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Immediately Effective: CX888/9 Suspended Again  
User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

Attn: www??cx

Cathay :" CX888/889 btwn YVR and JFK is suspended due to AOA action." X There are also some other flights got suspended. X There have been more than 100 pilots called in sick in the past two days.

For your info // R Panda




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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

I was wrong in saying the industrial action was over then.  Sad


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6605 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

Ooooooh, it's not going to be over for a while yet.

User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1162 times:

Go for it lads, go for it

CX flyboy:-

Could I send you an e-mail (got my results, nothing serious)



Live life to max!!!
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

CX FLyboy: Are you in the HKAOA? Are you taking part in Limited Industrial Action? If so, are you scared they might sack you from a very well paid job anyway?! I would be. But then again, I don't know what it's like there.


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1102 times:

Hey, is B-HOP a pilot of Cathay?  Wink/being sarcastic

r panda


User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6605 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1061 times:

B-HOP, sure, send me an e-mail.

Singapore_Air,

It's not only about money. It's about respect, it about being treated well by the company, not about deceit, mistrust and bad management. Most of the guys are saying that they don't care about their jobs anymore. Most have escape routes and are willing to lose their jobs to make it a better company for the newcomers.
If I left, I would be leaving a fairly decent pay, not certainly not the highest. There are different pay scales in Cathay and I am on the lowest. THE lowest. I could go elsewhere for good conditions, I don't have to stay. This is not only about money. I want to work for a good airline that treats me well. One where I can pledge my loyalty to, and expect to be treated well in return, not like some sort of criminal. I want to be able to have a happy 30year career in an airline and develop slowly to the top. At the moment, with this current management, I just can't see that happening.


User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1046 times:

For your info again, CX829/20Aug/YYZ-HKG is delayed due shortage of pilots. Inbound flight pilots will operate the flight out tomorrow as CX829/21Aug with STD around 03:00z UTC

rgds // R Panda


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

CX Flyboy:  Sad  Sad Waaaaa. Well good luck. But if you just think, if you hang in there, those Tony Tyler and Bill Turnball or whatever, will leave.

I would reccommend you to SIA, however they pay is not high enough for Hong Kong living. Sorry.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineCatpac From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1008 times:

Singapore_Air,

Do you know the policy on ex-pat second officers at SQ, i.e. do they hire outsiders at all as S/O's or do they only hire locals (cadets)???

All I have ever seen at SQ were direct entry Command oppurtunities.

Reply appreciated.
Mike


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 988 times:

See singaporeair.com, About SIA, Careers or something like that.

I don't think they hire 2nd officers, or at least they haven't advertised in any magazine i've read. However give them a call. However, if you live in HKG,. Oh you live in NZ. Well give them a call. They do base pilots in SYD and PER.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineCXCPA From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 956 times:

Don't be shocked! It is because of the CX pilots. No one knows what the CX pilots will do. They also don't know because they just follow their union's instruction. According to an English newspaper, AOA asked their members to have sick leave now. CX executives said thatan AOA member forwarded an e-mail about the sick leaves wrongly to them. And the mail said that the sick leaves are managed by the AOA. AOA thinks that CX cannot do anything if their members have too many sick leaves. And the effect is similiar to a tropical storm hitting Hong Kong. If it is true, AOA really... We all are very disappointed to the professional pilots.

CX also said that their pilots have sick leave more than mormal level! Their sick leave certiificates do not tell everyone detailly about their sick, sorry it should be golf. Most of their golfs are pain! Everyone can tell the doctor he is pain, but the doctor cannot prove if he is pain. So no one knows they're really pain. If you're a CX pilot, please state clearly about your sick leaves or we all are very disappointed.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 945 times:

CXCPA: Now I see why CX fans are not warm to you.

"Their sick leave certiificates do not tell everyone detailly about their sick, sorry it should be golf. Most of their golfs are pain"

Are you saying the pilots play golf when they report sick???



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 940 times:

21 August 2001

Cathay Pacific flight update

Cathay Pacific Airways has today cancelled two pairs of flights due to the higher than normal level of reported sickness amongst its pilots. The cancelled flights are as follows:

Flight Number Route
CX901/900 Hong Kong - Manila - Hong Kong
CX715/710 Hong Kong - Singapore - Hong Kong

The services between Vancouver and New York in CX888/889 will be operated on Cathay Pacific's behalf by an aircraft chartered from Canadian charter airline Skyservices International.

Cathay Pacific apologises to all passengers who have been affected by the cancellations. The airline has made every effort to transfer the affected passengers to alternative Cathay Pacific flights or flights with other airlines.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineCXCPA From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 942 times:

To Singapore_Air,
I just repeated what the Mr Tony Tyler said. I do not mean CX pilots have fake sick leaves. Just CX pilots know if they are really sick. Is it right? Furthermore, is the Skyservice good?


User currently offlineAndyhunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 934 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

CX Flyboy,

Not wishing to ruffle your feathers, but just trying to be logical.

"You want to work for a company that respects you, treats you well, etc."

Then you state

"I don't have to stay".

Then you state

"At the moment, with this current management, I just can't see that happening" (The change).

Logically, why don;t you leave then and join another airline that gives you what you crave.

As stated, I'm not trying to p... you off, just trying to understand the rationale behind all of this action?? Always two sides to every story. Just depends how you tell it.

Look forward to hearing from you

Andrew




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User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 911 times:

SkyService(SSV) is not too great, but it's still better than AirTransat, another YYZ based chartered airline. SSV is a Toronto based chartered airline currently operating some A320 and A330-300. SSV can be considered as good among other chartered airlines. However, it will never be as great as other major airlines such as BA, CX, SQ, VS etc.

SSV's A320 has cramped 180 Y-cls seats that you can barely fit yourself in.

Normal A320 has about 132 seats in 2 cls cfgn.

rgds // r panda


User currently offlineCpt Underpants From Canada, joined May 2001, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 898 times:

Panda:

The aircraft that Skyservice is using on the CX YVR - YYZ - YVR route is C-FRAA, a nearly new ex-Roots Air aircraft, with 142 seats. It has 16 biz class, and 126 Y-class with 32 to 33 inch pitch, so the comfort level will be quite a bit better than the 180 seat version.

 Smokin cool

Cheers,

C.U.


User currently offlineCatpac From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 871 times:

Singapore_Air,

Thanks for your effort, but yeah I know, or I think I know that SQ dont hire foreign S/O's. They constantly hunt for Captains though,...but I don't think I match 5% of the flying hours requirements,...

Anyway whats the latest with the CX L.I.A.
I heard that one of the pilots has been reinstated, does anyone know what their upgrade of L.I.A. is up to, are they doing it,...will they do it, what will it be???

I also just found out that 2 out of 52 pilots sacked were locals (ex-cadets), just to prove to CXCPA that its not only the foreigners that are in dispute.



User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6605 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 862 times:

CXCPA,

The union has never in the history of it's operation, organised for pilots to be sick. It has never ever told pilots to take a mass sick-out, even at the moment.

Andy,

There are always going to be companies out there that offer better than what you have. It's not too logical to constantly move around as you have to always start at the bottom of the pile. I love Hong Kong, and I plan to stay forever, even if things at Cathay aren't that great. I like Cathay. I grew up watching Cathay grow and always wanted to join. However, throughout the years I have seen Cathay conditions slowly deteriorate to this current all-time low, and it is very sad. I don't want to be forced to leave. I like it here, but that does not mean that I like the current management and the way they work. Most of us at Cathay are hanging in to see how this all turns out. If it turns out well, then hopefully Cathay will still be one of the best places to work. If management end up with the way they want things, we are going to see a mass exodus, because if things don't work out this time, they never will, and I will seriously reconsider my options.
Most pilots want to join an airline and have a good productive career with them. We are not people that switch jobs and change around because we get bored and want to move. (In general we aren't). I want a 30+ year career at Cathay and I don't want to leave, even if I can. If things don't work out and conditions get much worse, once I have enough experience for a decent job elsewhere, I'd consider leaving, although I have friends here, family here, girlfriend here and it would be very hard. Many guys feel this way and that's why we are willing to stick it out and really hope things improve.
I don't see where I was illogical. It's a bit like a marriage. I want a marriage with someone that lasts forever. People can always divorce and go with the pretty girl that happens to be on the scene at the moment, but how about your joint house? Kids? Friends etc? It would be great to be with a different girl every week, but that's not the way things work. You pick one and invest yourself into a relationship and hope for the best. If you hit a rocky patch, you try your hardest to fix things, you don't just pack up and leave. Not just like that. Things at Cathay are the same. We are all just hoping that things can be patched up, otherwise there will be a lot of divorces.


User currently offlineCXCPA From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 854 times:

To CX Flyboy,
If AOA has not asked the pilots to have sick leave. How can you explain that e-mail and the rate of sick leaves? You just copy what Mr John Finlay said.


User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6605 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 856 times:

The e-mail had someone from the union saying something like "now we know what target to aim for". This was not meant as a serious target for an organised sick-out. It was probably written by someone who jokingly meant that if that level of sickness caused so much chaos, wouldn't it be great for the union members to reach that level again.

There has not been any organised sick out. No-one has received an e-mail saying "please go sick on these dates". At the time, the union already spoke to cathay management about the e-mail and told them it was not written seriously. They accepted that explanation. So should you.


User currently offlineAndyhunt From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1306 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 851 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

Hi CX Flyboy,

Thanks for the reply. I fully understand you position. Granted it is hard to walk away form something that you have invested a lot of time, effort, and blood into.

But if as you say, things don;t necessarily resolve themselves, then for your own sanity you would probably have to look elsewhere, much as that would hurt and uproot.

Hope your not offended by my questions, I was just trying to understand one's person logic. And you are clearly logical!!!

Get in touch next time you're in SIN. Assuming you fly the A330, A340, B777???!!!

Andrew



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User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 838 times:

Ths Cpt Underpants for the info about SSV's A320. The comfort level should be way better than those 180 y-cls A320. Don't you think this is a good chance for Roots Air to just make some money?  Laugh out loud
Even tho Roots Air is now gone, its spirit just seems to be around.

To : Andyhunt

CX flyboy flies 747

rgds // r panda



User currently offlineCx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6605 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 832 times:

Andy,

Of course I am not offended by the questions. I am happy to answer anything, even the stupid questions and accusations that CXCPA manages to come up with!!
I'd love to catch up with you sometime. Maybe next time you're in HKG? No idea what I will upgrade to next year, but I guess the A330 for starters before CCQ-ing to the A340 as well a bit after. Either way I'll probably manage a SIN trip!!


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