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A380 And MIA  
User currently offlinedEcarlo From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 6 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8062 times:

Just a couple quick questions on MIA. I noticed about a month or so ago that LH replaced it's daily nonstop MIA-FRA from an A380 to 744. I was wondering if this is a permanent change, seasonal change, or other reasons?

Also does anyone have any information on any other airlines that plan to bring the 380 to MIA in the near future?

Thanks for any help!
dEcarlo

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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8044 times:

This questions pops up every now and so often.

LH schedules their A388 into SFO during Northern Summer and into MIA during Northern Winters. The inference being it'll be back with the winter schedule.



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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7970 times:

Well, in the future BA or VS seem the most likely. I think VS would send it because they are only at once daily and it would be good to add the extra capacity without interfering with frequency. BA would be likely to send it as well because they are currently 3X daily and the route performs well with them. In the past, I would have said AF but with recent troubles, increased competition from AA and Corsair and generally weak economies I doubt it. And if IB orders it then I would expect them to bring it as well. But for now, LH is all we will get.

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7943 times:

I see both VS and BA bringing in the 380 at some point probably BA first. Theynalreadynhave 3 daily flights it only makes sense. If BA brings in the 380 I would think VS would bring it in to compete.

As stated above LH A380 is seasonal. Besides for LH, BA and maybe VS not sure who else would. Maybe AF and if IB orders some then that I could garuntee.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7509 times:
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Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 2):
VS would send it because they are only at once daily and it would be good to add the extra capacity without interfering with frequency

Virgin has been delaying its A380's so it remains to be seen if they will take dekivery of any A380's. Its much more likely Virgin will send a A330-300 or 787-9 to Miami before an A380 shows up.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7445 times:

I think it will be a challenge to see many more A380's at MIA (or any at MCO for that matter) until airline fleets get to a point where they start having sub-fleets with less premium configurations, or until S.American carriers start ordering A380's. MIA is a huge North-South hub but not necessarily a TATL hub.

User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7264 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Virgin has been delaying its A380's so it remains to be seen if they will take dekivery of any A380's. Its much more likely Virgin will send a A330-300 or 787-9 to Miami before an A380 shows up.

Agree... I even think that EK would be there before BA!


User currently onlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7715 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7213 times:

Based on the economic efficiencies of the A380, is it not more profitable to "abuse" the A380 during the off season rather than putting a 747 on the route, or is the increase in traffic into SFO so great that the economics favours a change in equipment, if so, why not one A380 into MIA and another into SFO?

User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7179 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 7):
...why not one A380 into MIA and another into SFO?

If not mistaken LH combines MIA and SFO depending on the season!


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7055 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 7):
Based on the economic efficiencies of the A380, is it not more profitable to "abuse" the A380 during the off season rather than putting a 747 on the route, or is the increase in traffic into SFO so great that the economics favours a change in equipment, if so, why not one A380 into MIA and another into SFO?

If you don't have a 747, then the answer to your first question is yes abusing an A380 is your next best thing  
But nothing beats using the right aircraft on the right route. I don't think it is so much the volume of traffic as much as the profile of the traffic. Those A380's have a huge number of premium seats to fill.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6866 times:

So LH doesn't fly the A380 to MIA at the moment (and until October)?

A388


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6002 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 10):

LH currently operates a 744 to MIA (from FRA).


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 7):
Based on the economic efficiencies of the A380, is it not more profitable to "abuse" the A380 during the off season rather than putting a 747 on the route, or is the increase in traffic into SFO so great that the economics favours a change in equipment, if so, why not one A380 into MIA and another into SFO?

Because they don't have enough A380s. The A380 makes more money at SFO than a 744 could during that period, while both aircraft would earn the same money at MIA, provided their operating costs are about equal (LH says the A380s operating costs are lower). The A346s have a similar capacity and lower operating costs than a 744, but they offer less economy seats and a superior hard product than at least the yet-to-be-configured 744s. They're used on routes with a.) higher fares and/or b.) slightly less demand as a consquence. The 744 also hauls more cargo than the A340s.

The 744 isn't the best aircraft for the route per se, but given LH's fleet, it's the most logical choice.



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User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 10):
So LH doesn't fly the A380 to MIA at the moment (and until October)?

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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6636 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 13):

Ummmmm------he said AT THE MOMENT-------& at the moment, ------they don't!



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User currently offlineCoachClass From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

At any one time, how many A380's could be parked at the terminals in MIA? Could BA, LH, VS and AF offer winter service at MIA? I believe that J17 or J18 are the only gates prepared in J concourse for an A380. Are any other concourses ready?

[Edited 2012-06-09 08:17:23]

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 15):

I do not think there are other gates. If an airlines tells MIA they will bring the A380 they would set up an extra gate if needed.



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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 16):
Quoting CoachClass (Reply 15):

In pretty sure the original plan was one in E, one in G, and two in J at max A380 levels but that was only if the proposed airlines ( AF, BA, LH, And VS) confirmed A380 service to Miami.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13551 posts, RR: 100
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2413 times:
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It is interesting how LH is swapping the A380 between two cities. I wonder when they will 'top off' their A380 order.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4):
Virgin has been delaying its A380's so it remains to be seen if they will take dekivery of any A380's. Its much more likely Virgin will send a A330-300 or 787-9 to Miami before an A380 shows up.

I very much doubt VS will take the A380s.

Quoting flymia (Reply 16):
If an airlines tells MIA they will bring the A380 they would set up an extra gate if needed.

IIRC, LH is taking the cost/risk with the current A380 gate. If another airline wants to fly the A380 to MIA they can either:
1. Fly to LH's gate at a different time helping cut LH's costs or
2. Fund MIA to build a 2nd A380 gate.

I suspect #1 is more likely than #2.

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User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 8):
If not mistaken LH combines MIA and SFO depending on the season!

Pretty sure they don't. They're more than 2,500 miles apart, and the route to SFO from FRA takes you deep into Canada; the route to MIA down the east coast of North America. Tagging on SFO to MIA isn't really feasible.


User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 19):
Pretty sure they don't. They're more than 2,500 miles apart, and the route to SFO from FRA takes you deep into Canada; the route to MIA down the east coast of North America. Tagging on SFO to MIA isn't really feasible.

Sorry, didn't mean they fly first to one and continue to the next!!!! More seasonal!! Maybe will change when more LH A380 arrive to the fleet!


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2135 times:
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So much is the being made of "all" A380's coming to Miami. BUT MIA is NOT a Pacific airport like LAX. Just because 2 European airline fly single 744's to MIA daily doesn't mean an A380 is a good idea. A380 have way too many J class seats for MIA.

User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting PHLwok (Reply 19):
Pretty sure they don't. They're more than 2,500 miles apart, and the route to SFO from FRA takes you deep into Canada; the route to MIA down the east coast of North America. Tagging on SFO to MIA isn't really feasible.

I believe what he means is that the same (theoretically) plane is used for SFO and MIA. Which is basically the case! As stated above, the northern summer season see's a huge increase of traffic to SFO. So the A380 is flown there. During the winter season the A380 is deployed to MIA as SFO reverts back to a 744.

Quoting par13del (Reply 7):
Based on the economic efficiencies of the A380, is it not more profitable to "abuse" the A380 during the off season rather than putting a 747 on the route, or is the increase in traffic into SFO so great that the economics favours a change in equipment, if so, why not one A380 into MIA and another into SFO?

The increase in demand for SFO very much warrants the A380 in the summer. SFO see's daily A380 LH, 744 UA and 777 UA during the summer. All full...



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 21):

Well LH see's a reason to use the 380 during the high season. And with 3 daily flights 2 744s and a 777 I think MIA is a fairly decent BA A380 candidate.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting something (Reply 12):
provided their operating costs are about equal (LH says the A380s operating costs are lower)

Do you have a reference to them saying operating cost is equal?

I would expect A380 operating cost to be a bit higher but CASK lower because of the additional seats. Just as it typically is when you compare smaller and larger models. But that is just what I expect.


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