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Japan Airlines Announces Dec 2nd Start Of SAN-NRT  
User currently offlineGRUIAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 63 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 10972 times:

Japan Airlines announced that San Diego - Tokyo Narita will start on December 2, 2012. Sales to begin on June 13/14th depending on world region.


Press release: http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201206/002159.html

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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 10879 times:

Awesome finally they announced the dates, less than six months left.

Quoting GRUIAD (Thread starter):
Sales to begin on June 13/14th depending on world region.

Wonder how much a ticket will be.



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10751 times:

Asia and the 787 all in one shot. Nice little early Christmas present for San Diego indeed!   


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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10707 times:
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Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 2):
Nice little early Christmas present for San Diego indeed!

What a Christmas present indeed!!

I wonder where's SANFan? Missing in action?? Big grin

[Edited 2012-06-13 08:37:04]


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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10662 times:
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British airways is doing well at San Diego, now JAL announces start dates.

GO SAN DIEGO, hell yeah......


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5432 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 10479 times:

Am I still asleep and dreaming or is this real?! Fantastic to finally hear the date; I just checked the JL website yesterday 'cause it seemed like they would want 6 months lead-time or so.

I guess this means they are fairly positive that they will have the frames in-house to start the service early in the month.

This is a very happy day!

bb


User currently offlineskyharborshome From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 10241 times:

Which routes from the US will already be served on the 787 when this begins? My ambition to travel to Japan just went from low to high!


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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10189 times:
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Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 6):
Which routes from the US will already be served on the 787 when this begins? My ambition to travel to Japan just went from low to high!

So far it's been BOS, SAN and SJC (on ANA, which starts next year.) UA recently announced DEN-NRT for next
year too. (All using 787s).



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5432 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10168 times:

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 6):
Which routes from the US will already be served on the 787 when this begins? My ambition to travel to Japan just went from low to high!

AFAIK, SAN-NRT will be the second scheduled 787-route involving the U.S. -- international or domestic. (Someone please update me if this is not correct.) And of course it may not hold up. BOS-NRT is, AFAIK, the first, and only, 787-route in the U.S. currently.

bb


User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3074 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10085 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 7):
So far it's been BOS, SAN and SJC (on ANA, which starts next year.) UA recently announced DEN-NRT for next
year too. (All using 787s).

This is what the 787 is for (among other things), to open up new non-stop routes that weren't previously viable. Don't forget that ANA also announced SEA-NRT on the 787 although that route is already served by other carriers.


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10042 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Don't forget that ANA also announced SEA-NRT on the 787 although that route is already served by other carriers.

ANA decided not to wait for the 787 to start SEA, they already started with a 777. I guess it's a matter if they
will continue to use a 777 for SEA-NRT or switch to the 787 when one comes available.(as originally planned).



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User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10012 times:

It seems that the 787 is ideal for Tokyo (and it does help that the first two deliveries for the 787 are to both Japanese airlines - JL and NH) and already in the U.S. we see them adding the new cities of BOS, SAN and SJC. Then of course, DEN is added with UA....... and that 4 new cities from the U.S. alone that the 787 to/from Tokyo is showing it's utility.

User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 9961 times:
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From what it appears to me is that JAL's DEL-NRT flight using the 787, was upgraded to a 777, so my guess
is the 787 that was operating DEL-NRT will do SAN-NRT instead. (Don't quote me on this I may be wrong!)



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 9887 times:
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Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 12):
From what it appears to me is that JAL's DEL-NRT flight using the 787, was upgraded to a 777, so my guess
is the 787 that was operating DEL-NRT will do SAN-NRT instead. (Don't quote me on this I may be wrong!)

It should be noted that on 28OCT2012 JAL will deploy the B-787-8 on HND-SIN daily and NRT-SIN 2x daily.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week ago) and read 9645 times:

Great news for SAN!
I may have to give this route a go  

Ok so we have DEN, SJC, SAN, BOS, and SEA on the 787 to Japan,

Just waitin' patiently for NH to announce NRT-PHX    



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User currently onlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3074 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9497 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
Ok so we have DEN, SJC, SAN, BOS, and SEA on the 787 to Japan,

Just waitin' patiently for NH to announce NRT-PHX

Maybe. Like I said, that's one of the things the 787 is for to open up non-stops markets economically like SAN-NRT (or PDX-CDG, SJC-LHR, etc). I wonder if PDX-NRT could support a second frequency by JL or NH. I also wonder if someone will give SLC-NRT another try with the 787 being a better airplane for that mission.


User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
Ok so we have DEN, SJC, SAN, BOS, and SEA on the 787 to Japan,

Just waitin' patiently for NH to announce NRT-PHX

On another site, NRT lists SAN, LAS, MCO and DEN as U.S. routes that it seeks. Both SAN and DEN are now going to be realized, and LAS lists 100,000 and MCO lists 59,000 annual O&D pax.

I think that LAS will probably be next on someone's list..... and after that..... maybe MCO? And after that, well, a number of U.S. cities w/o current n/s service to NRT that could probably support it via 787, including PHX, PHL, and just maybe MIA.

So now from NRT, we have HNL, SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX, DFW, IAH, MSP, ORD, DTW, ATL, IAD, EWR and JFK. BOS was recently added, and DEN, SJC and SAN are in the pipeline. That's a lot of U.S. cities now n/s to NRT, as well as the points from HND, which are HNL, SFO, LAX, and then DTW and JFK. WOW!

As for SLC, well, if DL couldn't really make it work, again, well.......?


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9380 times:

The most fascinating part of this is that these routes (to the US) are mostly routes the 787 was intended for, secondary Int'l cities from hubs. The only exception being DEN-NRT.


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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9273 times:
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Quoting point2point (Reply 16):
I think that LAS will probably be next on someone's list

I know in the past JAL and NW both had LAS-NRT flights, but they were discontinued.

Quoting point2point (Reply 16):
As for SLC, well, if DL couldn't really make it work, again, well

I thought SLC-NRT was seasonal?



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User currently onlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9264 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 17):
The only exception being DEN-NRT.

I wouldn't agree really, the DEN-NRT routing is in that same vane.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9174 times:
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Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 10):
ANA decided not to wait for the 787 to start SEA, they already started with a 777. I guess it's a matter if they
will continue to use a 777 for SEA-NRT or switch to the 787 when one comes available.(as originally planned).

To be more specific, NH will begin SEA-NRT with a 777-300ER. If loads are good with the 77W, why would they want to downsize the aircraft to the Dreamliner?


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9149 times:

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19):
I wouldn't agree really, the DEN-NRT routing is in that same vane.

Just opinion. I could agree with your side to. DEN could defiantly be considered a secondary market. However it's a huge hub and obviously NRT is, well NRT.



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User currently offlineScooter From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8773 times:

Awesome. My wife and I travel to Japan at least once a year, so this is going to be great. No more connecting through LAX or SFO! But it will be a bummer to give up on UA miles though...

User currently offlineBoeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8069 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 16):
As for SLC, well, if DL couldn't really make it work, again, well.......?

Well, that may happen. But that won't be till at least 2020, that is the earliest DL will actually accepts their first 787

It would only make sense though, it is their largest West Coast hub sure they could get enough people on connections to fly SLC-NRT. Plus it is a pretty good size banking center now (I believe it is Goldman Sachs fourth largest office in the world, and I'm sure a few more banks will start reasonable operations there due to a low tax rate the state is offering)

I really can't figure a better route for DL to choose to launch their 787



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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7914 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 21):
DEN could defiantly be considered a secondary market.

I'm pretty sure DEN is the busiest commercial airport in the western half of the US (by daily departures).



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25 Post contains images KLAXAirport : Very good San Diego! Looks like San Diego is slowly expanding?! Going to be interesting seeing a 787 landing in San Diego! Cheers, KLAXAirport
26 Post contains images crAAzy : With all those cities mentioned above it seems like MIA should be somewhere on the list ... LOL. I'll admit I'm not exactly and expert on Japan-USA t
27 chopchop767 : SAN is really getting a lot of attention from One World! First, BA launches their service to LHR, and now JL is launching their service to NRT. Even
28 RWA380 : I like the way you think, but from what I understand, PDX is lucky to have the flight it does on DL, going back and forth from 330's to 767's, I'd lo
29 aztrainer : How much of a premium do you think that they will charge for the 787? I know when the 380 started service that they had premium prices just due to the
30 Post contains images point2point : DEN is a huge UA hub, as is NRT. I'd bet that UA, with its relation with NH, will find a way to make this work, in the same way that the LH DEN-FRA f
31 ChrisNH : Of course I don't have any inside scoop, but it appears as though--from a dispatch/reliability standpoint--Boston-Narita has been doing very well. The
32 Post contains images PHX787 : I could see AA or JL pulling it off once more 787s are delivered .....or when AA buys the 787
33 doug_Or : DFW and MSP are just east of the geographical center of the US. At least according to airnav.com DEN has about 50% more flights than SFO or LAX.
34 Post contains images RWA380 : Well if that's true, then I am beyond surprised, you have increased my knowledge.
35 BoeingGuy : Not any more. DL permanently discontinued it last year.
36 mogandoCI : just booked on HKG-CX-NRT-JL-SAN =) looking forward to sampling JAL's J seat and service on their brand new plane
37 redrooster3 : Do a trip report for us! Looks like One world is taking over SAN. BA is doing very well in SAN. With the help of AA's codeshare agreement. We are see
38 Post contains images SANFan : Next up, maybe we look to the south -- WAY south!? (Isn't LAN a OneWorld member?... and aren't they getting some 787s in the near future? Hmmmm...) b
39 BoeingGuy : Yeah, like from my home airline. I wonder if a certain airline will finally sign a FF and code-share agreement with JL and provide code share connect
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