W frames currently with TG. As TG will be taking delivery of its own 77Ws as well as its first A388s later this year, these aircraft will come off lease and there are no signs so far that 9W plans to reincorporate them into its fleet.

Thinking over it, Jet Aw indeed seems more likely than AI. If Im not mistaken, AI makes better use of their 77Ws than of the 77L. They are keener to lease out the latter, while 9W clearly has too many 77Ws in its inventory, and Thai will soon be returning the leased ones to 9W when the own frames are delivered. But who knows, maybe its a totally different source nobody has thought about yet!


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12888 posts, RR: 100
Reply 39, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4972 times:
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 35):
Everybody seems to zoom in on AI's aircraft, but I for one believe that the aircraft offered for lease are 2 of 5 9W frames currently with TG.

I concur, it still would be nice to confirm.

Quoting LJ (Reply 36):
Didn't 9W had problems placing the 77Ws before due to the wooden first class (and thus increased weight? I recall it wasn't easy to place these aircraft initially.

I believe that was for a lease. If the aircraft are sold, I would expect a new cabin. Reading a.net over the years, it has sunk in that only a few airlines do first class well enough to offer it. IMHO, 9W should get out of that segment. I never understood why every airline has to try to compete versus the longhaul business jet sector (which is what first class really competes against). Some airlines can do it (e.g., SQ, BA, QF, LH, and arguably EK), most lose money on first.

Quoting na (Reply 38):
AI makes better use of their 77Ws than of the 77L.

But if AI is unable to sell 77Ls, might they have to part with 77Ws? While not the ideal solution, it is an option... So while I think 9W is the most likely source, I wouldn't rule out AI. I'm also not 100% certain these have to come from an Indian airline... Hence why I'm asking as to the source of these 77W.

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10649 posts, RR: 9
Reply 40, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 39):
I'm also not 100% certain these have to come from an Indian airline... Hence why I'm asking as to the source of these 77W.

How is JAL doing? With many 787 joining the fleet, do they still need all their 777s? They had cancelled their last 77W order.


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1573 posts, RR: 7
Reply 41, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

DL might want the777LR's for growth.


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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3634 posts, RR: 5
Reply 42, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4383 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 40):
How is JAL doing? With many 787 joining the fleet, do they still need all their 777s? They had cancelled their last 77W order.

JAL has no plans on replacing the 77W yet, so they are not going anywhere. The 787-8s will be used to open routes (BOS, HEL, SAN) and move some 772ERs and 763ERs to other routes (DME, DEL, SIN, PEK). This will allow for the retirement of older non-ER 763s. The 787-9 will likely be used to start the retirement of the 772s.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 43, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 5):
Are you sure these are B77Ws? Listing say B777-300 which are B773s, which are not in great demand, B77Ws would be listed as B777-300ER. Does the engine sub type answer the question?

Yes, the B-773 could be ordered with PW-4098, RR Trent-892, or GE-90-92B/-94B engines.

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 6):
Don't think there were any straight -300's by 2007.

The last B-773 was delivered in 2006.

Quoting poLot (Reply 7):
Not only that, but also no -300s with GE-90s.

Not true, there were two GE-90s offered o the B-773, the GE-90-92B or the GE-90-94B.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 10):
Only 77Ws (out of the 773 and 77W) have GE90-115Bs.

The GE-90-115B is an option on both the B-77L and the B-77F. The 'standard' engine on the "L" or "F" models is the GE-90-110B1 engine. The -110B1 and -115B engines are identical (hardware), and the only difference is the software, which can be upgraded from the -110B1 to the -115B engine.

The GE-90-110B1/-115B engines have the biggest fan diameter of any turbofan engine in the world, at 128" (3,251 mm), all other versions of the GE-90 engines have a smaller fan section at 123" (3,124 mm).


User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2124 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 43):
Not true, there were two GE-90s offered o the B-773, the GE-90-92B or the GE-90-94B.

Yes, but good luck finding one.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12339 posts, RR: 25
Reply 45, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 24):
Quoting Pacific (Reply 21):
Pratt & Whitney 4098

Since re-engined with PW4090.

Ouch!

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 39):
Reading a.net over the years, it has sunk in that only a few airlines do first class well enough to offer it. IMHO, 9W should get out of that segment. I never understood why every airline has to try to compete versus the longhaul business jet sector (which is what first class really competes against). Some airlines can do it (e.g., SQ, BA, QF, LH, and arguably EK), most lose money on first.

And reading a.net over the years I've learned AI is being run for prestige and patronage, so AI won't be leaving the segment. It's interesting that many feel it is AI who is seeing to lease out the 77Ws. I guess that there is eventually some limit to how much money AI is allowed to bleed?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 43):
Quoting poLot (Reply 7):
Not only that, but also no -300s with GE-90s.

Not true, there were two GE-90s offered o the B-773, the GE-90-92B or the GE-90-94B.

Yes they were offered, no, no one took them on the 777-300-not-ER.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 45):

And reading a.net over the years I've learned AI is being run for prestige and patronage, so AI won't be leaving the segment. It's interesting that many feel it is AI who is seeing to lease out the 77Ws. I guess that there is eventually some limit to how much money AI is allowed to bleed?

Now that the 787s are ready, AI has much less use for the 77Ws. So leasing/selling them is a better move than reducing fleet utilization further...



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