sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1836 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4034 times:
This is just the start of Boeing's harder future in NBs, they are used to fight Airbus and nothing more. The coming 10 years will be exciting to study, new players in the duopoly market. Will the old giants have to kick up a few gears?
NorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3138 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3200 times:
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Quoting sweair (Reply 1): This is just the start of Boeing's harder future in NBs, they are used to fight Airbus and nothing more. The coming 10 years will be exciting to study, new players in the duopoly market. Will the old giants have to kick up a few gears?
Well... the 100-150 seat market is going to be very crowded by 2018:
Comac ARJ-21 and C9x9
But remember Boeing has been here before...
When the 737 was launched it was up against the Caravelle, BAC 1-11 and DC-9, not to mention Boeing's own 727-100 and turboprop types like the L-188 and Viscount that were still the shorthaul backbone of many airlines. I have a feeling that the 2 of the "new" manufacturers are going to be losers, just a question of which 2 and how much of the market is going to move to Regional operators in North America and Europe.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
neutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 769 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3042 times:
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 3): I have a feeling that the 2 of the "new" manufacturers are going to be losers, just a question of which 2 and how much of the market is going to move to Regional operators in North America and Europe.
A & B are no brainers in the success path.
BD & EMB are both established in the market and should pass.
So the bottom 3 are the "new" players from the east and near-east.
Comac might or might not land any major export customer but it will sell many frames in the world's second largest economy; if simply by the "official persuasion" factor.
SSJ, with Boeing support, would appear to be in a good position but the recent crash though extremely likely not the fault of the plane nevertheless is a negative factor.
MRJ would seem the weakest of them all.
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7364 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2738 times:
There are two things that a newcomer must establish very quickly in the airliner market, at least among Western carriers, and those are support and safety (assuming that their product is economically competitive). Low price alone will not sell airliners if they consume more fuel per passenger, if they do not have competitive dispatch reliability, or if they are perceived as less safe. And if it were easy to achieve all of these there would be more than two players in the game. I am not saying that Comac cannot do it, but it will take time for them to do so.
The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
rikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2440 times:
Correct me if I am wrong. But I thought BBD and Comac are sharing development technologies for the development of their NG NB aircraft. There is still room for a CS500 just under the C919, it'll be interesting if that comes to fruition. If things fall into place, there would be a range of complementing aircraft that ranges the 100 -190 range.