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Largest Spoke Cities For United?  
User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10809 times:

Since they don't have true "focus cities" like Delta. Off the top of my head:

BOS
PDX
SEA
LAS
MCO
SAN
FLL
PIT
DFW

Does anyone have the number of flights per day out of these airports? Maybe there are a few more out there that I didn't include?


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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10552 times:
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Tommy,

(1) In your own words, what's the difference between a "spoke city" and a "focus city?" Knowing your thinking on the matter will help to answer your question.

(2) Did you mean to have DFW on your list as a UA focus city?


User currently offlineOOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10462 times:

Well for PDX there's

SFO: 9
ORD: 5
DEN: 5
IAD: 1
EWR: 2
IAH: 4
LAX: 3
SEA: 8
RDM: 3
EUG: 4
LMT: 1

Total: 45


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10414 times:

SEA is bigger than PDX. Almost 40 mainline departures plus the obvious OO flights to PDX and other markets.

User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2589 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10298 times:

From your list today (maybe not the best because its Sunday) I get the following departures by city - including Express:
LAS is the largest and surely when mainline vs. express is calculated. Note: some of the business markets would be low on a weekend so take this with a grain of salt.

LAS= 58 - Mostly mainline
SEA=47
BOS=45
SAN=44
FLL=44
MCO=39
PDX=36
TPA=33
LGA=32
STL=31
DFW=31
PHL=31
BWI=26
PHX=24
MSP=24
PIT=23
SAT=21
STL=21
HNL=20
SNA=19
MSY=18
ATL=18
SLC=18

[Edited 2012-06-17 16:59:13]

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10243 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Thread starter):
PIT
Quoting tommy767 (Thread starter):
Does anyone have the number of flights per day out of these airports?
Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 4):
PIT=23

Try 30+. Are you including CLE, IAH and EWR? If you add AC, which is ground-handled by UA in PIT, it's about 35 right now.



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User currently onlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10102 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 5):
If you add AC, which is ground-handled by UA in PIT, it's about 35 right now.

I'm not sure why you'd include Air Canada flights when the discussion is about United. Ground handling is irrelevent.



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User currently offlineipodguy7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9929 times:

So, in order (of the 9 cities you listed), United's (along with United Express) largest spokes are:

1. BOS
F 0
J 736
E 6,251
Total 6,987 (49 departures)

2. SEA
F 12
J 601
E 5,958
Total 6,671 (50 departures)

3. LAS
F 0
J 636
E 5,835
Total 6,471 (48 departures)

4. SAN
F 0
J 500
E 4,583
Total 5,083 (45 departures)

5. MCO
F 0
J 520
E 4,472
Total 4,992 (34 departures)

6. PDX
F 0
J 386
E 4,060
Total 4,446 (45 departures)

7. DFW
F 0
J 256
E 3,141
Total 3,397 (40 departures)

8. FLL
F 0
J 256
E 2,676
Total 2,932 (36 departures)

9. PIT
F 0
J 140
E 2,242
Total 2,382 (29 departures)



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2589 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9929 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 5):
Try 30+. Are you including CLE, IAH and EWR? If you add AC, which is ground-handled by UA in PIT, it's about 35 right now.

As I had stated, I picked today's departures, which obviously doesn't include lots of cancelled morning flights. In my experience, the best day to check for an average day is Thursday. In any case, I don't think you'll see much difference in total flights, except that LAS would be higher than normal using a Sunday while airports like LGA and other business markets may be on the low side.
This could be taken to further heights, seat counts, ASMs, wide vs.narrow bodies, mainline vs. Express, jet vs. prop, etc. In any case, I think LAS will be the station with the most seats and ASMs and probably the most flights.


User currently offlineCZ346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8220 times:

Outside of the USA, I know they list NRT and GUM as "Hubs" but I don't think they can really be classified as true Hubs.

Also, HKG has a couple of flights intra-asia via 738's and 764's...

HNL has a bunch of flights, but they all seem to be in and out of hubs.


User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8219 times:

How many departures per day for COS?


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User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8010 times:
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a focus city is somewhere that's a manstay city that you'll sly to even if it BYPASSES one of your Hubs and where you make it a point to fly TO From your Hubs. Bostom LGA, JFK , Hartford, CN, (Bdl), OMA, MSP, DFW, PHX, LAS, SNA,SAM, SEA, just to name a few. for United.

User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2397 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7989 times:

Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 10):
How many departures per day for COS?

Peak-day this summer, it looks like 26. All UAX CR2/7 and ERJ.

11x DEN
5x IAH
4x LAX
4x ORD
1x IAD
1x SFO


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2589 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 10):
How many departures per day for COS?

I see 20 tomorrow (Monday)

Quoting CZ346 (Reply 9):
HNL has a bunch of flights, but they all seem to be in and out of hubs.

HKG looks like 7 per day, but one of those is a 3 times per week 738 to GUM

By the way, its very close between LAS and BOS and BOS has the #1 ranking by total flights. On Thursday the end of June, BOS has 51 flights (7 are RJs) and LAS 47 (8 are RJs). However, for what its worth, a lot of the mainline LAS flights are flown with 739 and 753 aircraft.


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7524 times:

AUS has 30 flights tomorrow:

11x IAH (6 mainline)
3x EWR (3 mainline)
2x IAD (1 mainline)
4x ORD
4x DEN (1 mainline)
4x SFO
2x LAX

It's actually pretty sad that AUS only sees 11 mainline UA flights these days.

Cheers,
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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6327 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 1):
1) In your own words, what's the difference between a "spoke city" and a "focus city?" Knowing your thinking on the matter will help to answer your question.

(2) Did you mean to have DFW on your list as a UA focus city?

Well since United doesn't have any true focus cities like Delta (RDU, BOS, DCA, LAX etc) I would consider most that have already been explorer as large spokes. It seems that the largest spokes for UA would be BOS, LAS, and SEA at least in the top 3.

However it seems the numbers have a little bit of variation to them. Does LAS really have 58 departures a day? That seems a little high. Ditto BOS at 51.

When I look up BOS for tomorrow I see:
SFO: x7 (now this unsually high. Usually only 5-6 in each direction)
IAD: x5 (this has been reduced some)
EWR: x11
LAX: x2
DEN: x4
ORD: x11
CLE: x5

TOTAL: 45

Where does the 51 come up? What cities get more flights on peak days?



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16825 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6202 times:

Your missing Houston (IAH).


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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):

Oh crap. You are right. I stand corrected.



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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1614 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

Top 10 "spokes" by May 2012 Average Daily Scheduled Departures:

LAS 50.65
BOS 43.90
SEA 42.90
SAN 39.71
PDX 39.58
LGA 36.87
FLL 36.03
MCO 35.77
DFW 35.45
MCI 33.61


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4217 times:
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Quoting tommy767 (Reply 15):
Ditto BOS at 51.

Okay -- I get it now.

I can't speak for the numbers in BOS. I do know that "attitude-wise" BOS/UA flyers consider themselves way, way more self-important than B6 flyers at the other end of the same concourse.

A couple of weeks ago when I arrived at too early for my 7pm flight, I went over on the B6 side of C Concourse to have a bite at 'Johnny Rockets' (also in Terminal 2 at ORD) and was surprised at the deer-in-the-headlights look of most of the flyers over there. Clearly few (if any) were business flyers. I'm guessing that in spite of the number of flights B6 sent out, a good number of the flyers may never have been on an airplane before.

By contrast -- over on the UA side, flyers paced back and forth on every blue 'Premier Elite' gate carpet. It is clear that few of these folks were *not* business flyers -- or dedicated, serious frequent-flyers.

Now . . . it's possible B6 and UA make about the same amount of money in Boston -- in spite of the number of flights dispatched -- because of the difference in types of fares -- and the number of premium seats -- each airline sells.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 19):

For some reason UA is strong in BOS. Now with CO in the mix, they actually dominate in certain markets. I'm not sure if they make the same amount of money as B6 though. B6 really has BOS flyers by the balls.

However, wasn't there a time back circa late 1990s where UA has most of the gates in C at BOS with TW?

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 18):

Kind of crazy that FLL has more departures than MCO -- yet not all the hubs are even served from FLL.



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User currently offlinedfambro From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 20):
For some reason UA is strong in BOS.

I can speak for why UA is popular with the biotechnology industry people in Boston, and that's a pretty significant industry here.
1 - good SFO schedule (biotech is big in the Bay Area, too)
2 - good Japan options, for connections with Japanese pharma companies
3 - Lufthansa partnership for EU travel. Two departure options (early evening and late evening) with one stop to most anywhere in Europe.

AA used to be very competitive, but has cut back travel from BOS more than UA. They do have the BA partnership too, which has the very nice morning departure to LHR plus multiple later departures.

JAL non-stop BOS-NRT is starting to strain some UA loyalty among those who have to travel to Japan frequently!


User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3080 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3629 times:

Where does SMF fall on this list? There are several daily departures to SFO, LAX, DEN, to a lesser extent ORD, and at one time (maybe still?) IAD. Obviously it's no where near the top, just curious though.

[Edited 2012-06-18 14:29:22]


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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Quoting dfambro (Reply 21):

Also does BOS have a lot within the financial sector? If so, that warrants the 7x daily BOS-SFO nonstops (West coast financial hub.)

Also the DC ties are quite strong even though Dulles is out in VA. UA has flown a 757 on BOS-IAD-BOS for years. Also BOS has nice connections to South America via the IAD hub with the 8pm flight.

EWR flights fits a nice niche into the BOS network. I'm sure there are some obvious business ties between NJ and Boston as well.

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 22):

Definitely significant but not as high as what has already been said: LAS, BOS, SEA, PDX, SAN followed by LGA, FLL, MCO and DFW.



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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1614 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 22):
Where does SMF fall on this list? There are several daily departures to SFO, LAX, DEN, to a lesser extent ORD, and at one time (maybe still?) IAD. Obviously it's no where near the top, just curious though.

On my list, it's 35th out of non-spokes with 22.1 daily dep average during May.


25 ramprat74 : I would imagine LAS going down to 39 flights a day in the future. The company doesn't want union ramp in more spoke cities. It will be interesting wha
26 USPIT10L : Interesting. Our lobby is busting at the seams in PIT. Express and mainline work side-by-side, except in the early morning, when it also is a madhous
27 Post contains links RDH3E : It appears there was another round of joint negotiations last week. http://www.unitednegotiations.com/employees/ramp-fleet-service/
28 BCEaglesCO757 : Yeah we are. I gotta think the BOS-NYC and BOS-WASH DC market are two of them. I always thought BOS was a focus city for UA myself. Before the merger
29 coffeepilot : MSY is one of the few cities with non-stops to all eight hubs.
30 dfambro : Not really, with US and DL doing shuttles on those routes.
31 BCEaglesCO757 : I was thinking in terms of hub flights for us. DL and US probably have us whipped in frequency,but capacity we may but up there with them. I honestly
32 STT757 : UA's BOS-EWR has substantially more capacity than DL's BOS-LGA. DL's BOS-LGA shuttle is all regional jets, 16 daily ERJ-175s (76 seats) for a total o
33 jfk777 : LHR is huge with the old UA flighst from LAX, SFO, IAD and ORD plus the Continental Newark and Houston flights. They have 18 flights daily including 5
34 tommy767 : UA has had an F/A base at BOS for a long time -- Ditto LAS and SEA (largest spokes!) There was a substantial amount of frequency to all the hubs befo
35 LHCVG : I agree that the market is split somewhat, but with the number of businesses on the Toll Road corridor, there probably are a decent number who have b
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