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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Last year, Spirit had two daily flights (a319s) from LGA to MYR and three in th esummer, two of which being a320s. This year, they never returned the a320 to the route, nor did they reinstate the third daily flight. What is their strategy? I see that now there is a third daily flight on their website, but it goes through ORD. Also, it cannot be that they are not filling the flights. The last few times I've flown this route, they have been overbooked by at least five passengers (Which is the main cause for most of the delays). What is their strategy for this route? They have jacked up their prices and cut capacity by about 200 passengers, possibly thinking that, if there is a demand, people woudl pay more? Anybody have any insight?

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User currently offlineBoeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Hm, this is strange. I thought there would be a rather large amount of New Yorkers trying to escape to the great Grand Strand. It is a wonderful place, and not over priced like other well known vacation spots. But anyways

Whenever I fly through MYR NK's gates always seems full of passengers, I usually can not find a seat just scanning the area.

Is NK the largest operator out of MYR? I always hear "Spirit Airlines is pleased/welcomed to announce flight ____ has arrived/is going to start boarding _____ from ____"



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 1):
Whenever I fly through MYR NK's gates always seems full of passengers, I usually can not find a seat just scanning the area.

That's what confuses me too!

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 1):
Hm, this is strange. I thought there would be a rather large amount of New Yorkers trying to escape to the great Grand Strand. It is a wonderful place, and not over priced like other well known vacation spots

That's why we bought a place there and not Florida.

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 1):
Is NK the largest operator out of MYR?

Yupp. They have 13 non-stop destinations from MYR (Granted about 8 or 9 of them are seasonal and 5 or 6 of THEM are not daily), but still impressive.


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2703 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

I think this year it has to do more with lack of aircraft available ..... they have actually been subcontracting some of their flying to someone else (IIRC, they have a 737-400 running some of the FLL-LGA runs the past week)..


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 3):
I think this year it has to do more with lack of aircraft available ..... they have actually been subcontracting some of their flying to someone else (IIRC, they have a 737-400 running some of the FLL-LGA runs the past week)..

Ooh. Are they taking delivery of any new aircraft in the near future? They do have lots of 320s on order.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 3):
(IIRC, they have a 737-400 running some of the FLL-LGA runs the past week)..

Also, you are right about that

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...1/history/20120614/1930Z/KLGA/KFLL

Didn't they have an Omni Air 757 running these flights a few weeks ago?


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Wow, that's bizarre. On the other hand, since the A320 features pre-reclined seats for your convenience and a luxurious 28" of seat pitch, perhaps most passengers didn't mind the change.

The last aircraft to arrive on the property was N615NK (ln 5159), which was ferried TLS-YYR-FLL on Tuesday. The last aircraft to enter revenue service was N614NK (ln 5132) on June 5th.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 6):
Wow, that's bizarre. On the other hand, since the A320 features pre-reclined seats for your convenience and a luxurious 28" of seat pitch, perhaps most passengers didn't mind the change.

LOL I wouldn't


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2902 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 3):
(IIRC, they have a 737-400 running some of the FLL-LGA runs the past week)

Ah... I saw that in the schedule for July and thought it was a mistake. I assumed that it was supposed to be one of the A321s.

Who is operating it? Direct Air?



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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2703 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 8):
Who is operating it? Direct Air?

not sure, but DirectAir does not exist anymore I believe.... might be Miami Air running the flight for them.



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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
What is their strategy?

Throw darts at a board to determine routes and frequencies...then pull most of them after six months to a year.


User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 8):
Who is operating it? Direct Air?

Xtra Airways. Direct Air was a "virtual" airline that would charter other airlines to operate their flights on their behalf, they didn't have any of their own airplanes.


User currently offlinebeechtobus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Also keep in mind that they have only 11 weekday slots out of LGA and the addition of DFW used one of these.

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 10):
Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
What is their strategy?

Throw darts at a board to determine routes and frequencies...then pull most of them after six months to a year.

But this route has been around since they operated DC-9's.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2515 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 10):
Throw darts at a board to determine routes and frequencies...then pull most of them after six months to a year.

Pulling them if they're not making money makes perfect sense to me.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 13):
But this route has been around since they operated DC-9's.

   Spirit's been in the MYR market for a while, and this summer they're picking up some of the lift Direct Air provided before it collapsed.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 14):
   Spirit's been in the MYR market for a while, and this summer they're picking up some of the lift Direct Air provided before

Sowouldn't you think they would purposely focus on putting the larger aircraft on the route or adding the third daily flight? Even if with a chartered aircraft?


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 15):
Sowouldn't you think they would purposely focus on putting the larger aircraft on the route or adding the third daily flight? Even if with a chartered aircraft?

I would imagine that Spirit would want to keep use of chartered aircraft to an absolute minimum, since I doubt they're making much (if any) of a profit on those flights.

It's not like them to expand without first having the resources for it, so my guess is an unforeseen loss in availability of an aircraft. Either one went tech and it's something that's going to take a few weeks to repair, or perhaps one of the new aircraft was delayed either in delivery or in entrance to service.


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2703 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 16):
Either one went tech and it's something that's going to take a few weeks to repair, or perhaps one of the new aircraft was delayed either in delivery or in entrance to service.

588NK has gone tech in DTW for some reason (the reason Omni Air is flying the 757 for them right now), and I believe they have received 615NK recently but it is not on line yet..



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User currently offlinemark777300 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

My mother came up to visit late last month and used Spirit from FLL to LGA. one day before she was to go back, Spirit called her and asked if she would be willing to change her flight from a Sunday Afternoon to an early AM flight on a Monday from LGA in exchange for a free flight for another date. I got on the phone to talk to the customer service rep and asked why they were doing that? they said that they were going to substitute the usual 200 seat aircraft with a smaller 170 seater. I found it odd since I had thought that Spirit had replaced all of their A321s, but apparently they have 2 left in the fleet. I told her to take it. Hey, she got a free flight out of it! But this all makes sense now that they have a shortage of aircrafts to fill their schedule.

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Quoting mark777300 (Reply 18):
My mother came up to visit late last month and used Spirit from FLL to LGA. one day before she was to go back, Spirit called her and asked if she would be willing to change her flight from a Sunday Afternoon to an early AM flight on a Monday from LGA in exchange for a free flight for another date. I got on the phone to talk to the customer service rep and asked why they were doing that? they said that they were going to substitute the usual 200 seat aircraft with a smaller 170 seater. I found it odd since I had thought that Spirit had replaced all of their A321s, but apparently they have 2 left in the fleet. I told her to take it. Hey, she got a free flight out of it! But this all makes sense now that they have a shortage of aircrafts to fill their schedule.

This is the first time I have ever heard of NK having a VALID reason that they overbooked a flit. In the end of May, I was flying from LGA to MYR on n508nk and the first of our many delays was because they had overbooked the flight by one. After half an hour of bargaining with passengers to give up their seats, we we boarded. After everybody had taken their seat, it turned out that they had overbooked the flight by SEVEN people! Yhen, we had to wait an HOUR AND A HALF for a new flight mainfest (or at least htats what they told us). Bottom line, our 11:40am departure turned into sitting at the gate for 1hour and 50 minutes, and finally departing at 2:20pm! This is one of the many reasons I try to avoid NK as much as possible!


User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 19):
This is one of the many reasons I try to avoid NK as much as possible!

Most airlines purposely overbook flights.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Quoting poLot (Reply 20):

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 19):
This is one of the many reasons I try to avoid NK as much as possible!

Most airlines purposely overbook flights.


The overbooking isn't the problem. The delays and crappy condition of their planes is what I hate the most. The overbooking just tops it off.


User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2703 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 17):
588NK has gone tech in DTW for some reason

588NK seems to be running again and flying out of DCA this morning.. nice equip upgrade....



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 21):
The overbooking isn't the problem. The delays and crappy condition of their planes is what I hate the most. The overbooking just tops it off.

This begs the question: Why do you keep flying Spirit, then?

(never mind the fact that any airline can experience overbooking-related delays, and most airlines have at least some aircraft with decrepit cabins)


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23):
Why do you keep flying Spirit, then?

You try to find a flight from NYC to MYR with paying 500 on United. Spirit is the only one I can afford. It is the only airline I have have been on that my goal is to just get to my destination, and not to enjoy the flight.


25 beechtobus : So in other words if not for Spirit, you would not be able to afford to get from NY to MYR, and you bash them as if you wish they didnt exist. Makes
26 spiritair97 : I don't wish they didn't exist, I just wish that another carrier would challenge them a little. They are like a spoiled teenage girl. They haven't ha
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