fpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 754 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9183 times:
According to Boeing's website Lion Air has selected the 787 for their subsidiary Baltik Air.
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"JAKARTA, Indonesia, June 8, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) confirms that Jakarta-based Lion Air announced a commitment to order five 787 Dreamliners for its newly launched premium carrier Batik Air. When finalized, the agreement will be worth $967.5 million at list prices."
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26676 posts, RR: 83 Reply 1, posted (11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 9190 times:
The RFP was between the 787 and A330-200HGW, but I believe the "critics consensus" was that the 787 would win the deal and so it appears to have done so.
The original speculation was 10 frames, but I guess they're being prudent with their initial expansion.
clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Reply 3, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8532 times:
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A nice result for all parties. Boeing gets to move some of the (slightly) crippled early 787s and an airline I've never heard of new carrier gets some high tech planes they might not otherwise have gotten.
fpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 754 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8304 times:
Interesting... taking the criples and still choosing the 787 over the A332HGW. I am sure Airbus was saying nothing but nice things about the criples...
SKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 843 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8235 times:
I wonder about the big discount that Lion gets purchasing these frames, no mention how quickly these early birds will be available for delivery ...it's a good business for Lion, like a poster says on the Leeham's:
If they are “terrible”, it is only compared to a later line number 787-8. The reason early customers balked at taking delivery of these early frames is because Boeing was on the hook to deliver an airplane with better specs. There is nothing “terrible” about these teenagers for an operator who is comparing them to the A330-200 or 767-300ER
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2656 posts, RR: 59 Reply 9, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7077 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 7): But how can this be? The "teens" have been allocated to airlines. Some have even been delivered.
I actually had that same thought. Granted, only LN's 8 & 9 have been delivered so far. But 7, 11-15, and 18 have all been built for ANA, who seem to be perfectly happy accepting these "teens". That only leaves 10 & 16 (LAN), 17 & 19 (Maroc), and 20 (JAL).
Will be interesting to see what exactly happens. . .
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6714 posts, RR: 66 Reply 10, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6849 times:
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 9): But 7, 11-15, and 18 have all been built for ANA, who seem to be perfectly happy accepting these "teens". That only leaves 10 & 16 (LAN), 17 & 19 (Maroc), and 20 (JAL).
And if Lion, Transaero and Rwanda are all to receive such frames, that would mean that most or all of these will not now be going to their presumed destinations.
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 9): Will be interesting to see what exactly happens. . .
Quoting bestwestern (Reply 5): Interesting how lion air is ordering even more aircraft.
Yeah, they must do a great job and huge profit to make a great order for the 787!!
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 9): I actually had that same thought. Granted, only LN's 8 & 9 have been delivered so far. But 7, 11-15, and 18 have all been built for ANA, who seem to be perfectly happy accepting these "teens". That only leaves 10 & 16 (LAN), 17 & 19 (Maroc), and 20 (JAL).
Will be interesting to see what exactly happens. . .
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6048 times:
Even a crippled 787 is better than the current 747s they fly..And I think people over react about how "bad" these frames are. A touch of bitterness in this thread?
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 16, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5937 times:
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 14): am I the only one thats shocked its only 5 and not 100? This is Lion Air we are talking about after all
I was probably as skeptical as you are about Lion Air, but at this point, we can only acknowledge that this airline is by now operating a fleet of 62 B739ERs + 3 B738s, all factory fresh, while taking delivery of on average 2 - 3 additional aircraft each month. While I have my doubts about the viability of their business model and the funding for this metal given their fare structure here in the local market, I have no doubts at all that these 788s will indeed by operated.
B738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 473 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5786 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 16): ..this airline is by now operating a fleet of 62 B739ERs + 3 B738s
They have also 2 B738 on order according to Airfleets.net and 2 ex SQ B744 in Service. So maybe they have the 787 on order now to replace the 744 at time of delivery?
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bestwestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6414 posts, RR: 58 Reply 19, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5776 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 16):
I was probably as skeptical as you are about Lion Air, but at this point, we can only acknowledge that this airline is by now operating a fleet of 62 B739ERs + 3 B738s, all factory fresh, while taking delivery of on average 2 - 3 additional aircraft each month. While I have my doubts about the viability of their business model and the funding for this metal given their fare structure here in the local market, I have no doubts at all that these 788s will indeed by operated.
If Lion, Indigo or Norwegian go under, it will spell disaster for either Boeing or Airbus considering the amount of aircraft they have either in place or on order.
francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3195 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5642 times:
Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 4): taking the criples and still choosing the 787 over the A332HGW.
Oh, hell, I'll bite...
The 'cripples' are already built, available now and looking for a new owner, probably at a comfy discount.
A332s would have to be built, and they come with a waiting list these days.
Best of luck to Lionwhatever on this venture. It's nice to see these frames find a home.
I've heard of and seen premium carriers launching low cost subsidiaries, but a low cost launching a premium airline? Especially when that low cost is Lion Air and its track record?
I wish them the best, but won't be buying shares just yet...
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
lion business is profitable
I know because their base terminal in jakarta cause traffic jam
according to the news their control market share about 45 percent
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26676 posts, RR: 83 Reply 23, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3800 times:
Quoting francoflier (Reply 20): The 'cripples' are already built, available now and looking for a new owner, probably at a comfy discount. A332s would have to be built, and they come with a waiting list these days.
Boeing appears to have stored those early-build 787 frames to concentrate on finishing the LN20-LN65 frames, so Batik Air might very well be waiting for some time.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3532 times:
Wonder how many frames from EMC will be delivered this year, 8 so far and about 8 in preparation for delivery. Will they get another 16 delivered before new year? LN66 and above should be fast ones, no need for EMC. There must be a few fast ones to get fixed in Paine field?
25 bestwestern: Causing a traffic jam doesn't mean profitability.
26 sweair: Better to have inventory idle? I don't get how you think that would make any money? Flying frames will, parts and service..
27 bestwestern: So, sweair, please explain how a traffic jam = profitability. Where did I say that it's better to leave inventory idle? Please point to the lion air p
28 sweair: Lion air will likely need spare parts and service during its use of the frames, they will however be getting these a long time from now. Better than t
29 mandala499: IOSA reportedly (unconfirmed) passed. If so, they can now apply for IATA membership. There has been turnarounds in many aspects inside Lion... but it
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