CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2201 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9337 times:
From your list today (maybe not the best because its Sunday) I get the following departures by city - including Express:
LAS is the largest and surely when mainline vs. express is calculated. Note: some of the business markets would be low on a weekend so take this with a grain of salt.
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2201 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8968 times:
Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 5): Try 30+. Are you including CLE, IAH and EWR? If you add AC, which is ground-handled by UA in PIT, it's about 35 right now.
As I had stated, I picked today's departures, which obviously doesn't include lots of cancelled morning flights. In my experience, the best day to check for an average day is Thursday. In any case, I don't think you'll see much difference in total flights, except that LAS would be higher than normal using a Sunday while airports like LGA and other business markets may be on the low side.
This could be taken to further heights, seat counts, ASMs, wide vs.narrow bodies, mainline vs. Express, jet vs. prop, etc. In any case, I think LAS will be the station with the most seats and ASMs and probably the most flights.
strfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 488 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7049 times:
a focus city is somewhere that's a manstay city that you'll sly to even if it BYPASSES one of your Hubs and where you make it a point to fly TO From your Hubs. Bostom LGA, JFK , Hartford, CN, (Bdl), OMA, MSP, DFW, PHX, LAS, SNA,SAM, SEA, just to name a few. for United.
Quoting CZ346 (Reply 9): HNL has a bunch of flights, but they all seem to be in and out of hubs.
HKG looks like 7 per day, but one of those is a 3 times per week 738 to GUM
By the way, its very close between LAS and BOS and BOS has the #1 ranking by total flights. On Thursday the end of June, BOS has 51 flights (7 are RJs) and LAS 47 (8 are RJs). However, for what its worth, a lot of the mainline LAS flights are flown with 739 and 753 aircraft.
tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5366 times:
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 1): 1) In your own words, what's the difference between a "spoke city" and a "focus city?" Knowing your thinking on the matter will help to answer your question.
(2) Did you mean to have DFW on your list as a UA focus city?
Well since United doesn't have any true focus cities like Delta (RDU, BOS, DCA, LAX etc) I would consider most that have already been explorer as large spokes. It seems that the largest spokes for UA would be BOS, LAS, and SEA at least in the top 3.
However it seems the numbers have a little bit of variation to them. Does LAS really have 58 departures a day? That seems a little high. Ditto BOS at 51.
When I look up BOS for tomorrow I see:
SFO: x7 (now this unsually high. Usually only 5-6 in each direction)
IAD: x5 (this has been reduced some)
Where does the 51 come up? What cities get more flights on peak days?
"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
I can't speak for the numbers in BOS. I do know that "attitude-wise" BOS/UA flyers consider themselves way, way more self-important than B6 flyers at the other end of the same concourse.
A couple of weeks ago when I arrived at too early for my 7pm flight, I went over on the B6 side of C Concourse to have a bite at 'Johnny Rockets' (also in Terminal 2 at ORD) and was surprised at the deer-in-the-headlights look of most of the flyers over there. Clearly few (if any) were business flyers. I'm guessing that in spite of the number of flights B6 sent out, a good number of the flyers may never have been on an airplane before.
By contrast -- over on the UA side, flyers paced back and forth on every blue 'Premier Elite' gate carpet. It is clear that few of these folks were *not* business flyers -- or dedicated, serious frequent-flyers.
Now . . . it's possible B6 and UA make about the same amount of money in Boston -- in spite of the number of flights dispatched -- because of the difference in types of fares -- and the number of premium seats -- each airline sells.
For some reason UA is strong in BOS. Now with CO in the mix, they actually dominate in certain markets. I'm not sure if they make the same amount of money as B6 though. B6 really has BOS flyers by the balls.
However, wasn't there a time back circa late 1990s where UA has most of the gates in C at BOS with TW?
I can speak for why UA is popular with the biotechnology industry people in Boston, and that's a pretty significant industry here.
1 - good SFO schedule (biotech is big in the Bay Area, too)
2 - good Japan options, for connections with Japanese pharma companies
3 - Lufthansa partnership for EU travel. Two departure options (early evening and late evening) with one stop to most anywhere in Europe.
AA used to be very competitive, but has cut back travel from BOS more than UA. They do have the BA partnership too, which has the very nice morning departure to LHR plus multiple later departures.
JAL non-stop BOS-NRT is starting to strain some UA loyalty among those who have to travel to Japan frequently!
Jetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2964 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2668 times:
Where does SMF fall on this list? There are several daily departures to SFO, LAX, DEN, to a lesser extent ORD, and at one time (maybe still?) IAD. Obviously it's no where near the top, just curious though.
RDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1059 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2470 times:
Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 22): Where does SMF fall on this list? There are several daily departures to SFO, LAX, DEN, to a lesser extent ORD, and at one time (maybe still?) IAD. Obviously it's no where near the top, just curious though.
On my list, it's 35th out of non-spokes with 22.1 daily dep average during May.
25 ramprat74: I would imagine LAS going down to 39 flights a day in the future. The company doesn't want union ramp in more spoke cities. It will be interesting wha
26 USPIT10L: Interesting. Our lobby is busting at the seams in PIT. Express and mainline work side-by-side, except in the early morning, when it also is a madhous
27 RDH3E: It appears there was another round of joint negotiations last week. http://www.unitednegotiations.com/employees/ramp-fleet-service/
28 BCEaglesCO757: Yeah we are. I gotta think the BOS-NYC and BOS-WASH DC market are two of them. I always thought BOS was a focus city for UA myself. Before the merger
29 coffeepilot: MSY is one of the few cities with non-stops to all eight hubs.
30 dfambro: Not really, with US and DL doing shuttles on those routes.
31 BCEaglesCO757: I was thinking in terms of hub flights for us. DL and US probably have us whipped in frequency,but capacity we may but up there with them. I honestly
32 STT757: UA's BOS-EWR has substantially more capacity than DL's BOS-LGA. DL's BOS-LGA shuttle is all regional jets, 16 daily ERJ-175s (76 seats) for a total o
33 jfk777: LHR is huge with the old UA flighst from LAX, SFO, IAD and ORD plus the Continental Newark and Houston flights. They have 18 flights daily including 5
34 tommy767: UA has had an F/A base at BOS for a long time -- Ditto LAS and SEA (largest spokes!) There was a substantial amount of frequency to all the hubs befo
35 LHCVG: I agree that the market is split somewhat, but with the number of businesses on the Toll Road corridor, there probably are a decent number who have b