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Why National Airports Terminals For Air Canada?  
User currently offlineaviacsa55 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7669 times:

I was looking up Wikipedia recently and I noticed that Air Canada is located at National terminals instead of the usual international terminals in the U.S. airports.

Examples of AC national terminal locations:
*ORD - Located at Terminal/Concourse 2E, instead of 5E
*CLT - Located a Concourse A, instead of D
*IAH - Located at Terminal A, instead of D

How come Air Canada's operations are located in U.S./National/Domestic terminals instead of the worldwide/international terminals, if it is a Canadian carrier, not a U.S. carrier? Could it be, partially, a U.S. carrier, to be located with its code-share partner, pre-clear customs, etc.? explain.

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User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1156 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

Quoting aviacsa55 (Thread starter):
pre-clear customs

That one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_border_preclearance
Wikipedia knows all.

Quote:
The following Canadian airports operate U.S. preclearance facilities:

Calgary International Airport
Edmonton International Airport
Halifax Stanfield International Airport
Montréal-Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport
Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport
Toronto Pearson International Airport
Vancouver International Airport
Winnipeg James Armstrong Richardson International Airport



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

As mentioned in the post above, flights from certain Canadian airports can pre-clear US immigration and customs in Canada, which means they effectively become domestic flights when they arrive in the US.

Air Canada makes extensive use of these facitilies to operate commuter aircraft to a sizeable number of smaller US airports (places like BDL, SYR, RIC, PVD, MDT, PWM, GRR and many more), giving them a direct link to the rest of the world via Canada. For connecting customers, clearing US immigration at YYZ is a breeze compared to fighting the masses at one of the major US hubs. The process is so easy that Air Canada has become my preferred carrier when I go to the US.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9178 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7358 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 2):
The process is so easy that Air Canada has become my preferred carrier when I go to the US.

Haven't done it for wa while, does one still need to go through Canadian immigration first and after that to the US counter?



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7234 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 3):
Haven't done it for wa while, does one still need to go through Canadian immigration first and after that to the US counter?

No, at Toronto you now bypass Canadian immigration via a sterile corridor directly to the US counters. There is a baggage reclaim belt for US connections at which you pick up your bags, then you go to passport control with your checked baggage. After that comes US customs, then a belt on which you can drop your checked luggage again, and then a transfer security screening. From there you go straight into the US departures area.

It's the same as the procedure as when connecting at any US airport, with the exception that you are actually on Canadian soil for the time being. The big advantage is that only a small percentage of passengers on a given flight to YYZ will be connecting to the US, so the queues at transit pre-clearance are very short or non-existent. Last time I was there, I waited about 30 seconds to be seen by an immigration officer. By comparison, last time I arrived at JFK, it was a 60 minute wait just to get to the desk! My last US arrival, at SFO, was a little better, but I still had to queue for 25 minutes.



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User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6888 times:

And strangely...AC moved to the new international terminal at ATL, creating a slightly less convenient arrival experience for most AC passengers since the international terminal has fewer and more distant ground transport options. I'm not sure of the reasoning behind that. I wonder whether it was voluntary on AC's part to move.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6738 times:

Because Canada is America's hat. Miami is more foreign than Toronto!  

But yeah it's mostly pre-clearance.



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User currently offlineJoePatroni From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6646 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 6):
Because Canada is America's hat. Miami is more foreign than Toronto!

According to this, not quite!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%2...by_international_passenger_traffic



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

Quoting JoePatroni (Reply 7):
According to this, not quite!

I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking at. My point is that Toronto feels much more familiar and "American" than Miami to me.



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6583 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 8):
I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking at. My point is that Toronto feels much more familiar and "American" than Miami to me.

Which is how I understood it. I'm not sure what that comment's about either.



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User currently offlineJoePatroni From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 8):
I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking at. My point is that Toronto feels much more familiar and "American" than Miami to me.

Sorry, I misinterpreted what you were saying. In that case, I agree with you!  



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

Quoting JoePatroni (Reply 10):
Sorry, I misinterpreted what you were saying. In that case, I agree with you!

Haha okay, glad we're in agreement!



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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

Truth is, there are many foreign carriers that depart from domestic US terminals (though they can only arrive in a terminal werner customs/immigration is available - with the exception of many AC and EI flights where pre-clearance exists).


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6410 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Reply 12):
Truth is, there are many foreign carriers that depart from domestic US terminals (though they can only arrive in a terminal werner customs/immigration is available - with the exception of many AC and EI flights where pre-clearance exists).

Not just AC and EI. Also all the U.S. carriers that operate transborder services from the 8 Canadian airports with pre-clearance services.

There are at least 9 other Canadian airports with transborder services but which lack pre-clearance. Passengers on those flights obviously have to clear U.S. formalities on arrival. I don't think AC operates any of those routes.

[Edited 2012-06-15 15:18:17]

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 8):
I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking at. My point is that Toronto feels much more familiar and "American" than Miami to me.

Toronto IS the most American city in Canada. it is really much more plugged into the US economy than any other Canadian city. A good generation ago, I would have said Calgary had that "honour", but no more.

Just as to some, Vamcouver feels more like an Asian city than a Canadian one. Check out the Fairwinds Mall in Richmond, south of the airport. Much signage in Mandarin only.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6379 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 14):
Toronto IS the most American city in Canada.

Haha I guess I didn't really go out on a limb with Toronto. How about Medicine Hat or St. Johns or some eskimo village out in the Yukon somewhere?

I guess my point is that Canada is right there, and it's, generally, entirely innocuous. To see a Canadian crew isn't quite the same as seeing a German or Russian or Chinese crew. Yeah, it's international but, come on, we're right next to each other.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

Quoting JoePatroni (Reply 7):
Quoting N766UA (Reply 8):
Quoting JoePatroni (Reply 7):
According to this, not quite!

I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking at. My point is that Toronto feels much more familiar and "American" than Miami to me.

I have no idea what is the point of reply 7. I get the statement that Toronto has a more American feel then Miami, I don't think that the author of post 7 has grasped the idea of the statement that was made.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 15):
How about Medicine Hat or St. Johns or some eskimo village out in the Yukon somewhere?

Well, I'd say "The Hat" is a typical Canadian flatland/foothills-type city, kinda spread out for it's size, mostly into cattle, big steaks, and good Beer -- which automatically makes it more Canadian than American, b.t.w.

"Newfie John" isn't really a part of Canada, neither is the island of Newfoundland. Don't forget Newfoundland was an independent country until 1949, when it joined Canada. They have their own distinct identity, and I really recommend visiting. It's a blast there. almost every night. A little hard to understand the locals at times, though.



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User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

I wondered many times why AC operated out of the International terminal in BWI? makes no sense to me, as it is mostly deserted with very little amenities.

User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 947 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5842 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 17):
"Newfie John" isn't really a part of Canada, neither is the island of Newfoundland. Don't forget Newfoundland was an independent country until 1949, when it joined Canada. They have their own distinct identity, and I really recommend visiting. It's a blast there. almost every night. A little hard to understand the locals at times, though.

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24917 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5425 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 14):
Quoting N766UA (Reply 8):
I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking at. My point is that Toronto feels much more familiar and "American" than Miami to me.

Toronto IS the most American city in Canada. it is really much more plugged into the US economy than any other Canadian city. A good generation ago, I would have said Calgary had that "honour", but no more.

To me, YYC still feels much more American than YYZ. Every time I visit YYZ it feels more and more like a foreign city due to the massive immigration in recent years, mostly from Asia but also large African communities from Somalia etc.

In proportion to the population, YYC also has a larger U.S.-born population. In the 2006 census, 4.4% of YYC residents were born in the U.S. compared to 1.8% in YYZ. When I lived in YYC in the late 1980s the U.S. Consulate there was one of their largest. Their website says the current staff is 80.

Some other comparative numbers for YYZ and YYC metro areas from the 2006 census (population data from the 2011 census has been released but not the demographic data). Numbers are percentages of the total population:

Immigrants (not born in Canada) - YYZ 46%, YYC 24%
Mother tongue not English or French - YYZ 45%, YYC 24%
Language spoken at home not English or French - YYZ 27%, YYC 13%
Visible minorities - YYZ 43%, YYC 22%
Asian - YYZ 31%, YYC 17%
Black - YYZ 7%, YYC 2%


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
To me, YYC still feels much more American than YYZ. Every time I visit YYZ it feels more and more like a foreign city due to the massive immigration in recent years, mostly from Asia but also large African communities from Somalia etc.

In proportion to the population, YYC also has a larger U.S.-born population. In the 2006 census, 4.4% of YYC residents were born in the U.S. compared to 1.8% in YYZ.

Indeed YYC has more of the feel like SLC or DEN in the U.S. and I think the same can be said for YEG as well. The bottom line is yes the demographics of immigrants and ethnicity might shift accordingly, but most U.S. and Canadian communities are VERY similar in culture and scope of population...what can i say; 50 states and 10 provinces along with associated territories of North America.

I for one wish AC would give YYZ-SLC another go now that DL pulled out of that one, and that DL would give YEG a single daily back to SLC rather than push all of it through MSP. I think if WS colaborated more with DL on code-shares, SLC would do better Canadian gateway and get back some of the old Western Airlines movement once had.

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 5):
And strangely...AC moved to the new international terminal at ATL, creating a slightly less convenient arrival experience for most AC passengers since the international terminal has fewer and more distant ground transport options. I'm not sure of the reasoning behind that. I wonder whether it was voluntary on AC's part to move.

I think AC didn't object to this since ATL is a Sky Team hub and AC is about as Star Alliance aligned as a carrier could get. I doubt you would see a similar move at places like ORD, EWR, WAD, DEN or SFO.



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User currently offlinegreggariouspdx From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4897 times:
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I wonder what Eagle is doing with the ORD-Kitchner/Waterloo flights as far as clearance. Does Kitchner have Immigration facilities ?

User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 800 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Timing of this is funny; I just passed through U.S. Customs immigration tonight at YUL on my way home to DCA on an AC flight.


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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
There are at least 9 other Canadian airports with transborder services but which lack pre-clearance. Passengers on those flights obviously have to clear U.S. formalities on arrival. I don't think AC operates any of those routes.
Quoting greggariouspdx (Reply 22):
I wonder what Eagle is doing with the ORD-Kitchner/Waterloo flights as far as clearance. Does Kitchner have Immigration facilities ?

No, it doesnt. Those passengers would have had to clear immigrations upon arrival in Chicago.

Off the top of my head, here are some other routes that do not have pre-clearance (ie: immigrations is done upon arrival in the US):

YYT (St John's NL)-EWR
YQB (Quebec City)-EWR/ORD (and DTW?)
MSP
YQR (Regina)-MSP
YXE (Saskatoon)-MSP
YLW (Kelowna)-SEA
YYJ (Victoria)-SEA

[Edited 2012-06-16 04:40:43]

[Edited 2012-06-16 04:43:23]

[Edited 2012-06-16 04:44:57]

(obviously, MSP should be at the end of the YQT- line, but I can seem to change that)


[Edited 2012-06-16 04:46:41]

25 connies4ever : To my knowledge, no. I don't believe there is anywhere near the transborder traffic levels to the USA out of YKF. In fact I think the Eagle service,
26 SLCUT2777 : YYJ & YQB are pushing to be th 11th and 12 Canadian airports to be equiped with U.S. pre-clearence facilities. There are other airports that want
27 Airontario : You can add the following as well: YYG-JFK YQM-EWR YXU-ORD There is the occasional winter charter to the Caribbean, operated by Sunwing I believe.
28 longhauler : The facilities are in place to make this transfer even easier. Baggage will soon no longer have to be claimed in YYZ to be pre-cleared to the US. The
29 Post contains links Viscount724 : Also: YQB-PHL (US Airways Express) YKF-ORD (AA Eagle...started this week) http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ame...chener-waterloo-ontario-2012-06-14 Y
30 BE77 : Since the thread is already squaking 7500, I'll add another non pre clearnce regularly scheduled city pair of YWH and LKE. Also multiple YTZ to US des
31 RP TPA : I spoke with someone in YYZ back in January (I work for AC, in the TPA cell center), and they were under the impression that this new process would b
32 Airontario : It was supposed to be up an running in May. A few days before the scheduled start date they announced they were pushing it back. No new date has been
33 Viscount724 : Also YYJ-SFO (UA Express twice-daily).
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