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Jetblue Eyes Widebody Aircraft In 2015 And Beyond  
User currently offlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 565 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 29991 times:

http://rbiuk.ceros.com/abdn/iata-day2/page/6

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A350 and Boeing 787 under consideration

Interesting Article. Can you imagine a 787 in B6 Colors?  

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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2876 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29928 times:

Well that popped up quick. It has been discussed before after one of the earnings calls too that lead to a long discussion on here. It is obviously needed to go with his vision for our airline, although it would really come with a lot of other financial drains including facilities constuction or expansion.

Lets see, the B6 merging with AA bullcrap will start in 3....2....1....



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User currently offlineBlueman87 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29758 times:

Quoting werdywerd (Thread starter):
Interesting Article. Can you imagine a 787 in B6 Colors?

i hope the 787 i have a Feeling it be A350 more then likely..... Hoping 787



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29764 times:

I dont see how we can be considering widebodies, when we cant even build a domestic network beyond the east coast.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19408 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29734 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):

Lets see, the B6 merging with AA bullcrap will start in 3....2....1....

Oh boy, B6/AA/US! All managed from Tempe!  

I think that the 787 might make the best business sense for B6...except that they'll be lucky to get one by 2015. Perhaps they might be able to lease some A330's in the mean time? I just wonder if the A350 might be too much plane.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29635 times:

Uh oh, what's it gonna be in Florida. . MIA, FLL or MCO???

Regardless, Delta and AA will not be amused!



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User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined exactly 3 years ago today! , 2127 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29607 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
I think that the 787 might make the best business sense for B6...except that they'll be lucky to get one by 2015. Perhaps they might be able to lease some A330's in the mean time? I just wonder if the A350 might be too much plane.

They will be even luckier if they manage to get A350s in 2015. I suspect it will be more "and beyond" and less 2015 with these plans. Considering that these will be their first major long haul routes, and probably would end up being a very small part of their operations, I'm not sure it makes sense to spend a lot of money operating a small fleet of one type(i.e.leased A330s) just to quickly transfer to an all new plane.

[Edited 2012-06-11 18:09:37]

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29565 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
Lets see, the B6 merging with AA bullcrap will start in 3....2....1....

  

Quoting Blueman87 (Reply 2):
i have a Feeling it be A350 more then likely

Yeah I agree, but do you think that B6 is as dedicated to Airbus as US is? That's the deciding point here.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 5):
Regardless, Delta and AA will not be amused!

but us passengers will be!  

What routes could we see B6 flying?



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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6204 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29492 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
but us passengers will be!

What routes could we see B6 flying?

They would be very usefull in Caribbean routes out of the NYC area- for example JFK-STI/SDQ/KIN and SJU. I am sure they would also be used for expansion as well.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29452 times:

The article I linked talks of Latin America expansion and wide body use

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29451 times:

Quoting chepos (Reply 8):
They would be very usefull in Caribbean routes out of the NYC area- for example JFK-STI/SDQ/KIN and SJU. I am sure they would also be used for expansion as well.

Would we see TATL/TPAC routes too?

I could easily see B6 doing JFK-KIX or JFK-NGO (DL is too entrenched at NRT for B6 to pull a profit from there, IMO)



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User currently offlinePHXA340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29273 times:

Interesting that the A350 is being considered. I s

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):
Yeah I agree, but do you think that B6 is as dedicated to Airbus as US is? That's the deciding point here.

I think the A350 is just too much of a plane for B6 starting off Intl Ops with. I think Boeing will be eager to land a new customer for the 787 and I think it is a more appropriately sized.

Why B6 wants to focus on International Ops when they can't even be bothered with flying to the middle of the country and weak west coast presence is beyond on me though. A.net wisdom does say that Intl Ops makes more money than domestic ops.

B6 needs to show it is serious to its investors though , and they need to come up with a growth plan and I guess this is it.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8403 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29170 times:

The optimal business model includes some widebodies. It is staring them in the face every day at JFK and LAX. Plenty of their staff came from legacies who know the financials of the industry cold. If running A350s to LHR, FRA makes sense, B6 will do that.

User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 29147 times:

B6 to LIS please!      


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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 28813 times:

You have to remember that B6 is in a position where their hubs have a lot of international demands. They could run A350's from FLL to places like GRU, GIG, EZE and SCL and give AA a run for their money. They could also run A350's from MCO to places like MAN, London, and GRU. From JFK/BOS they could run the A350's to slightly under served European routes that have monopolies and need competition. Can't think of any markets off the top of my head but there sure is potential for widebodies in B6's route network. But, it all looks good on paper but in reality they will have to try very, VERY, hard to make it work.

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30572 posts, RR: 84
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 28799 times:
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Why not the A330? They could get them quicker than a 787 or A350.

User currently offlinePHXA340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 28455 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
Why not the A330? They could get them quicker than a 787 or A350.

With Boeing's planned 787 production increase couldn't they create some available slots ? Or does this create issues for the seriously delayed aircraft they owe everyone else ?


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19408 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 28437 times:

Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 16):
With Boeing's planned 787 production increase couldn't they create some available slots ? Or does this create issues for the seriously delayed aircraft they owe everyone else ?

Are there any cancellations up front in the queue?


User currently offlinePHXA340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 28394 times:

I believe the Chinese airlines cancelled some of the early birds but due to them being the orphan planes nobody wanted due to the re-work , overweight etc ...

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5449 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 28290 times:

Quoting flyby519 (Reply 3):
I dont see how we can be considering widebodies, when we cant even build a domestic network beyond the east coast.
Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 11):
Why B6 wants to focus on International Ops when they can't even be bothered with flying to the middle of the country and weak west coast presence is beyond on me though. A.net wisdom does say that Intl Ops makes more money than domestic ops.

B6 needs to show it is serious to its investors though , and they need to come up with a growth plan and I guess this is it.

I think we've seen ample evidence in this industry that trying to fly everywhere and follow the legacy model can have dire consequences. Frankly, if they want to be east coast-centric, good for them. If it works, why not?

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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 27865 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
Would we see TATL/TPAC routes too?

Dave Barger does say in the article that "we are looking at larger aircraft, especially out of New York and especially Latin America. There is already plenty of service to Europe and Asia". Saying that there is "already plenty of service" to me suggests that they would not be going TATL/TPAC, but then again, they have the perfect hub locations for TATL and BOS is underserved from Asia even with JL in town. And there are plenty of small European markets that could work from BOS.



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User currently offlinePhilly65 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 27075 times:

As far as I know the B787 is sold out until 2018 or 2020. Something like that so the only possibility of B6 getting an B787 is through the leasing channel, and I am not sure how many of those are even available. IMO the A350 and even B777 is too big for B6. They should focus more on improving ROIC and stop with these grandiose plans until then. But given their inability to grow JFK too much they will need to upgauge on some routes beyond the A321 to add new markets from JFK or even BOS.

User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 26949 times:

Well it could be possible they would be getting them, either 787 or A350, from a leasing company. Thats the only way I see them getting those aircraft in that timeframe IMO. So not exactly impossible I think.


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User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 26915 times:

It would be lovely if they expanded with widebody operations. I know South America would be more likely, but I wish they flew to Europe as well; I'd certainly use them if they came here.

I'm guessing A330s rather than B787s or A350s.


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 26401 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
Lets see, the B6 merging with AA bullcrap will start in 3....2....1....

Well see if B6 and AA merged then...  

B6 would IMO go with all Airbus. They seem to already like the product and can probably use the leverage of getting great prices on wide bodies if they attach more 320's to the mix.

If they do Latin America, could we also see some additions maybe out of LGB, LAX or OAK to further south destinations like BOG, CCS, LIM? That would probably require some of the E190's to connect to those cities mentioned though...which would be the hurdle. Boy would I love to see B6 fly FAT-GDL or MEX though!



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25 MEA330 : The A330 is ideal for B6's planned network expansion. and Airbus is promising more capable versions of the A330 in the coming years. The B787 and A350
26 panais : A330 all the way. Their A320 pilots will only need a 2 day training course to be able to fly it.
27 Post contains images KKephart13 : Im not gonna lie.... That would be bad ass looking... Maybe even do a JFK-HNL Route??
28 jfk777 : While the 787 and A350 may have double the range for JFK to Europe operations it will be used on those routes, when the 767 retires what is going to
29 Post contains images columba : A330-300 would be much better looking Also for their planned route network the perfect plane
30 Post contains images RWA380 : Agreed, unless he is blowing smoke, and I doubt it is, LatAm is big business for B6 and they are most likely being very honest about their intentions
31 KKephart13 : I know its not a widebody but... correct me if im wrong, but doesnt B6 Have 321's entering service in 2013? Any word on what they plan on doing with t
32 RWA380 : If they are NEO's, B6 could do it's ETOPS certification and start LGB-HNL with them, to get ready for further overwater flying.
33 TWA772LR : Or, dare I say it, lease or buy 767s!
34 jetMARC : Thats what I was thinking! If HA can make them work, perhaps we can too. Not too big and plenty capable. -300 aren't too big and the -400 would allow
35 KC135TopBoom : Of all those airplanes, the B-767-300ER would be best for B6, and they can get them as quickly as they want when compared to the B-787, A-330, or A-3
36 PHXA340 : There are only so much growth opportunities out of the East. Since B6 is a publicly traded company , investors will want to know what management is d
37 columba : I still say the A330 is much better for them as they offer commonality with their A32x fleet. Also if they go for a new manufacturer they would be be
38 ChrisNH : On the one hand, this sounds like 'PeopleExpress Buys 747s' Part II. On the other hand, at least JetBlue got themselves very well established before t
39 yellowtail : If B6 Wants the 787....Boeing will find them slots....guaranteed.
40 CompensateMe : Given that B6 lacks a premium cabin, and premium cabins formulate the backbone of revenue on the aforementioned routes, how would B6 be giving AA a r
41 jonathanxxxx : That's why I said they're going to have to work very hard to get the wide bodies to work. The fact is they are an LCC with no premium cabin as you sa
42 KC135TopBoom : B6 wasn't too concerned about that wihen they ordered their E-190s. The A-330 is a 100% increase in size over the A-321, which they won't take delive
43 ChrisNH : No one, near as I can tell, has any interest in serving South America-Boston. Maybe that's the play for JetBlue. Everyone talks about 787s helping Bos
44 KKephart13 : Its probably been overlooked numerous times.... If B6, Well letalone any airline starts any N/S BOS - South America route, it would be packed. Ill be
45 ChrisNH : The knock against Boston-South America isn't that the flights wouldn't be 'packed' (they would be, like you said...heck, the town of Framingham alone
46 KC135TopBoom : Isn't about 1/3 of the seats on their A-320s Y+ seats now? I just don't think you need a small number of F seats on an airplane to make money. Often
47 jfklganyc : The problem with BOS-S America: 1. It is not NY. It is a much smaller city 2. NY with all of its S America flights is just down the road 3. BOS is a t
48 ChrisNH : The metro Boston area...which really matters much more to an airline...is quite large, populous, and diverse. Lowell. Lawrence. Nashua. Manchester. W
49 Post contains images Boeing773ER : I doubt they would bother with that since HA just launched this route in the past month. I don't think there is enough room on the route for both car
50 columba : Regarding the 767/A330 it still might be cheaper to have crews fly the A320 and A330 as to have sole 767 crews, even if they can not fill the A330 co
51 Acey559 : With regard to flight deck commonality, that's all well and good but I imagine there will be some pretty big contractual hurdles to overcome. Even tho
52 Post contains images werdywerd : So then let's start the Rumor that Jetblue will once again team up with it's old father David Neeleman and merge with Azul Airlines Similar E190 conf
53 flyby519 : I wonder if the FAA would even sign off on a mixed fleet flying program with the A320/A330. I know Airbus touts the ability, but it hasnt happened in
54 BDL757 : I LOL'd when I read that! People are always talking or speculating about mergers! Pretty much since I started at DL I've heard that DL and B6 will me
55 Post contains links B6JFKH81 : Oh, I've heard it all. B6 and F9. B6 and US. B6 and AA. B6 and DL. B6 and FL. B6 and VX. In fact, it's been a few weeks, I'm sure a new thread about
56 richierich : Holy cow, one magazine article with a "hint" about B6 widebody equipment and this board explodes!! I think it is fun to imagine lots of different pos
57 Post contains images BDL757 : That is perfect! Those are exactly the reasons people use: aircraft and culture. Now people also say that DL wants NYC so bad that they want to acqui
58 Post contains images chepos : Brilliant, absolutely love it. I'm sure one of our brilliant A.netters wil start a B6 will merge with so so and so in the next week or two. Just give
59 SPREE34 : How so? JetBlue would probably set pay somewhere in the middle of other A330 carriers. They pay better than all US carriers on the E-190 now. With re
60 DTWPurserBoy : IMHO Both KIX and NGO would not have enough O & D traffic for B6. The only reason it still works for DL is that the NGO flight continues on to MN
61 contrails15 : Not only will I leave Jetblue if this happens, I'm leaving the industry all together which really should of happened already but being in the airline
62 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : BOS is #19 of the US busiest airports, LGA is #20. BOS had 1.5M more boardings than LGA (2010). Boston has some 7.6 million people living within the
63 Post contains images BOStonsox : And Framingham would definitely fill those flights! I had asked if JL would be able to do fifth-freedom BOS-GRU like they had through JFK and LAX and
64 Post contains images 747400sp : I would love to see a JetBlue 787, A350 or even A330, but I have to see it before I can believe it.
65 Blueman87 : No thats why B787 has more of a thought i think US would buy A350 never think US would Buy Boeing
66 brilondon : Would they be willing to take on some of the older 763's that are going to be available once HA starts to get their A350's?
67 Post contains images PHX787 : I completely forgot about that What about ITM? (long shot, I know, but still a thought.) I would LOVE to see a B6 744 but I highly doubt that would e
68 Post contains images flyby519 : Now we're getting a bit ridiculous... Let me change that... NOW we are getting a bit ridiculous!
69 Post contains images PHX787 : Typical of a.net, huh? But in all seriousness, back on topic: What kind of routes from the West Coast could we see B6 fly with their widebodies?
70 Post contains images ytib : Not yet... B6 will buy F9, and then purchase one A380. The A380 will house all of the animals from the F9 tails, so they can ride out the current sto
71 flyby519 : I really dont think the west coast would see much of any B6 widebodies. The Hawaii market is soon to be over saturated, Mexico/Central America is wel
72 dbo861 : I thought I read somewhere that KIX has since lowered its landing fees in an effort to attract more LCC traffic. I wish I could find the article I re
73 jfk777 : What is the fascination with JB and A330 or 787's, we love it for what it is: a short haul greart experience at fair price. Why do people think it wil
74 carpethead : Unless they want to bleed lots of red, not the way to go. JFK-NRT is another story though. The day that any airline not on a 5th freedom run doing JF
75 poLot : With DL, ANA, and JL on the route, plus AA on JFK-HND (and UA's EWR-NRT service) I don't even think they would make a lot of money flying JFK-NRT.[Ed
76 PlanesNTrains : I'm not convinced that they would be successful flying internationally out of non-east coast gateways, and I'm not convinced that the board would be
77 F9animal : Does B6 really need to build a network outside of the east coast? B6 seems to have pretty good results, thanks to the east coast. Don't get me wrong,
78 Post contains links lightsaber : The route network could get interesting quick. B6 does have the NEO on order... http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...irm-order-for-40-a320neo-aircra
79 dirtyfrankd : It was only a matter of time before someone brought it up and I'm more than happy to be the one to do it. Would it be a terrible idea for Jetblue to
80 flyby519 : If B6 relies on an east coast only network for widebody flying to S.America only then how many airframes could that really support? BOS/JFK/FLL/MCO t
81 jonathanxxxx : Remember that a competitive schedule to South America usually involves 2 per route. FLL-EZE, FLL-GRU, FLL-GIG (and if they really want to get creativ
82 mikeology : From my home SFO only one 5x a week flight direct to South America. LAN which flies its 767 from SFO-LIM. Honestly i've always wondered why there are
83 flyby519 : Personally, I dont think there is enough demand, but I am no expert on traffic flows and stats. I live in the northeast and there are very large expa
84 SCL767 : There is demand for flights between the U.S. west coast and South America. However, passengers have many options to connect between the U.S. west coa
85 Post contains images OM617 : If B6 is non-union, why would they saddle themselves with a huge legacy, their unions and the host of potential issues B6 is not equipped to handle?
86 jonathanxxxx : Daily is good for business travel, but jetBlue doesn't have a business cabin, which can be very helpful on long-haul routes. So either jetBlue has to
87 Post contains images OM617 : Ok, that makes sense. Mr Barger says "...it would be a big change of business for a company like us" and that they are not rushing into a decision. M
88 doulasc : I was just on JetBlue's Facebook page and mentioned widebodies such as the Boeing 787 or Airbus A350 and they said No plans,they intend to stick to A3
89 jetmatt777 : Realistically, the college PR grad in charge of the Facebook page is unaware of critical decisions and discussions being made in meetings on the top
90 Post contains images PHX787 : most likely this guy also isn't a member of A.net and therefore not subject to the titillating humor and speculation of this website
91 SandroZRH : Two days? haha, try two weeks, and even that's quick.
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