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2006 Pilatus PC-12/47 Breaks Apart Mid-air  
User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1445 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 29222 times:

We know General Aviation accidents happen regularly but this one struck me in particular as it involves a reputable Pilatus possibly breaking up (wing) in flight. Tornado?
Apparently one of the pilots' children may have been thrown out through the hole caused by the seperation...
The Pilot, wife and 4 kids all perished.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...KA/history/20120607/1530Z/KFPR/3JC

http://www.thedailyunion.net/newsdetail.asp?article_id=13133

http://www2.tbo.com/news/news/2012/j...issing-after-polk-plane-ar-413540/

http://baynews9.com/content/news/bay...2012/6/8/ntsb_begins_their_in.html

Could this have been a weather related accident? Or was the disintegration of the plane secondary? (in other words, what happened before it?) Or both possibly...

[Edited 2012-06-08 13:45:02]


Question Conventional Wisdom. While not all commonly held beliefs are wrong…all should be questioned.
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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 28921 times:

And the Pilatus is a very stoutly built airframe, too.

User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 28705 times:

If you look at the NTSB reports there have recently been a number of inflight break ups, usually due to encounters with t-storms.

Here is another example of what happens when you play with "sucker holes" in T-Storms.

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/br...ef.aspx?ev_id=20120531X02455&key=1

When you have all of those strong updrafts right next to equally or stronger downdrafts something is going to give, but not before having the ride of a lifetime.


User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1982 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 28540 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
Here is another example of what happens when you play with "sucker holes" in T-Storms.

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/br...ef.aspx?ev_id=20120531X02455&key=1

Yah...that's my wife's ex-boss. Tragic that it happened, and my sympathies to his family...but I have no sympathy for him...he basically killed himself through his own sheer stupidity.

[Edited 2012-06-08 15:41:55]

User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 27844 times:

There is another theory that one of the kids opened the door in flight

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7970 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 27644 times:


A small airframe, no matter how sturdy, will never be able to survive an updraft.

Quoting peanuts (Thread starter):

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...R/3JC

That is a brutal dogleg to the right >
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
When you have all of those strong updrafts right next to equally or stronger downdrafts something is going to give, but not before having the ride of a lifetime.

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User currently offlinejogales From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 27586 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 4):
There is another theory that one of the kids opened the door in flight

They were cruising at 26,000 feet, it would be impossible for a child to open a door with that much of a pressure difference.

Interesting note on the airplane, it was in the news a little while back after allegedly being used to transport Casey Anthony. It was owned by one of her former lawyers.



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User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 27559 times:

It was reported on FOX13 News in TPA this evening the body of the missing 13 year old boy was found over a mile away from the impact point, that other pieces of A/C were found up to 4 miles away, and that the pilot had radioed a Mayday but with no explanation and that no further communication was heard from the plane likely due to loss of control. Investigators are speculating the young boy was ejected from the aircraft as it came apart due to the loss of a large section of fuselage near the cabin.
There was weather in the Central part of Florida yesterday, and investigators are looking at turbulence or significant weather above 20K.
An unfortunate accident for a prominent family and community from Kansas.



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 27431 times:
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Such a horrible tragedy. I couldn't even imagine that happening to my loved ones. I'd be interested to see the final report to see what the NTSB has to say about it.
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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1632 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 27049 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
A small airframe, no matter how sturdy, will never be able to survive an updraft.

So what you are saying is small airplanes can't survive a thermal at all? Interesting.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 26830 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
That is a brutal dogleg to the right

Yes. If you check the log (if it's accurate) the pilot is doing a 180 turn at 12:33pm.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...y/20120607/1530Z/KFPR/3JC/tracklog

Would the pilot be making this move to avoid weather or has damage to the aircraft occurred and it is changing the course of flight?

[Edited 2012-06-08 20:08:26]


Question Conventional Wisdom. While not all commonly held beliefs are wrong…all should be questioned.
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7970 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 26485 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 9):
So what you are saying is small airplanes can't survive a thermal at all? Interesting.

A thermal is nothing compared to a thunderstorm updraft, in my opinion. Especially when hail and charged clouds are involved.



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1632 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 26084 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
A thermal is nothing compared to a thunderstorm updraft, in my opinion. Especially when hail and charged clouds are involved.

No doubt, but you said that a small airframe would never be able to survive an updraft. I just wanted to say that you should have said a thunderstorm updraft.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7970 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 25948 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 12):
No doubt, but you said that a small airframe would never be able to survive an updraft. I just wanted to say that you should have said a thunderstorm updraft.

Ah i see what you mean, my mistake. It was implied as I was typing but I guess people don't get my implications lol



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User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 24844 times:

And don't believe everything that ATC tells you about the weather.

I was flying once over Kansas in a BE35 Bonanza at 10K feet. I was on an IFR flight plan going through some calm clouds when I noticed it was getting darker outside. Called ATC to ask about what they are showing ahead of me. They reported that "nothing signifigant" was in my way. A few minutes later they called back and stated that other aircraft in the area are reporting no problems. A few minutes later I really did get the ride of my life. Lots of positive and negative G's. I was really worried that the wings might come off. I made a 180 and got out of there. I was near Liberal, so I landed there and sure enough not much later a T-storm came by.

When I landed I checked the aircraft for missing paint, rippled panels, etc. but found none. I considered myself very fortunate.
The check with the FSS before my flight only indicated "mild convection" along my flight path. Hmph!

And in the crash report I referenced what was that guy in the A36 Bonanza doing way up there at 20K feet. That is above the service ceiling of 18,500. And I really never see any of those that high.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 24199 times:

Some planes can penetrate thunderstorms just fine--the biggest threat is hail and ice buildup, not turbulence. Of course even a PC-12 isn't as strong as a T-28.

http://www.avweb.com/news/profiles/184369-1.html


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22712 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 15):

Some planes can penetrate thunderstorms just fine--the biggest threat is hail and ice buildup, not turbulence. Of course even a PC-12 isn't as strong as a T-28.

Bollocks.

A highly-trained pilot penetrating a thunderstorm in a specially-equipped airplane is entirely different than an inexperienced weekend warrior in a normal category aircraft inadvertently wandering into one.



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User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1487 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 21847 times:

Another example of a pilot with more money than skill. You can buy an airplane but you can't buy judgement and experience. These type of accidents are very avoidable and the sad part is the family goes blindly along with an inept father. I suspect there will be much more revealed about his "skills" as the investigation goes forward.

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5793 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 21198 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 17):
Another example of a pilot with more money than skill. You can buy an airplane but you can't buy judgement and experience. These type of accidents are very avoidable and the sad part is the family goes blindly along with an inept father. I suspect there will be much more revealed about his "skills" as the investigation goes forward.

Well, by all means, don't wait to learn more about his "skills" before labeling him inept.

-Dave



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12966 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 21058 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 1):
And the Pilatus is a very stoutly built airframe, too.
Quoting type-rated (Reply 2):
When you have all of those strong updrafts right next to equally or stronger downdrafts something is going to give, but not before having the ride of a lifetime.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
A small airframe, no matter how sturdy, will never be able to survive an updraft.

Actually, some of Pilatus's older products were designed to fly in updrafts!


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I've got dozens of flights in one just like the above, and I can testify it is indeed stoutly built.

And I've had the ride of a lifetime in one when I went out looking for lift in a mountain (lee) wave system and due to inexperience ended up in the rotor. I felt like I was a punching bag! One second sinking at hundreds of feet per minute, a few seconds later the nose gets lifted up and is pointing way over the horizon. Good thing that aircraft was designed by Swiss used to flying in the Alps!

Quite often we fly on tow through rotor to get to the wave, and it's an unbelievable experience. You see the tow plane 200 ft in front of you get jolted and you know in 2 seconds you'll be jolted too. There have been times during such a jolt where I have not been able to hold my feet on the rudder pedals with all my might.

But the reward is just as spectacular. Imagine sitting in a cockpit with a huge clear canopy, looking down at trees with their golden fall color, looking forward at snow tipped mountains, and smoothly and silently rising at hundreds of feet per second. Those flights are some of the best experiences I've ever had in my entire life.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 14):
The check with the FSS before my flight only indicated "mild convection" along my flight path. Hmph!

I get it that one has to be careful about what one is told, but one should also keep in mind that FSS doesn't have infinite knowledge or infinite resources.



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User currently offlinecyeg66 From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 20968 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 14):
And don't believe everything that ATC tells you about the weather.

You say that like they conspicuously withhold information. Primary ATC radar is only so good at indicating weather on the scope. Sometimes it'll indicate a large buildup when really there's nothing there whereas in other instances, you send a plane into what appears like clear sky when it's really into the middle of a large, convecting stratocu. The latter happens more commonly when the worst of the buildup is shrouded by another rainshower and is on the 'opposite' side of the storm facing the radar. Sometimes the best info we get is that passed on to us by preceding aircraft on similar tracks. Since the radar is so limited in real-time weather info and predicting its movement, we sometimes go to a weather tracker site on the internet to help give more accurate storm cell information.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20844 times:

Quoting jogales (Reply 6):
Interesting note on the airplane, it was in the news a little while back after allegedly being used to transport Casey Anthony. It was owned by one of her former lawyers.

I thought she flew out in a Citation the day she left Florida after she was released, unless it was one of the planes to bring her back.


When this plane went down over Polk County, the pilot should have checked the weather at St. Lucie Airport. Here is an archived radar image for June 7 in Central Florida

http://www.wunderground.com/radar/ra...3570557&label=Lake%20Wales%2c%20FL


User currently offlineULMFlyer From Brazil, joined Sep 2006, 475 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20626 times:

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 16):
Bollocks.

A highly-trained pilot penetrating a thunderstorm in a specially-equipped airplane is entirely different than an inexperienced weekend warrior in a normal category aircraft inadvertently wandering into one.

But this is what the "highly-trained pilot penetrating a thunderstorm in a specially-equipped airplane" said:

Quote:
The late Dan Custis, who along with a few other pilots, flew a project to penetrate thunderstorms with an armored T-28, once told me that the experience led him to a surprising conclusion. And that was this: Except for one thing, if a pilot could keep the airplane upright in the clouds, a Cessna 172 could survive much of what might be encountered in a typical continental thunderstorm. What was the one thing? Hail. In this interview which appeared on AVweb in 2003, one of the T-28's pilot, Charlie Summers, said one problem the project consistently encountered was the engine pushrod tubes being hammered flat by hail impact. (The canopy itself had an armored outer cover.) Custis, by the way, wasn't suggesting anyone should penetrate cells in anything, but merely noting what his experience provided.

Source: http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/A...der_ThunderAccidents_206777-1.html

Also, from the interview posted by MD90:

Quote:
We would over-stress the airplane if we didn't allow it to float. Our penetration speed's 140 knots. I let it go up to 150 when it gets there, but I can only come back to about 25 inches manifold pressure or the engine will cool too much. So I just set 25 and 150 and float up when it updrafts. Then we just descend till it stops descending, and that keeps the Gs off. Hardly ever do we pull more than 3 Gs, but I know the airplane would overstress if we tried to hold altitude and let the speed build too high. About four years ago we installed wingtip cameras aimed at the fuselage, and there was no wing flex at all with all that armor plating.

So, it seems to me that it is indeed survivable if you avoid ice/hail and ride the drafts. Now, I would never have thought that, but after reading what these guys had to say I had to reevaluate my opinion. Not that I intend to ever penetrate a T-storm.



Let's go Pens!
User currently offlineJBfan1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20078 times:

It is truley sad the lives lost in this awful accident.......to sit here and speculate on pilot skills, and heresay on whether or not a door was opened or he flew through a storm, in my opinion is nonsense.... let us allow the proper authorities to do there investigations.

If in fact there was a storm and the pilot knew about it, then one might say there might have been a bad judgement call or lack of skill. Perhaps there was just a mechanical issue that had gone overlooked and it caused the aircraft to break apart.

It will be very interesting to see at the end what did bring this aircraft down.


User currently offlineTatTVC From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 19982 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 19):
I get it that one has to be careful about what one is told, but one should also keep in mind that FSS doesn't have infinite knowledge or infinite resources.

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As a pilot myself, I can't say how many times I've wished that the FSS DID have infinite knowledge and resources! That would be really nice in flight planning, and I can't tell you how many times I've wished that the FSS would make my go/no-go decision for me because I don't fully trust my own judgement, even if it's just me in the Cessna, not to mention with family or friends. This discussion is rather timely, since I'm currently in the process of studying for my IFR rating and there is another (and more in-depth) discussion of weather, including that the "safe" distance from ANY thunderstorm cell is, if I recall correctly, 25 miles, and I personally wouldn't get closer than 30 at a minimum. With tops that can get up to FL45 or 50, and high and changing interior winds, hail, rain, icing, and not to mention turbulence, I wouldn't dream of penetrating a thunderstorm. It's just not a smart decision.

That being said, while this pilot unfortunately made a go decision when they probably shouldn't have gone, Aeronautical Decision Making (ADM) is another major component of every flight, and as straight-forward as it seems, outside pressures (in this case, maybe something like: we had a great vacation, why ruin it by delaying the flight home, the whole family is here, kids have school, I have work, we would have to change plans, rescheduling etc.) and interior pressures (it's my airplane, it's strong, I've flown through thunderstorms before, the storms will probably diminish/get better after we're in the air, we can get above it, we can go around it, I've flown in bad weather before) can make what seems after the fact a crazy decision to start up and take off something much more complicated. One flight- I'll spare the details- shortly after I got my Private Pilot License, I took a 152 up for pattern practice in strong winds. While both myself and the airplane are in one piece, and I still love flying, going up that day in high crosswinds was an incredibly stupid decision and to this day I'm shocked I made it, as more than once during that flight my bad decision to go up- and stay up- almost ended very badly.

For some examples of T-storm penetration, check out Rob Machado's excellent "Instrument Pilot's Survival Manual." I haven't got it with me currently, but he gives plentiful examples, courtesy of NASA ASRS reports, of people who went into storms that shouldn't have, and their experiences (when they lived). Cessna 182 experiencing 2000+ft altitude drops. Hail at 15k feet. Mudstorms aloft (freezing mudstorms, at that!) over Idaho. If I recall correctly, there was an Apache, gear down, flaps down, power off, climbing 4000 fpm. Personally, anyone who says that they'd be comfortable taking any aircraft into a thunderstorm would be a pilot that I wouldn't fly with.

Of course, RIP for the family involved, as well as a beautiful and very impressive airplane that is also no more, but if anything, this accident should solidify that unless you are someone in an armour-plated T-38 (and even if you are!) then you should not be near thunderstorms, much less in them.

"Better to be down here, wishing you were up there, than up there, wishing you were down here."

-TatTVC



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25 SSTsomeday : I would imagine the investigation would include inspecting the wreckage for signs of corrosion, and previous flawed repair work (JAL 123). Perhaps th
26 airtechy : I live in Central Florida about 50 miles from where this plane crashed and flew in Florida weather for many years. Thunderstorms are a fact of life he
27 flylku : After reading that NTSB synopsis I am thankful my airplane does not have weather radar. I'd never be tempted to punch through a small opening in a li
28 type-rated : Remember the TW 727 doing barrel rolls over Lake Michigan due to CAT on a perfectly clear day?
29 Mir : And they're a lot worse than they used to be. Used to be you'd talk to someone who actually had knowledge of the weather patterns in the area you're
30 MD-90 : Agreed. That doesn't negate the fact that that T-28 has penetrated hundreds of thunderstorms and survived to fly another day.
31 JBirdAV8r : Arguments about what kills you in a thunderstorm are really pointless. Flying through a thunderstorm can and will get you killed. OK, "ride the draft
32 mcdu : Looking at the photo it appears the airplane suffered separation of a portion of the right wing. Looks like a stress failure from the photo, not impac
33 Post contains images Gatorman96 : Below are a couple of screen shots I pulled off of NOAA's National Climatic Data Center's (NCDC) NEXRAD radar map server. ***NOTE*** The flight path's
34 ULMFlyer : Agree 100%. I was just very surprised to learn that those T-28 guys were able to "hardly ever pull more than 3 Gs" in a TS. In any case, if Scott Cro
35 Gatorman96 : Crash site is about 40 miles ESE from Lakeland, FL.
36 type-rated : To the casual ground observer a T-storm looks like one big solid mass. But in reality it's not. It's a complex of clouds with individual cells, or col
37 Post contains links Viscount724 : And the BOAC 707 that broke apart in severe turbulence in clear weather over Mount Fuji soon after takeoff from HND in 1966, killing all 124 aboard.
38 Post contains links type-rated : The NTSB report came out for this accident. Looks like weather/severe turbulence was the leading factor. http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/br...ef.asp
39 peanuts : Sounds like more than 2 minutes of pure horror for the pilot and passengers on this doomed aircraft. But we don't know yet at what moment the wing br
40 mcdu : I stand by my original post. A skilled pilot doesn't penetrate thunderstorms and rip the wings off his airplane. Too bad he had to take the unsuspect
41 PC12Fan : Like the old saying goes - A superior pilot is one that uses his/her superior knowledge to avoid situations that would require his/her superior skill
42 larshjort : I know there is a yearly inspection for corrision for floor frames 21(?) and 23(?). Those are the frames to which the wings are attatched, could it ha
43 mcdu : Wing broke at mid span. Not near an attach point this type of failure consistent with spiral and pilot over stressing airframe with recovery method. P
44 type-rated : We'll find out more about the pilot's qualifications and the actual cause of this accident in the final NTSB report, should be available in about a y
45 DiamondFlyer : That's total BS. There are numerous pilots out there who operate jets with nothing more than a private pilot certificate. Heck, its a single engine t
46 Post contains images OB1504 : That being said, the preliminary report indicates that the pilot was taking measures to avoid the convective activity. Perhaps more training should b
47 garpd : I find your comments disrespectful to say the least. The prelim report clearly indicates the pilot was attempting to avoid the weather. He wasn't, as
48 BE77 : Very true - flying an advanced airplane in the flight levels is a lot easier and more automated on most days than trying to get somehwere when travel
49 OB1504 : If you're referring to US Airways 1549, where do you suggest they'd have put down the airplane? There wasn't any guarantee they would make it back to
50 BE77 : I am, and it's intended as a compliment for not doing something dumb desperately trying to reach somewhere that looked better...take the best place o
51 type-rated : But if you look over the NTSB reports there are still tons of people who attempt to turn back to the runway after an engine out at take off. This usu
52 BE77 : Yes - My hope is that at least one decided to land straight ahead so that the stats are better than they would have been (but it is always hard to me
53 zeke : Perhaps not the best example to use in a PC12 thread, after takeoff above 1000' you will need full flap on a PC12 not to overshoot the far end of the
54 Post contains images type-rated : Well, some do follow the guidelines and do land straight ahead, usually successfully. But the number that try to turn back is amazing and they know b
55 mcdu : You may want to let the FAA know about this, as they have been issuing instrument ratings to private pilots for years...... All sarcasm aside, this p
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