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California Pacific Airlines Receives First Acft.  
User currently onlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 874 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 26978 times:
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For all the doubters in the previous topic here is a link to an article with a picture from the San Diego North County Times.


http://www.nctimes.com/business/firs...2-6205-5b4e-8a33-8db58647ea14.html

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User currently offlinepoLot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 26853 times:

Well, according to the article, it hasn't received its first aircraft yet, but soon it will. And while I think they will fly (how successful is another story) having an aircraft doesn't necessarily mean anything, as Baltia and Family Airlines prove.

[Edited 2012-06-18 05:41:05]

User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3371 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 26848 times:

How can they add SJD when I'd expect there is no FIS facility at CLD? I love the idea if this, a decent sized catchment area, I really hope they carve a niche for themselves. I had heard in a previous thread California Pacific intended to eventually serve PDX & SEA, but not initially.Any info on their future plans? Thanks for sharing freakyrat.


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User currently offlinesafetyDemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 26801 times:

Is this a former Republic Airways bird?


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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 26463 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
How can they add SJD when I'd expect there is no FIS facility at CLD?

They do have FIS at CRQ, they have for at least the last five years.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 25713 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
I had heard in a previous thread California Pacific intended to eventually serve PDX & SEA, but not initially.Any info on their future plans?

I thought the runway was too short to make it that far. Isn't it like 5 or 6 thousand feet? The E170 is not a good short-field airplane.

Quoting C767P (Reply 4):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
How can they add SJD when I'd expect there is no FIS facility at CLD?

They do have FIS at CRQ, they have for at least the last five years.

You must mean that they have CBP officers, how could they have an FIS? They have no service. The presence of officers is not the same as the ability to process scheduled passengers.


User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 25697 times:

We had no problems with the USAirways Express (well, mainline) EMB 170s in and out of Key West. These planes did so much better than the CRJ 700/CRJ 200/Embraer 135/145s.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25759 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 25460 times:

Carlsbad offers neither full FIS for commercial traffic, nor even is a designated Port of Entry by US CBP for GA traffic.

http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/...pection.ctt/airport_inspection.pdf

and California port of entry facilities
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/toolbox/contacts/ports/ca/

Instead the airport is what is know as a UFCS "user fee customs service", or basically on-call during limited service hours and with prior permission - similar to Long Beach airport for example.
There is per flight charge of about $1,200 on a larger business jet and which can cover the dozen pax at the FBO.

For info this program is slated also to expire in January 2013 - as USCBP has been unable to achieve full cost recovery which was a requisite when the program was established 4 years ago.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 25283 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
I thought the runway was too short to make it that far. Isn't it like 5 or 6 thousand feet? The E170 is not a good short-field airplane.

I would assume then that an E170 couldn't do a DEN-CLD run? I thought DEN would eventually be a good destination to/from CLD, but if this bird can't make the run...... oh well?

 


User currently offline3holer From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 24564 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
I thought the runway was too short to make it that far. Isn't it like 5 or 6 thousand feet? The E170 is not a good short-field airplane.

I beg to differ, the E-170 is an excellent short field airplane. Both landing and takeoff. Obviously penalties can be taken for climb gradient requirements and runway conditions just like any other airplane, but as a general rule it has excellent short field capabilities.

I would doubt they would have gotten this far if the airplane did not meet their needs.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 24515 times:

Just to clarify, commercial flights can operate internationally to a user-fee airport. But like LAXIntl states there are costs that must be reimbursed to CBP by airports with that status.

For example, FAT had user-fee status when MX started flights back in 2006. To offset the CBP charged costs, FAT put in place a per deplaned passenger charge that the Mexican airlines collected. I believe it was $15 per passenger in 2006

If I remember correctly, CBP will consider changing an airports status and then CBP covering inspection costs once an airport crosses a threshold of 15,000 or so international arrivals annually. But I am not sure the current minimum passenger number.

But even under user fee status, Carlsbad would need an approved FIS large enought to process a California Pacific flight, not just a small biz jet.



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User currently offlineboeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 24329 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 9):

I would assume then that an E170 couldn't do a DEN-CLD run? I thought DEN would eventually be a good destination to/from CLD, but if this bird can't make the run...... oh well?

It certainly can all day long...we run the ERJ170-200 from EYW to CLT (just shy of CRQ-DEN distance) and their ERJ170-100 would have no problems to DEN, PDX and SEA out of Carlsbad, CA.

Boeing727


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 23617 times:
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They have mentioned in the past that the SJD flight was supposed to only operate on the weekends.
SJD is supposed to come later after the intital cities. I figure once they decide to start up SJD, they'll
figure out the FIS situation. The first thing is to see how successful they are with the intial routes
before jumping into something international.



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User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 22041 times:

Did anyone else notice that the name of the airline spokesman is Tom Morrow?

Is this his real name, or is this some kind of spoof?



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User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 21694 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 12):

They should probably figure out the FIS issue before they decide to start up SJD.



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User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 20975 times:

Much as there will only ever be ONE Pan Am or ONE Braniff, there will only ever be ONE CP Air....regardless of a name imitation from a different country.


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User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 20576 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 10):
But even under user fee status, Carlsbad would need an approved FIS large enought to process a California Pacific flight, not just a small biz jet.

Wouldn't CLD benefit as an airport if a FIS was added? Given that, might the airport cover a portion of the costs of establishing a station there?

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 15):

Much as there will only ever be ONE Pan Am or ONE Braniff, there will only ever be ONE CP Air....regardless of a name imitation from a different country.

Seems like they'll be using the branding "California Pacific Airlines" (see livery), so it's all good.


User currently offlinegordomatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 20162 times:

Quoting Web (Reply 13):

Did anyone else notice that the name of the airline spokesman is Tom Morrow?

Is this his real name, or is this some kind of spoof?


Good catch. No, Thomas Morrow is for real. See 3rd bio down.
http://www.flycpair.com/team/teamBoard.htm



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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 19884 times:
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Quoting Web (Reply 13):
Did anyone else notice that the name of the airline spokesman is Tom Morrow?

Is this his real name, or is this some kind of spoof?
Quoting gordomatic (Reply 17):
Good catch. No, Thomas Morrow is for real. See 3rd bio down.

It took me a little while, I get it!!   



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 19067 times:

I'm very happy to see another positive step forward for Ed and the gang! As always, I wish the entire team the best of luck with this endeavor and I look forward to seeing their first revenue flight depart from Carlsbad in the not-too-distant future.

  

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(Hey it just occurred to me that perhaps I'll have to change my A.net screen name to CRQ/SANFan!)


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 18950 times:

Quoting boeing727 (Reply 11):
It certainly can all day long...we run the ERJ170-200 from EYW to CLT (just shy of CRQ-DEN distance) and their ERJ170-100 would have no problems to DEN, PDX and SEA out of Carlsbad, CA.

Thanks for the info..... so I guess then CLD/DEN could be a future route on California Pacific Airlines?


 


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 18533 times:
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I would love to see the finished product. I know it's somewhere around the end of the month, but I wonder
what day they'll bring it in to CLD? I'd love to see it, or someone could get some pix?



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 18505 times:

Quoting N202PA (Reply 16):
Wouldn't CLD benefit as an airport if a FIS was added? Given that, might the airport cover a portion of the costs of establishing a station there?

The question is the cost vs benefit of a FIS. That is a question the airport and locals would need to answer.

Cost (or proposed cost) to construct a FIS for commercial flights that I have seen for smaller airports (at BFL, LAN, MLI, SCK) the past few years has been in the $4 to $7 million range. The airport would pay that not the federal government.

Then there is the FIS staffing cost. Cost at smaller airports for FIS staff for commercial flights is thousands of dollars per week. That would need to be covered as a user-fee airport either directly or via passenger/airline fees.

I'm not sure I see growth potential for international service at Carlsbad beyond the proposed weekend flights to SJD. Being sandwiched less than 1 hour from the larger SAN to the south and SNA to the north seems to limit the potential for international flights. I can see potential for regional domestic flights but I don't see much potential for international.

Maybe the airport would think the FIS cost is worthwhile. But Bakersfield spent $7 million to build a FIS for GDL flights on Mexicana that started in 2007. Flights operated for only 1 year. BFL's customs station is still there to handle GA and some cargo but the FIS complex is largely unused. CLD would need to analyze cost vs benefit and the risk of a future unused building to decide if the expenditure made sense for the airport.



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User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5078 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 17773 times:

Quoting poLot (Reply 1):
And while I think they will fly (how successful is another story) having an aircraft doesn't necessarily mean anything, as Baltia and Family Airlines prove.

Never heard of Baltia. Family Airline is being run by a known con artist that went to prison for the first attempt of Family Airlines. Barry Michaels is back at it again, trying to find investors.... He last changed the name to Avatar Airlines. You can't compare Family Airlines to California Pacific! CP has gotten past a majority of hurdles, and has a heck of a team working to get this airline flying. They have what looks like a solid business plan, and good financial backing. CP has a team of strong talent, and this airline might just prove the nay sayers wrong. I have my bets that this airline will be successful. I doubt they will ever be massive in size, but I suspect they will find comfortable markets, and grow big enough to sustain healthy profits.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25759 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 17392 times:

As comparison, beyond the new terminal complex housing FIS, SNA must fund CBP to a tune of up to $2.8mil annually to have CBP available to screen up to 3 flights with no more than 150 passengers each between hours of 0800 and 1700. In addition SNA had to also fund $450,000 in government mandated equipment for the facility, plus even fund for CBP vehicle purchases. Additionally the airport would provide free rent, utilities etc for CBP facilities and office usage as part of the deal.

Quite a costly venture for small airports.



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25 PHX787 : Hello, the California Pacific plane- what is its registration?
26 murchmo : So, contrary to the thread title, they did not receive their first aircraft.
27 Post contains images RWA380 : Thanks LAX, I knew someone would know how SJD could ever be considered a destination, it seems SJD is increasing in popularity as a Mexico vacation d
28 flycpair : The registration number of our first Embraer 170 is N760CP. The aircraft was previously operated by Cirrus Airlines in Germany which formerly was a Lu
29 ScottB : I think HOU's tip would be: "Get the airline to pay for it."
30 RWA380 : Hey Randy, thanks for the info, we are pulling for your fledgling carrier, best of luck, seems like a solid business plan so far. If you do make it t
31 san747 : Agreed. And I, and hopefully plenty of other spotters, will be at CRQ for the first arrival and departure!
32 PHX787 : Hi, in Phoenix, which airport do you guys intend to serve? Sky Harbor (PHX) or Mesa (AZA) ?? Thanks, Z
33 flycpair : We plan on serving PHX (pending regulatory approval.)
34 Post contains images flycpair : The paint job on California Pacific's first Embraer 170 is almost done. Plane spotters may want to plan on spending Saturday morning at CLD. More deta
35 SANMAN66 : Great paint job! I hope someone will get lots of pictures of it at CLD!
36 san747 : Looks really nice!
37 Post contains images point2point : Hmmmm okay, the longest BA E170 flight from LCA is about 875 miles. Now, from SAN (since this is pretty close to CLD), DEN is within this range at 85
38 Post contains images PHX787 : lookin' good!!
39 N202PA : 2 questions: 1.) Are any of those BA 170 flights capacity/weight restricted? 2.) Could CP do this in order to buy more range out of CLD?
40 SANFan : Thanx for the update Randy. From what we've seen so far, looks like a pretty sharp livery you folks have come up with! Looking forward to the next ne
41 PHX787 : Off topic but where is a good spotting location in CLD? I may be be in SoCal this weekend for some leisure.
42 knope2001 : Republic flew E170 for Midwest Airlines daily for months on MCI-LAX at 1363 miles and MCI-BOS at 1256 miles. They also few some trips for MCI-SFO and
43 Post contains images point2point : I think that the issue though is the shorter runway at CLD.
44 knope2001 : Ahh...I see your point. Sorry!
45 EMBQA : Wait till ya see the whole plane....very sharp looking
46 sunking737 : We need PHOTOS !!! LOL
47 united319 : So glad to hear this is happening. I grew up flying in and out of CLD back in the day when the Terminal was a trailer (literally). The new Terminal is
48 N202PA : CR2, I would guess yes - they've flown into EYW on short hops, which has a similar runway length to CLD. CR7 probably not, unless it was capacity/wei
49 Post contains images flycpair : Our paint job is getting close to completion.
50 Post contains images PHX787 : Saw on the facebook it's gonna be a beautiful craft!
51 Alias1024 : CR7 is a better performer than the CR2 due to the addition of leading edge slats. At max gross weight both VR and Vref are about 10 knots lower on th
52 SANMAN66 : I've been wondering the same thing. I'm willing to bet that once CPAir starts flying, OO will upgrade to a CRJ before all the Brasilias are retired,
53 FOKKERF28 : Great looking paint job, cant wait to see it in the air.
54 Goldenshield : They could, yes, but there's a lot more at play than "Fly non-stop from point A to B.". People can still fly CLE-DTW-DEN instead of CLE-DEN non-stop
55 F9animal : Indeed! It looks like a very eye pleasing paint! I know its a while away, but is SEA still on the CP list of cities served?
56 RWA380 : I heard both PDX and SEA were on the list after their initial startup, there seems to be some debate on if their EMB aircraft is capable of a route l
57 Post contains images point2point : Okay, for now, for arguments sake, let's accept this as the standard, as it does have some basis. If this standard changes, then okay..... but for no
58 Goldenshield : There is more at play than just the length of the runway here. LCY is fairly flat. CLD slopes up to the west. The area LCY around is similarly flat. C
59 Post contains images point2point : Oh... WOW!..... really good at making everything really even more confusing now, eh?
60 WWTRAVELER99 : How can these times be correct? Currently (as I am sure you know LAXintl) the times for departure are MEX - 10:07 and SJD - 12:16. The flights return
61 spiritair97 : The colorscheme looks great! Can't wait to see the finished product!
62 ScottB : I doubt range for the DEN-CLD sector is much of a concern; the E170 operates DEN-CMH which is 1,154 miles. The E170 won't need anything approaching a
63 Post contains images point2point : Yes, you are correct...... forgot to put my thinking cap on, eh? Duh me....... At any rate, even with the shorter runways at CLD, I would think that
64 Post contains images SANFan : I think a lot of people are getting WAY ahead of themselves here. Let's get this operation off the ground first, give them a while to work out the kin
65 N202PA : Given that part of what people DO on A.net is speculate about the future of airlines, I don't see why CP would be any different! In that spirit...any
66 ScottB : How would they compete against WN's existing large operation at OAK with a higher-cost aircraft and less brand awareness -- not to mention AS's fligh
67 N202PA : Good points, but that could be said about just about ANY destination they choose on the west coast. WN is a 600-lb gorilla, no question, and AS in th
68 Post contains images point2point : lol....... good point..... Yes, I think that that far into the future we are allowed to venture....... and I'll venture that it's going to be a kool
69 C767P : There is nothing great around CRQ. The best bet is at the terminal/restaurant. It does not provide the best view of the runway but there is a good vi
70 ScottB : California Pacific identified a niche at CLD which is unserved and which they think is large enough to support an airline. What is the unserved niche
71 Post contains links ridgid727 : In an interview with Carlsbad Magazine, Vallas himself mentions Kansas City, Salt Lake City, and Houston. http://www.carlsbadmagazine.com/Stories/ted
72 SANFan : Ah yes, those were the cities he mentioned in a single interview done back in 2010 I believe. (All cities to the east of CLD, nothing to the north.)
73 ridgid727 : Would have to agree with you, although I do believe it will be less than 18 months after they get airborne, and Cal Pacific will be an express or con
74 doug_Or : head to head with WN on an E170? I think CPA's ability to operate out of CLD and tap that market is the best way foreward with the current fleet plan
75 N202PA : Business passengers who want to travel to regional destinations with less hassle than flying on the legacy carriers and better service than on Southw
76 Wingtips56 : Two photos of the California Pacific Airlines E170 appeared in FlightAware this morning, though they don't come up in a search now. One was on rotatio
77 Post contains links usxguy : You mean this picture? http://flightaware.com/photos/view/1...cca2a74d6e34cb447532/aircrafttype/
78 Wingtips56 : That's the one. There is another of it airborne. I didn't know how to post it in here, and didn't want to get hung up with copyright issues. I guess
79 Post contains images PHX787 : Still looks pretty good!
80 SANFan : Ooo, I like it! Ed must feel like a proud papa right about now -- handing out cigars maybe? Should be a great day at CLD tomorrow! Who plans on being
81 flycpair : Unfortunately the plane won't be coming back Saturday morning. Acquisition will be finalized on Monday from Embraer and the current plan is to fly it
82 EMBQA : It looks very good, although I thought the titles were a little faded looking....they might want to make the name stand out a bit more. You can see it
83 murchmo : So, contrary to the thread title, they did not receive their first aircraft.
84 spiritair97 : For those who (like me) could not get the flightaware pic, here is the pic from their facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=450237108
85 RWA380 : Well put, if CP can't provide a non-stop from CLD why would they want to compete in a saturated market, when they have a great niche market they are
86 Post contains links PHX787 : quite a few more http://flightaware.com/photos/aircraft/N176EC
87 Viscount724 : Have IATA and ICAO codes been assigned yet? (and ATC callsign?)
88 anonms : oooo I like that font.
89 Post contains images point2point : Nice plane....... Okay, let's see a couple a day of these in DEN sometime soon.....
90 N202PA : Is it truly a saturated market if few of the current players offer the same kind of product CP can survive? Also, niche markets can only go so far. T
91 Post contains images ghifty : Well.. their first E-170 is up in the air! Coming into Carlsbad tomorrow betwen 0845 and 0915.
92 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I don't know where you get that idea from - it is an insanely good short field performer, so is the 190. But it's worth realising that, thanks to reg
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