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Alaska's 739 routes?  
User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 663 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

I'm curious as to where AS deploys their 737-900's. I'm guessing higher yielding routes like ANC-HNL, SEA-HNL, ANC-ORD, SEA-LAX, SEA-FLL and SEA-BOS but I can't think of any more. Someone care to offer some further info??

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User currently offlinemikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5383 times:
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It shows up here in SJC on occasion.


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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5296 times:
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SEA-LAS
SEA-DEN
SEA-PSP
SEA-ANC
SEA-ATL
SEA-AUS
SEA-ORD
SEA-DFW
SEA-LAX
SEA-MSP
BLI-LAS

I'm sure I missed a few


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5258 times:

They don't have the range for either the transcons (without westbound weight restrictions) or Hawaii, and they don't have ETOPS. So they are high volume haulers on shorter routes.

User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3280 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5246 times:

The 739s don't have the range for Hawaii. Besides, higher-yield doesn't mean more passengers...it means most revenue per passenger per mile.


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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5244 times:

They never operate to Hawaii since none of them are ETOPS. Also, AS pulled them off of transcon routes as they often took weight penalties, especially after the FAA increased passenger weights in 2003.

They go to high capacity routes and not high yield routes. SEA-LAX and SEA-ANC are AS' two busiest routes, and likewise get the 739s most frequently. With almost 20 flights a day in the summer season, SEA-ANC needs more 739s.



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5074 times:
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Some of the long-range flights may become 737-900ER routes like SEA-FLL, SEA-BOS, SEA-EWR. Like others said, 739s are not ETOPS. So you won't see them on Hawaii routes. Clickhappy has most of them covered, but I have seen them on SEA-OAK, SEA-SFO, SFO-PVR, LAX-PVR, LAX-SJD, SEA-SAN, LAX-YVR, SEA-PHX and SEA-FAI. On occasion, they have sent them on the SEA-AUS and SEA-JNU routes. Other airports you will not see 737-900's are SEA-SNA or SEA-BUR.

It'll be interesting what kind of airplane shuffling will go on when the 737-900ER's come online. Will some go on the higher-capacity Mainland-Hawaii routes. It has been stated that some will be deployed on East-West routes.


User currently offlineshnoob940 From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 4947 times:

Occasionally one is placed on #665, the morning service from DFW-SEA

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 4935 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
SEA-PHX

Saw one at PHX the other day.
http://flightaware.com/live/findflight/KSEA/KPHX/

if you look at AS only, you can see that occasionally the flight is operated by a 739.
Like this one: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...6/history/20120618/2040Z/KSEA/KPHX



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 4906 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
It'll be interesting what kind of airplane shuffling will go on when the 737-900ER's come online. Will some go on the higher-capacity Mainland-Hawaii routes.

Unless they get at least 1 aux fuel tank installed, I doubt it. CO had to heavily weight restrict their 737-900ER when they used them LAX-Hawaii to the point where they need a LF over 100% just to breakeven. CO quickly changed the flights back to the 737-800.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

The specific a/c model scheduled for each flight is available on the website thru either the schedule display or the booking engine, but not on the .PDF timetable. (You will generally have to click on "details" or "seats" to see the a/c type but the info is there.) Of course there are, as has been discussed on other threads, substitutions of a/c models all the time.

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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4709 times:
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Quoting ha763 (Reply 9):
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 6):It'll be interesting what kind of airplane shuffling will go on when the 737-900ER's come online. Will some go on the higher-capacity Mainland-Hawaii routes.
Unless they get at least 1 aux fuel tank installed, I doubt it.

And none will.



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User currently offlineyeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

No aux tanks from what Iv'e heard, but at least some will be delivered certified for ETOPS. So, if not Hawaii, then where?

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

Quoting ha763 (Reply 9):
Unless they get at least 1 aux fuel tank installed, I doubt it. CO had to heavily weight restrict their 737-900ER when they used them LAX-Hawaii to the point where they need a LF over 100% just to breakeven. CO quickly changed the flights back to the 737-800.

The comment about needing a 100%LF doesn’t make sense to me. UA still operates the 739ER into HNL from LAX. If an airplane is weight restricted, how could they have a 100% load factor? Are you talking about a 100% capacity capped load factor? UA has no shortage of cargo capacity to the islands, so they aren’t leaving cargo behind.

If UA was struggling to earn money using the 739ER because of range or fuel tank capacity, then I would think they would use a different airplane. They have ETOPS 738s and ETOPS 757s that they could use.

[Edited 2012-06-19 08:52:09]


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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3076 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

AS had a 739 on all flights to PVR a few years ago, including the seasonal PVR-SEA. That route was so borderline on range that they had to offload a bunch of luggage and route it through LAX for weight reasons. That was no appropriate equipment for that flight. A 738 would have been the right choice.

Problem is they didn't bother to tell anyway so we all had to go wait in an hour long line to claim lost luggage at SEA (it was apparently too difficult for PVR to send a list up to SEA and they page us in the baggage area to inform us our luggage is coming the next day). Off-topic, but I was really unimpressed with AS's PVR station in general. They were a very bad reflection on AS's normally high standards. The baggage fiasco and the fact that they dropped our seat assignments and tried to lie to me about it. Needless to say, AS heard about it the next day.

I'm surprised to see a 739 on BLI-LAS. I knew that flight was reasonably successful, but didn't know it was that good. 739s are not authorized to fly into SNA, AFAIK.


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

According to our database at ch-aviation based on Innovata schedule data, these routes are served this week:

From ANC: FAI, LAX, PDX, SEA
From LAX: ANC, ZIH, ZLO, PDX, PVR, SJD, SEA, YVR
From PDX: LAX, SAN
From SEA: ANC, ATL, AUS, ORD, DFW, IAH, JNU, LAS, LAX, MSP, PHX, SMF, SFO, STL, TUS



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User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3431 times:
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Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 13):
The comment about needing a 100%LF doesn’t make sense to me. UA still operates the 739ER into HNL from LAX. If an airplane is weight restricted, how could they have a 100% load factor? Are you talking about a 100% capacity capped load factor? UA has no shortage of cargo capacity to the islands, so they aren’t leaving cargo behind.

UA no longer operates the 739ER on any Hawaii routes. I remember reading about the BEP being over 100% LF, but I don't recall where. Since the 739ER had seats blocked due to weight restrictions, I would think it was based on the restricted capacity.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 13):
If UA was struggling to earn money using the 739ER because of range or fuel tank capacity, then I would think they would use a different airplane. They have ETOPS 738s and ETOPS 757s that they could use.

This is exactly what has happened. The only 737NG they use is the 738. LAX-HNL is now a mixture of 752, 753, and 738.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6474 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Thread starter):
I'm guessing higher yielding routes like ANC-HNL, SEA-HNL

Flights to and from Hawaii are not generally considered high yield.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3076 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 17):
Flights to and from Hawaii are not generally considered high yield.

That's the popular notion. However, Hawaii must being doing something right for AS considering that a significant portion of AS's ASMs (I think that's the correct measurement) are to Hawaii and their financial results are relatively successful these days. AS are no dummies. They wouldn't be expanding to Hawaii like gang-busters if they weren't profitable.


User currently offlineatct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2293 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

We dont see many -900's up here in Anchorage. The majority are 400s and 800's. IAH has been getting the -900's recently as well.

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User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Interestingly enough, I'm booked on a 737-900 on 9/11 SEA-JNU ^_^


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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 2581 times:
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Quoting rotating14 (Thread starter):


I'm curious as to where AS deploys their 737-900's.

I've flown the ANC-SEA. There's a 2am departure from ANC that meets the 6-7am bank in SEA. Amazing how many people are on that flight.

Years ago there was an IAD-SEA 739, but people tell me that -- given the distance -- they don't know why the plane didn't fall out of the sky.


User currently offlineN770WD From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 126 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 21):
Years ago there was an IAD-SEA 739, but people tell me that -- given the distance -- they don't know why the plane didn't fall out of the sky.

IAD-SEA is relatively short given where AS operated their 737-990s.
They operated IAD-SEA in 2004 and 2005 with excellent operational results - no diversions.
Taking July 2004 for example, AS 739s were assigned to the following transcons:

MIA-SEA 2724mi
MCO-SEA 2553mi
BOS-SEA 2496mi
EWR-SEA 2401mi
IAD-SEA 2306mi

For that month, no diversions en-route, but above-average arrival delays for the fleet.
I have no idea what payload hits were taken though, and what that meant for economics.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

Quoting N770WD (Reply 22):

For that month, no diversions en-route, but above-average arrival delays for the fleet.
I have no idea what payload hits were taken though, and what that meant for economics.

From what I remember, AS was taking payload hits and cutting seats over fuel stops. It’s up to the airline if they prefer a fuel stop or a payload restriction. I remember the Florida-SEA routes regularly having 16 seats blocked.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6474 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 18):
That's the popular notion. However, Hawaii must being doing something right for AS considering that a significant portion of AS's ASMs (I think that's the correct measurement) are to Hawaii and their financial results are relatively successful these days. AS are no dummies. They wouldn't be expanding to Hawaii like gang-busters if they weren't profitable.

I don't think that seeing a carrier is decreasing or increasing schedules in a particular market taken by itself is any indication of profitability.


25 seabosdca : They ran them BOS-SEA as well, which is quite a bit longer. That one had a few diversions, and it also always had seats blocked off. I flew the route
26 AS77W : We see the 739s a lot more in ANC during the summer rush. Lately, they have been running ANC-LAX on the 739 pretty consistently, along with numerous A
27 ASFlyer : I'm sure there were times when they blocked seats on MCO-SEA but I flew that regularly for a good year on the -900 and I don't recall many occasions
28 ASFlyer : It did not "always" have seats blocked off. It, more often than not, went out full to my recollection.
29 yellowtail : AS was having a difficult time at IAH..if the 739 is on there now..have loads improved?
30 HiFlyerAS : I believe that the 900ER will be debuting on the SEA-DCA route. It's curious that some will be ETOPS certified yet people seem to be saying that it wo
31 coopdogyo : Last week I was surprised to find myself on a very full 737-900 from SEA-BOS. So they are still used transcon from time to time.[Edited 2012-06-23 10:
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