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User currently offlineCap'n Dan From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

Until Air 2000 changed their livery in the early 90s, it seems as though it was almost identical to that of Canada 3000 (which unfortunately has still not shed its ugly paint scheme). Were they ever under the same ownership? Does anyone know why this was?


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User currently offlineN509JB From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

Canada 3000 + Air 2000 = Air Canada 5000?

I know this dont help, but I'm tired and punchy from uploading all day.

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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4575 posts, RR: 41
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

I am sure someone can answer in more detail, but here are ther basics.

Canada 3000 was intended to be started by the owners of Air 2000. However, Canadian law forbade this, so a seperate company was created, with ties to Air 2000. Air 2000's aircraft were originally used. The two companies are now completely seperate.

Oh, and I for one like C3k's livery - leave it alone!



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User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

How come Canada 3000's code is 2T but not C3?

that's weird.
r panda


User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

Canada 3000 also use the code CMM, and Air 2000 use the code AMM. They were both started under the same ownership years ago but since split. Air 2000 is now part of the UK holiday firm 'First Choice'. I asked this question a few months back on here, but I've forgotten the exact answer!

DEM



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User currently offlineCap'n Dan From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1265 times:

Thanks, Virgin. That makes a lot of sense now; I wonder how they ended up separating, and how C3 was allowed to continue using the Air 2000 livery?
Sorry we disagree about the colours though...


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

They were never really owned by one company, because as virginflyer said it was illegal in Canada. Instead Air 2k was more like a sister company in another country. The two airlines are based on the same ideas, and operated in an alliance together in that they had arrangements to lease each others airplanes in during the other airlines down season. In other words in winter when C3 got buysier they would lease some planes from A2K because that was more of a slow season over there, and then in the summer it would switch. A2k did own a stake in C3 and helped creat the canadian sister company, but they were never majority share holders.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

Oh yeah and I forgot to add, when C3 first started they were also Air 2000 but the governement thought that that was a bit close to the other A2k and so they forced them to change the name twice, first to Canada 2000(but that was still to close) and then to Canada 3000.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineG-ELDG From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

THERE BOTH PART OF (UKLG) UK LESUIRE GROUP OPERATING IN THE UK AS FIRST CHOICE HOLIDAYS, IM NOT SURE WHO THEY OPERATE AS IN CANADA BUT UKLG OWN A FEW COMPANYS IN CANADA AND NORTH AMERICA LIKE CAR HIRE FIRMS!

User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1639 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

I also like their livery although I would like them to get a genuine logo for the tail someday.. There is also a USA 3000 now.. any distant connection to all this?

Thanks
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User currently offlineAircanon From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1239 times:

Hi all

Maybe a little bit off topic but i can´t see anything wrong with the livery of both of them...


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yeah... and those Air 2000 pilots are extremly friendly!
(look closer)


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Canada 3000 livery in my opinion good looking!


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Edwin


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

The USA3000 connection is not a big one. C3 for a few years has operated charters out of Newark for Apple Vacations. Apple is now starting it's own airline, USA3000 to do basically what C3 was doing for them for the last three years, plus a number of new charters out of NYC and the east coast. Angus Kenear the CEO of C3 owns a chunk of Apple Vacation stock, a rather large chunk, and the CEO of apple vacations own some C3 stock, so in a way they are connected but not as much as C3 and A2K were, USA3000 has a nicer livery, but not by much.  Smile


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineBA-747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

well if they aint connected now how come some pics in here have air 2000 colours but with the red canada 3000 name. i know the aircrafts are leased but ive never seen a canada 3000 leased to air 2000 in the uk and canada 3000 operated to the uk

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