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Charlotte Douglas International Airport Thread 1  
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 9387 times:

There is a rumor that US will be upgrading GIG route with a A332

If US merges with AA could we possibly see a BA flight from heathrow

What does everyone think US European network will look after a merger( if and when it happens)

[Edited 2012-06-16 22:57:06]

[Edited 2012-06-16 23:22:44]

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 9322 times:

I think a lot of flights will be moved to MIA but some of the high yield and O&D routes will stay at CLT.

Does LH still fly to CLT? Any other Euro carriers?



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8994 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):

Yea LH flyies a daily A346 form Munich from march 29-october31 and then they fy a A333


User currently offlineBoeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8869 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):

Nope, no other euro carriers fly there between LH, I can't believe Swiss or Brussels isn't flying their yet. It is one of the most important *A hubs in the US.

Another questions: what is happening with the expansion that recently just got approved. Has construction started, or it when is it expected to start?



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User currently offlinerduddji From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8814 times:

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 3):
Nope, no other euro carriers fly there between LH, I can't believe Swiss or Brussels isn't flying their yet. It is one of the most important *A hubs in the US.

There's virtually zero demand for those carriers' hubs from CLT. They are barely able to serve the other eastern *A hubs in much larger markets (NYC, DC, CHI).

They should be thankful they have LH. I would say that route is in jeopardy if/when US/AA merge and drop out of the *A. On the flip side, they'd likely get a BA LHR flight or two post merger which would be nice.

It will be very interesting to see what happens to the Int'l flights if/when the merger occurs. It could either be really good for CLT, or they could move the Int'l traffic to higher demand hubs (MIA, NYC, etc.). Then use CLT for low revenue domestic traffic (similar to UA's DEN operation a few years ago). I suspect the GIG flight would be first to be axed, since it's already served from MIA (and there's little O&D demand from CLT).



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8784 times:

Quoting rduddji (Reply 4):

I still think Swiss should be here


User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8736 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 5):
I still think Swiss should be here

On what ground, other than „I think so?“


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1906 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8688 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
If US merges with AA could we possibly see a BA flight from heathrow

Probably yes, I could see this happening, it's the largest European OW hub and BA has served CLT before.

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):

What does everyone think US European network will look after a merger( if and when it happens)

CLT is in a good position, because of it's unique nature it virtually ensures that it will remain a significant hub in either a stand-alone or merger scenario. However, if a merger with AA does happen, CLT officials should realize that there would be some significant changes. CLT would no longer be the central network focus of three hubs but rather one of eight hubs in a new network and would thus likely face significant route rationalization which would bring CLT more in line to play on it's core strengths as a largely domestic, North-South intra-South East hub with only a handful of flights to the major international destinations. Connecting traffic flows will be more spread out among PHL, JFK, MIA, ORD, and DFW, most of the niche Caribbean and Central American destinations would be discontinued along with GIG, LGW would of course be replaced with LHR, FRA would stay but DUB and FCO would go. I'm not sure about CDG, US is cutting the route but AA could possibly bring it back, MUC would also likely be discontinued. When all is said and done, I would expect a post-merger CLT hub to have ~400 daily flights with service to the major Caribbean leisure destinations as well as LHR, FRA, possibly CDG, and possibly MAD.

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 3):
I can't believe Swiss or Brussels isn't flying their yet.

Brussels is only just starting to fly to New York, why on earth would they fly to CLT?

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):

What does everyone think US European network will look after a merger( if and when it happens)

LH would almost certainly discontinue CLT. The route does have a high-yield following, but nowhere near enough to justify continuing the route with no more feed at CLT and without having an aircraft smaller than an A333 to fly the route. Those pax could easily be rerouted over other Star Alliance hubs, and that's even assuming that those high-yield travelers on the route don't switch their allegiance to OW.


User currently offlinea/c dxer From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

If the merger happens the accountants will find a way to dehub Charlotte. Someone will jump on their mistake and Charlotte will be better for it.

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 6):

Banking and it's a star hub


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8566 times:

What aircraft would BA use,

777 in the winter ans possible 744 in the summer, just a thought


User currently offlineCZ346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8540 times:

If AA and US merge, CLT is going to become a focus city. End of discussion.

CLT has very little to offer. Even under 1W, why would BA favor CLT to JFK or MIA? JFK has the northeast and southeast covered, MIA has central and south america covered - its just not there.

No merger has EVER yielded growth at what would be considered a secondary hub. This situation would be no different.


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1906 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8515 times:

Quoting CZ346 (Reply 11):
If AA and US merge, CLT is going to become a focus city. End of discussion.

Sorry but that's a ridiculous notion. No, CLT does not have the O&D, but similar to SLC and DEN, ATL and CLT are the only two hubs than can effectively service the South East US, the CLT hub would bring a lot to the table regarding the domestic network. If you honestly believe they would just cede the South to DL....well then I don't know what to think lol.


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8494 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):

What about theta north and south traffic

CLT will maintain its hub status.


User currently offlineCZ346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8475 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):

Focus city was probably a bit of a strong word to use, but it wouldn't see growth. It will see a decrease in traffic by all means....


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1906 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8457 times:

Quoting CZ346 (Reply 14):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 12):

Focus city was probably a bit of a strong word to use, but it wouldn't see growth. It will see a decrease in traffic by all means....

Yes I agree, CLT will only see traffic decrease with a merger, I said it in another thread as well, but yes, mergers very seldom result in net growth, it's all about cost reductions and synergizing. Having said that, I still think CLT would remain a significant hub, not as large as it is now, but still a respectable size.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 13):
What about theta north and south traffic

North-South traffic doesn't make CLT unique in and of itself, many hubs can easily service North-South traffic. CLT's real strength lies in it's ability to serve the South East.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11529 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8457 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 7):
CLT is in a good position, because of it's unique nature it virtually ensures that it will remain a significant hub in either a stand-alone or merger scenario. However, if a merger with AA does happen, CLT officials should realize that there would be some significant changes. CLT would no longer be the central network focus of three hubs but rather one of eight hubs in a new network and would thus likely face significant route rationalization which would bring CLT more in line to play on it's core strengths as a largely domestic, North-South intra-South East hub with only a handful of flights to the major international destinations. Connecting traffic flows will be more spread out among PHL, JFK, MIA, ORD, and DFW, most of the niche Caribbean and Central American destinations would be discontinued along with GIG, LGW would of course be replaced with LHR, FRA would stay but DUB and FCO would go. I'm not sure about CDG, US is cutting the route but AA could possibly bring it back, MUC would also likely be discontinued. When all is said and done, I would expect a post-merger CLT hub to have ~400 daily flights with service to the major Caribbean leisure destinations as well as LHR, FRA, possibly CDG, and possibly MAD.

  

Agreed. CLT would probably settle at around 400 daily flights (total, mainline + regional), with a heavy emphasis on north-south connections and traffic in/out of the Atlantic Southeast. International would be focused on LHR and MAD for connections, plus the largest European O&D markets, and on the biggest O&D leisure markets in the Caribbean, with everything else moving elsewhere.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 7):
LH would almost certainly discontinue CLT. The route does have a high-yield following, but nowhere near enough to justify continuing the route with no more feed at CLT and without having an aircraft smaller than an A333 to fly the route.

I'm not so sure. There is a lot of economic and cultural exchange between Germany and the southeastern U.S. and lots of business traffic driven by deep industrial connections. I agree that absent a hub on the CLT end, an A330 does seem a bit large for such a market - but that might be a good candidate for a Privitair-type arrangement, perhaps.


User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6214 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8290 times:

If a merger between AA and US happens CLT will not be dehubbed and it will not become a focus city. Were do you people come up with these inane ideas? Give the SE to DL when CLT is the only alternative other than ATL to many markets in the region ?
LX and SN will not be flying to CLT anytime soon.
When did US announce that CDG-CLT was getting canned?

Regards,

Chepos

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User currently onlineboberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8223 times:
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Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
There is a rumor that US will be upgrading GIG route with a A332

This appears to be a true statement even though the schedule reflects 767. The flights capacity changes to a 332 starting on Oct 28, even though it still says its a 767.


User currently onlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4056 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8220 times:

Quoting CZ346 (Reply 11):
CLT has very little to offer. Even under 1W, why would BA favor CLT to JFK or MIA? JFK has the northeast and southeast covered, MIA has central and south america covered - its just not there.

No merger has EVER yielded growth at what would be considered a secondary hub. This situation would be no different.

Except JFK doesn't have the Southeast covered, not with slot restrictions limiting domestic flights, and there's also its location - in the northeast.

CLT isn't a secondary hub. Even if lumped into the AA network it is still a strong #2. With a reduction, it would fall in line to around 400-500 flights - still competitive in size with most of the other large hubs in the country.


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7863 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 19):
Except JFK doesn't have the Southeast covered, not with slot restrictions limiting domestic flights, and there's also its location - in the northeast.

Yeah, I don't know where people are getting this "everything is going to be moved to JFK" stuff from. AA has a grand total of 91 flights a day from JFK, which makes it less than 1/4 the size of PHL, less than 1/7 the size of CLT, and less than 1/2 the size of DCA. Add in JFK's slot restrictions and you will quickly figure out that not much (if anything) is going to be moved to JFK.


User currently offlineBoeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7864 times:

Quoting LOWS (Reply 6):

I personally think there has to be a good demand between CLT and Switzerland. The two are very large banking centers of the world. CLT is the second biggest banking center in the united states.

Quoting CZ346 (Reply 11):

That is a horrible claim, it is US's largest hub, so to dehub that would really ruin the appeal of US, although they aren't being overtaken. I can not see Doug Parker (assuming he will be CEO) he will certainly not dehub his crown jewel. That there is huge demand in CLT, and a lot of it being premium demand.

I don't understand this huge myth of this website that if AA/US merge CLT will be done.



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7836 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 20):

Thanks guys. I was reading how Doug Parker said CLT will be a key role and CLT will be fine. He made that comment after CLT announced there 1 billion dollar expansion


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7816 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 16):

Maybe air Berlin


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7806 times:

Quoting chepos (Reply 17):

There not canning CDG just for the winter, there not ending it


25 bobloblaw : Could CLT-GIG be moved to CLT-GRU?
26 bobloblaw : Sorry no end of discussion. Name for me the third largest hub in the United States in terms of daily departures???? CLT traffic cannot be replaced by
27 Post contains images southwest737500 : Well said buddy
28 AS739BSI : I think CLT would be right-sized under an AA US merger just like IAH is going to be for UA and was predicted to be. Optimize the strengths of the netw
29 flyguy89 : Cultural ties don't really mean a whole lot as far as flights are concerned. Both Pittsburgh and Cincinnati have strong cultural ties to Germany and
30 jmc1975 : Just because it's a crown jewel for US doesn't mean it would be for a combined US/AA. The dynamics of the airline change under a merger. In the end,
31 bobloblaw : Isnt that true of GIG as well? GRU has good business ties with the SE. No one has mentioned that perhaps it is MIA that might get right sized with a
32 N782NC : For much of US Air's history, Pittsburgh was it's crown jewel, and look at the result. In the airline industry, anything that makes business sense ca
33 Boeing773ER : I've seen many people claim this, in the AA/US merger thread the claim "CLT will be de-hubbed/majorly downsized in a US/AA merger" has been repeated
34 chepos : You have not been around this website for long, I have been here 11 years. I can tell you this, half the time some posters don't have a clue what the
35 southwest737500 : I understand people have opinions but then there is just common sense. It's funny because Doug Parker will CEO (probably) and he stated In the Charlo
36 southwest737500 : I totally agre with you. This should get interesting
37 southwest737500 : I don't think they extended there schedule but I think it restarts in April
38 southwest737500 : Maybe CLT could get a direct flight to TUL,OKC
39 QANTAS747-438 : I hear there will be an AUG 12 announcement of WN starting service into CLT with their own metal. No word on a start date. I found it in an article on
40 southwest737500 : Seriously, keep me posted. That's great
41 HPRamper : Not if AA merges with US. Otherwise, maybe. If there is a merger I would expect DFW to continue to handle OKC and TUL given the proximity and the exc
42 southwest737500 : FL is ending there CLT-MCO flight so maybe WN will announce service to MCO and maybe MDW
43 Boeing773ER : But irregardless how long I have been around this AA/US merger speculation has begun after I joined. Plus I have been watching the site before I join
44 Cubsrule : . . . and DL/NW and UA/CO promised not to close hubs. And WN/FL promised not to cut cities. Talk is cheap. To me, the hubs of a combined AA/US look w
45 CompensateMe : WN's cutting most of FL's service to MCO.
46 southwest737500 : Agreed but there was a lot of factors for that
47 jmc1975 : But actually, alot of it can be...particularly international CLT is already way over-saturated with 50-seat flying....it's not efficient in the long
48 CompensateMe : MIA has one of the nation's highest cost per passenger; CLT one of the lowest. Plenty of incentive to maintain CLT - resort destinations in Latin Ame
49 southwest737500 : Regionals arent suppose to make a profit. CLT is not over saturated with CRJ. That is how they feed there flights
50 Boeing773ER : I just can't see where this 30% figure is coming from. US has 644 daily departures this summer. 30% reduction in flights will US down to about 400-45
51 HPRamper : Hey now, can't stop people from throwing their arbitrary numbers around.
52 Cubsrule : Fine, but if 50 seaters are "inefficient," how do we accomplish this? Seems like you are trying to have your cake and eat it too.
53 Flighty : Hahahaha. With Horton in charge, yes I beleive that. To lose say,1.5 billion / quarter, they would need to ramp CLT flights way down, and increase OR
54 Boeing773ER : I'm not, but I'm just trying to figure out where this "30%" of reductions will come from.
55 LAXdude1023 : There isnt. In fact CLT-ZRH is less than 5 PDEW. Bottom line is that CLT has two (relatively) significant O&D markets in Europe: London and Germa
56 Post contains images PHX787 : we've heard this too with TW/AA
57 southwest737500 : I don't understand if there filling the flights to MAD DUB FCO why can't they just keep them. There making money[Edited 2012-06-17 18:49:11]
58 Cubsrule : To be fair, AA tried pretty hard to make STL work. MAD probably stays as hub-hub (which is ironic, since it's one of the weaker markets today).
59 southwest737500 : [quote=LAXdude1023,reply=55][/quote What's the PDEW on MAD or DUB from CLT
60 sharktail : I think that if US would leave the * alliance, LH would drop MUC but replace it with FRA. A lot of the traffic that US carries to FRA is connecting t
61 CZ346 : Okay, again focus cit was a bit harsh of a term to use but there is no way around it it will be downsized. Your metric of daily departures means noth
62 usflyer msp : I thought LH had some sort of agreement/contract with BMW for MUC-CLT service?
63 PHX787 : Couldn't u say the same about DL at CVG and MEM?
64 sharktail : I had heard that Delta won that contract from Atlanta. BMW is located between Charlotte and Atlanta so they have the choice.
65 jetblast : From the BA side we could not make Charlotte work with a 767 routed through another city (BWI)...I'd be surprised if we started 767 service there aga
66 flyguy89 : Almost certainly the other way around. If a merger moves forward, the combined airline would have lots of large RJ's (which AA doesn't have currently
67 Boeing773ER : That is highly opinionated, while I agree US isn't up to par with UA and DL it is on par with AA. Now US is trying to become a better airline, and in
68 southwest737500 : I'm saying after a merger
69 southwest737500 : That's my point I know it's all connecting traffic
70 sharktail : US now has 2 daily flights on the route starting this summer. They would drop 1 and LH will add another one. LH has been wanting to fly this route fo
71 flyguy89 : Yes but that's because they're both in Star Alliance and US and LH receive feed from both CLT and FRA. If US merged, the new carrier would be in OneW
72 sharktail : I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I would expect there to be a battle between US and LH and I expect LH to win that. US would be able to route
73 jetblast : Yes, I am aware of what you're saying. If anything there would be a possibility of a 767 (although it wouldn't be handled by BA staff so I couldn't c
74 point2point : If AA/US combined, I think that CLT would play the role in the Southeast similar to that MSP plays for DL up in the Northwest/upper Midwest. With LAX,
75 Boeing773ER : They have one daily 763 to FRA from DFW. They just hand everything off to BA to connect throughout the Euro Zone/Middle East/Africa. But that is the
76 CV880 : ATL is twice as far as CLT from GSP, where BMW is located. In addition, CLT has a huge Siemens Gas/Steam Turbine Plant, so there is more than one rea
77 Cubsrule : Both have been on a pretty steep downward trajectory since the merger. STL hung around for 9 years. But doesn't AA currently route traffic over DFW,
78 bobloblaw : Which is precisely why CLT works. Small aircraft lots of frequency means high yields and high RASM because there is no excess capacity. Why should AA
79 Cubsrule : Keep in mind that, even putting the gauge issue aside, ORF-SJU, like a lot of US-Caribbean itineraries, is also shorter via CLT than via MIA.
80 Flytravel : WN didn't add DAY-MDW yet, and is still following a strategy: somebody has got to support FL. To reach Dayton or Cincinnati from the east, one has to
81 gizmonc : WN service to MDW is getting CROWDED. MDW can only handle so many flights it is really land locked. Currently there are about 270 plus flights in and
82 flyguy89 : What you're not understanding is that this is all alliance-based. LH hasn't built up a customer base in CLT, Star Alliance has, largely because of US
83 TX2FL : Sounds like the typical US Naysayer/haters that have forecast that airline's demise for years. And just IMO I know passengers hate connecting through
84 USAirALB : First off, it seems that everyone loves to talk about the role of CLT in a hypothetical merger with AA and how traffic will be moved down to MIA, and
85 CV880 : I never have alluded LH's presence in CLT to anything concerning star alliance...The first time that LH was in CLT with 747's was long before any of
86 Boeing773ER : Just because AA hubs generate large amounts of O&D means something, but not as much emphasis as you put on it. If you can't successfully run an a
87 jmc1975 : You could probably use LH's PDX-FRA route as an indicator as to how CLT-MUC might perform, a sent Star Alliance connectivity in the US if US/AA were t
88 flyguy89 : No one has said 150 flights will be transferred to MIA. However, with JFK, MIA, ORD, and DFW now added to the network, the roles of each hub will be
89 CV880 : The flight was initially a turn around and was for most of its existence. The extension to either IAH or DFW was added much closer to its demise (not
90 HPRamper : Well, sort of. Demographics don't tell the whole story though. LH did after all leave PDX for greener pastures. That doesn't only go for the US hubs.
91 jmc1975 : Which is why CLT WILL continue to be a hub, albeit smaller with ONLY 350-400 flights/day.
92 Post contains images CV880 : It's another mini ATL and works the same way. Yes, ATL's O&D is larger, but ATL has no competition in it's geographical area, whereas CLT does, w
93 flyguy89 : Well it is very important. If an airline has a choice to route passengers through a hub where the plane would be filled with 100% lower yielding conn
94 PHLwok : Color me confused, but how is LEX/CVG/DAY/SDF/IND to the Northeast better through ORD or DFW than through CLT? STL perhaps through ORD, and DSM makes
95 flyguy89 : I was talking about DFW with regard to the East-West traffic flows I was discussing. Anyways, yes, those cities are better flowed through ORD. Depend
96 HPRamper : East-West do work best across DFW and, to some markets, ORD. Southeast-Midwest and Southeast-Northeast are still best across CLT - excepting Upper Mi
97 slcdeltarumd11 : People are ridiculous on here. Mia is in a totally different geographical location for a hub. Clt will remain a hub for domestic transfers its in a mu
98 HPRamper : I think for the most part the "CLT will no longer be a hub" opinions have been overruled. Now the discussion is boiled down to how much CLT will lose
99 usflyer msp : I don't see CLT and DFW really competing for traffic very much. CLT really does not see all that much East-West traffic as it is. CLT has year-round s
100 southwest737500 : [quote=jmc1975,reply=91][/quote Do u guys really think they would cut over 200 flights. I Dout
101 bobloblaw : I think the opposite. I think a lot of M80s and 738s will be replaced with E90s and A319s. There is no high yield traffic to MIA., that is a myth. To
102 jmc1975 : ABSOLUTELY! Also keep in mind DL will likely be cutting 100+ daily flights out of ATL over the next couple years as the 50-seat RJs are replaced by 7
103 HPRamper : Actually I believe the plan calls for both.
104 maxpower1954 : Charlotte has always had airline service levels much larger than the size of the area would require. It was a connecting point for Eastern Airlines f
105 jonathanxxxx : Oh yes, there is no high yield traffic at all. I mean AA sends 757's with a higher premium seating configuration than all their other mainline shorth
106 bobloblaw : 1. The high yield traffic to MIA is on the international side or connecting to Latin America via MIA, not on the local side 2. MIA has not grown at D
107 HPRamper : It shouldn't. MIA should be like JFK and LAX - focused on O&D, not domestic connections. It's a waste to flow connections across MIA especially a
108 jmc1975 : ERJs will go by the wayside in favor of larger RJs.
109 Post contains images flyguy89 : It does in a way. With the exception of cities that have US service to PHX, all East-West itineraries on US back-track to their hubs at CLT and PHL.
110 bobloblaw : $200 higher than FLL? Youre not comparing similar markets. You cant say MIA has service to GRU and FLL has service to JAX and say MIA has higher fare
111 HPRamper : I was under the impression that MIA was also a fortress hub. Not every market can support a flight to MIA, especially once we take 50 seaters and sma
112 flyguy89 : You would be correct if the statistics I was quoting was an average of fares for all itineraries, but it's the average fare for DOMESTIC itineraries,
113 jonathanxxxx : You specifically said MIA has no high tells traffic and that it is a myth. Sorry, I don't know if I worded it wrong but I meant only two hubs that ha
114 Cubsrule : How do the average stage lengths compare? All right. Let's talk about some facts about these routes. AA carries ~45 local PDEW on MIA-IND. AA has two
115 HPRamper : What percentage of MIA-bound passengers are traveling to beyond-MIA destinations and how many are simply ending up in South Florida?
116 Post contains images CV880 : At least starting 11Jul, DL will beef up it's CLT sked with 36 weekday departures with 11/ATL 3/MEM 3/CVG 4/MSP 6/DTW 2/JFK 6/LGA 1/SLC. In late Aug,
117 commavia : The bottom line in all of this back and forth is this: neither hub is going anywhere, with or without a merger. Any suggestions that a merger will lea
118 flyguy89 : Likely similar stage-length profiles on the domestic side. Yes I agree. Assuming your numbers are accurate, I'm not seeing how this disproves my poin
119 usflyer msp : ...and you would see that US does not get much East-West traffic from those cities. Only the most hardcore US loyalists fly BUF-CLT-LAX or MEM-CLT-SF
120 flyguy89 : Well I guess there must be a lot of hardcore US loyalists because US is sure putting a lot capacity to the West Coast from PHL and CLT. From CLT alon
121 CV880 : Which is meaningless unless You know what the load factor of each flight is. With reference to the above example, what are the load factors, and do t
122 flyguy89 : Well it wasn't meaningless in the context we were discussing it regarding how much local traffic AA carries to MIA. As an employee I'm not permitted
123 Futureuscapt : Source, please? Hint: It doesn't exist
124 Post contains links and images flyguy89 : Try again http://www.rita.dot.gov/
125 southwest737500 : What routes could WN announce on august 12 someone on anet said there will be an announcement
126 Futureuscapt : Thanks for a link to the RITA homepage - care to provide an actual link/instructions to where this information supposedly exists?
127 USAirALB : How is that a lot of capacity connecting the third largest airline hub in the US to large population centers on the West Coast that have significant
128 Post contains images flyguy89 : There's no need to be snide about it. The info is easy enough to find if you take 5 minutes of your time to navigate the site. ugh, I'm having repeat
129 usflyer msp : You are missing my point. CLT is such an overwhelmingly N-S hub that roughly 94% of its flights are to destinations in the Atlantic, Eastern and Cent
130 Futureuscapt : Well, while you continue to skirt the issue, let's look at some real facts. Here are the 2011 fares from MIA to some of the top metro areas in the co
131 Post contains links flyguy89 : And you are missing my point! LOL Nor did I say it could!! In fact I'm pretty sure I've stated at least twice that CLT is indeed perfect N-S traffic.
132 Post contains images Futureuscapt : Yes, those are one way fares. See, now that wasn't so hard was it The $200rt premium went down to much more believable $82rt upon further review. And
133 flyguy89 : And it wasn't my intention to create such a narrative,I was simply responding to this claim: Which obviously is not the case.
134 Cubsrule : Why is the ratio the most important? In terms of raw butts in seats, US carries more local passengers on CLT-ORF than AA does on MIA-ORF. But there a
135 Post contains links flyguy89 : It's not, but it is a major reason contributing to the hub's success, having a healthy mix of O&D vs. connecting passengers drives profitability.
136 Cubsrule : US has low 90s market share. Do you know that AA is not connecting passengers to SFO over DFW, MIA and ORD that ought to be connected over CLT?
137 flyguy89 : Not useful unless we have a local PDEW passenger number for CLT-ORF Not sure what you're saying here. Both CLT and PHL are so far East, practically e
138 southwest737500 : CLT will keep most of there west coast flying, it would just be reduced lie you said
139 Cubsrule : It's between 40 and 45. I thought I said that. The other thing to keep in mind about the question of CLT versus MIA is that, other things being equal
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