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AS Summer 2012 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type  
User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

Similar to the threads for UA, DL, AA, and US, here is data for all (2) AS stations with over 100 departures on Thursday, July 26, 2012. I figured AS is sort of a legacy carrier too... That said, this is obviously a much smaller airline than the other four.


SEA

DH4: 115
CR7: 5
73G: 23
734: 30
738: 62
739: 32

Total: 257


PDX

DH4: 66
CR7: 8
73G: 15
734: 3
738: 11
739: 3

Total: 106


SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
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User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1607 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

Thanks for all these informative posts, FSDan. It's very interesting to see the breakdowns for each airline both for comparing hubs within an airline as well as comparing airline to airline.

Since I was curious, I went ahead and tallied the AS flights at the ANC and LAX hubs. Figuring someone is bound to ask about them, I threw in SJC and SAN for good measure. Note that the ANC figures are AS metal only, they do not include the various codeshare flights on PenAir or Era Alaska. Additionally, there is daily variation of a few flights in either direction at all four of these stations - for simplicity sake, I used the same Thursday, July 26, 2012 date as the OP.

ANC

73Q: 9
734: 21
738: 15
739: 6

Total: 51


LAX

DH4: 10
73G: 1
734: 6
738: 10
739: 11

Total: 38


SJC

DH4: 9
73G: 5
734: 1
738: 8

Total: 23


SAN

DH4: 4
734: 4
738: 11

Total: 19


User currently offlineBACCALA From United States of America, joined May 2009, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6735 times:

I thought ANC had more flights for some reason.

User currently offline737-990 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 365 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

I remember back in 07-08 LAX peaked at about 57 flights per day. Most of the draw down since occurred with QX reductions which had up to 24 daily LAX departures. Going even further back PDX used to have around 45 mainline AS flights pre 9-11-01. The 32 mainline flights it has now is actually an increase in service since the low about 4 years ago.


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User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2973 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

Interesting that SEA doesn't currently get the 73Q according to the above listing. I've seen one there many times in the past. SJC has often gotten the 739, but also not currently according to the above.

23 daily flights at SJC is still a far cry from AA's past glory of about 77, but it is interesting to note that AS is by far the second most dominating carrier at SJC. As I've mentioned in other posts, I was hoping they'd continue the SJC build up but that seems to have stalled out lately.

Quoting BACCALA (Reply 2):
I thought ANC had more flights for some reason.

When you think about it, AS wouldn't have a tremendous amount of flights up there. A lot of onesie-twosie fligths to the various state of Alaska destinations; close to 20 to SEA; a few to PDX; one to LAX; one to ORD; one to DEN seasonally; the one to SFO if it comes back; and one or two to Hawaii. That adds up to about 50 as noted above.

This is really excellent work. Thanks.

On the other extreme, what is AS's smallest station? They have several with just one flight a day (AUS, MCI, etc). My vote goes for ZLO is the least served city in AS's network, which I believe can be down to once-a-week service at non-peak times.

[Edited 2012-06-10 12:12:53]

[Edited 2012-06-10 12:13:58]

User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1607 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6130 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
Interesting that SEA doesn't currently get the 73Q according to the above listing. I've seen one there many times in the past. SJC has often gotten the 739, but also not currently according to the above.

I suspect the OP must have rolled the 73Q into the 734 listing. AS 121 on the SEA-ANC route shows up in the schedule as a 73Q. It appears that AS 61 SEA-JNU is also scheduled on the 73Q.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
When you think about it, AS wouldn't have a tremendous amount of flights up there. A lot of onesie-twosie fligths to the various state of Alaska destinations; close to 20 to SEA; a few to PDX; one to LAX; one to ORD; one to DEN seasonally; the one to SFO if it comes back; and one or two to Hawaii. That adds up to about 50 as noted above.

The more detailed breakdown of ANC departures is as follows:

ADK: 1x 734
BET: 2x 73Q, 1x 734
ORD: 1x 738
CDV: 1x 734
DEN: 1x 738
DLG: 1x 734
FAI: 1x 73Q, 6x 734, 1x 738
HNL: 1x 738
JNU: 1x 73Q, 3x 734
AKN: 1x 734
ADQ: 1x 73Q, 1x 734
OTZ: 1x 73Q, 1x 734
LAX: 2x 738
OME: 1x 73Q
PDX: 2x 738, 1x 739
SCC: 1x 73Q
SEA: 1x 73Q, 5x 734, 7x 738, 5x 739

As of now, SFO is not scheduled to return this summer, but LAX is double daily. As you correctly note, many cities are served as milk runs from ANC, which reduces the total departure number. ANC-BRW has no non-stop departures, for example, but has two 1-stops and a 2-stop on a single flight number. Additionally, several cities have a single AS departure and the remainder of the service is filled in by codeshares on PenAir or Era Alaska.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
On the other extreme, what is AS's smallest station? They have several with just one flight a day (AUS, MCI, etc). My vote goes for ZLO is the least served city in AS's network, which I believe can be down to once-a-week service at non-peak times.

Right on the money. Over the summer, ZLO is down to a single weekly (Saturday) LAX-ZLO-LAX turn on the 739. In terms of capacity, the next smallest appears to be LAP with 3x weekly Q400s from LAX over the summer.


User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2973 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Great analysis of ANC. How come AS doesn't want to do SFO-ANC? I know they needed the airplane somewhere else last year. AS has briefly tried ANC-YVR, ANC-LAS, and ANC-PHX also. ANC-DEN was done just because F9 started it, but from what I understand that route does surprisingly well for AS.

Does AS have anything else planned for ANC, like maybe ANC-MSP or ANC-EWR? I imagine the latter would probably exceed the legs of the 738.

Quoting steex (Reply 5):
Right on the money. Over the summer, ZLO is down to a single weekly (Saturday) LAX-ZLO-LAX turn on the 739. In terms of capacity, the next smallest appears to be LAP with 3x weekly Q400s from LAX over the summer.

I actually really liked LAP as a place to visit. Much more authentic than SJD. Was there when AS/QX didn't serve LAP so I had to take SEA-SJD and then take the bus back to La Paz. AS did LAX-LAP years ago on a 734 then discontinued it. Then they came back a few years ago with a 734 again, but then turned it over to QX, first a CR7 and then DH4. LTO was a 734 for awhile too, but then turned over to QX.

I'm pretty sure that LAX-LAP is the longest Q400 flight in QX's network. Is that right?


User currently offlinelhpdx From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6059 times:

Wow I did not realize how much lower Alaska PDX combined serviced was..I remember when Horizon alone had close to 100 flights a day alone.......Is Portland importance deminishing with Alaska over long range plans?

User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2973 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

Quoting lhpdx (Reply 7):
.Is Portland importance deminishing with Alaska over long range plans?

AS has started PDX-ORD flights; just got authority for PDX-DCA and will soon serve every major Hawaiian destination from PDX. That does not indicate to me that PDX is diminishing in AS's long range plans. I think the reduction in flights is mainly due to a reduction in the smaller QX cities, many of which were served from PDX (LMT, SLE, etc).

It will be interesting to see if AS fills in more destinations from PDX like EWR, FLL, AUS, etc. We'll also see if Mexico tourism traffic increases enough that AS will restart their very short-lived PDX-SJD and PVR flights.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5002 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5885 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 8):


I think the reduction in flights is mainly due to a reduction in the smaller QX cities, many of which were served from PDX (LMT, SLE, etc).

Spot on. I checked out departedflights.com and checked the totals for AS/QX (1995) and came up with approximately 170-ish weekday departures with reductions on the weekends. Bear in mind QX was still operating Metros and D38's at the time as well as the F28. Upguaging to the Q400 certainly took a toll on frequencies.



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User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1607 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5566 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):
Great analysis of ANC. How come AS doesn't want to do SFO-ANC? I know they needed the airplane somewhere else last year. AS has briefly tried ANC-YVR, ANC-LAS, and ANC-PHX also. ANC-DEN was done just because F9 started it, but from what I understand that route does surprisingly well for AS.

Does AS have anything else planned for ANC, like maybe ANC-MSP or ANC-EWR? I imagine the latter would probably exceed the legs of the 738.

I don't really have any inside information, so I can only speculate. However, it seems that AS has mostly shied away from routes with direct non-stop competition out of ANC, especially if it's seasonal and/or served by a partner. ORD has been a strong year-round performer and can take advantage of AA's hub at the other end, so it makes sense. My understanding is they had more slack in the fleet when they started DEN to defend against F9, but the results were a pleasant surprise and has warranted bringing it back seasonally.

All of SFO/YVR/LAS/PHX suffer from a lack of onward connections and it's likely difficult for AS to compete strictly on an O&D basis against a carrier who can also capture those connections. To that end, I would imagine UA deciding to re-enter ANC and including seasonal SFO service was the nail in the coffin there. They'd also be up against US on PHX and AC on YVR, while LAS may just not be high yielding enough to tie up the aircraft time. Adding a second daily LAX flight in the summer makes more seats available for connections on AA/DL to all of those cities, though, and still allows AS a good opportunity to be in the markets indirectly. I would imagine that they're also trying to protect their market share to the L.A. basin against B6's LGB service, as LAX is a more important market to them than the other cities.

I wouldn't expect them to start MSP for two reasons; A) it essentially serves the same purpose as ORD, and B) DL already has a healthy year-round presence on the route with AS codeshare. As you note, EWR would stretch the legs of AS's equipment, but it also has no hub at the EWR end. I'm not sure NYC-Alaska is a significant enough market to justify tying up the equipment without any connectivity.


User currently offlineroadrunner165 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 874 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5340 times:

Steex, just wanted to clarify Nome and Kotzebue. There are actually three flights per day that serve these two communities.

151 ANC-OTZ-OME-ANC
152 ANC-OME-OTZ-ANC
153 ANC-OTZ-OME-ANC

Adam

edit: I see now you are showing specifically Anchorage departures.

[Edited 2012-06-10 16:04:19]

User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1607 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5275 times:

Quoting roadrunner165 (Reply 11):
151 ANC-OTZ-OME-ANC
152 ANC-OME-OTZ-ANC
153 ANC-OTZ-OME-ANC

You're correct. Actually, this is also one of scenarios with day-of-week fluctuation. AS doesn't serve Kotzebue at all on Mondays and Tuesdays, so the result is that the following operate those days of the week:

AS 151 OME-ANC
AS 152 ANC-OME
AS 153 OME-ANC
AS 154 ANC-OME
AS 155 OME-ANC
AS 158 ANC-OME

Essentially, they chop off the OTZ-related sections of AS 151/152/153 and replace them with complementary sections to OME.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5353 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5211 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):
I actually really liked LAP as a place to visit. Much more authentic than SJD. Was there when AS/QX didn't serve LAP so I had to take SEA-SJD and then take the bus back to La Paz. AS did LAX-LAP years ago on a 734 then discontinued it. Then they came back a few years ago with a 734 again, but then turned it over to QX, first a CR7 and then DH4. LTO was a 734 for awhile too, but then turned over to QX

LAP is a destination that I would like to see AS try from SAN (with a Q400.) If they have some spare a/c time at SAN next year, I would expect a few flights a week on that beautiful bird would work very nicely. (What would really be great would be to fly it beyond Baja over to MZT but I don't know if AS would do any intra-Mexico hops...)

I think there are other routes in Mexico as well that AS route development might be looking at from SAN; they seem to be having success with both routes they currently fly. (Especially given the present state of things overall in Mexico these days.)

bb


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 8):
I think the reduction in flights is mainly due to a reduction in the smaller QX cities, many of which were served from PDX (LMT, SLE, etc).

Not to mention OTH, PDT, RDD & ACV.....

Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
LAP is a destination that I would like to see AS try from SAN (with a Q400.) If they have some spare a/c time at SAN next year, I would expect a few flights a week on that beautiful bird would work very nicely. (What would really be great would be to fly it beyond Baja over to MZT but I don't know if AS would do any intra-Mexico hops...)

I think there are other routes in Mexico as well that AS route development might be looking at from SAN; they seem to be having success with both routes they currently fly. (Especially given the present state of things overall in Mexico these days.)

bb

I think you are spot on with your thoughts here, if AS is indeed in the midst of the "SAN experiment" I fully expect to see more and more transborder flights, plus additional domestic destinations, say TUS?



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User currently offlineSkyTeam7488 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3537 times:

In combining these in a single spreadsheet, I entered the data in my excel and I get a total for SEA at 267. Not sure if there is a miscalculation or just a typo. I am working on adding a few to this collection as well, working on WN now. Then will move on to the AF, LH, BA and so on.

Quoting FSDan (Thread starter):
SEA

DH4: 115
CR7: 5
73G: 23
734: 30
738: 62
739: 32

Total: 257



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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 842 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3511 times:
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Quoting steex (Reply 1):
SJC

DH4: 9
73G: 5
734: 1
738: 8

Total: 23



I can tell you that out of SJC, on PDX and SEA departures, equipment varies depending on the load. I realize the data shown is for a specific day, but for example the 6:55pm SEA can go from a 73G one day to a 738 the next. Something AS did not do much of in the past, tailoring the equipment to meet the demand from day to day.

Tom SJC



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User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1607 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3448 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 16):
I can tell you that out of SJC, on PDX and SEA departures, equipment varies depending on the load. I realize the data shown is for a specific day, but for example the 6:55pm SEA can go from a 73G one day to a 738 the next. Something AS did not do much of in the past, tailoring the equipment to meet the demand from day to day.

That makes sense, and pretty much every airline does this to some level if they are able. A319/320 swaps are very common for carriers operating both, and I recall at NW, it was a complete crap shoot which DC-9 model would show up at the gate half the time. But at the end of the day, they have to actually schedule something. The figures shown in these threads represent that.


User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2973 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 16):
I can tell you that out of SJC, on PDX and SEA departures, equipment varies depending on the load. I realize the data shown is for a specific day, but for example the 6:55pm SEA can go from a 73G one day to a 738 the next. Something AS did not do much of in the past, tailoring the equipment to meet the demand from day to day.

I've noticed that too the last few years. A given flight will be scheduled as a 737-700, but I'll show up and it's really a 737-400 or 737-800 on several occasions. In one case, an -800 was scheduled to SJC during Christmas, but a -900 was sitting at the gate.

A few have been last minuted maintenance or delay swap-outs, but several seemed to just have been equipment substitutions for the day.

I guess AS can do that when they only fly one major model and every pilot can fly every airplane in their fleet.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5353 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

How does AS handle the seat assignments in these cases of last-minute equipment changes? Obviously with a larger a/c subbing for a smaller, there's no problem (except minor cases where indivudual row numbers may not exist in the new plane for a few unlucky souls) but what about downgrades of the a/c? If an -800 is scheduled but it's got a light load and they swap out a -400 that day, wouldn't we see a lot of messed up assignments and even bps as boarding occurs? (Read: angry pax.) Sounds like an ongoing headache to me... (Maybe they hardly ever downgrade aircraft?)

bb


User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2973 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
How does AS handle the seat assignments in these cases of last-minute equipment changes? Obviously with a larger a/c subbing for a smaller, there's no problem (except minor cases where indivudual row numbers may not exist in the new plane for a few unlucky souls) but what about downgrades of the a/c? If an -800 is scheduled but it's got a light load and they swap out a -400 that day, wouldn't we see a lot of messed up assignments and even bps as boarding occurs? (Read: angry pax.) Sounds like an ongoing headache to me... (Maybe they hardly ever downgrade aircraft?)

I can't speak for AS's official policy but that happened to me once. The 738 I was about to board the last evening flight to SJC went out with a Mechanical problem. So AS substituted a 737-400. I had an MVP Upgrade. A 738 has 16 First Class seats, but a 734 only has 12. So they had to "un-upgrade" four people. I was the last one who didn't get bumped back to coach.

You know, sometimes **** happens. If I got bumped back to coach in a circumstance like this, I'd live with it. AS can only do so much. They still got us to SJC fairly close to on-time. Getting bumped back to Coach or riding in a 734 is a heck of a lot better than a 12 hour overnight delay.

The other thing that has happened to me is when I book the second exit row in a 73G (e.g. Row 13) but they later reschedule the flight to a 734 in which Row 13 is the non-reclining exit seat. That's kind of a pain. I thought I just read that AS is renumbering exit rows so the row number is consistent across each minor model to prevent this.


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 842 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3208 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
How does AS handle the seat assignments in these cases of last-minute equipment changes


The equipment swaps are usually programmed far enough out, that there is minimal effect on the customers.

Tom SJC



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User currently offlinebayareablue From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 20):
The other thing that has happened to me is when I book the second exit row in a 73G (e.g. Row 13) but they later reschedule the flight to a 734 in which Row 13 is the non-reclining exit seat. That's kind of a pain. I thought I just read that AS is renumbering exit rows so the row number is consistent across each minor model to prevent this.

You are correct on that. All of the aircraft (except the Combi's) have the same row numbers for in front of the exit row and and both exit rows to eleviate the issues with equipment swaps.


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
(except minor cases where indivudual row numbers may not exist in the new plane for a few unlucky souls)
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 20):
(e.g. Row 13)

A bit off topic, but here it goes. Back in 1980 we flew EZ PDX-OGG-PDX, they were using the old sticker method of seat assignments, our family was booked in row 13, when we got on the DC-8 bound for PDX, we find no row 13 at all, and ended up having EZ find us 4 seats together on a packed DC-8. What they did was use HA's DC-8 seating charts that must have been available instead of EZ's own, and we ended up in what would have been called first class, that EZ had blocked out for the charter, only 4 seats up there, exactly 1 row, 2 other people were bumped off the once weekly service.



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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Quoting SkyTeam7488 (Reply 15):
In combining these in a single spreadsheet, I entered the data in my excel and I get a total for SEA at 267. Not sure if there is a miscalculation or just a typo.

Good catch! The total is actually correct at 257. But the number of 739 departures should be 22, not 32. I must not be able to read my own handwriting.  

Unfortunately, it looks like it's too late for me to edit the original post.



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