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Central Illinois Airports - Why BMI The Biggest?  
User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1388 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6324 times:

Central Illinois has four main airports. Listed by order of traffic from largest to smallest, they include:

BMI (Bloomington-Normal) approximately 275,000 annual enplanements
PIA (Peoria) 250,000 enpls
CMI (Champaign) 86,000 enpls
SPI (Springfield) 61,000 enpls


Why is this the case? SPI has the state capital; CMI has a major university; PIA has the headquarters of Caterpillar - but BMI has no obvious "attraction."

Not only that, but Bloomington-Normal has by far the smallest MSA population of the four cities. Peoria has more than double the population of Bloomington-Normal. Champaign and Springfield are in the middle.

So my question is: what accounts for BMI having the busiest of the four airports? Better marketing?

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User currently offlinepowercube From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6308 times:

Students are very low yield, and the other industries in CMI are pretty well served by AA. That is to say CMI's burgeoning tech centre appreciates CMI-ORD-SJC or CMI-ORD-AUS. There really is not a market for other airlines to serve CMI when the industries are so OneWorld centric. The afternoon flight out of CMI even links up with Etihad's out of ORD. Combined with the daily to Dallas... there's really nothing left for others to capture. I don't have too much hard data to back this up- but I used to fly into CMI all the time and would see a very specific type of traveler on each flight.

User currently offlinethreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 709 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6308 times:

BMI does serve some major employers:

State Farm Insurance (Corporate HQ, 14k employees)
Illinois State University (3k employees, 20k students)
Country Financial (Corporate HQ, 2k employees)
Mitsubishi auto plant

http://www.bloomingtonnormalcvb.org/community-employers.cfm


User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1041 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

It started with a guy named Mike Lapier. He was focused on getting new air service, and in the 1990s he landed AirTran to Orlando - once a week, and amazingly Frontier Airlines to Denver with a stop in Omaha. The airport then was one of the first to get Northwest Airlink's ARJ 85s with service to Detroit, and well, from there he got a new terminal, more AirTran, United Express, and Delta.

Mike did a tremendous job of stealing traffic from Champaign, Decatur, Springfield, and to some effect Peoria.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
BMI has no obvious "attraction."

State Farm plus being until recently the nicest airport in the area. It's also the most centrally located. Someone from Peoria can drive to the Twin Cities to catch a flight rather easily, but not to Champaign.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
SPI has the state capital; CMI has a major university;

Neither of which is a huge driver of traffic. United's capital-to-capital thing in particular was an abject failure.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6102 times:

one word: AirTran (or is that 2 words?) For many years AirTran spurred growth at BMI, plus they had a brand new terminal to boot. Now that AirTran is going away it will be interesting to see how things shake out between them and PIA. BMI was able to supplement losing the AirTran by adding G4 to SFB and now F9 to DEN and MCO. PIA though is a larger station for G4 and also has a brand new terminal and recently got DL service back to ATL.

User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3001 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

Bloomington is central to all the population / traffic generators – within an hour of Peoria, Champaign and Decatur, and nearly as close to Springfield. None of the other airports is nearly as central to the traffic generating base.

Bloomington was successful in attracting low-fare airline service, and that helped groom people to use BMI. It would have been a notch or two harder for the type of LCC service Bloomington had to succeed elsewhere. For example Peoria is a tougher sell for Springfield, Champaign and Decatur because to drive from those cities to PIA isn’t much different than driving to STL or IND, where more frequent low-fare service is available. Bloomington was well positioned for more service than their local MSA would suggest because of all the traffic it could pull in from a 70 mile radius or so.

Now that AirTran is gone, I think that BMI will only have middling success in attracting traffic from other parts of central Illinois. Decatur has nothing to speak of and Champaign is modestly served, and both those things helps BMI. But I suspect Peoria will overtake Bloomington instantly as the region’s busiest airport in passenger volume. Bloomington will almost certainly remain in the #2 slot, but it will likely have annual enplanements somewhat lower than the past several years.


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3001 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

Here's what capacity looks like for the week of July 22nd departing both airports:

8,644 PIA
5,454 BMI


User currently offlineportcolumbus From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

Having lived in Champaign, unless someone else was paying, BMI was the airport of choice. Generally lower fares and people despised the $5/day parking at CMI.

User currently offlinepowercube From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5878 times:

Quoting portcolumbus (Reply 8):

Having lived in Champaign, unless someone else was paying, BMI was the airport of choice. Generally lower fares and people despised the $5/day parking at CMI.

This too, the fares out of CMI are quite a bit higher- and if you get bumped from AA- they'll just put you on a taxi to BMI anyway.


User currently offlinekbmiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

BMI pulls allot of folks from both CMI and DEC (ADM, etc). We used to pull some CAT traffic from PIA, but losing Airtran and DL adding service from PIA to ATL, that won't happen anymore. Like other have said, PIA will probably go back into the lead in 2012 or 2013.

The surprising thing so far is that PIA hasn't seemed to take advantage of Airtran leaving. BMI has added service to orlando on BOTH Allegiant and Frontier (although I doubt both can last). In addition, Frontier has added 4 times weekly service to DEN, which is apparently doing well. DL pretty much now owns BMI now with 7 to 9 flights a day to 3 destinations, with AA just having 4 flights a day. It will be interesting to see if Frontier can do well here.

PIA, on the other hand, has added 3x service to ATL on CRJ's (BMI gets mostly CR7's, with occasional CRJ's and CR9's), although this seemed to be in the works before the FL announcement. I think the UA PIA-DEN may have increased some capacity also, but otherwise, they haven't gained much. Both AA and UA seem to do well at PIA, while DL and Allegiant seem to struggle a little.

CMI is only AA to ORD and DFW. They get a little more capacity than they should since they RON 4 planes for overnight maintinance. With the AA monopoly, prices can be pretty high.

SPI really doesn't have too much draw, and is too close to STL. I think the twice daily AA flights to DFW are doing ok though, and the UA flights to SPI seem to be doing ok.


User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1041 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

I remember working a few weekends in SPI back in my days @ Lakes.. we had 8 flights a day to O'Hare on a mix of Brasilias and 1900s, along with 4 a day to Meigs (sometimes 2 a day on the weekend).... and we also had TWE with shuttle to St. Louis


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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2012 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 7):
Here's what capacity looks like for the week of July 22nd departing both airports:

8,644 PIA
5,454 BMI

AirTran was THE reason for BMI's success vs PIA, CMI, SPI, and DEC. Low fares made the 40-60 drive attractive. Now that AirTran is gone, BMI will struggle.

AirTran's low fares also drove MLI's success, but the Quad Cities has a lot more traffic than Bloomington Normal. Go back to the days of regulation, and BMI had two or three flights a day to ORD and STL and that was it, where as PIA and CMI had ten or more.


User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 7):

8,644 PIA
5,454 BMI

Can anyone see what those numbers were last month (or last July), for comparison?

BMI's numbers over the next year are going to be bloody over the next year. FL made up about 40% of their market share, DL made up about the same. With FL gone and DL cutting back significantly, thing aren't going to be pretty. AA hasn't made any moves (adding to CMI, PIA, or BMI) on this shakeup yet, which I think is kind of surprising (they added 2x at MLI).

I think it would help out all of the central Illinois airports if we'd just cut the cord on DEC. EAS is a huge waste of money when they "essential" airport is 47 miles from CMI, 56 miles from BMI, and 44 miles from SPI. (Sorry, I know that's for another thread and has been discussed to death.)

I'm interested to watch what G4 does here. I'd imagine they aren't exactly thrilled that BMI went and gave F9 cash to start service, I know they weren't happy in ICT with FL. On the same page, G4 was not able to maintain CMI or SPI service, and their SFB service from PIA wasn't profitable.

I'm also interested to watch what happens with F9. Some posters here are indicating that they are on death's door. I don't think they are there right now, but I do see them as one of the weaker carriers. Further, It'd be interesting to see the data, but I'd bet a large chunk of people were taking flights to the southeast from BMI, now, unless you are going to Orlando, that's much more difficult. I wonder how much BMI bled to PIA for people flying to LAS and AZA. G4 used to run those routes almost daily at times.


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5293 times:

Interesting discussion. I pretty much agree with everyone's points about PIA likely overtaking BMI as the dominant Central Illinois airport.

One thing I'll add is that PIA's got an advantage over BMI in that locally-based Caterpillar is generating a rather large (and growing) volume of international business travelers for AA, DL and UA. I also suspect that Caterpillar is making more use of PIA now that the new terminal is open. After attending the early January 2011 open house, I realized how much of an embarrassment the old one was.

It should be mentioned that in 1st Quarter 2012, PIA saw a 10 percent increase in pax. This was before DL resumed 3x daily PIA-ATL (April 9), before UA added a 2nd daily PIA-DEN flight (June 2) and before G4 adds twice-weekly PIA-PGD on June 28. So should present capacity hold the rest of the year, I'd say we could break 2008's record 565,000 pax.

On a related note, PIA saw a 22 percent increase in air cargo volume the 1st Quarter as well (business had been declining). FedEx flies 727-200C MEM-PIA in early morning and PIA-MEM in late evening. Some evenings, an MSN-MEM flight will stop at PIA. UPS runs SDF-PIA-RFD in the pre-dawn hours and RFD-PIA-SDF in late evening using an A-300-600F, 757-200C or (like last night) a 767-300C. Most weekdays, Mountain Air Cargo runs an ATR-42-300 for FedEx on an evening IND-PIA-IND turnaround.

[Edited 2012-06-14 07:25:42]

[Edited 2012-06-14 07:27:16]

User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10656 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Thread starter):
SPI has the state capita

Doesn't mean much. Ex-gov Blago lived and worked in Chicago and only went to Springfield to work with the legislature.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5172 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 15):
Doesn't mean much. Ex-gov Blago lived and worked in Chicago and only went to Springfield to work with the legislature.

Don't you mean "work the legislature"?  

Most of the important state business takes place in the State of Illinois office tower in Chicago. Springfield is state capital mostly in name only. If it weren't for official travel, there'd really be no need for SPI.


User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 14):
After attending the early January 2011 open house, I realized how much of an embarrassment the old one was.

You can say that again, I had to go pick up a friend there in 2005/2006 and felt like I was thrown back into the 1960s! I think the old MLI terminal (the one that looked like it was temporarily parked there one day) was better looking than that one.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 14):
G4 adds twice-weekly PIA-PGD on June 28

This is seasonal, but I did notice they brought it back for the winter season too. They must be pretty happy with the results so far. There are a lot of people from the midwest who visit people in the Tampa area and south of there. I could see this expanding quite a bit.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 14):
UA added a 2nd daily PIA-DEN flight (June 2)

This will be interesting. If F9 can make BMI work, I think this flight will stick and PIA will be helped out by F9 in BMI for a few reasons:
A: UA will match fares and provide better connecting opportunities and flight times from PIA.
B: A lot of consumers using travel sites could care less what airline they end up on, as long as it's cheap.
C: UA has a long history in PIA, and I'd imagine a fairly large (for its size) frequent flyer customer base.


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 17):
You can say that again, I had to go pick up a friend there in 2005/2006 and felt like I was thrown back into the 1960s! I think the old MLI terminal (the one that looked like it was temporarily parked there one day) was better looking than that one.

If you're talking about the 1985 pre-fab terminal, I know what you mean. At least that one had a somewhat modern appearance. 

PIA's old terminal concourse did receive some re-modeling (and two extensions) in the late 1990s, and again in the early 2000s, offering a more welcoming appearance than the main building.

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 17):
This is seasonal, but I did notice they brought it back for the winter season too. They must be pretty happy with the results so far. There are a lot of people from the midwest who visit people in the Tampa area and south of there. I could see this expanding quite a bit.

Two or three months before the announcement was made, PIA's airport director hinted G4 would start this service. He said Central Illinois sends "a colony" of people to the Fort Myers area every year. I'd say G4 will be pleased with the loads they get.

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 17):
This will be interesting. If F9 can make BMI work, I think this flight will stick and PIA will be helped out by F9 in BMI for a few reasons:
A: UA will match fares and provide better connecting opportunities and flight times from PIA.
B: A lot of consumers using travel sites could care less what airline they end up on, as long as it's cheap.
C: UA has a long history in PIA, and I'd imagine a fairly large (for its size) frequent flyer customer base.

While it's possible UA had intended to go from 1x to 2x daily flights on this route regardless, their announcement came after F9's interest in BMI became public. But traditionally, UA had 2x service, from mainline to regional service (April 1984 to April 2003). So if F9 retrenches and drops BMI, 2x daily PIA-DEN should remain.

[Edited 2012-06-14 10:24:05]

[Edited 2012-06-14 10:25:49]

User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10656 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 16):

Most of the important state business takes place in the State of Illinois office tower in Chicago. Springfield is state capital mostly in name only. If it weren't for official travel, there'd really be no need for SPI.

And, therein lies the problem, especially for the rest of the population, "downstate" (everywhere except Cook County & Chicago).




Ok.....back to the topic at hand



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 14):
I'd say we could break 2008's record 565,000 pax.

Did PIA finally break the 1978 record????


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

The big challenge for PIA, CMI and SPI will be what type of airservice do they retain after 50 seat jets go away?

User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 20):
Did PIA finally break the 1978 record????

Yep...in 2008. PIA came close in 2005 (about 520,000 pax) and finally beat 1978's 550,000 in 2008.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 21):
The big challenge for PIA, CMI and SPI will be what type of airservice do they retain after 50 seat jets go away?

I'd include BMI in that challenge...and I'd contend that PIA is in a better position than the others. That's because AA, DL and UA regional partners offer 21 weekday departures (G4 adds 1 to 3 depending on the day). Compare that to BMI, where AA and DL by mid-August will be down to 10 weekday departures (plus G4 and F9 add 1-2 depending on the day).


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 22):
Yep...in 2008. PIA came close in 2005 (about 520,000 pax) and finally beat 1978's 550,000 in 2008.

Ahhh...1978...The year of CO 72S to ORD and MCI with continuing service to LAX. Along with OZ nonstop or same plane to ATL, DEN, MSP, ORD, STL, DTW, LGA, IAD, MKE plua SPI, MLI, SUX, CID, DSM, CMI, ALO.


I was reading an old CAB route case from 1978 (on the eve of deregulation). OZ and NW were fighting it out in court in MLI over PIA-ATL route authority. OZ wanted to fly DSM-PIA-ATL and NW wanted to fly MSP-PIA-ATL-TPA-MIA. Eventually OZ won the route case. But the NW attorneys put the OZ analyst who did the route forecast on the stand and made him defend his profitability forecast.


User currently offlinemattya9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

Having been around both PIA and BMI I think it was safe to say in the past Caterpillar/business travelers made or broke PIA's numbers while leisure travelers have made or broke BMI. Now with AirTran gone from BMI and Caterpillar making lots of money again it'll be interesting to see what happens. I think it'll be PIA's turn to lead in the pax category for a few years to come since BMI held that status for the last 2 or 3 years. Seems to be the trend; one airport will lead the way then the other makes a move or two and then reclaims the top spot. *Sighs* When is that 'Central' Illinois airport going to be built (near Lincoln) that will serve ALL the airports?  


"You can do anything once."
25 FlyPeoria : With service like that, no wonder PIA's record would stand for three decades! Interesting that CO actually began reducing service a year after it ent
26 Post contains images FlyPeoria : I'd say if Central Illinois could support a single regional airport, it would be BMI. I believe the terminal there could handle all BMI/CMI/PIA/SPI s
27 Post contains links MLI717fan : Wow, I never realized Peoria had that type of service.... MLI has a picture on their facebook page with a UA 733, a UA 732, a TW DC9, and a bunch of
28 Post contains images FlyPeoria : PIA wasn't too happy with its status as the largest city in the country served by just one airline. Except for a few intrastate air taxi services in
29 mattya9 : I think the biggest thing will be what airlines do with 50-seat RJ's (as someone commented on earlier). G4 must be licking their chops with talk abou
30 FlyPeoria : That would have been neat had BMI gotten a mainline jet (an ex-NW 319 perhaps?). I'm surprised DL didn't put an E70 in that market, like they did MLI
31 MLI717fan : In all honesty. MLI, PIA, BMI, CMI, SPI to ORD flights would make a lot more sense on props. Those flights are so short, the FAs don't even have time
32 bobloblaw : MLI had pretty good UA service. I have a 1973 OAG and it has UA 737-200/727-100 to ORD 5x daily plus 2 OZ, 1 FH227 and one D9S. Two other FH227s made
33 bobloblaw : I'd be curious to know what TWA flew to PIA until 1960. Was it the Martin 404? I know AA flew STL-SPI-PIA-MDW with the Convair 240. When AA dropped th
34 Beardown91737 : OO served bottled water and cookies on a ONT-LAX leg.
35 BMI727 : Of course it also makes a lot of sense in a car too. Same thing going to Indianapolis or St. Louis.
36 FlyPeoria : Boy was it! I was 12 years old then at the time. It was exciting to keep hearing of new airline service. Cheap oil prices and new competition really
37 milesrich : By 1975, the LAX-OMA-MLI flight no longer went on to ORD but turned in MLI and was a 727-222. The two OZ flights to Chicago that made a stop, OZ 871
38 bobloblaw : Maybe by 75, but my OAG is Feb 73 and there is one nonstop and one onestop to DEN. What would they have flown to PIA is 1965? There was no really app
39 FlyPeoria : That's a good question. Restoration of TWA service may have been based on the possibility CAB might order the airline to resume PIA service. I'd say
40 Post contains images Viscount724 : Looks like TWA dropped PIA sometime between 1959 and 1960. From the TW timetables on the timetableimages.com site, the last one showing any PIA servi
41 FlyPeoria : That is odd. The Peoria Journal Star covered TWA's exit, first mentioning May 16, 1959 the airline's plans to withdraw from the PIA-K. C. market (whi
42 Viscount724 : That could well be the case as the only available timetables from 1959 and 1960 are January 12, 1959 and April 24, 1960. PIA still had service as men
43 bobloblaw : Anyone know when: AA dropped PIA and SPI? OZ dropped BMI?
44 FlyPeoria : AA flew Fokker 100's PIA-ORD from December 4, 1991* to January 5, 1994; SPI-ORD ran December 2, 1991 until January 5, 1994. Both started and ended wi
45 bobloblaw : Oops Im sorry. I meant the first time AA served PIA when they flew a CVR-240 from MDW-PIA-SPI-STL.
46 FlyPeoria : First AA switched from MDW to ORD on the day TWA dropped PIA - April 24, 1960. I believe the route was dropped on August 13, 1962. I'm 100% sure on t
47 stlgph : Being from central Illinois, and going back to the original roots of this thread, I can tell you that a lot of passengers/people would choose Blooming
48 FlyPeoria : Peoria adopted free parking in August 2000. I believe Springfield did the same shortly afterward.
49 mayor : Even with gas at $3+ per gallon?
50 portcolumbus : Yup. Saw the same thing when I lived there, even with $4+ gas at the time.
51 mayor : I don't want to say that those people aren't bright, but they certainly aren't doing the math.
52 MLI717fan : The same thing happens when people drive up to ORD/MDW to save $50 off of the plane ticket, but are willing to pay for 300 miles worth of gas, a hote
53 planespotting : For a day trip yes, but not if you're flying onto a different destination. Yeah, I have a similiarly-dated timetable with that info as well. It's fun
54 FlyPeoria : PIA had same-plane service to LAX in 1977-1981 with CO (via MCI until 1979, then DEN). Also, AccessAir offered DSM, MLI and PIA same-plane LAX servic
55 stlgph : Didn't matter - by then BMI was off and running as the 'airport of choice' for most people. Champaign's management saw that Peoria offering free park
56 planespotting : Yep - DSM also had a nonstop to LAX on a CR7 from UA for a shortwhile in 2008, but it coincided with the financial crisis and I think was given a shu
57 FlyPeoria : I'm thinking Skyway flew there briefly in 1992 as part of a PIA-CMI-DTW. Skyway had just dropped BMI when Mesaba entered that market from DTW.
58 stlgph : The timeframe doesn't sound too far off, although I could have sworn that it was Champaign to Milwaukee. hrmmm.
59 knope2001 : Skyway's (relatively brief) flights from central Illinois were to Detroit only. Mesa flew Skyway YX* in the 1989-1994 period and tried a whole host of
60 Post contains links milesrich : I think the flights were 227 Westbound and 336 eastbound, (I don't have a circa 1973 OAG or UA Timetable, but the flights operated ORD-CID-DSM-LAX. I
61 Post contains links KarlB737 : A tidbit in the local paper today: Courtesy: The Pantagraph Passenger Traffic For CIRA's New Airlines Encouraging, But Far From AirTran's Use http://w
62 mattya9 : While the numbers look encouraging nothing (in the near future anyway) is going to replace what AirTran did for BMI. I think it's safe to say their an
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