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Lufthansa B733's Operating For Swiss?  
User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12329 times:

Hello,
I noticed on Flightradar24 that there are at least two Lufthansa 737-300's (D-ABEE, D-ABEN) that are operating Swiss flights (eg. LX 98K MAN-ZRH) today, and are seemingly temporarily based in Zurich.

Would anyone have any idea why those 737-300's are ZRH-based? I trust Swiss would not want to begin operating 20 year-old 737 Classics!

Thanks,
CO764


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User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12276 times:

The two 737-300s are operated for Swiss on weekends to cope with the shortage of aircraft. The 737s operate mostly into Germany or AMS. On Saturday and Sunday there are several LX A320 that operate flights on behalf of Edelweiss so LX doesn't have enough own planes to operate their flights. I don't know if this wet-lease is intended to last just for a couple of weeks or for the entire summer. The same situation occured last year already.

User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1881 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12104 times:
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We've been getting the LH 733 for the Saturday afternoon ZRH flight for the past few weeks, it was the same last year. This year I've only seen DABEN so far.

Quoting CO764 (Thread starter):
Would anyone have any idea why those 737-300's are ZRH-based? I trust Swiss would not want to begin operating 20 year-old 737 Classics!

It's not as bad as you may think. While the overhead bins don't compare to the 32S the LH 737s are very well maintained and have recently gotten a new interior. They look fine on the inside and the average Joe wouldn't ever guess the age.

Martijn



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User currently offlineby188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12031 times:

A few years ago i flew LCY-ZRH-TXL on swiss, the ZRH-TXL flight was operated as a wet lease by LH , according to the cabin crew, they were Berlin based and it was a regular thing. This was also on a Saturday.


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User currently offlineCO764 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12021 times:

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
It's not as bad as you may think. While the overhead bins don't compare to the 32S the LH 737s are very well maintained and have recently gotten a new interior. They look fine on the inside and the average Joe wouldn't ever guess the age.

Agreed but I meant in the long-run. However, I have to admit that the NEK interior is quite impressive.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11875 times:

I was booked on an LX flight ZRH-AMS at least 2 years ago and it was operated by a LH 733.

User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11695 times:

LH has been operating 733's for LX in the weekends for many years now, nothing special.


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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1692 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11077 times:

Smart move I would say. Use the available equipment within the group. As long as the servicelevel is on par with LX it is fine. Optimizing the fleet-usage within the group is a first step in cost saving!
I have also seen a LH343 in ZRH a couple of years ago, subbing on the ZRH-BOS flights for a couple of days.



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User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1316 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9992 times:

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
It's not as bad as you may think. While the overhead bins don't compare to the 32S the LH 737s are very well maintained and have recently gotten a new interior. They look fine on the inside and the average Joe wouldn't ever guess the age.

I agree - i was on a LH 733 back in March and if i didn't know any better, id have said it was only a few years old. Certainly much better condition than the EI A320 i was on a few weeks later that was delivered in 2005.



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User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9474 times:

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 8):
I agree - i was on a LH 733 back in March and if i didn't know any better, id have said it was only a few years old. Certainly much better condition than the EI A320 i was on a few weeks later that was delivered in 2005.

Are you sure you weren't sleep deprived or anything? Cannot speak about EI Busses but the antique LH Bobbys are a true disgrace. I always try to fly LX instead of LH if the flight is indicated to be operated by a 737 in order to avoid them.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 7):
Smart move I would say. Use the available equipment within the group. As long as the servicelevel is on par with LX it is fine. Optimizing the fleet-usage within the group is a first step in cost saving!

As a customer I'll be seriously pi**ed. A LH 733 is nowhere near an adequate substitution for a LX A32x.

Now that I stumbled across this thread I know what else to watch out for when booking flights, thank you!



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User currently offlineDufo From Slovenia, joined May 1999, 800 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9045 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 9):
As a customer I'll be seriously pi**ed. A LH 733 is nowhere near an adequate substitution for a LX A32x.

Seriously? You sound like someone who doesn't pay for tickets himself. Is there such a difference for a one hour flight?



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User currently offlinejwhite9185 From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 1316 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 9):
Are you sure you weren't sleep deprived or anything? Cannot speak about EI Busses but the antique LH Bobbys are a true disgrace. I always try to fly LX instead of LH if the flight is indicated to be operated by a 737 in order to avoid them.

Far from being a disgrace, as i said i was quite impressed with the particular one i went on (D-ABEC). Had quite a new cabin.



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3613 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8159 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 9):
Are you sure you weren't sleep deprived or anything? Cannot speak about EI Busses but the antique LH Bobbys are a true disgrace.

Have you ever been on a flight on the New European Cabin of LH? They are great, the planes look like new. Actually I was a bit surprised to see such a huge investment into airplanes which will be gone soon.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7477 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 7):
I have also seen a LH343 in ZRH a couple of years ago, subbing on the ZRH-BOS flights for a couple of days.

I think this was done at the time because LX had a severe crew shortage and in order not to cancel some flights they wetleased a plane with crew from LH for some days. Supposedly this summer LX will use WK crews to operate some flights operated by an A333.


User currently offlinevfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4005 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7322 times:

Lufthansa is also operating 733s on behalf of Austrian from VIE to FCO and DUS, so quite a bit of shuffling around capacity within the Lufthansa group.

User currently offlineAquila3 From Italy, joined Nov 2010, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7048 times:

Shame, shame on you LX!
I would never put my feet on such old can of trash! I do not want to bet my life because they want to spare (ops, optimize).
Is that Swiss or Delta?
Unbelievable!



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User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6973 times:

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 15):
I would never put my feet on such old can of trash! I do not want to bet my life because they want to spare (ops, optimize).
Is that Swiss or Delta?
LX operates many A320s that are not that much newer than these 737s, don't assume because it is an A320 is it a young plane, especially in regards to the Euro airlines...

[Edited 2012-06-17 10:55:03]

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6955 times:

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 15):
Shame, shame on you LX!
I would never put my feet on such old can of trash! I do not want to bet my life because they want to spare (ops, optimize).
Is that Swiss or Delta?
Unbelievable!

C'mon thats ridiculous! These aircrafts from LH are perfectly maintained and probably much safer than newer ons from other airlines.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2978 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6894 times:

Quoting poLot (Reply 16):
LX operates many A320s that are not that much newer than these 737s, don't assume because it is an A320 is it a young plane, especially in regards to the Euro airlines...

the 13 oldest A320 were build in 1995/96 (and used to fly for former Swissair...).
D-ABEN is built 1993.

So, now tell me if those two years really matter now?
Looking from another point, oldest LH A320 (D-AIPA) is from 1989, but very well maintained and with the new European cabin shiny new. Nobody would even remark...

  


User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6831 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 18):
the 13 oldest A320 were build in 1995/96 (and used to fly for former Swissair...).
D-ABEN is built 1993.

So, now tell me if those two years really matter now?
Looking from another point, oldest LH A320 (D-AIPA) is from 1989, but very well maintained and with the new European cabin shiny new. Nobody would even remark...

It doesn't matter, I am in complete agreement with you. I had no negative connotations with my previous comment, I think you were misreading my intention.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2978 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

Quoting poLot (Reply 19):
It doesn't matter, I am in complete agreement with you. I had no negative connotations with my previous comment, I think you were misreading my intention.

...and I was actually supporting your comment  


User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6710 times:

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 20):
...and I was actually supporting your comment

Well nevermind then. Your smiley in your first post threw me off.

Of course in addition to the A320s about half of the A321s/A319 date from '95/'96 as well; most of their narrowbody fleet was delivered to their initial airlines (mostly Swissair) before the turn of the century.


User currently offlineAquila3 From Italy, joined Nov 2010, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6559 times:

Quoting poLot (Reply 16):
LX operates many A320s that are not that much newer than these 737s, don't assume because it is an A320 is it a young plane, especially in regards to the Euro airlines...


As a technology POV their A320 are 20 years newer that dinosaurs. The 320 is the airplane that brought jets to a new level of safety standards.
Proof is that all others are following. Even Boeing will do it one day, like in their wide bodies. and, BTW, grandfathering on models older than 20 years should be forbidden for the sake of our safety.



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User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 22):
Proof is that all others are following. Even Boeing will do it one day, like in their wide bodies. and, BTW, grandfathering on models older than 20 years should be forbidden for the sake of our safety.

I guess you should still be avoiding those A320s (and the NEO when it comes) then...I mean those overwing exits aren't up to par like with the 737NG. Poor Airbus gambling with our safety 


User currently offlineAquila3 From Italy, joined Nov 2010, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6118 times:

Quoting poLot (Reply 23):
I guess you should still be avoiding those A320s (and the NEO when it comes) then...I mean those overwing exits aren't up to par like with the 737NG. Poor Airbus gambling with our safety

Yes, you are right, they should not allow such things as well.
But, honestly, from the bottom of my heart, you cannot compare a classic/jurassic with an A320.
I have flown the classics (long time ago, you know In Europe it is not so easy , was a domestic flight with Olimpic some ten years ago) and the experience was exactly the same of the A300 of Iran Air (done about 5 years ago). That you can compare.
Nobody is blind, I am sorry. Last time I rented a small car they had given me a Ford Fiesta, not a repainted Fiat 128 with new seats.
So, again, shame, shame on you, Swiss Air Lines, from and old time loyal customer.



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25 Post contains images cbphoto : Shows how much you know about this industry! Just stick to complaining about the sandwiches and leg room and leave the airlines to be run by the expe
26 Andie007 : Same in Vienna on the OS route VIE-FCO...
27 Viscount724 : Of the 146 737-100/200/300/400/500s LH has taken delivery of in the past 45 years (they were the 737 launch customer), how many have they written off
28 TheSonntag : D-ABXL is the oldest one, delivered in 1986. When it is retired this year, it has been in service for 26 years.
29 cbphoto : I know, hence why age has little too nothing to do with safety! Its about maintenance, training and overall operational culture that dictates how saf
30 TheSonntag : Condor, LH subsidy, did have a fatal 732 crash in Izmir, however (around 1988).
31 Post contains images gabrielchew : Have either of you been on a refurbished LH 737? They're in great shape, far better shape than most of the shorthual BA fleet. I've been on two recen
32 Post contains images Stratofish : Quite the opposite, I do pay with my own money, hence I expect to fly the product I deliberately chose. Not the cabin I got on my last LH733 flights.
33 PhilInBRN : The Boeing 737-300 are expected to stay in the Lufthansa fleet for some years. The last plane is planned to be phased out by 2016 hence the recent inv
34 VC10er : You are honestly afraid for your life on Luftansa? LH and all major carriers are more safe than driving a car or even taking a bath. And LH? Common!
35 Aquila3 : So do you mean that I should leave the forum to the experts like you? I did not know that this was an EXPERTS ONLY forum. Or maybe you just cannot af
36 Aquila3 : So, the 25 y/o Fiat 128 (withe the new seats) that they want to give me at Avis/Hertz in place of the new Ford Fiesta had passed the yearly safety ch
37 Post contains links bennett123 : Aquila3 Seems to me that there are two issues here; "I would never put my feet on such old can of trash! I do not want to bet my life". You confuse ol
38 Aquila3 : Ok, if you feel safer on that low-hanging, bumped peel noisy can, good for you. Then hurry up to get a ride on those, otherwise you woud have to go to
39 DALCE : I prefer a LH 733 or 735 above any FR 738 handsdown. LH is a quality carrier with a very good and strong reputation, although personal taste may diff
40 speedbird128 : Are you guys high? Aquila- a ticket is a contract of carriage. They could send you on the JU52 if they so desired ( I am imagining your pending hernia
41 cbphoto : Nope, but when you come on here and post baseless facts, expect to get some heat! You clearly pointed out that 737s, especially LHs ones are old and
42 DesertFlyer : The amount of trolling these two posters are doing is off the charts. Honestly, I imagine very few people would have so much concern if their flight i
43 Aquila3 : Oh, thanks, Mr EXPERT to let me stay on this forum.Very kind of you. The "nonsense stuff " that I post are my personal feelings, as a frequent travel
44 larshjort : Technologically the A320 is ~6 years newer than the 737 Classic. So the question is would you rather drive a 1983 Ford Sierra or a 1989 VW Passat. As
45 Aquila3 : Fully disagree, sorry. The Classic made technologically negligible improvements on the Jurassic, while the A320 (rightly so , being a new design) was
46 Viscount724 : The CFM56 was much more than a negligibile improvement over the JT8D. I don't understand your issues with LH 733s. Not 1 in 1000 passengers will noti
47 Stratofish : Whoa, we're having a bad day, haven't we? No need for such language. Its simply that some are not happy to get a different product than they expect /
48 gabrielchew : How does the product differ? You've acknowledged that the seats are exactly the same, ergo the cabin is indential. The catering will be as per LX (if
49 Burkhard : I have absolutely no doubt that the LH 733 are as safe as a plane can be, with perfect maintenenance well taken care of. There are many 5 year old air
50 bennett123 : Stratofish IMO, reply 15 does seem to indicate that a B737 is less safe. If this is not being suggested, that perhaps the poster should clarify that p
51 Aquila3 : Oh, yes, I should, indeed. So maybe I will be admitted again in this forum for EXPERTS only , or I will not be considered a"trolling" any more. How k
52 Rara : Exactly, it's only prestige. Swiss has that premium image that may lead people to think they're getting something better. In long haul, this may be t
53 bennett123 : IMO, if you are saying that LH B737 are less safe because they are older than an LX A320, then you would be wise to put up some supporting evidence. I
54 larshjort : Yes, age is a factor. The Aloha 737 was because of an aged frame. It spawned a whole ned way of thinking about ageing structures. Also the Southwest
55 Rara : Yes, I fully agree to your point. But furthermore I do wonder whether statistically, old aircraft are more likely to be involved in a fatal accident,
56 Semaex : What exactly are we discussing in this thread? I'm sorry to say, but in my opinion posters who disturb the flow of the discussion, not to mention the
57 Aquila3 : Well, if I disturb you, then ask for removal . You have this faculty. So simple it is. I believe my opinion is relevant to the subject, and that I hav
58 Post contains images columba : Guys, don´t feed the trolls, some people don´t want to listen to arguments, they just want to complain, that LH is a bad airline flying old planes o
59 Aquila3 : For the one that are interested, I will summarize that threre are 3 issues, in my opinion with LX proposing to their customers such old can with "new
60 Semaex : Now you have reached the point where a sensible discussion is possible, because you have stated your opinion in a way - 3 ways to be exact - that you
61 Viscount724 : The very high number of cycles (over 89,000) due to the extreme shorthaul nature of Aloha's network (most flights not much more than 30 minutes) was
62 bennett123 : Were high humidity and salt also issues?.
63 TheSonntag : The 737s have a brand new cabin. From the inside and outside they look very well maintained. The noise levels are also not louder than newer aircraft
64 MIAspotter : Jesus Christ, the things you read in here... I have flown a few times on LH 733s and 735s as well as A319s A320s and A321s and all these aircrafts whe
65 aerokiwi : Ok so rather than take the ridiculous flamebait posted above (I suggest everyone try and refrain, tempting though it is is to launch in), I have a que
66 DALCE : On weekends theLX 32x fleet is doing a lot op Edelweiss flights to typical European holiday destinations like HER,KGS,IBZ,LPA etc. whereas on weekdays
67 aerokiwi : Interesting, I never realised Edelweiss and LX were so close. Thanks for that.
68 poLot : Edelweiss is owned by LX (and thus LH).
69 cbphoto : Well..I would agree with you, except that when proper money has been invested in a cabin refurbishment, most passengers cannot tell the difference. N
70 speedbird128 : Jump on the JU52. Both Aquila and Fish failed to notice. Imagine how dangerous a ~1936 machine must be.
71 Post contains images columba : I did fly on the Dc 3/C47 which was awesome, also I did fly on a 1927 bi-plane which was even more awesome and I can not wait to step a foot on Lufth
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