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AA/IAG Considering DFW-BCN And New Routes  
User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13653 times:

Hello,

According to the following article, which is only available in Spanish for the moment, AA/BA/IB are preparing a plan for the next 5 years, that will be announced in 2013, where new routes are being considered. The statement has been made by the Vice-President of Strategic Alliances of Iberia.

Apart from that, he specifically said that they are weighting up DFW-BCN, operated by AA, and using Vueling for connections beyond BCN. The article praises DFW as a connecting point, and also contains some mistakes, like the statement that AA has orders for "100 777-3000" (sic), 42 firm and 58 options. Like this order is specifically quoted by AA's Commercial Manager in Spain, maybe the route is being considered but only for the 789.

It surprises me that DFW-BCN is considered before ORD-BCN. I also wonder if another route from MAD could be viable, now that all 5 cornerstones are operated. The only one I can think about is trying again MAD-IAD.

Regarding other European-North American flights that could be announced in 2013, there's of course the long overdue European expansion by AA (ex JFK, ORD and MIA), as well as maybe other flights such as LHR-DTW, PIT or BDL, but that are only some hypothesis.

Source: http://www.eleconomista.es/economia/...-conecte-Barcelona-con-Dallas.html

[Edited 2012-06-12 12:43:08]

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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7611 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13411 times:

DFW-BCN? Hmm...That's intriguing.


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2190 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13222 times:

This article is a bit all over the place. Nevertheless, interesting information presented here.

Respecto al uso de Vueling en un futuro, Martín ha subrayado que la participada por Iberia será usada en Barcelona para fortalecer los vuelos existentes y desarrollar nuevas operaciones desde Estados Unidos, sobre todo, de la mano de American Airlines.

So my takeaway here is that Vueling has codeshare agreements with Iberia, but not American; however, thanks to metal neutrality, Vueling would be able to coordinate agreements with a DFWBCN flight operated by AA. Or is that a complete stretch?

Also, agreed that the fleet information presented in this article is completely inaccurate. It says that AA has an order of 100 Boeing 777-300 (corrected from the 3000s) with 42 confirmed orders and options for 58 more. The only numerical data on AA's fleet (both in-service and on-order) that coordinate with those numerals actually have to do with the 767 and 787 fleets, as far as I know...AA has 58 767s in operation and 42 788s on order...not sure where this author's data came from?

It goes further to mention that Dallas is the third most sought-after business destination in the US (?!). It also touts terminal D and AA's market share at DFW at 85%.

As cool as it would be to see AA fly DFWBCN, I'm somewhat skeptical on that one.

[Edited 2012-06-12 13:52:20]


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User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13086 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 2):
Also, agreed that the fleet information presented in this article is completely inaccurate. It says that AA has an order of 100 Boeing 777-300 (corrected from the 3000s) with 42 confirmed orders and options for 58 more. The only numerical data on AA's fleet (both in-service and on-order) that coordinate with those numerals actually have to do with the 767 and 787 fleets, as far as I know...AA has 58 767s in operation and 42 788s on order...not sure where this author's data came from?

The numbers were correct (42 orders and 58 options), but for the 789, not the 77W.

I'm also skeptical: Latin American connections are handled via MAD and MIA, while the most important US markets (specially in the West Coast) can be flown via JFK with AA. If they wanted a connection to a bigger hub, then I would guess they would try ORD before DFW. Apart from that, I would add a second JFKBCN flight before this one, because AA isn't the biggest American airline in BCN (DL is). Anyway, we'll have to wait till next year to know what happens to these plans.


User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13067 times:

Quoting realsim (Thread starter):
Regarding other European-North American flights that could be announced in 2013, there's of course the long overdue European expansion by AA (ex JFK, ORD and MIA), as well as maybe other flights such as LHR-DTW, PIT or BDL, but that are only some hypothesis.

What new LHR-USA routes have been rumored or are being considered?
I could see the return of DTW-LHR. Could also see new routes PDX-LHR, FLL-LGW.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2190 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12950 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 3):
I'm also skeptical: Latin American connections are handled via MAD and MIA, while the most important US markets (specially in the West Coast) can be flown via JFK with AA. If they wanted a connection to a bigger hub, then I would guess they would try ORD before DFW. Apart from that, I would add a second JFKBCN flight before this one, because AA isn't the biggest American airline in BCN (DL is). Anyway, we'll have to wait till next year to know what happens to these plans.

Did the article mention Latin American connections as a reason for launching DFWBCN? I'm not quite sure it did.

Also, AA's ORD hub is NOT bigger than DFW. Nor is AA's JFK hub better for connections to the west coast.

I'm also fairly sure AA flew JFKBCN 2X for a brief period of time.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 4):
What new LHR-USA routes have been rumored or are being considered?
I could see the return of DTW-LHR. Could also see new routes PDX-LHR, FLL-LGW.

I don't see PDX-LHR happening. DL can't even support PDXAMS year round and that is the only European connection PDX has.

AA pulled the plug on its LGW operations years ago. It would be foolish for them to recommence operations there, splitting costs between two airports in an overseas location, for the sake of one daily leisure route to a low-yielding, leisure-oriented city like FLL. Until the day comes when AA changes its business model to resemble the likes of Zoom Airlines, Thomas Cook or Sun Country, FLLLGW will never happen.



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User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12868 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 5):
I don't see PDX-LHR happening. DL can't even support PDXAMS year round and that is the only European connection PDX has.

PDXAMS has been upgauged to a daily A333 for summer, from A332 last year. The flight drops to 5x weekly during winter. Being that LHR is PDX's largest international O/D route without a nonstop, PDX could be a potential market for BA. PDX has seen quite a bit of growth this year.


User currently offlineTWA85 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12817 times:

Some ideal/necessary routes are, JFK-BHX, JFK-AMS, JFK-FRA, JFK-MUC (all by AA) - IAD-MAD (resumed by IB), MIA-FRA, MIA-MXP/FCO (by AA) - DTW-LHR (resumed by BA) - ORD-FRA, ORD-BHX (both resumed by AA), and LAX-CDG (resumed by AA). It would also make sense if EC replaced AA on BOS-CDG (flying BOS-ORY instead) and resumed ORY-IAD.

User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12822 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 5):
AA pulled the plug on its LGW operations years ago. It would be foolish for them to recommence operations there, splitting costs between two airports in an overseas location, for the sake of one daily leisure route to a low-yielding, leisure-oriented city like FLL. Until the day comes when AA changes its business model to resemble the likes of Zoom Airlines, Thomas Cook or Sun Country, FLLLGW will never happen.

Im pretty sure he meant BA using the leisure 767's to FLL. It could be a good way to funnel leisure passengers.


User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12701 times:

Not sure why BA would use up a 763 on a FLL route when MIA is down the road were they already have plenty of capacity to LHR. PDX-LHR - highly doubtful.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12687 times:
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Could AA run a 3x BCN 4x MAD out of DFW?   

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2190 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12472 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 6):
PDXAMS has been upgauged to a daily A333 for summer, from A332 last year. The flight drops to 5x weekly during winter. Being that LHR is PDX's largest international O/D route without a nonstop, PDX could be a potential market for BA. PDX has seen quite a bit of growth this year.

Growth at PDX has been primarily domestic, and to Hawaii/leisure destinations, not intercontinental.

LH struggled to support PDX alongside the DL (then Northwest) flight to AMS, especially given that LH serves YVR, SEA, DEN and SFO all within the same neighborhood. The situation for BA will be no different. Also challenging for BA will be the lack of codeshare agreement with AS, which helps out the DL flight to AMS (alongside subsidies) with extra feed.

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 8):
Im pretty sure he meant BA using the leisure 767's to FLL. It could be a good way to funnel leisure passengers.

I see the logic there, but still don't buy it. Europeans headed to South Florida wish to visit Miami, not FLL, and obviously prefer to fly directly into MIA. On paper it seems like a good idea, but if it were achievable, I feel like the likes of VS or AF might have attempted it already into LGW or ORY. Instead, the only transatlantic carrier flying into FLL is Condor.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 10):
Could AA run a 3x BCN 4x MAD out of DFW?   

Why would AA do that??? None of those three airports face slot restrictions, and AA runs a daily 777 to MAD in the summer season. It has been a huge success story.

Whereas MAD is a OneWorld hub, and it makes sense to connect it to DFW, the largest OneWorld hub in the Americas, BCN is NOT a OneWorld hub, and is primarily a leisure/tourism-oriented city in Southern Europe. I really don't see how that fits into any business needs for DFW.



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1071 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12453 times:

AA announced a DFW-BCN route once before, WAY back in 1989. It was planned to begin in spring 1990, but with the purchase of TWA's Heathrow routes and Eastern's Latin American routes around that time, they never actually started it.

Both DFW-BCN and ORD-HEL were announced at the same time in 1989, but neither were started. Last year AA finally started ORD-HEL so it would be pretty cool if they ended up starting DFW-BCN too.  



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 1049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12416 times:

I think MIA-BRU, MIA-MAN, and MIA-DUB are good Euro routes to fly out of MIA aswell as maybe MIA-DME which can be fed with S7.

User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12298 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 11):
Growth at PDX has been primarily domestic, and to Hawaii/leisure destinations, not intercontinental.

LH struggled to support PDX alongside the DL (then Northwest) flight to AMS, especially given that LH serves YVR, SEA, DEN and SFO all within the same neighborhood. The situation for BA will be no different. Also challenging for BA will be the lack of codeshare agreement with AS, which helps out the DL flight to AMS (alongside subsidies) with extra feed.

Economically, it was probably the worst time to have BOTH AMS and FRA from PDX around the global downturn. But before the downturn, LH and NW at PDX were coexisting. As well as PDX and SEA both with LH. Things are rebounding in PDX and maybe its time for another go for PDX to have an additional Europe flight. I think BA PDX-LHR would perform better than LH PDX-FRA.

Don't know where you are getting that PDX-AMS has subsidies. It has never been subsidized:
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...orts_gamble_on_delta_pays_off.html

PDX-NRT was subsidized for a time, but the deal did not include AMS.

Since then, PDX-AMS/NRT on Delta have become permanent and there have been talks of even Paris:
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i...elta_makes_pdx_nonstops_to_am.html

If Delta keeps on feeling optimistic about PDX, maybe BA would beat DL to adding another nonstop route to Europe in the future.


User currently offlinenomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12223 times:

As much as I would love to see DFW-BCN, I think ORD-GRU would happen before this (and I don't see that happening). AA will expand to Europe in the next few years if/when the economy recovers, but it would more likely be out of JFK, MIA,or ORD. DFW does not have the best locatoin to be a European hub (hence only flights to LHR, FRA, CDG, MAD, and AMS - which is seasonal). I could see IB taking over DFW-MAD with a 340 and AA flying ORD-MAD with a 763.

User currently offlineusdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 972 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12049 times:

DFW-BCN is a terrible idea. No way intl pax would really want to connect on Vueling, and there's too little traffic to BCN in the off-season. ORD-GRU is a better idea, or how about ORD-BER?

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7611 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11940 times:

As I am one of the sites largest DFW biggest boosters, at first it's exciting to hear a new route being considered for your home airport. However, taking a step back I have to agree, DFWBCN is not a good idea. Even if AA/IAG was considering another route from DFW to Europe, I'm not sure BCN would be the one to go for.

The best solution (to me) is not to start a new route from DFW, but rather to increase the seat count on DFWMAD. Unlike DFWBCN, DFWMAD is a decent sized local market and the hub in MAD is much bigger.



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User currently offlinesuperjeff From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11815 times:
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Quoting fxramper (Reply 10):

Why would they? Daily DFW-MAd works well. Why split it if it works.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2190 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11801 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 14):
Economically, it was probably the worst time to have BOTH AMS and FRA from PDX around the global downturn. But before the downturn, LH and NW at PDX were coexisting. As well as PDX and SEA both with LH. Things are rebounding in PDX and maybe its time for another go for PDX to have an additional Europe flight. I think BA PDX-LHR would perform better than LH PDX-FRA.

The two flights coexisted for roughly a little over a year before LH decided to can the flight. That really isn't all that long. Granted, the meltdown pretty much occurred shortly after NW launched PDXAMS, but it took government incentives for PDX to lure LH back in 2003, and they were given 6 years for the market to develop. If there was still potential, LH could have considered operating PDX on a seasonal basis, but they chose not to.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 14):
Don't know where you are getting that PDX-AMS has subsidies. It has never been subsidized:
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i....html

Thanks for the clarification. I was actually using the same source as you and when I came across this paragraph:

"The support we have received from the Port of Portland, the city and, of course, our customers, has made our flights to Tokyo and Amsterdam successful," said Jim Cron, Delta senior vice president for global sales and distribution. "We look forward to continue contributing to the economic development of the city."

...I was thrown off. But indeed after doing further searching I did not see any other sources confirming that PDXAMS was subsidized. The ambiguous wording threw me off. My apologies.



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User currently offlineBoeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11793 times:

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 4):
What new LHR-USA routes have been rumored or are being considered?

I highly doubt any new LHR-USA flights will be added by carrier at the moment, because of the limited amounts of LHR easily available. The only possible thing I could see is AA dropping the RDU-LHR flight, but I highly doubt it because I believe they have some sort of contract with a drug company in RDU.

Or they could drop one of their dozen LHR-JFK flights, but again why?



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User currently offlineKWBL From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10346 times:

I think PDX-LHR could be possible in the next few years. LH did very well until NW started AMS and LH did SEA-FRA. Those factors, coupled with a bad regional economy, hurt LH (by the way, they stillhad very good LF when they terminated PDX). I think the advantage BA would have is London would carry more O & D than FRA (and way more than AMS), they would have BA's network in LHR, and they have the code-share with Alaska at PDX. If PDX continues to grow, I could see both flights co-existing profitably.

User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10122 times:
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Quoting TWA85 (Reply 7):
Some ideal/necessary routes are, JFK-BHX, JFK-AMS, JFK-FRA, JFK-MUC (all by AA) - IAD-MAD (resumed by IB), MIA-FRA, MIA-MXP/FCO (by AA) - DTW-LHR (resumed by BA) - ORD-FRA, ORD-BHX (both resumed by AA), and LAX-CDG (resumed by AA). It would also make sense if EC replaced AA on BOS-CDG (flying BOS-ORY instead) and resumed ORY-IAD.

I don't think we'll see much expansion to the EU by AA anytime in the foreseeable future. FRA is pretty much a weak link and at this point, DFW-FRA does pretty good with a 763ER?
All of these additional German destinations you're suggesting would be best served by AB via BER or DUS now that they are a part of OW.
LAX-CDG will not happen again.
Who is EC? I've been trying hard to think who this is to switch these routes over too, but it sounds like by the suggestion you're making, they would be purely leisure and we all know what that does to the yields.

Quoting ANA787 (Reply 14):
Economically, it was probably the worst time to have BOTH AMS and FRA from PDX around the global downturn. But before the downturn, LH and NW at PDX were coexisting. As well as PDX and SEA both with LH. Things are rebounding in PDX and maybe its time for another go for PDX to have an additional Europe flight. I think BA PDX-LHR would perform better than LH PDX-FRA.

BA already serves the Pacific Northwest well with service to SEA & YVR. I don't see this happening unless a significant number of slots open @ LHR. If anything, I can see DL adding PDX-CDG with a 76W. BUT that's only if the demand increases a great deal on PDX-AMS (not all leisure) and the economy improves markedly over the next couple of years.


User currently offlineAAplat4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 9081 times:

The Barcelona metropolitan area is one of the largest in the EU with over 4 million people. In a better economy, AA and OW could turn this into a successful focus city. Obviously, JFK has limited connection opportunities for travelers out of BCN, and this seasonal route seems to be consistent with AA's feabile attempt at handling its Trans-Atlantic routes outside of LHR. Perhaps with better planes and service, it could regain some of its luster here. One can only hope.

I see BCN distinctly from MAD. People from the BCN area generally despise MAD for historical reasons, and would rather fly locally. So there is a case for AA starting a second BCN route. Its choices are ORD or DFW, and given ORD's closer proximityto JFK, DFW makes more sense here.

Of course, once the guys from U.S. Airways take over, one would need to add PHL into the mix. Note that this route is handled on a modern A330 aircraft.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8375 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 8933 times:
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Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 23):
I see BCN distinctly from MAD. People from the BCN area generally despise MAD for historical reasons, and would rather fly locally. So there is a case for AA starting a second BCN route. Its choices are ORD or DFW, and given ORD's closer proximityto JFK, DFW makes more sense here.

AA/IB should fly to 3 American cities, JFK and MIA for obvious reasons and Chicago for connections. DFW is too far west to be effective hub for connections to most of the USA.


25 SCL767 : However there is demand for non-stop flights between certain South American cities and BCN. AV operates BOG-BCN, AR operates EZE-BCN and both IB and
26 UALWN : Yes, AA operated 2 daily JFK-BCN flights during a couple of months last summer. Apparently, it's not going to happen this summer, presumably because
27 Talaier : DFW-BCN makes a lot of sense, but getting the premium pax might prove difficult.
28 flyhossd : I don't doubt that some opportunities exist for AA/IAG, but how are they going to fly them without more crews? That is, they're already complaining ab
29 IrishAyes : Interesting proposition. DFWMAD certainly could use a larger density plane with a higher Y configuration and a smaller F/J configuration, but that wi
30 TWA85 : FRA became a weak link because of the massive Star Alliance presense there that AA was not able to effectivly compete against due to its high cost st
31 UALWN : I don't think PHL-BCN has ever operated in the winter. UA (well, CO) operated EWR-BCN daily throughout this past winter, but apparently that's going
32 jumpjets : It is Open Skies the BA subsidiary that IIRC flies solely between ORY and EWR.
33 EddieDude : I would venture to say that oneworld traffic between BCN and Latin America would be better served via MAD and MIA. The only city pairs that I can thi
34 AAplat4life : I had forgotten that JFK-BCN was year round, so it was wrong for me to call this a feeble attempt. I actually have to say that I'd be impressed in AA
35 jfk777 : IBeria seems to down play Barcelona, Madrid has plenty of expansion space which is why BA merged with IB, BCN should be to IB what MUC is to Lufthansa
36 Talaier : The problem is you need feed to make those flights profitable enough and keep decent schedules. All the Latin American carriers that fly to BCN seldo
37 LAXdude1023 : But it isnt. Its not even close. MUC is a full fledge intercontinental hub. BCN has a few intercontinental flights, but nothing even close to MUC.
38 jfk777 : "SHOULD" is the operative word, I know BCN is NOT to IB what MUC is to LH but is could be if Willie Walsh wanted it to be.
39 EddieDude : Given the current state of the Spanish economy (including Catalonia's woes), this is not something that could happen in the near future.
40 LAXdude1023 : Nah. Spain's economy is in the toilet and has little hope of getting better any time soon. Germany on the other hand is doing relatively well conside
41 Talaier : Twice the size, to be precise. Too often people forget Germany has 80 million inhabitants.
42 laca773 : Thanks for the clarification, TWA85 & jumpjets. I appreciate it. EC is so small, I hadn't even considered them as having this code. They definite
43 TWA85 : I agree. As IAG continue to struggle with limited growth opportunities from LHR and MAD (althought not too limited at MAD), it only makes since for t
44 david_itl : Perhaps I dreamt they bought BD and thereby acquired a load of new slots for them to do with what they want, Short-term more short-haul but with 787s
45 SANFan : I wouldn't rule out a possible new SAN-Europe route in a couple of years from someone. I don't know if the AA/BA/IB alliance has any ideas, nor do I k
46 LJ : Not only more travel demand, but also more business demand. AFAIK Bavaria has much more manufacturing and other industries than Catalonia (Spain's ec
47 UALWN : Frankfurt is the financial capital of Germany, whereas Munich is the industrial capital, although indeed industry is spread out all over Germany. As
48 jfk777 : The issue with San Diego is not a market size issue but Linburgh field short runways. This why there has never been a nonstop to Europe ot Tokyo unti
49 laca773 : The only other market I can see possibly working well from SAN, is FRA. JFK777 hit it on the bulls eye. SAN doesn't have the runway length to operate
50 HUYfan : Can I just ask, where is the evidence that BA are operating SAN with considerable weight restrictions? As far as I know, we operate it as per normal.
51 SANFan : I would love some specifics on these "restrictions" as well. Would you please clarify, laca'? (Without opening up the usual can of worms, our runway
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