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Did Spirit Retire Their Airbus A321s  
User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 487 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11966 times:

I know Spirit had like 6 A321s in thier fleet are they still around,Haven't seen one in their new
paint scheme.

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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11937 times:
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They currently have 2 A321's, both in the silver livery (which looks some much nicer, IMO)

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3965 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11787 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 1):
They currently have 2 A321's, both in the silver livery (which looks some much nicer, IMO)

Is that the one with the dark tail and the "blocky" pattern there and on the side of the plane? I saw that one on a 319 at MSP today, it looks very cool, and in my opinion, better than the other splashy colorful one.


User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11584 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
Is that the one with the dark tail and the "blocky" pattern there and on the side of the plane? I saw that one on a 319 at MSP today, it looks very cool, and in my opinion, better than the other splashy colorful one.

Yes that is the one.

Anyways I see their 2 A321s flying in and out of FLL all the time. Not sure where they fly to but I'm guessing they primarily operate from there.

[Edited 2012-06-07 20:15:11]

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11425 times:

Quoting poLot (Reply 3):
Anyways I see their 2 A321s flying in and out of FLL all the time. Not sure where they fly to but I'm guessing they primarily operate from there.

They fly them to ACY, LGA, and DCA mainly.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11286 times:

Spirit currently operates two ILFC Airbus A321s: N587NK and N588NK.
Previously they operated:
N583NK which became VH-VWZ with Jetstar
N584NK which became VH-VWY with Jetstar
N585NK which became TC-ETF with Atlasjet
N586NK which became G-OZBR with Monarch

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
Is that the one with the dark tail and the "blocky" pattern there and on the side of the plane? I saw that one on a 319 at MSP today, it looks very cool, and in my opinion, better than the other splashy colorful one.

Agreed. The new one looks very cheap....which was probably why they chose it. The old livery looks quite nice though, quite elegant actually.



repaint ZK-PBG!
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11196 times:

One of the A321 operates the MCO SJU route

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10728 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 6):

One of the A321 operates the MCO SJU route


I believe that is a continuation of a flight from ACY. Am I wrong?


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2639 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10544 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):

A321 stopped flying in ACY June 1st...

the routings for the 2 are as follows

LGA-FLL-SJU-MCO-DTW
DTW-MCO-SJU-FLL-LGA



next flights ACY-ORD-DEN-IAH-ACY on UA
User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10420 times:

What was the reason for NK to sell off a few of the 321s?


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User currently offlinedcaviation From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10071 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
They fly them to ACY, LGA, and DCA mainly.

Spirit never operated scheduled A321 into DCA. They flew them down to DCA couple of times during Obama inauguration and couple of equipment subs.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10019 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 9):
What was the reason for NK to sell off a few of the 321s?

They were leased. Several A319s have also departed and replaced by newer examples as well.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9799 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):

They flew them into DCA on the evening flight three times a few weeks ago.


User currently offlinedcaviation From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9676 times:

I see that they up'ed to 321 for few late night arrivals around M-Day weekend.
Thats the most A321s Spirit has sent to DCA ever.


User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6420 times:

Rumor has it ... they will be traded for A330's anyone has more news!

User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6149 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 14):
Rumor has it ... they will be traded for A330's anyone has more news!

So what, they'll trade 2 A321s for half an A330?


User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

Quoting poLot (Reply 15):

No, they probably trade them in and have a higher payment.


User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5551 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 14):
Rumor has it ... they will be traded for A330's anyone has more news!

NK has made it known for some time its desire to phase out the 321; its two remaining aircraft are expected to remain within the fleet until the leases terminate. If the 321 doesn't fit NK's model (status quo), why would it add the significantly larger 330?



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User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 17):

Brasil......DL has left the door open by returning the freq back.


User currently offlinesafetydemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

What about the A321 doesn't fit the Spirit model? Curious to see why they would phase them out when other airlines seem to be going for larger variants to improve operating costs. Southwest is moving to the 737-800 and JetBlue is adding the A321. Continental started taking more -800s and -900s as well, over the -700.


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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3762 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Quoting safetydemo (Reply 19):
What about the A321 doesn't fit the Spirit model?

It takes forever to turn, can't fly as far as the 319 or 320, when one breaks there is no suitable spare. I'm sure when everything goes as planned, it brings a good extra chunk of revenue, but only having 2 of them is likely a thorn in their side more often than not.


User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5057 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 18):
Brasil......DL has left the door open by returning the freq back.

Let's discuss Spirit operating FLL-GRU/GIG:
- requires a unique fleet type (330)
- will be competing against carriers reaping big revenues from premium cabins
- will be compating with undeseriable departure/arrivial times, unless aircraft are grounded for 12+ hours
- in a market use to checking two free checked bags up to 70 lbs each, will be charging $70 - $100 + placing 40 lb. restriction (oversize charges exisit)
- charges for carry-on baggage, water on the plane; no IFE; additional fees for printing board pass at the airport

I question whether or not NK's model would be successful in this market. If it fails, those widebodies will be a huge burden on the airline. I doubt NK would be willing to take the risk.



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User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 21):
I question whether or not NK's model would be successful in this market. If it fails, those widebodies will be a huge burden on the airline. I doubt NK would be willing to take the risk.

That is my biggest issue. NK has made it pretty clear that if a route is not working they cut it and put the planes somewhere else; they are not going to sit on loss making routes hoping it changes. That is very difficult to do with A330s, you can't really change long haul international frequencies/cities quickly as you need to get all the slots and permissions lined up first.


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19098 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

Quoting safetydemo (Reply 19):
Curious to see why they would phase them out when other airlines seem to be going for larger variants to improve operating costs. Southwest is moving to the 737-800

Southwest's 738s have 175 seats and Spirit's 320s have 178. However, neither of these are the highest possible densities, given the 738 can hold 189 (e.g. by FR) and the 320 can hold 180 (e.g. by AK).

In many parts of the world, especially Europe and Asia-Pacific, the ~180-seat range is what most LCCs have because this is where unit/seat and trip costs are more optimum - together with not having too many seats to fill.

[Edited 2012-06-08 23:11:18]


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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3236 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 21):
I question whether or not NK's model would be successful in this market. If it fails, those widebodies will be a huge burden on the airline. I doubt NK would be willing to take the risk.
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 21):
That is my biggest issue. NK has made it pretty clear that if a route is not working they cut it and put the planes somewhere else; they are not going to sit on loss making routes hoping it changes. That is very difficult to do with A330s, you can't really change long haul international frequencies/cities quickly as you need to get all the slots and permissions lined up first.

   And they already have a lot on their plate with the focus city in BOG. It wouldn't make sense to further complicate their growth.


25 spiritair97 : Does two daily a319s to FLL really count as a focus city?[Edited 2012-06-10 12:50:41]
26 xdlx : Didn't they also have beyond BOG (5th Freedom) into Central & South America ?
27 spiritair97 : If they did, they don't anymore.
28 ROSWELL41 : Actually, this is for upcoming service. NK will be starting FLL-BOG-LIM daily perhaps by year's end. FLL-BOG-GYE/UIO is supposed to commence sometime
29 spiritair97 : I wasn't aware of that. Are these going to be a319s or a320s operating the routes? My guess is a319s.
30 ROSWELL41 : Not sure. I can tell you it won't be the A321's.
31 OB1504 : I would assume it would be A319s due to their superior hot and high performance (BOG-FLL was notorious for weight restrictions when it went to an A320
32 spiritair97 : That makes sense.
33 nkops : I think recently the A320 has started making its way west... I believe OAK and DEN see them daily now, but for the most part the 320's stay east of D
34 xdlx : The way I understand it.... Newer A320, are replacing older 19's and perhaps the 21's.
35 Post contains images rivervisual : They cannot charge for the first 2 bags up to 70 lbs each on flights to/from Brazil. It is written into the bilaterals and Brazilian aviation regulati
36 OB1504 : The base fares will probably have a corresponding increase to compensate for that. Similarly, I believe there are certain fees Spirit cannot charge o
37 cotparampguy : Are one of the A321s down or is Spirit down an airplane? I saw an Omni 757 operating for them a couple weeks ago and now an Xtra Airways 737-400.
38 nkops : Aircraft 588NK is out of service in DTW right now, but not sure why....
39 Thomas_Jaeger : Do you know which Xtra B734 currently operates for them?
40 cotparampguy : N772AS
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