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SWA Begins To Retire The 500  
User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1539 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13228 times:
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Sadly the time has come when SWA is retiring the venerable 500 series of which they have 25. The first two (513 and 519) are in the desert awaiting their fate and both have around 62,000 hours and about the same number of cycles----we will all miss the 122 seat "shorty planes" and while these a/c were built for longer and thinner routes, their flights averaged about one hour....

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User currently offlinephishphan70 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13208 times:

Will make spotting at SJC a whole lot more bland now.......

User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13145 times:

By the end of the year I think WN should be down to 15 airframes.
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User currently offlinelat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12953 times:

Aren't the 500's newer than the 300s? I beleive they were also introduced by Boeing after the 300 with some modernizations and enhancements.

User currently offlinephishphan70 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12954 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 3):
Aren't the 500's newer than the 300s? I beleive they were also introduced by Boeing after the 300 with some modernizations and enhancements.

They may be, but their CASM is far far lower than the 300s. That's why the 600 is such a poor selling airplane too....


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12925 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 3):
Aren't the 500's newer than the 300s?

They are newer than the oldest -300s, but what matters more is that they don't bring in as much revenue and are only marginally cheaper to fly, while adding complication to the system.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12832 times:
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Ironically, I saw two WN 735's land over In 'N' Out one after the other at LAX.

User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12678 times:

Surely with fewer seats, the CASM would be higher, not lower.

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12636 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 3):
Aren't the 500's newer than the 300s?

In my mind, retiring the 500's before the 300's is putting the cart before the horse. I've flown a couple of WN 300's which should be retired.



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2351 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 12407 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 8):

In my mind, retiring the 500's before the 300's is putting the cart before the horse. I've flown a couple of WN 300's which should be retired.

Its easy to tell which planes WN is keeping, If it doesn't have winglets it wont be staying long.. It could also be due to the fact that their leases maybe ending.

Quoting lat41 (Reply 3):
Aren't the 500's newer than the 300s? I believe they were also introduced by Boeing after the 300 with some modernizations and enhancements

The -300s with winglets will be staying around longer, and will be approaching retirement by 2016, odds are they will be replaced by the 737MAX. Southwest typically keeps their planes between 20-25 years.

One final note, Shamu One ( N334SW ) will be retired this year so get your pics of her while you can. As of now, I am not sure which particular A/C or Nose number will replace 334s role as Shamu One. I am personally hoping for an -800.



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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12356 times:
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How long will the draw down last? Any guesses on the last routes?

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12264 times:

How many planes is WN recieving this year

User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2351 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12059 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 10):
How long will the draw down last? Any guesses on the last routes?

It seems as if the -500s are everywhere within the last few years, back in 2005 they pretty much stayed within Texas.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 11):
How many planes is WN recieving this year

As of now, there are 12 -800s on property, with 16 more to be delivered by the end of 2012.

So far they have converted 4 FL -700s with about 9 more sked to be converted by the end of 2012

If you spot a -700 with a 4 digit nose number, its a former FL machine, it has WIFI, and is in the new "Evolve" interior.



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12028 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 12):
Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 11):
How many planes is WN recieving this year

As of now, there are 12 -800s on property, with 16 more to be delivered by the end of 2012.

The latest 10Q states 31 -800s to be delivered in 2012 (26 owned, 5 leased). 40 -300/500's to be retired in 2012. in 2013 a further 41 -800s are slated to be delivered.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11862 times:

I probably should know the answer to this quesiton but is there any place I can find out where the -800s are flying? (Routes in general, or even specific daily appearances?) Are they actually scheduled now in specific markets or are they often just last-minute subs? Thanks in advance for any help with this.

bb


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2351 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11849 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 14):
I probably should know the answer to this quesiton but is there any place I can find out where the -800s are flying? (Routes in general, or even specific daily appearances?) Are they actually scheduled now in specific markets or are they often just last-minute subs? Thanks in advance for any help with this.

Off the top of my head:

BWI, LGA, LAS, PHX, MDW, FLL.. I am sure there might be more..



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User currently offlinealggag From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11627 times:

Good riddance. I'm a WN fan but I've disliked the -500s and they really didn't do anything that a -300 couldn't do.

User currently offlinegizmonc From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11595 times:

Try doing weight and balance on a 730-300 with no winglets opposed to a 737-500, Right off the bat, the 500 has 17 seats less so the MTOW is lower. It is so HARD to make it work on these HOT summer days with a LOADED 737-300 from the midwest to west coast. Load it up with sufficient fuel and 137 passengers, if there is any freight to take most chances it can not be loaded. Now give me a 737-500 with 17 less passengers and I can put up to 150 bags on that aircraft, some freight loaded with fuel to make it to the west coast. I have loaded a 727-500 probably 4 times out of the last week and no problem getting it to SAN, but had it been a 737-300 there would have been a major problem. GIVE me a 737-700 anyday opposed to a 737-300.

User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11425 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 15):

I saw one in SEA the other day, are they sending it there now too?


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1944 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11355 times:

Quoting cotparampguy (Reply 18):
I saw one in SEA the other day, are they sending it there now too?

Apparently, yes. Last Saturday I was looking on FlightAware, and it showed a 738 on MDW-SEA. Thinking it might be an error, I looked on WN's website, and sure enough there's a Saturday evening flight scheduled on a 738. It might be Saturday-only, but I haven't investigated it to be sure.

[Edited 2012-06-18 21:26:54]

User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11340 times:

Glad I rode on one last month, now knowing this. They'll be missed.


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User currently offlineunmlobo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11298 times:

I didn't know we were already beginning to retire the -500s.

I have always loved them, in fact it was one of my goals to get all 25 tail numbers in my passenger logbook. Sadly I will not get 513, but I have been on 519. Godspeed to you two birds, I guess I better start filling in the rest of the -500s to be log ASAP.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4811 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11256 times:
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Quoting n471wn (Thread starter):
we will all miss the 122 seat "shorty planes

Not all of us! Good riddance I say. They are a pain in the you-know-what to load. There is a serious lack of cargo bin space, yet they always seem to be routed on notoriously heavy flights out of SAN. They tell us to load them slightly front heavy, but there's about 1/2 the space up front compared to a -700. A SAN to HOU flight for example will have 120 bags and maybe a cart or two of freight and with today's bags, on a -500 if you're a decent stacker you might fit 50 bags up front.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 14):

I probably should know the answer to this quesiton but is there any place I can find out where the -800s are flying? (Routes in general, or even specific daily appearances?) Are they actually scheduled now in specific markets or are they often just last-minute subs? Thanks in advance for any help with this.

bb


I missed it, Bob, but SAN got a -800 last Monday! It was due to a swap up-line so I had no advance notice and was off that day.  



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User currently offlineUA735WL From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10976 times:

I will miss the WN shorty 737s...although I do think the 732 was more of a loss than these.


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User currently offlineAS739BSI From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10692 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 19):
Apparently, yes. Last Saturday I was looking on FlightAware, and it showed a 738 on MDW-SEA. Thinking it might be an error, I looked on WN's website, and sure enough there's a Saturday evening flight scheduled on a 738. It might be Saturday-only, but I haven't investigated it to be sure.

Wednesday of last week. After I arrived into SEA. There was an 800 parked at B8 which I thought was crazy but it had to be given it had ETOPS on the front gear door and the two window overwings.


25 cotparampguy : Yup that was it. I was flying out on B6 and saw it over there.
26 Post contains images BCEaglesCO757 : At CO...well United now, our -500's seat around 114 IIRC. I found them to be a pain on a route such as IAH-MEX as we make alot of stuff 'fit' on the
27 Silver1SWA : On a 737-500? I have a hard time believing that. Especially with the size of bags today, no way. in 8 years on the ramp, I have never seen 90-100 sta
28 SANFan : You have sort of answered my question... So please, MSP', tell me WHERE on "WN's website" did you find the information that "there's a Saturday eveni
29 na : The line neighbour of 519, a LH 735, has been scrapped last year. I doubt that many of SWAs 735, if any, will find a new operator. 735s built before
30 usflyguy : -800 MDW-SEA is daily for the evening flight.
31 mke717spotter : Are there any 300s without winglets still or is that only the 500s?
32 na : The old 733s which are being retired rather soon dont have winglets.
33 southwest737500 : It will be sad. I flew on 513 from TUL- DAL.
34 n471wn : Actually SWA now has 14 800's
35 Post contains images SEPilot : Which is exactly why Boeing built the NG's.
36 Post contains images SXDFC : 737-300s A/C 308-351, 657-699 737-500s A/C 501-528 Sorry for the wrong answer, saw elsewhere that it said 12, obviously now outdated! With the except
37 n471wn : actually 150 300's are still in service at SWA!!
38 MSPNWA : Well that answers that. One -800 flight a day. On the select flight page, click on the flight number. It will bring up some information that includes
39 SANFan : Thank you! I'll give it a try. bb
40 BCEaglesCO757 : That was in 2007. But 72. There were some carry-on size bags in there. But 72 is 72. Yeah..the lead said the same thing afterward. No way.
41 Post contains images NWAROOSTER : I think Southwest Airlines will hang on to the 737-300s as is it, most likely going to take a fairly long time to standardize AirTran's 737-700s to ma
42 flyhossd : Wait til you get -900s! As far as the -500 goes, it was fun to fly and easy to land well. As unwanted as they are, I've wondered why CO (now UA) didn
43 BCEaglesCO757 : At CO our 900's have carpets,front and back. So you can work it with 3 people. 3+the Lead. One guy in the bin loading or unloading. Same with the 757
44 SXDFC : The OLDER -300s is what I should have said..
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