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United First Winglet 767-300 Enters Service  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24310 posts, RR: 47
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 26400 times:

United first winglet 767-300 N674UA is back in the US from its Hong Kong conversion today.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...5/history/20120609/0100Z/VHHH/KORD

Besides winglets, the former domestic configuration aircraft is quipped with a new 2 class premium configuration featuring the Continental style BE Aerospace Diamond lie-flat seat.

For anyone looking to catch it, the routing for the next few days is as follows:

10June
UA499 ORD-SFO 1507-1738

11June
UA223 SFO-ORD 0608-1209
UA908 ORD-AMS 1813-0930

12June
UA909 AMS-ORD 1115-1315


Now need some photos for the DB....


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
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User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 26400 times:

Yay! It needs to come to IAD now!


Greetings from Dulles!
User currently offlinePaul787 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 26189 times:

I saw her today at ORD. She was parked at gate M1 of the international terminal. She arrived from HKG as UA6865.

I was too far away to take a picture...   The winglets look quite nice on her!



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4251 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 26070 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
United first winglet 767-300 N674UA is back in the US from its Hong Kong conversion today.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U.../KORD

Duration: 14 hours 46 minutes

Flown: 8,379sm

Pretty impressive (yes, I know, there were no cargo and pax, but still impressive).


User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 25759 times:

United.com still shows only overhead screens available for IFE. I'm sure this isn't true for the C cabin, but what about Y?

User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 25630 times:
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I thought Y was getting IFE ala the 777's.?

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2355 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 25505 times:

Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 4):
United.com still shows only overhead screens available for IFE. I'm sure this isn't true for the C cabin, but what about Y?

The passenger-facing amenities list may not be updated yet for this aircraft, but it has AVOD and power for all passengers, plus new bins, galleys, lavs, seats.


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7382 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 24143 times:

Nice to see , UA is late to the winglet-party,as usual.


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 23933 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 7):
Nice to see , UA is late to the winglet-party,as usual.



Really?? Define that part of UA.

PMUA yes, but every single aisle PMCO aircraft was equipped with wing-lets well before this merger of equals took place.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4251 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 23931 times:

Will be amusing if UA gets all their 763s wingletted before AA does (and AA has a 3 year head start!).

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9071 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 23584 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 9):

UA is adding winglets to 14 I think 67s, AA (and DL) are adding them to 50+ 767s.

So yes thats a pretty safe bet.



yep.
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24310 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 23538 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 7):
Nice to see , UA is late to the winglet-party,as usual.

In fairness, pre-merger United was a more financially conservative company, and the business case for winglets did not fit well into its expected financial ROI timeframes. CO on the other hand was more willing to devote cash upfront, and wait years for the payback.

The now combined company has taken a more blended view - for example the UA 757s will remain without winglets, while a portion of the 763 fleet as we can see are getting them. Anyhow keep your eyes open - more such projects are on the way at the new company.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 9):
Will be amusing if UA gets all their 763s wingletted before AA does (and AA has a 3 year head start!).

And they will - the winglet and cabin refits should be complete by Thanksgiving. They will be running double mod lines in HKG.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 22686 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
CO on the other hand was more willing to devote cash upfront, and wait years for the payback.

To be fair, isn't the expected payback with $100/bbl oil something like 18-24 months with their utilization? I'm pretty sure I read that here on a.net during the last oil run-up in 2007-8.


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21915 times:

Quoting Paul787 (Reply 2):
I saw her today at ORD. She was parked at gate M1 of the international terminal. She arrived from HKG as UA6865.

I saw her today too when I was driving down I90, she was parked over by the widebody hanger, it was around 1430

sharp looking

-m

  


User currently offlinemav75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20364 times:

Since when has grammar and spelling become a requirement on the Anet forums? LOL

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24310 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20180 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 12):
To be fair, isn't the expected payback with $100/bbl oil something like 18-24 months with their utilization? I'm pretty sure I read that here on a.net during the last oil run-up in 2007-8.

The business case is quite complex - not a straight cost calculation of the winglet kit, installation and downtime

There are multiple other factors at play such as consideration of gate adjustments/loss at hubs which was a issue especially at ORD for example, age of aircraft, ownership (lease vs own), etc.

So as I said - pre-merger UA was quite conservative with cash outlay, and it was hard for them to justify projects that generate positive NPV within the established at hand financial assumptions.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Switzerland, joined Dec 2009, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 19008 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):

United first winglet 767-300 N674UA is back in the US from its Hong Kong conversion today.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U.../KORD
Quoting N62NA (Reply 3):
Duration: 14 hours 46 minutes

Flown: 8,379sm

Pretty impressive (yes, I know, there were no cargo and pax, but still impressive).

That is really very impressive. According to the link was traveling only with mach 0.73?

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 13):
sharp looking

Looking forward to see some photos!!!!      

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
For anyone looking to catch it, the routing for the next few days is as follows:

10June
UA499 ORD-SFO 1507-1738

11June
UA223 SFO-ORD 0608-1209
UA908 ORD-AMS 1813-0930

12June
UA909 AMS-ORD 1115-1315

From where did you get this information?



Next Flt: ZRH-SAW-ALA Rtn on (5-13.April.14)
User currently offlinedanielgoz From Sweden, joined May 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 18936 times:

Anyone have a picture??

User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2357 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15797 times:
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Saw N674UA in HKG 2 months ago, already with the winglets. Looks sharp. With the new premium configuration, it seems like this former domestic B763 will now see international routes from now on. Having said that, what aircraft will UA send to HNL in place of these domestic B763s, once all of them receive the new cabin mod and winglets?

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13489 times:

Quoting je89_w (Reply 19):
Having said that, what aircraft will UA send to HNL in place of these domestic B763s, once all of them receive the new cabin mod and winglets?

I'm sure they will continue to rotate through Hawaii, just not as often. The ETOPS 753s will more than likely continue backfilling for capacity as they are doing now during the retrofit.



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User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1000 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13302 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
12June
UA909 AMS-ORD 1115-1315

Sweet headed on AMS>ORD in Sept...hope it stays on this route.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8090 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12120 times:

Why is the conversion being done in HKG? Certainly APB has a more convenient location stateside? What happened to MCO?


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User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11953 times:



Photos someone please....



Worked Hard. Flew Right. Farewell, Continental. Thanks for the memories.
User currently offlineCO777DAL From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11864 times:

Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 4):

United.com still shows only overhead screens available for IFE. I'm sure this isn't true for the C cabin, but what about Y?

The interior is pretty much identical to CO 767-400 retrofits. AVOD, seats, bins, sidewalls, restrooms, galley, etc...

Quoting N766UA (Reply 22):
Why is the conversion being done in HKG? Certainly APB has a more convenient location stateside? What happened to MCO?

That is where CO has been doing their 777s and now 767s retrofits. Since these PMUA 767-300s are getting the "Continental Treatment" then I'm guessing it would make sense to do them there since all the stuff for inside the plane is there plus I'm sure it is a heck of a lot cheaper.



Worked Hard. Flew Right. Farewell, Continental. Thanks for the memories.
User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2355 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11930 times:

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 23):

Photos someone please....

United's inept social media/marketing department probably won't have any sort of acknowledgment of the EIS of the retrofitted 67E.

Delta, on the other hand, would have photos, professional video productions, blog posts and all sorts of goodies to promote the aircraft. Sadly, UAL does not have a clue in this regard.


25 akelley728 : Can someone give more detail on the bins and AVOD upgrades? Are the bins from Boeing Signature Interior retrofit package or from Heath Techna? What m
26 LAXintl : Additional on the routings, aircraft will be doing ORD-AMS-ORD turns 13June-18June now. You can see it in lots of places including GDS, united.com etc
27 CALPSAFltSkeds : But didn't DL go a bit far when the ferried a widebody TATL RT to show of the new slanted widget paint scheme? The fact is these aircraft are getting
28 LAXintl : They are allotting just under 4-weeks for each one. While the first one slipped badly due to problems integrating the IFE, I suspect the rest should b
29 CALPSAFltSkeds : OK, looking at the 764 vs. 763 conversion, it appears the 764 may be a bit more tricky as they are adding/removing more bathrooms vs,. the 763. Are t
30 LAXintl : Yes they are getting 777 style pivot bins. Also new sidewall panels that match the colors and design of 764 ones.
31 DeltaL1011man : Man, it would have been nice if that ever happened........
32 CODC10 : I'm not sure about that, but it is true that Delta is miles and miles ahead of United when it comes to using social networking as a way to interface
33 Post contains images mercure1 : UA will post something on AOL and Prodigy, very very soon...
34 Post contains images LAXintl : Here are some photos from the arrival of aircraft at SFO today. Sorry on the cell phone quality. =
35 Post contains images aal151heavy : Here is the arrival to SFO. Evening lighting on Runway 28 is not optimal this time of year, so for FWIW... Ben
36 Post contains images CODC10 : Ghetto birds no more. Are those pillows I spy on the E+ seats? The headrest liners look good as well. Great stuff, thank you! As always, your contrib
37 Post contains images C010T3 : Indeed! They are now the gentrified birds!
38 UA735WL : Will the cotinental U.S domestic birds (I.E IAH-SFO type routes) be receiving winglets as well?
39 CO777DAL : Thanks for sharing. Looks nice! That's for sure. Can't wait till they are all done. BIG improvement from before. The photos above is of one of these
40 atcsundevil : Son of a... I was looking at the photos thinking those EXACT same words. Mmm, I have a clever comment. D'oh! I don't care, I'm going to echo them wit
41 Schweigend : ORD-AMS customers will be pleased. I believe this aircraft is taking over the route from a 3-class 767. Sure, there's no F anymore, but J and Y pax s
42 Post contains images zkojq : Another image, I believe this is when N674UA was at HAECO.
43 ual777uk : She looks great, well done UA. And I have to say I just love 75s and 76s with winglets
44 ghifty : Looks beautiful! The APB blended winglet looks particularly great on CO's livery. It probably has something to do with the tail and underbelly being "
45 STT757 : Huge improvement, I wish they would do this to all of UA's 763s but alas they're probably going to be replaced by 787s before too long. When these con
46 Post contains images drerx7 : I flew this bird IAH-SFO before she cocooned...this is a huuuuuuuge improvement and it looks like there won't be nearly as many onboard carry-on issue
47 tommy767 : Looks nice but I still don't understand why they kept the god awful CO seat patterns. I just flew UA and in the safety videos for this month Smisek is
48 BC77008 : A lot of people really like the CO seat patterns, it's just a matter of preference. And no, the airlines branding is not all screwed up.
49 tommy767 : I don't think I know anyone who does, actually.
50 IAHFLYR : What a way to ruin my day, knowing I have to sit through yet another of his speeches......I pray for a one of new 900 ER's without the TV installed y
51 Post contains images BC77008 : allow me to introduce myself! I am so sick of him and his stupid "culture of working together" crap!!! It was genuine under Bethune and Kellner but I
52 EK413 : Cheers... Thank you so much for sharing the snap shots! Love the interior upgrade... Definitely HKG... EK413
53 tommy767 : I think his speeches are only going to continue. I'm waiting for SNL to make a parody of it.
54 Post contains images IAHFLYR : That employee needs to be put in for the excellent customer service award for sure!!! Makes perfect sense, I never thought about it until you mention
55 tommy767 : They did the same thing yesterday when I flew LAX-ORD (clap, clap, clap)
56 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Probably the first time that 763 has had only one color scheme nose to tail, including cowlings
57 drerx7 : I don't have a problem with it, I don't think alot of people care vs. like the pattern or don't.
58 United_fan : I was referring to PM-UA.
59 CODC10 : It's blue. The old one is blue. Despite suggestions otherwise, it is nothing more than a matter of preference. As for me, I could not possibly care l
60 Post contains images CO777DAL : I'll also add myself to list. But then again I've been looking at those seats for the past 14 years. It's like a second home to me. Heck the past few
61 tommy767 : Have you been on a PMUA aircraft? In terms of seat comfort, it kicks the living crap out a PMCO seat. Having said that, these do look significantly m
62 Post contains links CALPSAFltSkeds : OK, UA just sent out the News Release and a photo on the reconfigured 763ER. http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....-newsArticle&ID=1704267&hi
63 uaord2000 : the flight never went to AMS tonight. It left the gate and then returned to the gate. The flight was switched to another 767. any word on why it retur
64 CO777DAL : I had a few sUA flights since the merger. They were in the GhettoBird, the 747 and 757. The seats felt softer and looked thicker. I know lots of peop
65 CALPSAFltSkeds : No, but 6674 is now shown for Flight 908 ORD-AMS 6/13 - a two day delay from the cancelled flight yesterday.
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