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DL MD-90 S In Service?  
User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12444 times:
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It has been a while since this question has been answered. What is the current number of in service MD-90 s? Also what is now the average monthly addition to the fleet?


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User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12325 times:
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There are 43 in service, 9 delivered but not yet in service, and 13 still awaiting delivery from JAL. They have been adding them at about 3-4 per month, but I expect this rate to slow down some as there haven't been many aircraft leaving the desert lately.

User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12270 times:
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Have you heard about any additional MD-90 acquisitions or are they done since the possibility exists that we will be acquiring the 717s?


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User currently offlinen515cr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12019 times:

After DL has all the JAL 90s in-hand, there frankly won't be many left to acquire...EVA, Uni, and Lionair have a handful each and Saudia has the rest (the bulk of which are stored).

User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11926 times:

Flew a former China Eastern ac last month - they did a great job on the interior. Beautiful bird!

User currently offlinecat3dual From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11904 times:

Any T-tailed jet with high bypass turbofan engines - regardless of its current cockpit configuration - is being considered for acquisition.

User currently onlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7529 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11727 times:

There are plenty more 717's in the desert in addition to the 88 from FL (pending pilot contract approval).


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User currently offlineaviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11575 times:

Can someone list the tail numbers and where they were acquired from?

User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11095 times:
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Here's the complete breakdown:

9201-9216 - Delta original
9217-9219 - Purchased from Hello
9220-9228 - Purchased from China Eastern
9229-9233 - Leased from SAS (Last operated by Blue 1)
9234-9236 - Leased from SAS (Last operated by Hello)
9237-9252 - Purchased from JAL
9253-9265 - Purchased from China Southern

In Service (43): 9201-9236, 9255, 9257-9259, 9261-9263
Delivered but not yet in service (9): 9237-9238, 9240, 9253-9254, 9256, 9260, 9264-9265
Not yet delivered (13): 9239, 9241-9252


User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5306 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10958 times:

Quoting n515cr (Reply 3):
After DL has all the JAL 90s in-hand, there frankly won't be many left to acquire...EVA, Uni, and Lionair have a handful each and Saudia has the rest (the bulk of which are stored).

The only reasonable candidates for future DL service are the EVA and Uni birds (11 total). The Lion birds are trashed (but might be useful as parts sources). The Saudia birds have a different cockpit and are also supposedly not in the greatest condition.

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 6):
There are plenty more 717's in the desert in addition to the 88 from FL (pending pilot contract approval).

None that are available at the moment. BCA's birds are going to Volotea.


User currently onlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1503 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10738 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
The Saudia birds have a different cockpit and are also supposedly not in the greatest condition.

That argument goes out the window they day they start picking up 717's. The Saudia birds and the 717 have a similar cockpit configuration. So, I'd expect at some point Delta to inquire about those MD-90's as well, if they haven't already

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinetotesen From Mexico, joined Dec 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9772 times:

Quoting bigbird (Reply 2):
Have you heard about any additional MD-90 acquisitions or are they done since the possibility exists that we will be acquiring the 717s?

i think that the Md-80 must go, and it needs to go fast, dont get me wrong i love the maddog but its a fuel sucker.



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User currently offlinecaptainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9508 times:

Quoting timf (Reply 8):
Here's the complete breakdown:

9201-9216 - Delta original
9217-9219 - Purchased from Hello
9220-9228 - Purchased from China Eastern
9229-9233 - Leased from SAS (Last operated by Blue 1)
9234-9236 - Leased from SAS (Last operated by Hello)
9237-9252 - Purchased from JAL
9253-9265 - Purchased from China Southern

In Service (43): 9201-9236, 9255, 9257-9259, 9261-9263
Delivered but not yet in service (9): 9237-9238, 9240, 9253-9254, 9256, 9260, 9264-9265
Not yet delivered (13): 9239, 9241-9252

Wow, in one fell swoop. Thank you!



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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5306 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9478 times:

Quoting totesen (Reply 11):
i think that the Md-80 must go

Err... this thread is about the MD-90, not the MD-80.


User currently onlineNWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9213 times:
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Quoting timf (Reply 8):

Thanks.........   


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9039 times:

Quoting n515cr (Reply 3):
After DL has all the JAL 90s in-hand, there frankly won't be many left to acquire...EVA, Uni, and Lionair have a handful each and

Doesn't FAT (Far East Transport) have some -90's in storage? I would love to see some -90's here in ROC.



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User currently offlinebigbird From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8641 times:
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When will the remaining JAL birds be delivered?


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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8395 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8615 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 10):
That argument goes out the window they day they start picking up 717's. The Saudia birds and the 717 have a similar cockpit configuration. So, I'd expect at some point Delta to inquire about those MD-90's as well, if they haven't already

So a single pilot group could do MD-80, -90 (both cockpits), and -95?


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 8421 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):
Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 10):
That argument goes out the window they day they start picking up 717's. The Saudia birds and the 717 have a similar cockpit configuration. So, I'd expect at some point Delta to inquire about those MD-90's as well, if they haven't already

So a single pilot group could do MD-80, -90 (both cockpits), and -95?

Remains to be seen (nothing official yet from the FAA), but that was the goal. Word is it's not looking real hot right now. But yes, the 717 and ex-Saudi MD-90s share virtually the same cockpit.



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User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 8380 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18):
Remains to be seen (nothing official yet from the FAA), but that was the goal. Word is it's not looking real hot right now. But yes, the 717 and ex-Saudi MD-90s share virtually the same cockpit.

Ehhh kind of. The avionics suite is nearly identical, but B717 and MD90 overhead panels and systems are completely different. The glass -90's have an overhead panel that match the semi-EFIS -90's already on property. Its quite similar to the MD88.

The B717 panel is total different. More similar to the MD11 than anything else.

Rumor is the B717 will have to remain a separate category due to extensive systems and flight deck differences.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 8353 times:

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 19):
Rumor is the B717 will have to remain a separate category due to extensive systems and flight deck differences.

True, there are some differences, but I don't buy that rumor.

McDonnell Douglas had the intention for the "glass" MD-90 and MD-95 flight-decks to be the same category. Remember, the Saudi flight-deck was the original design for the MD-90. It just so happened that the majority of operators wanted to streamline with their MD-80 fleets. The 717 is literally an MDC developed MD-95 with about a dozen mods. It is my understanding that if DL could operate the ex-Saudi -90s and the 717s under a single category.



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User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1154 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 8248 times:

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 19):
Rumor is the B717 will have to remain a separate category due to extensive systems and flight deck differences.
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
True, there are some differences, but I don't buy that rumor.

Buy it, because the rumor is true. 717 will be separate category. Too many differences in cockpits, FAA won't sign off on single category. Saudia MD-90's and 717's are different animals too. Also can't be operated as single cat. But not to worry because DL has no interest in Saudi birds. Now, it's another story when it comes to the EVA/UNI MD-90's. Look to see them in the DL fleet. Also, 88 717's may be just the beginning. Rumors are that DL have identified a few more that they would like to get.


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 8231 times:

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 21):
But not to worry because DL has no interest in Saudi birds.

No worries here. At present, I would agree.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 21):
Now, it's another story when it comes to the EVA/UNI MD-90's. Look to see them in the DL fleet. Also, 88 717's may be just the beginning. Rumors are that DL have identified a few more that they would like to get.

Now you're telling me things I have informed you.   The 717 fleet may near ~ 100. Sixty-five MD-90s are all that's approved, right?  



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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 8196 times:

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 19):
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 21):
Buy it, because the rumor is true. 717 will be separate category. Too many differences in cockpits, FAA won't sign off on single category.

I guess I stand corrected. Even though it's a moot point, I find this very interesting.

A stock MD-81 and an EFIS MD-88 differ significantly, but are approved for same category. Do you know what specifically the hang-up was with the 717 and "glass" MD-90? The overhead panel that much of an issue?



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User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1154 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 8195 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 22):
Sixty-five MD-90s are all that's approved, right?

Nope, 80. but it will never get to that number. Look for 76

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 22):
The 717 fleet may near ~ 100

Might be closer to 120  


25 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Exactly. The next 11 should be on-line by 2014. Maybe, we'll see. In your opinion, where do you think the extra frames will come from?
26 NW747-400 : Check out some photos in the database of MD90 vs 717 overheads. They look like totally different animals. Systems are completely redesigned on the 71
27 727forever : Yes, they are that different. I've flown both. The overhead panel is quite different as far as placement and format of switches, but the general syst
28 laca773 : As DL continues to add more M90s to their fleet, I know there has been an emphasis to fly them out of the MSP hub a good portion of the time. Is there
29 threeifbyair : Do you remember if the M90s were flying to SLC or MSP? Just a guess, but SNA-MSP with a full load on a hot day may be stretching the M90s range. SNA'
30 seabosdca : The MD-90 has far less range than either the 320 or 738, so operating them principally out of a hub where there are no transcons makes things easier.
31 n515cr : Used to see the 90's here in LAX quite a bit pre-merger, so it makes even more sense that they'd fly them out of SNA, given the performance requireme
32 flflyer : What happened to the Saudi MD-90 that flew to New Mexico a couple of months ago?
33 akelley728 : Are we sure Delta wouldn't be interested in picking up the Lionair birds if the price was right? Yes, would it take more refurbishment to get them to
34 laca773 : They were flown to SLC and perhaps DFW at one point. They have only flown SNA-MSP since the merger with NW. I NEVER said they were being operated on
35 B757forever : Never say never at DL. If the price and the circumstances meet their needs, they may pick them up. I think the odds are against it though.
36 seabosdca : My understanding is that only two of them even remain flyable, and those two would probably not be considered flyable for a reputable first-world ope
37 burnsie28 : To put it in perspective. MD-90- 1,992 SM A320- 2,336-2,420 SM 738- 2,850-2,930 SM
38 cf6ppe : In 1997 IIRC, one trip ONT -> DFW on MD90s. I was impressed with the large tour group - many smaller children and their car seats - easily accommo
39 akelley728 : Is this just a.net rumour or is there some hard evidence to support this? The insides might look rough, but Delta refurbished the interiors of 25+yea
40 seabosdca : Lion originally had 5 aircraft. Two definitely won't fly again, two are flying, and there is some question about the last one. LN 2129 has been retur
41 B757forever : The interior is the least of the worries with the Lion Air aircraft. The much greater concern is the condition / maintenance of the structure, AD ite
42 Post contains links gigneil : The facts remains that they ARE the same type with the same rating. A DC-9 type rated pilot can fly the 717 as well as the MD-88 with a few days of d
43 dtw9 : You're missing the point. You can't fly a 717 one month and a MD90 the next without going through difference training every time you switch models. I
44 bigbird : Which aircraft are the next to come online? Is the plan to have all of the ex-JAL birds active by the end of the year?
45 akelley728 : Interesting. Are these owned by Boeing or is Boeing just acting as the sales manager? I completely understand, there's a lot more to an aircraft than
46 seabosdca : Owned by Boeing. Not sure whether they always belonged to Boeing or whether Boeing's ownership arose from Lion's later transactions with Boeing. Depe
47 Post contains images DeltaL1011man : Better question....Does Delta's outsourcing vendor have the capability.....
48 gigneil : Yeah. That's not right. You clearly do not have to take it every time, you have to take it once. The type cert is intended to allow mixed fleet flyin
49 dtw9 : Only way the FAA was going to sign off on a single DC-9/MD80/90/717 category at DL was with a 90 day refresher course for each pilot flying the type.
50 727forever : You have the basic idea, but it's more than a "refresher." DL really doesn't have a refresher course in their approved training program. There is a s
51 NW747-400 : I think DL has already set the precedent on this flight crew category issue: B757/767 vs B764 = separate category B732 vs B738 = separate category DC9
52 akelley728 : Ah, well Delta 'insourced' the refurbishment of their newest 757, so there's always hope they would keep any future MD-90s the same way also
53 727LOVER : Were the original remaining 14 built and go elsewhere-------or not built?
54 FlyASAGuy2005 : I know at ASA the 200 is separate from the 700/900 (the latter types are flown interchangeably by the pilot group in that category) however I do beli
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