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United Ups The Baggage War: $100 For 2nd Bag Intl  
User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1914 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 11147 times:

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2012/0...d-airlines-raises-bag-fees-to-100/

You have got to be kidding me!

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User currently offlineazstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 11061 times:

Some international fares are incredibly low. You can fly from LAX to SYD for as little as 205.00 each way. IAH to LHR for 175.00 each way. A big problem for airlines is that some countries and/or overseas airports charge HUGE taxes or fees. Australia is almost $500.00 (yes, regardless of the fare charged by the airlines) and Great Britain is almost as much. So, on a 400.00 fare, the cost of the ticket is pushed to almost $1000.00 with additional taxes and fees. Airlines are not making huge amounts of money on most fares, but the public doesn't realize, or care. They just think they're getting ripped off.

User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1914 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 10989 times:

Quoting azstar (Reply 1):
They just think they're getting ripped off.

For $100 to haul a bag from NYC to LHR, I'd say that's being ripped off!


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 10895 times:

Quoting azstar (Reply 1):
Airlines are not making huge amounts of money on most fares

They could always raise them if they're having trouble making money.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDLD9S From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 10811 times:

Quoting azstar (Reply 1):
A big problem for airlines is that some countries and/or overseas airports charge HUGE taxes or fees. Australia is almost $500.00 (yes, regardless of the fare charged by the airlines) and Great Britain is almost as much. So, on a 400.00 fare, the cost of the ticket is pushed to almost $1000.00 with additional taxes and fees.

Sorry, but most of that "tax" is really fuel surcharges that go directly to the airline just like the base fare... Proper taxes, security fees and surcharges are more in the $75-$150 range...



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User currently offlinemaxamuus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 10754 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 2):

For $100 to haul a bag from NYC to LHR, I'd say that's being ripped off!

Wonder what Fedex charges for a 50 lbs. package same day service from NYC to LHR ?


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 10710 times:

Quoting maxamuus (Reply 5):
Wonder what Fedex charges for a 50 lbs. package same day service from NYC to LHR ?

I think we would easily be talking four digits for same-day service. That hundred bucks isn't so bad!


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 10693 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
They could always raise them if they're having trouble making money.

Therein lies a big part of their problem. I'm over simplifying, I know, but they have been under pricing themselves for so long, they've deminished the percieved value of the product.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 10655 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 2):
For $100 to haul a bag from NYC to LHR, I'd say that's being ripped off!

I checked UA for SFO-NRT (and for practicality sake, PHX-NRT with a layover) and it's $2,000. Round trip. Outrageous to have to pay that much more for international bags.



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User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 10621 times:

Here is the DL policy for NA to Europe:
80 USD/CAD or 56 EUR² if checked in online
100 USD/CAD or 70 EUR² at the airport

So, the UA policy matches the DL policy in conceptual terms.

I do not see this as outrageous. If people don't want to pay it there are MANY ways to get around this fee and some do include for those that do not travel that much.

edit: for pointing out the DL policy is for 2nd bag

[Edited 2012-06-13 20:10:12]

User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 10096 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this only applies to certain African countries...unless I'm somehow reading this wrong.

http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/travel/Pages/CheckedBaggage.aspx

Quote:
**For tickets purchased on or after June 1, 2012, for travel on or after June 1, 2012, a second bag service charge of $100 applies for travel between North America, South America, Europe, the Middle East and Africa to/from the following countries in Africa: Algeria, Botswana, Egypt, Libya, Madagascar, Malawi, Morocco, Mozambique, Nambia, Tunisia, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.

The bolding is mine.

Edit: Yeah, I think I'm reading it wrong. The wording isn't very clear. Good thing I'm *G I guess..

[Edited 2012-06-14 02:22:54]

[Edited 2012-06-14 02:23:23]

User currently offlinetrav110 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10035 times:

Quoting maxamuus (Reply 5):
Wonder what Fedex charges for a 50 lbs. package same day service from NYC to LHR ?
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):
I think we would easily be talking four digits for same-day service. That hundred bucks isn't so bad!

Just calculated it on Fedex, to get a 50 lb suitcase from NYC to LHR the fastest option would be leaving Friday and arriving Monday, and that's $1544. Not even a same day option available.


User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9814 times:

This charge is for the second bag--not the first. Why is it so ridiculous to charge for the second piece???

User currently offlinekalvado From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 9797 times:

Quoting trav110 (Reply 11):

Just calculated it on Fedex, to get a 50 lb suitcase from NYC to LHR the fastest option would be leaving Friday and arriving Monday, and that's $1544. Not even a same day option available.

with guaranteed delivery to the door and money back in case of 10 minutes delay.
Once airlines have anything remotely similar in CoC, then comparison would become valid.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8376 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 9580 times:

Quoting kalvado (Reply 13):
with guaranteed delivery to the door and money back in case of 10 minutes delay.
Once airlines have anything remotely similar in CoC, then comparison would become valid.

There's more to it. No one decides last minute that they need a second bag. It's people who travel on vacation that usually need a second bag and those people don't need last minute, same day delivery. I find $100 to be a rip-off considering they're already ripping me off with the fuel surcharge on top of the fare which includes fuel costs but i think pax are learning to pack lighter as a result of these baggage fees. Where I see a problem is traveling with sports equipment like skis and golf clubs which in many cases it's considered a second bag. I'm not a golfer but for $100 it's a lot cheaper to rent skis for the week than to carry my own.


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7220 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 9421 times:

Quoting azstar (Reply 1):
A big problem for airlines is that some countries and/or overseas airports charge HUGE taxes or fees. Australia is almost $500.00 (yes, regardless of the fare charged by the airlines) and Great Britain is almost as much.

I would expect the airlines also make money on the taxes, after all, they do not remit those taxes to the government immediately after they collect them. Smart companies probably deposit those funds in high interest daily accounts and probably remit to the government on a monthly basis minus the interest, heck I would not be shocked to know that some governments actually pay the airlines a fee for "collecting their taxes"

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
They could always raise them if they're having trouble making money.

Agree, let the blame fall where it should rather than join the movement to "hide" the problem.

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 2):
For $100 to haul a bag from NYC to LHR, I'd say that's being ripped off!

FedEx, DHL and others should apply to the airports to obtain space close to the airline counters like the guys who shrink wrap your bags, I'm certain with the added volume these companies can beat the airline prices, especially since they are flying older more gas guzziling a/c, flying on their own schedule, and charging premiums prices to companies who want products delivered overnight. So just as the same a/c has a first class and Y, each flight would be carrying priority bags / packages as well as those that were given to them two days earlier.

Shipping pax bags is already a new business, there are some who have already started, until somone big like DHL or FedEx does the same.........


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 9383 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 14):
I find $100 to be a rip-off considering they're already ripping me off with the fuel surcharge on top of the fare which includes fuel costs but i think pax are learning to pack lighter as a result of these baggage fees.

Why is it a ripoff to charge for a 2nd bag? I never bring a 2nd bag with me on any flight, so why should my ticket price cover the cost of lifting your 50 lb suitcase off the ground? Your bag adds weight, that weight makes the plane heavier, which means more fuel has to be burned to get from point A to point B. If it already costs $2000 to move a 200 lb person, $100 for an extra 50 lb (in addition to how ever much carry-on and your first bag) does not seem at all unreasonable to me. If you don't want to pay it, learn to travel with less stuff.


User currently offlinehohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9342 times:

Not many check 2nd bags since the fee was high at $70. DL and UA decided that they will not lose any more business by raising it to $100 as those who opt to check for second bag are going to pay $30 more anyway.

But it is a problem for people buying tickets in Africa, Middle East or India, as many buy from travel agents who mistakenly or delibrately tell them that 2 bags are allowed to US (since some airlines do and some dont) and get into shouting matches at the airport with the staff.


User currently offlinekalvado From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9341 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 16):
If it already costs $2000 to move a 200 lb person, $100 for an extra 50 lb (in addition to how ever much carry-on and your first bag) does not seem at all unreasonable to me.

Those flying non-rev should be royally pissed off by such approach.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9324 times:

Quoting kalvado (Reply 18):
Those flying non-rev should be royally pissed off by such approach.

Non-rev benefits have nothing to do with this discussion.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3376 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 12):

This charge is for the second bag--not the first. Why is it so ridiculous to charge for the second piece???

Because when you are flying long haul you may be going for a longer period of time and warrant 2 bags. Also most airlines on international long haul allow 2 bags. Many times I have been charged for a heavy first bag and I could have simply walked over to the travel shop and bought a duffel bag for $10 and checked the second bag free of charge.

Question now does this apply on a points ticket without *A status in Y and when does this take effect?



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User currently offlinekalvado From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8727 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 19):

Non-rev benefits have nothing to do with this discussion.
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 16):
If it already costs $2000 to move a 200 lb person, $100 for an extra 50 lb (in addition to how ever much carry-on and your first bag) does not seem at all unreasonable to me.

You are contradicting yourself. Common argument towards non-rev is that "the seat would be empty otherwise, so airline doesn't loose anything". Similar argument could apply here - that hold space would be empty otherwise.
Incremental cost of fuel for flying a person trans-atlantic is around $20, bag - $5; ground handling of a bag is probably same $5 at most.
(edit:grammar)

[Edited 2012-06-14 07:46:46]

User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1676 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8698 times:

Quoting DLD9S (Reply 4):
Sorry, but most of that "tax" is really fuel surcharges that go directly to the airline just like the base fare... Proper taxes, security fees and surcharges are more in the $75-$150 range...


EWR-LHR
U.S. Federal Transportation Tax $16.70
U.S. Security Service Fee $2.50

LHR-EWR
U.S. Federal Transportation Tax $16.70
U.S. Customs User Fee $5.50
U.S. Immigration User Fee $7.00
U.S. APHIS User Fee $5.00
U.K. Air Passenger Duty $100.67
U.K . Passenger Service Charge $53.41

It's $19.20 on the way out and $188.28 on the way back for a total of $207.48

Quoting azstar (Reply 1):
Australia is almost $500.00 (yes, regardless of the fare charged by the airlines)

You must be including fuel surcharge or something which is not a government item.

LAX-SYD
U.S. Federal Transportation Tax $16.70
U.S. Security Service Fee $2.50
Australia Passenger Service Charge $25.16

SYD-LAX
U.S. Federal Transportation Tax $16.70
U.S. Customs User Fee $5.50
U.S. Immigration User Fee $7.00
U.S. APHIS User Fee $5.00
Australia Passenger Movement Charge $46.36
Australia Passenger Service Charge $25.16

Totals to $150.08


User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1086 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8563 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 20):
Because when you are flying long haul you may be going for a longer period of time and warrant 2 bags. Also most airlines on international long haul allow 2 bags. Many times I have been charged for a heavy first bag and I could have simply walked over to the travel shop and bought a duffel bag for $10 and checked the second bag free of charge.

That's because you people carry everything you can, more than what you really needed.
Solution? easy, pack what is really needed!!
Reuse a few sweaters and limit yourself to maximum of two fancy outerwear when travel to colder climate.
It's not like everyone is going to Milan fashion week.
And when you go to warmer climate you carry lighter stuff, hence more costume/outfit to carry with.
No need to throw your junk and carry them with you. It's a waste of energy too!
More fuel burn due to junk items being carried with you.



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 8539 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 16):
I never bring a 2nd bag with me on any flight, so why should my ticket price cover the cost of lifting your 50 lb suitcase off the ground?

I believe we have reached the point where airlines are making so much off of baggage fees that they can afford to keep base fares lower than they otherwise would. So who is really subsidizing whom?

-Mir



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25 RDH3E : Airlines waive baggage fees for so many customers that they are still making a loss. I've studied it in depth, baggage fees are only charged on somet
26 ordjoe : To fedex a 50lb package from Chicago to london is $525 USD and that will take 5 days, so 100 for real time delivery is not too bad in comparision. In
27 boeing773W : It is so sad to see what American airlines are doing. I understand that the American market is competitive and airlines are really struggling but Euro
28 sirloin : My question to all of those who say that they don't feel they should be subsidizing those of us who check bags would be the following: assuming it is
29 DocLightning : As I've said before, the airlines are all but begging congress to start passing legislation banning this practice. It already happened with ground del
30 ual777uk : Unless I am going to the middle of the jungle, in which case I would not carry a lot anyway I just dont get why people need to check in a second bag a
31 HPRamper : The same-day service is generally always an option - you just have to go through different channels to obtain it. It is not offered on the website no
32 cmf : 100 USD for a 23 kg bag is a rip off when they sell a ticked covering a passenger weighting somewhere between 40 and 100+ kg plus one bag at 23kg + a
33 tugger : Your example is erroneous. Luggage does not require safety equipment and personal care (of some level), it does not require a seat and entertainment
34 AWACSooner : So what am I going to do when my wife and I have to pack luggage because we are moving from the US to Germany in January? I guess that people leaving
35 AWACSooner : THIS!!! Basically, this is the shining example of the airlines having a knee-jerk reaction because they couldn't manage their businesses correctly fo
36 LAXdude1023 : No one is forcing you to do anything. If you dont want to pay the price, dont pack the bag. Besides, if your moving to Germany for anything work rela
37 imag : But what about the coming back part? I always fly with minimal luggage to the US, wash stuff on the go, but generally bring stuff back. Not high valu
38 odwyerpw : Very simply put! We travel Mexico to New York serveral times a year, often staying in New York for upwards of 6 to 8 weeks. We used to drive it. The
39 RDH3E : I've already posted this once, but bags as a business lose money. Only 30% of bags are even charged a baggage fee, so no baggage fees are not subsidi
40 FlyingSicilian : yes he will fill it out on his travel voucher (though many airlines don't charge those on official orders), because if he is moving to Geilenkirchen
41 ual777uk : Hey, find me a Brit that in the past has not taken an extra bag and stuffed it full of clothes etc in the past and thown it all in the hold..........
42 jmbweeboy : Could not agree more! Let's remember, just another small step on the way to "Air Amtrak"! For what it is worth, it will help destroy the air/sea busi
43 AADC10 : UA elites and *A Gold probably get the 2nd bag free. Passengers, particularly the non-elites (aka Kettles) book on price. Fares are dictated by market
44 yellowtail : they do here in BZE. It is a common practice, especially in smaller countries.
45 irelayer : The "second bag" fee for international just seems like gouging unprepared travelers. The point is they can get away with it, just like Spirit can get
46 atnight : I have to say that those who think this practice is OK, or "good" or "about time", because many people carry "so much junk", should really think twice
47 AWACSooner : This is the equivalent of throwing the frog into boiling water vs. slow boiling the frog...
48 einsteinboricua : But what if it's a necessity to travel with more stuff? I'd rather pack more and not need it than pack little and need more. I remember when I went t
49 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Now we know what the cargo uplift of widebodies is for. The oh so profitable 2nd international bag. For myself, I wouldn't be happy. But as a cheap fl
50 Post contains images rotating14 : These bag fees are expensive if its sensitive to your finances. A man walks by and sees a watch in a glass case for $3,500 and says its way more than
51 Cruiser : I only get upset when an airline charges for the first bag. The second one is a choice, but if you are really going on any sort of trip (other than fo
52 par13del : I see it being practical for families returning from vacations where you usually purchase additional items which require extra bags, and since you ar
53 OB1504 : Actually, Amtrak provides customers with two free carry-on bags and three free checked bags. The seating in coach on long-distance trains is comparab
54 Post contains images lightsaber : Do not get me started on carryone fees either. Then again, I *try* to book on airlines where one bag is included. I so wish the search engines based
55 poLot : BA, AF, LH, and LX don't allow for a free second checked bag unless you pay full fare economy (on some airlines), are an elite member. or on certain i
56 tugger : Actually, if anything, my statement could fail because nowadays almost all bags have some kind of "fee" attached to them when you get right down to i
57 poLot : They don't have to, most FF statuses allow at least one free checked bag on domestic flights with higher statues allowing for more on international f
58 tugger : Yes, for now. What I am saying is that airlines will change this (well US airlines). And to many it will be OK because, well, aren't you already gett
59 Post contains images HPRamper : I've done it. Especially if you are looking at your additional items equating to a third bag or more, yeah I'll drop it off with FX Ground and it'll
60 toobz : Oh Gawd..now you guys got me commenting... The way i see it is, if you need more than a carryone and a checked bag, then pay the $100!! A carryon bag
61 PHX787 : When I travel to Japan, I am in Japan for a long time, and require a lot of stuff to be taken over there. I needed 2 bags last time and one of my bag
62 AWACSooner : Because the airlines driven into that arena by their own stupidity won't have that blanket of Ch 11 and thus go to Ch 7...see ya! Quoting Josh32121 (
63 softrally : IMHO, charging $100 for a second bag is okay. It's not charging for the first checked bag. In addition to that, UA has cheap fares compared to many ot
64 Post contains images WarmNuts : This is kind of like comparing apples to enemas. Unless, of course, UAL is going to pick up my 50-lb. "package" at my front door step, chauffeur it t
65 Josh32121 : Put it in the first bag, for which there is no charge. Or buy travel-size containers and transfer less than 100 mL of the various products you intend
66 Post contains images lightsaber : I personally wouldn't care about bag fees (or other fees) if I could set up my Orbitz/Kayak/Travelocity or any other web airfare search preset to my p
67 slcdeltarumd11 : The first bag fee is the one I think we have a right to complain about. Forcing carry ons is slowing everything down and still weight for the airlines
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