anamericanin From Moldova, joined Aug 2010, 43 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 17516 times:
Regulations vary from airline to airline. My wife is pregnant and will be travelling later this month to deliver, so I can tell you that Air Moldova ( 9U ) accepts passengers to 32 weeks' gestation without documentation and to 35 weeks with a health certificate signed by the patient's attending physician within three days of departure. US Airways ( US ) requires a medical certificate at 36 weeks (40 weeks as calculated by the LMP method is considered full term), which I understand is the standard in the United States.
As for the free lifetime travel myth, it sounds like just that - a myth (but I don't know with 100% certainty).
EDIT: DL has no restrictions, UA and AA require a medical certificate at 36 weeks or greater. Clarified above to reflect US policy.
DIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1734 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 17517 times:
It used to be the case on some airlines. Pan Am was an example.
If you were born on a Pan Am plane, you not only got free passes for a lifetime, but also an American citizenship by birth. This was because you were considered being on US territory while on board a Pan Am plane, no matter where in the world the plane actually was.
My former landlady was born on a Pan Am plane while flying from Miami to somewhere in Latin America. She was really sad when PA closed down. She still keeps her US citizenship despite having visited the country only twice or so in her entire 45 year life.
[Edited 2012-06-09 00:58:12]
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N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8035 posts, RR: 25 Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14957 times:
The idea that an airline would give away thousands if not millions of dollars in revenue just because someone was "lucky" enough to be born on their jet strikes me as absolutely ludicrous. What would even be the point? It's not like the kid chose the airline and they're rewarding his loyalty- he'd have no choice in the matter!
ordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 630 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14579 times:
While pan AM and the other airlines back in the day spent money on stupid shi&*(t I find it hard to believe that they would give this away, today certainly not. Several airlines sold unlimited passes for a few hundred thousand years back and even then the airline wants to take away that service (usually is voided through bankruptcy) so if they regret giving lifetime free travel to someone who paid, they are not going to give it to someone that did not pay and possibly cost them a lot in flight diversion costs.
As for becoming a citizen if born on a US flight, could be possible, not sure as I am not a lawyer. It is my understanding once you step onto an airline you are under the laws of the aircrafts flag.
taichen From Spain, joined Jul 2001, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13773 times:
A baby was born on an IB flight from Malabo to Madrid not long ago. IB gave the mother a few free tickets on the MAD-Malabo leg (something like 5x free return flights, or something like that) and other goodies such as diapers and other stuff. There were lots of complaints on the Iberia facebook page telling them they should have awarded life-free travel xD xD but I also think it is just a myth... or something that happened some years ago, but no any longer, just like free meals on a European shorthaul.
Mr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 798 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11731 times:
One thing to consider with all this is different countries determine citizenship very differently. Some (such as the USA) determine it by (amongst other options) location of birth but many other countries determine it based on the parents nationality. Here in New Zealand, children born here to foreign nationals do not get automatic right to citizenship.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11502 posts, RR: 62 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10840 times:
I've heard of this happening a few times. There was a birth on QR a few years back (Philippine woman working as a Saudi maid IIRC) and free lifetime travel was bestowed on the infant and possible mother too. Similarly a baby born on an Air Asia flight was given lifetime free travel a few years ago.
It happens, not that often, but the airlines don't do badly out of the PR surrounding it.
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andrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 537 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10210 times:
I don't know if it's urban legend or myth here in Brazil but MAO manager once told me a women had a baby on a JJ flight decades ago, and went to court to ask for these "free tickets" result: They obviously found out after investigations she did that on purpose and lost the cause, I don't think it's the same these days as JJ asks from the 7th month a written notification from the physician.
robsaw From Canada, joined Dec 2008, 221 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8683 times:
Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 2): If you were born on a Pan Am plane, you not only got free passes for a lifetime, but also an American citizenship by birth. This was because you were considered being on US territory while on board a Pan Am plane, no matter where in the world the plane actually was.
While there are documented cases of a VERY FEW babies (and sometimes the mother) getting free passes for life there is nothing documented for Pan Am.
As for citizenship, the situation is not nearly as simplistic as you make it and has varied over the last several decades. The registration country of the aircraft may apply to PLACE of birth IF the aircraft is NOT in the jurisdiction of ANY country at the time of birth. However, under US law, birth on US vessel outside of the 12-mile US territorial limit is NOT (and never was) considered birth within US Territory and therefore citizenship was and is not automatic.
HELyes From Thailand, joined Oct 2010, 759 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6879 times:
In 2008 a Swedish mother gave birth on Finnair flight BKK-HEL over Kazakhstan, everything went fine and the family got free return tickets to BKK, no lifetime free traveling though... The baby was registered to be born in Finland.
"Pregnant passengers beyond their 28th week of pregnancy must provide a doctor’s certificate confirming that the pregnancy has proceeded normally. However, pregnant passengers may travel up to the end of their 36th week, and on Finnair’s short domestic and Scandinavian flights they may travel up to the end of the 38th week, provided that the pregnancy has proceeded normally. In practice, the rule cannot be monitored with any real accuracy."
DIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1734 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5939 times:
Quoting robsaw (Reply 18): While there are documented cases of a VERY FEW babies (and sometimes the mother) getting free passes for life there is nothing documented for Pan Am.
I have met and known people who has such passes with Pan Am.
Quoting robsaw (Reply 18): As for citizenship, the situation is not nearly as simplistic as you make it and has varied over the last several decades. The registration country of the aircraft may apply to PLACE of birth IF the aircraft is NOT in the jurisdiction of ANY country at the time of birth. However, under US law, birth on US vessel outside of the 12-mile US territorial limit is NOT (and never was) considered birth within US Territory and therefore citizenship was and is not automatic.
I actually know someone who got a US citizenship like that. So it is true. Never mind all the legal jargon.
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However, it's more likely being the airline giving flights for life as a PR exercise. Like above, it got into many newspapers around the world, however, I can't see it happening many times. Probably more often on newer smaller carriers, which might need the PR.
neutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 530 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4713 times:
Air Asia gained huge PR mileage out of that inflight birth. It was the first time it happened on that LCC. It could also very well be the only instance as there are no other known cases thereafter. If there were, I believe Air Asia made that first occurance the only one they awarded the free lifetime travel passes. So it looks like a one-off PR gesture.
Maybe other new airline would do the same? To upcoming mothers-to-be; how about having a go with Scoot? They just might have the "scootitude".
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25 Viscount724: I think the U.S. is fairly unusual in granting citizenship based only on being born in the U.S., regardless of the nationality of the parents.
26 robsaw: Yeh, I'm sure the USA ignored their own laws, just silly legal jargon after all. As referenced, only infants born within US territorial limits (of wh
27 flyguy89: Yeah and I'm sure he's making it all up for fun When US airlines were regulated and when Pan Am was the de facto flag carrier of the US in the 50's,
28 Quokkas: True: many countries will take into consideration whether the nationality of either the mother or the father bestows nationality and a claim to citiz