bigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11077 times:
It has been a while since this question has been answered. What is the current number of in service MD-90 s? Also what is now the average monthly addition to the fleet?
timf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 954 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10958 times:
There are 43 in service, 9 delivered but not yet in service, and 13 still awaiting delivery from JAL. They have been adding them at about 3-4 per month, but I expect this rate to slow down some as there haven't been many aircraft leaving the desert lately.
n515cr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 245 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10652 times:
After DL has all the JAL 90s in-hand, there frankly won't be many left to acquire...EVA, Uni, and Lionair have a handful each and Saudia has the rest (the bulk of which are stored).
timf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 954 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9728 times:
Here's the complete breakdown:
9201-9216 - Delta original
9217-9219 - Purchased from Hello
9220-9228 - Purchased from China Eastern
9229-9233 - Leased from SAS (Last operated by Blue 1)
9234-9236 - Leased from SAS (Last operated by Hello)
9237-9252 - Purchased from JAL
9253-9265 - Purchased from China Southern
In Service (43): 9201-9236, 9255, 9257-9259, 9261-9263
Delivered but not yet in service (9): 9237-9238, 9240, 9253-9254, 9256, 9260, 9264-9265
Not yet delivered (13): 9239, 9241-9252
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4288 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9591 times:
Quoting n515cr (Reply 3): After DL has all the JAL 90s in-hand, there frankly won't be many left to acquire...EVA, Uni, and Lionair have a handful each and Saudia has the rest (the bulk of which are stored).
The only reasonable candidates for future DL service are the EVA and Uni birds (11 total). The Lion birds are trashed (but might be useful as parts sources). The Saudia birds have a different cockpit and are also supposedly not in the greatest condition.
Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 6): There are plenty more 717's in the desert in addition to the 88 from FL (pending pilot contract approval).
None that are available at the moment. BCA's birds are going to Volotea.
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DiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1299 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9371 times:
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9): The Saudia birds have a different cockpit and are also supposedly not in the greatest condition.
That argument goes out the window they day they start picking up 717's. The Saudia birds and the 717 have a similar cockpit configuration. So, I'd expect at some point Delta to inquire about those MD-90's as well, if they haven't already
totesen From Mexico, joined Dec 2008, 62 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8405 times:
Quoting bigbird (Reply 2): Have you heard about any additional MD-90 acquisitions or are they done since the possibility exists that we will be acquiring the 717s?
i think that the Md-80 must go, and it needs to go fast, dont get me wrong i love the maddog but its a fuel sucker.
captainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 341 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8141 times:
Quoting timf (Reply 8): Here's the complete breakdown:
9201-9216 - Delta original
9217-9219 - Purchased from Hello
9220-9228 - Purchased from China Eastern
9229-9233 - Leased from SAS (Last operated by Blue 1)
9234-9236 - Leased from SAS (Last operated by Hello)
9237-9252 - Purchased from JAL
9253-9265 - Purchased from China Southern
In Service (43): 9201-9236, 9255, 9257-9259, 9261-9263
Delivered but not yet in service (9): 9237-9238, 9240, 9253-9254, 9256, 9260, 9264-9265
Not yet delivered (13): 9239, 9241-9252
United_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7176 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7672 times:
Quoting n515cr (Reply 3): After DL has all the JAL 90s in-hand, there frankly won't be many left to acquire...EVA, Uni, and Lionair have a handful each and
Doesn't FAT (Far East Transport) have some -90's in storage? I would love to see some -90's here in ROC.
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Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7505 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7248 times:
Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 10): That argument goes out the window they day they start picking up 717's. The Saudia birds and the 717 have a similar cockpit configuration. So, I'd expect at some point Delta to inquire about those MD-90's as well, if they haven't already
So a single pilot group could do MD-80, -90 (both cockpits), and -95?
TrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2102 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7054 times:
Quoting Flighty (Reply 17): Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 10):
That argument goes out the window they day they start picking up 717's. The Saudia birds and the 717 have a similar cockpit configuration. So, I'd expect at some point Delta to inquire about those MD-90's as well, if they haven't already
So a single pilot group could do MD-80, -90 (both cockpits), and -95?
Remains to be seen (nothing official yet from the FAA), but that was the goal. Word is it's not looking real hot right now. But yes, the 717 and ex-Saudi MD-90s share virtually the same cockpit.
NW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 488 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7013 times:
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18): Remains to be seen (nothing official yet from the FAA), but that was the goal. Word is it's not looking real hot right now. But yes, the 717 and ex-Saudi MD-90s share virtually the same cockpit.
Ehhh kind of. The avionics suite is nearly identical, but B717 and MD90 overhead panels and systems are completely different. The glass -90's have an overhead panel that match the semi-EFIS -90's already on property. Its quite similar to the MD88.
The B717 panel is total different. More similar to the MD11 than anything else.
Rumor is the B717 will have to remain a separate category due to extensive systems and flight deck differences.
TrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2102 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6986 times:
Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 19): Rumor is the B717 will have to remain a separate category due to extensive systems and flight deck differences.
True, there are some differences, but I don't buy that rumor.
McDonnell Douglas had the intention for the "glass" MD-90 and MD-95 flight-decks to be the same category. Remember, the Saudi flight-deck was the original design for the MD-90. It just so happened that the majority of operators wanted to streamline with their MD-80 fleets. The 717 is literally an MDC developed MD-95 with about a dozen mods. It is my understanding that if DL could operate the ex-Saudi -90s and the 717s under a single category.
dtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1054 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6881 times:
Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 19): Rumor is the B717 will have to remain a separate category due to extensive systems and flight deck differences.
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20): True, there are some differences, but I don't buy that rumor.
Buy it, because the rumor is true. 717 will be separate category. Too many differences in cockpits, FAA won't sign off on single category. Saudia MD-90's and 717's are different animals too. Also can't be operated as single cat. But not to worry because DL has no interest in Saudi birds. Now, it's another story when it comes to the EVA/UNI MD-90's. Look to see them in the DL fleet. Also, 88 717's may be just the beginning. Rumors are that DL have identified a few more that they would like to get.
TrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2102 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6864 times:
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 21): But not to worry because DL has no interest in Saudi birds.
No worries here. At present, I would agree.
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 21): Now, it's another story when it comes to the EVA/UNI MD-90's. Look to see them in the DL fleet. Also, 88 717's may be just the beginning. Rumors are that DL have identified a few more that they would like to get.
Now you're telling me things I have informed you. The 717 fleet may near ~ 100. Sixty-five MD-90s are all that's approved, right?
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 21): Buy it, because the rumor is true. 717 will be separate category. Too many differences in cockpits, FAA won't sign off on single category.
I guess I stand corrected. Even though it's a moot point, I find this very interesting.
A stock MD-81 and an EFIS MD-88 differ significantly, but are approved for same category. Do you know what specifically the hang-up was with the 717 and "glass" MD-90? The overhead panel that much of an issue?
25 TrijetsRMissed: Exactly. The next 11 should be on-line by 2014. Maybe, we'll see. In your opinion, where do you think the extra frames will come from?
26 NW747-400: Check out some photos in the database of MD90 vs 717 overheads. They look like totally different animals. Systems are completely redesigned on the 71
27 727forever: Yes, they are that different. I've flown both. The overhead panel is quite different as far as placement and format of switches, but the general syst
28 laca773: As DL continues to add more M90s to their fleet, I know there has been an emphasis to fly them out of the MSP hub a good portion of the time. Is there
29 threeifbyair: Do you remember if the M90s were flying to SLC or MSP? Just a guess, but SNA-MSP with a full load on a hot day may be stretching the M90s range. SNA'
30 seabosdca: The MD-90 has far less range than either the 320 or 738, so operating them principally out of a hub where there are no transcons makes things easier.
31 n515cr: Used to see the 90's here in LAX quite a bit pre-merger, so it makes even more sense that they'd fly them out of SNA, given the performance requireme
32 flflyer: What happened to the Saudi MD-90 that flew to New Mexico a couple of months ago?
33 akelley728: Are we sure Delta wouldn't be interested in picking up the Lionair birds if the price was right? Yes, would it take more refurbishment to get them to
34 laca773: They were flown to SLC and perhaps DFW at one point. They have only flown SNA-MSP since the merger with NW. I NEVER said they were being operated on
35 B757forever: Never say never at DL. If the price and the circumstances meet their needs, they may pick them up. I think the odds are against it though.
36 seabosdca: My understanding is that only two of them even remain flyable, and those two would probably not be considered flyable for a reputable first-world ope
37 burnsie28: To put it in perspective. MD-90- 1,992 SM A320- 2,336-2,420 SM 738- 2,850-2,930 SM
38 cf6ppe: In 1997 IIRC, one trip ONT -> DFW on MD90s. I was impressed with the large tour group - many smaller children and their car seats - easily accommo
39 akelley728: Is this just a.net rumour or is there some hard evidence to support this? The insides might look rough, but Delta refurbished the interiors of 25+yea
40 seabosdca: Lion originally had 5 aircraft. Two definitely won't fly again, two are flying, and there is some question about the last one. LN 2129 has been retur
41 B757forever: The interior is the least of the worries with the Lion Air aircraft. The much greater concern is the condition / maintenance of the structure, AD ite
42 gigneil: The facts remains that they ARE the same type with the same rating. A DC-9 type rated pilot can fly the 717 as well as the MD-88 with a few days of d
43 dtw9: You're missing the point. You can't fly a 717 one month and a MD90 the next without going through difference training every time you switch models. I
44 bigbird: Which aircraft are the next to come online? Is the plan to have all of the ex-JAL birds active by the end of the year?
45 akelley728: Interesting. Are these owned by Boeing or is Boeing just acting as the sales manager? I completely understand, there's a lot more to an aircraft than
46 seabosdca: Owned by Boeing. Not sure whether they always belonged to Boeing or whether Boeing's ownership arose from Lion's later transactions with Boeing. Depe
47 DeltaL1011man: Better question....Does Delta's outsourcing vendor have the capability.....
48 gigneil: Yeah. That's not right. You clearly do not have to take it every time, you have to take it once. The type cert is intended to allow mixed fleet flyin
49 dtw9: Only way the FAA was going to sign off on a single DC-9/MD80/90/717 category at DL was with a 90 day refresher course for each pilot flying the type.
50 727forever: You have the basic idea, but it's more than a "refresher." DL really doesn't have a refresher course in their approved training program. There is a s
51 NW747-400: I think DL has already set the precedent on this flight crew category issue: B757/767 vs B764 = separate category B732 vs B738 = separate category DC9
52 akelley728: Ah, well Delta 'insourced' the refurbishment of their newest 757, so there's always hope they would keep any future MD-90s the same way also
53 727LOVER: Were the original remaining 14 built and go elsewhere-------or not built?
54 FlyASAGuy2005: I know at ASA the 200 is separate from the 700/900 (the latter types are flown interchangeably by the pilot group in that category) however I do beli
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The 717 fleet may near ~ 100. Sixty-five MD-90s are all that's approved, right? 
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