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OAG Changes 6/22/2012:AA/AS/DL/FL/UA  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7338 posts, RR: 14
Posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11490 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

5W EWR-KEF JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0 NOV 0.5>0 DEC 0.4>0 JAN 0.4>0 FEB 0.4>0

AA CLE-LGA SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
AA DCA-RDU SEP 7>6 OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7 DEC 7>6 JAN 8>7 FEB 7>6
AA DFW-ACT SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA DFW-AEX SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
AA DFW-BOS SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9
AA DFW-CLL SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
AA DFW-CUN OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5
AA DFW-EVV SEP 1.0>1.8 OCT 1.0>1.9
AA DFW-GPT SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
AA DFW-IAD SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
AA DFW-LAS AUG 10>11 SEP 10>12 OCT 10>12 NOV 10>12 DEC 10>12 JAN 10>12 FEB 10>12
AA DFW-LAW SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
AA DFW-MEX SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
*AA DFW-MZT SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
AA DFW-PNS SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6
AA DFW-PSP OCT 2>3
*AA DFW-PVR SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>3 NOV 1.1>3 DEC 1.2>3 JAN 1.1>3 FEB 1.1>3
AA DFW-SAF SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
AA DFW-SHV SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8
AA DFW-SJD OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
AA DFW-SJU SEP 1.0>1.2 OCT 1.0>1.1
AA DFW-SLC SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AA DFW-SPS SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4
AA DFW-TRC AUG 2>1.6 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 2>1.5
AA DFW-TYR SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA DFW-VPS SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6 NOV 6>5 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
AA DFW-XNA OCT 8>9 NOV 8>9 DEC 8>9 JAN 8>9 FEB 8>9
AA JFK-DCA SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6
AA LAX-BNA SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
AA LAX-DFW SEP 19>18 OCT 19>18 NOV 19>18 DEC 19>18 JAN 19>18 FEB 19>18
AA LAX-MRY SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4
AA LAX-RNO SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4
AA LAX-SJD SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.7 NOV 1.0>1.3
AA LGA-RDU SEP 9>10 OCT 9>10 NOV 9>10 DEC 9>10 JAN 9>10 FEB 9>10
*AA MIA-ASU NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.6 FEB 0>0.6
AA MIA-BWI SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA MIA-CUN SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA MIA-DCA SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8
AA MIA-DEN SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
AA MIA-FPO SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
AA MIA-JAX SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4
AA MIA-LAX SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7
AA MIA-MHH SEP 1.3>1.0 OCT 1.3>1.0 NOV 1.3>1.0 DEC 1.3>1.0 JAN 1.3>1.0 FEB 1.3>1.0
AA MIA-PUJ SEP 1.0>1.6 OCT 1.0>1.6 NOV 1.5>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
AA MIA-STL SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
AA ORD-DFW SEP 19>18 OCT 19>18 NOV 19>17 DEC 19>16 JAN 19>16 FEB 19>16
AA ORD-FLL SEP 2>1.0 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
AA ORD-MIA SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8
AA ORD-PSP OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0.5>1.5 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2
AA ORD-RSW SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.5>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
AA ORD-SDF SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
AA ORD-SEA SEP 5>6
*AA ORD-SJD OCT 0>1.1 NOV 0.5>1.7 DEC 1.0>3 JAN 1.0>3 FEB 1.0>3
AA ORD-STL SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8 NOV 9>8 DEC 9>8 JAN 9>8 FEB 9>8
AA ORD-TVC SEP 1.8>3 OCT 1.9>3 NOV 1.9>3 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.9>3 FEB 1.9>3

AI EWR-BOM JUL 1.0>0
AI JFK-DEL JUL 1.0>0
AI ORD-DEL JUL 1.0>0

...and the roulette wheel this week lands on...
AM FAT-GDL JUL 0.4>1.0 AUG 0.4>0.8
AM LAS-MEX OCT 3>1.8
AM MIA-CUN SEP 0.3>0
AM SAT-MTY OCT 0.5>0.8

AS LAX-MZT NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.9 FEB 1.0>0.9
AS LAX-ZIH NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.9
AS LAX-ZLO NOV 0.7>0.3 DEC 0.7>0.6 JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.6
*AS OGG-SAN NOV 1.6>1.1 DEC 1.6>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.6>1.0
*AS OGG-SMF NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0
AS PDX-OGG NOV 1.5>1.9 DEC 1.5>2 JAN 1.6>2 FEB 1.6>2
AS SJC-GDL DEC 0.6>0.8 JAN 0.5>1.0 FEB 0.6>1.0
AS SJC-SJD DEC 0.3>0.7 JAN 0.3>1.0 FEB 0.3>1.0

B6 JFK-BGI SEP 0.9>0.8 OCT 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-LIR OCT 0.7>0.5
B6 JFK-STI SEP 5>6 OCT 4>5
B6 JFK-SXM SEP 0.9>0.7
B6 SJU-SDQ SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 1.9>3

BTV DIC-CGK JUL 0.6>0.2 AUG 0.6>0.1 SEP 0.6>0.2 OCT 0.6>0.1 NOV 0.6>0.1 DEC 0.6>0.2 JAN 0.5>0.1 FEB 0.6>0.1
BTV DIC-DPS JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4

DL ATL-AMS NOV 1.5>1.7 DEC 1.6>1.7 JAN 1.6>1.7 FEB 1.6>1.7
*DL ATL-BCN NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0 FEB 0.6>0
DL ATL-BTR SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9
DL ATL-HSV DEC 7>8
DL ATL-NAS JAN 3>4
*DL ATL-PUJ OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.5>2
DL ATL-ROA NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
DL ATL-SJC OCT 1.0>0.7 NOV 1.0>0.7
**DL ATL-SWF SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.8>0 DEC 1.9>0 JAN 2>0 FEB 2>0
DL BOS-MCI SEP 1.7>1.0 OCT 1.9>1.0 NOV 1.8>0.9 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.7>1.0 FEB 1.9>1.0
DL CMH-RDU NOV 1.6>0.8
DL DTW-CDG NOV 1.0>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.7 JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.7
DL DTW-CMH JAN 5>6 FEB 5>7
DL DTW-DLH NOV 1.8>1.0 DEC 1.9>1.0 FEB 1.5>1.0
DL DTW-ICN JAN 0.9>1.0 FEB 0.9>1.0
DL DTW-ORF FEB 4>5
DL DTW-YYZ SEP 8>7
DL JFK-DKR NOV 0.4>0.3 DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3
*DL JFK-PRG NOV 0.6>0.3 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0 FEB 0.6>0
DL LGA-BGR OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
DL LGA-CHS SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5
DL LGA-MCO SEP 7>6
DL LGA-MSY SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4 NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4 FEB 3>4
*DL LGA-OMA SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0
DL LGA-SDF SEP 1.4>3 OCT 1.6>3 NOV 1.5>3 DEC 1.5>3 JAN 1.6>3 FEB 1.6>3
DL LGA-SYR SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
DL MSO-MSP FEB 1.5>1.0
DL MSP-YQR SEP 1.9>1.8 OCT 2>1.9
DL MSP-YXE SEP 1.9>1.8 OCT 2>1.9
DL MSP-YYC OCT 4>3
DL ORD-CDG NOV 0.7>0.6 DEC 0.7>0.6 JAN 0.7>0.5 FEB 0.7>0.6
DL SEA-CDG NOV 1.0>0.9 DEC 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.9
DL SLC-BIL OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
DL SLC-GDL SEP 0.1>0
DL SLC-OAK JAN 3>4
DL SLC-YVR SEP 1.9>1.6 OCT 2>1.5 NOV 1.9>1.7 DEC 2>1.8
DL SLC-YYC SEP 1.8>1.9 OCT 1.9>2

F9 ORD-PUJ JUL 0.2>0

FL ATL-RIC DEC 3>4
WN route route transitions
FL EYW-TPA NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0
FL MCO-EYW NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0
FL MCO-MSP NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0
FL MKE-BOS NOV 3>0.4 DEC 2>0
FL MKE-BWI NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0
FL MKE-FLL NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0
FL MKE-LGA NOV 3>0.3 DEC 3>0
FL MKE-MSP NOV 5>0.4 DEC 5>0
FL MKE-SFO NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0

G4 ATW-AZA DEC 0.3>0.2
G4 AZA-DLH DEC 0.3>0.2
G4 BIL-LAX NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 BLI-HNL NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3
G4 BLI-LAS DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>1.8 FEB 3>1.9
G4 BLI-OGG NOV 0>0.2 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3
G4 EUG-HNL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3
G4 FAT-HNL DEC 0.2>0.3 JAN 0.1>0.3 FEB 0.1>0.3
G4 FLL-LEX DEC 0.3>0.2
G4 FLL-PBG JAN 0.6>1.3 FEB 0.6>1.3
G4 FSD-LAX NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 GFK-LAS DEC 0.6>0.4
G4 GFK-SFB DEC 0.3>0.2
G4 GRR-LAS DEC 0.3>0.2
G4 GSP-PIE DEC 0.4>0.3 JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3
G4 ILM-SFB DEC 0.3>0.2
G4 LAS-PIA DEC 0.6>0.4
G4 LAS-SGF NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.6>0.4
G4 LAX-MSO NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 LAX-PSC NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 LAX-XNA NOV 0.3>0.1
G4 MRY-HNL DEC 0>0.1 JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1
G4 OWB-SFB DEC 0.6>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0.3
G4 SCK-HNL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3
G4 SFB-TYS DEC 0.6>0.4
G4 SFB-XNA DEC 0.6>0.4
G4 SMX-HNL DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3

*JL SAN-NRT DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.6

LA LAX-LIM OCT 1.5>1.8

TS FLL-YQB NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3
TS FLL-YUL NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.5
TS FLL-YYZ NOV 0>0.1
TS MCO-YQB JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1
TS MCO-YUL NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.6
TS MCO-YWG JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1
TS MCO-YYZ NOV 0>0.1 DEC 0.1>0.3 JAN 0.2>0.4 FEB 0.1>0.5

UA CLE-FLL DEC 1.3>2
UA CLE-PWM NOV 0.2>0.1 DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.2>0.1
UA DEN-ABQ NOV 5>6
UA DEN-BIL NOV 4>5
UA DEN-BIS NOV 4>5
UA DEN-CPR NOV 4>5
UA DEN-DFW SEP 5>6
UA DEN-EGE NOV 1.9>1.2
UA DEN-ELP NOV 3>4
UA DEN-FAR NOV 3>4
UA DEN-LAS NOV 4>5
UA DEN-MSN NOV 3>4
UA DEN-OKC NOV 4>5
UA DEN-PDX SEP 4>5 NOV 4>5
UA DEN-TUL NOV 4>5
UA DEN-TUS NOV 5>4
UA EWR-LAS NOV 7>6
UA EWR-PWM OCT 4>5
UA EWR-RDU OCT 7>8
UA EWR-YQB NOV 4>3
UA EWR-YUL NOV 6>5
UA FLL-TCB JUL 1.2>1.3 AUG 1.1>1.3 SEP 1.2>1.3 OCT 1.1>1.3
UA IAD-DTW SEP 3>4
**UA IAH-BPT JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0
UA IAH-BTR OCT 9>8
UA IAH-CLL OCT 6>5 NOV 6>4 DEC 6>4 JAN 6>4 FEB 6>4
UA IAH-COS OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
UA IAH-GJT OCT 1.5>1.0 NOV 1.6>1.0
UA IAH-GRK OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4
UA IAH-GSP OCT 1.9>3
UA IAH-HSV OCT 4>3
UA IAH-IAD NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5
UA IAH-JAN OCT 5>6
UA IAH-MIA OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 FEB 4>5
UA IAH-MSY OCT 11>10 NOV 11>10
UA IAH-ONT OCT 3>1.9
UA IAH-ORF SEP 1.8>1.0 OCT 1.9>1.0 NOV 1.9>1.0 DEC 2>1.4
UA IAH-RSW OCT 3>1.0 NOV 3>1.9
UA IAH-SJC OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2
UA IAH-SMF OCT 3>2
UA LAX-DEN NOV 8>7
UA LAX-KOA DEC 1.0>1.4
UA ORD-BTV SEP 4>5
UA ORD-DAY SEP 6>7
UA ORD-DLH NOV 1.9>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3
UA ORD-DSM SEP 6>7
UA ORD-DTW SEP 7>8
UA ORD-GSP OCT 3>4
UA ORD-PWM SEP 3>4
UA ORD-RAP SEP 2>3
UA ORD-SPI OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
UA ORD-TVC SEP 3>4
UA SFO-IAD DEC 11>10
UA SFO-KOA DEC 2>1.4
UA SFO-KOA NOV 2>1.9 DEC 2>1.4
UA SFO-RDD SEP 4>3

UX JFK-MAD JAN 0.5>0.3 FEB 0.6>0

VW SAT-SLW JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.4>0 DEC 0.4>0 JAN 0.4>0 FEB 0.4>0

Schedule extension
VX BOS-LAX JAN 0.4>1.6 FEB 0>1.8
VX BOS-SFO JAN 0.6>1.9 FEB 0>1.6
VX DCA-<

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11511 times:

VX DCA-SFO JAN 0.2>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
VX DFW-LAX JAN 0.6>3 FEB 0>3
VX DFW-SFO JAN 0.6>3 FEB 0>3
VX FLL-LAX JAN 0.5>3 FEB 0>3
VX FLL-SFO JAN 0.5>1.8 FEB 0>1.8
VX IAD-LAX JAN 0.5>3 FEB 0>2
VX IAD-SFO JAN 0.8>4 FEB 0>4
VX JFK-LAS JAN 0.2>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
VX JFK-LAX JAN 1.4>6 FEB 0>6
VX JFK-SFO JAN 1.1>5 FEB 0>5
VX LAS-SFO JAN 1.7>8 FEB 0>8
VX LAX-CUN JAN 0.2>0.6 FEB 0>0.6
VX LAX-MCO FEB 0>0.9
VX LAX-ORD JAN 0.6>3 FEB 0>1.9
VX LAX-PDX JAN 0.5>2 FEB 0>2
VX LAX-PHL JAN 0.7>3 FEB 0>2
VX LAX-SEA JAN 0.9>4 FEB 0>4
VX LAX-SFO JAN 1.8>8 FEB 0>8
VX MCO-SFO JAN 0.2>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
VX ORD-SFO JAN 0.7>3 FEB 0>1.7
VX PDX-SFO JAN 0.2>1.0 FEB 0>1.0
VX PHL-SFO JAN 0.5>1.9 FEB 0>1.9
VX PSP-SFO JAN 0.2>1.0 FEB 0>1.1
VX SAN-SFO JAN 1.1>5 FEB 0>4
VX SEA-SFO JAN 0.8>4 FEB 0>4
VX SFO-CUN FEB 0>0.2
VX SFO-PVR JAN 0.2>0.5 FEB 0>0.4
VX SFO-SJD JAN 0.2>0.8 FEB 0>0.7

WP BIL-GGW JUL 0.7>0.2
WP GGW-OLF JUL 1.7>0.6

YV HNL-LIH AUG 8>9
YV HNL-OGG JUL 8>7 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8
YV LIH-HNL AUG 8>9
YV LIH-OGG JUL 1.3>1.0 AUG 1.4>1.0
YV OGG-HNL JUL 8>7 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8 FEB 7>8
YV OGG-LIH JUL 1.3>1.0 AUG 1.4>1.0


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6632 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 11251 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-PNS SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 5>6

Glad to see PNS keep the 6th flight.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL ATL-SWF SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.8>0 DEC 1.9>0 JAN 2>0 FEB 2>0

So much for SWF as the fourth NYC airport. They can't maintain any service.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LGA-OMA SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0

I figured this one might work, but apparently not.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**UA IAH-BPT JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0

This leaves BPT with no airline service. It joins the ranks of many other small cities that have lost all air service.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 11214 times:

Is it just me or is UA at DEN getting some adds and IAH is getting some cuts?


"KEEP CLIMBING" -- DELTA
User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2245 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 11216 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-BNA SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2

So much for all the ANet rumours that "AA will have to drop LAX-BNA soon".......



Seaholm Maples are #1!
User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 408 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 11101 times:
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Quoting tommy767 (Reply 3):
Is it just me or is UA at DEN getting some adds and IAH is getting some cuts?

Not just you. DEN and ORD growing, IAH shrinking. The start of UA following through with their 10% IAH capacity cut?


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 11050 times:

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 5):

I guess so. I just didn't believe them initially. Good for DEN though -- after many months of trims.



"KEEP CLIMBING" -- DELTA
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10672 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**DL ATL-SWF SEP 1.8>0 OCT 1.9>0 NOV 1.8>0 DEC 1.9>0 JAN 2>0 FEB 2>0
So much for SWF as the fourth NYC airport. They can't maintain any service.

I just something about the P of NYNJ launching an effort for SWF. I guess that's not working out. They need an LCC.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LGA-OMA SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0

I figured this one might work, but apparently not.

Is F9 flying OMA-DCA or LGA still?

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**UA IAH-BPT JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0

This leaves BPT with no airline service. It joins the ranks of many other small cities that have lost all air service.

EAS?

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 3):
Is it just me or is UA at DEN getting some adds and IAH is getting some cuts?

Well, DEN gave them $22m per year in rent breaks screwing the other airlines and HOU has pissed them off. Of course, IAH is almost certainly way more profitable than DEN, but lets not make decisions based on profits.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 4):

So much for all the ANet rumours that "AA will have to drop LAX-BNA soon".......

Rumors are often just...


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Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10588 times:

Surprised about the Beaumont cuts.
Victoria did not surprise me that much but the "Golden Triangle" area will probably go after AA to DFW now or even DL to ATL I'd presume.

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Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10589 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):

How did they screw the other airlines by giving UA 22 mill in rent breaks? Also, I beg the differ over IAH. I don't think everything they fly is profitable.



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Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10499 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
I just something about the P of NYNJ launching an effort for SWF. I guess that's not working out. They need an LCC.

They have B6. SWF is never going to be a valid alternative NYC airport. It's 60 miles North of NYC, the population bands around the NYC metropolitan areas flow East/West from Suffolk County on Long Island and Fairfield County in Connecticut through NYC and West through New Jersey. Orange County NY (SWF) 60 miles North is outside the population band of the NYC area.



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Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10276 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS OGG-SAN NOV 1.6>1.1 DEC 1.6>1.0 JAN 1.6>1.0 FEB 1.6>1.0
*AS OGG-SMF NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0 JAN 1.4>1.0 FEB 1.4>1.0
AS PDX-OGG NOV 1.5>1.9 DEC 1.5>2 JAN 1.6>2 FEB 1.6>2


Although nothing was ever said (by AS) about this additional SAN/SMF-Maui capacity being seasonal (or temporary) when it was added, I assumed it might be. (In fact nothing was ever said about the added capacity, period!) Some of the lift is obviously going to PDX-OGG for the winter which makes sense.

Or maybe it was simply too many seats in those two non-competitive markets. In any case, it was great to see it while it lasted.

(And I continue to hope that if some ETOPS-a/c time again becomes available next year, AS will use some of it to launch SAN to KOA and LIH...)

bb


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Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10184 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 SJU-SDQ SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6 FEB 1.9>3

Guess the flights are doing well

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**UA IAH-BPT JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0

I have flown this many times and it was always full. but I doubt they were making nay money. BPT is practically a suburb of houston these days and will all the security lines etc...may just be faster and cheaper to drive now.



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Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*JL SAN-NRT DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.5 FEB 0>0.6

787 route. Glad to see this finally loaded!


Also not loaded yet, the BA flight from LHR to PHX is going to be increased to daily starting in december (see my other thread)



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9769 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Reply 7):

How did they screw the other airlines by giving UA 22 mill in rent breaks? Also, I beg the differ over IAH. I don't think everything they fly is profitable.
http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/ne...02/denver-council-panel-backs.html
United Airlines could cut its annual lease payments to Denver International Airport by $22 million a year if it ramps up its traffic at the airport, according to a deal backed Wednesday by a Denver City Council committee.
The deal is structured so that DEN-NRT and a few other tiny things meet the requirement.

Heck estimated that of DIA's other major airlines, Frontier Airlines is likely to see its annual lease payments reduced by $2 million under the deal and Southwest Airlines is likely to save $1 million.
http://www.denverpost.com/businessheadlines/ci_20598032?source%3DAP
The service increase requirement "raises the question of whether the relief United is receiving is essentially a United-centric marketing incentive masquerading as a facilities deal," wrote Robert Ashcroft, Frontier's senior vice president of finance.
The agreement was approved, Tokyo was announced the next day, and F9/WN said they would go to FAA. A DIA spokesperson said go for it.

In order to do this, they took an excess of PFC money and used it to pay off debt for projects that 88% benefited UA. Additionally, WN is now the largest O&D airline at DIA. Since customer parking is typically the largest generator of airport revenue, it is hard to imagine how UA would get 88% of the money.

Also, how about this one...DEN's PFC funds were originally fully committed. The huge surge in service by WN (F9 and UA are down from their peak) directly resulted in the PFC excess that was used to pay off UA's debt. So, the airport used revenue raised essentially exclusively from WN customers to pay off debt 88% benefiting UA.

Meanwhile, UA complains they got a raw deal in Houston. ROTFL

Doug Parker had a study recently showing IAH was one of the most profitable hubs in the USA. DEN is clearly a warzone with three carriers fighting. It was not on the list. Is "everything" profitable at IAH? Of course not. There's always a mix, but on the whole it makes a lot of money.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
They have B6.

Forgot about that. They barely fly there, though, right?

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
SAN/SMF-Maui capacity being seasonal (or temporary) when it was added, I assumed it might be.

Winter is peak, right? So it isn't a seasonal adjustment.


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Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9579 times:

I don't get why in the fall and winter, AA is cutting R/Ts between ORD and DFW. Considering the feed into the DFW hub, as well as the need to reroute people due to snow in Chicago, cutting down R/Ts doesn't make sense.

By the same token, adding a R/T on ORD-SEA in the fall also doesn't make sense. The cruise ship season ends in September. You would think that would take the schedule down 1 R/T.

And reducing ORD-MIA doesn't make sense. Considering that MIA is growing as a connection hub, and the amount of cruise traffic out of MIA, reducing the schedule makes no sense.


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Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9554 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Doug Parker had a study recently showing IAH was one of the most profitable hubs in the USA.

IAH needs better optimization. Stop flying the E145s to every point in the southeast and the countless 738s to South America. They also don't fly to nearly all the Latam destinations the could possibly fly to like AA does out of MIA.

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Also, how about this one...DEN's PFC funds were originally fully committed. The huge surge in service by WN (F9 and UA are down from their peak) directly resulted in the PFC excess that was used to pay off UA's debt. So, the airport used revenue raised essentially exclusively from WN customers to pay off debt 88% benefiting UA.

I mean, United has had a hub in Denver for how many years? Southwest, only a few...



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6220 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9318 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 16):
They also don't fly to nearly all the Latam destinations the could possibly fly to like AA does out of MIA.

But they fly to pretty much everyone that can be profitable from IAH....they even tried some like CLO for a few years but had to cut them.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9312 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 16):
Stop flying the E145s to every point in the southeast and the countless 738s to South America.

You could give the same advice regarding ATL to DL and would make just as much sense, none.



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User currently onlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8671 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 15):

I don't get why in the fall and winter, AA is cutting R/Ts between ORD and DFW. Considering the feed into the DFW hub, as well as the need to reroute people due to snow in Chicago, cutting down R/Ts doesn't make sense.

By the same token, adding a R/T on ORD-SEA in the fall also doesn't make sense. The cruise ship season ends in September. You would think that would take the schedule down 1 R/T.

And reducing ORD-MIA doesn't make sense. Considering that MIA is growing as a connection hub, and the amount of cruise traffic out of MIA, reducing the schedule makes no sense.

I suspect that the reason for the cuts is the lower demand for travel in general in the fall and winter. They may adjust the schedules to make up for the cut flights.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3368 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8476 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS PDX-OGG NOV 1.5>1.9 DEC 1.5>2 JAN 1.6>2 FEB 1.6>2

Looks like AS is taking good advantage of HA dropping this route earlier in the year. Thanks to AS for increasing frequency.



AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8467 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 20):
Looks like AS is taking good advantage of HA dropping this route earlier in the year. Thanks to AS for increasing frequency.

Was that HA route usually empty? Because a 767 is quite a bit different in the seat count than a couple of 737s (depending on the model, of course)



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3368 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8292 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
Was that HA route usually empty? Because a 767 is quite a bit different in the seat count than a couple of 737s (depending on the model, of course)

I don't think it was running empty, but obviously HA felt the aircraft would be better used flying OAK-OGG 4x weekly and SJC 3x weekly. I do agree 2 738's are lesser seats than a 738 and a 763 daily, maybe 2 738's is the right amount of lift.



AA AC AQ AS BD BN CO CS DL EA EZ HA HP KL KN MP MW NK NW OO OZ PA PS QX RC RH RW SA TG TW UA US VS WA WC WN
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Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7820 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN route route transitions
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
FL MKE-LGA NOV 3>0.3 DEC 3>0

Even I'm somewhat surprised that they haven't moved one or two of these flights to another city yet. I'm confident that they'll keep at least a few of the MKE-DCA/LGA flights, but if we do indeed lose some LGA it'd be nice if they added EWR in exchange.



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Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7585 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 2):Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LGA-OMA SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0

I figured this one might work, but apparently not.
Is F9 flying OMA-DCA or LGA still?

Yup to OMA-DCA....essentially the same twice-daily schedule that legacy YX started in 1995.
Nope to OMA-LGA...that one F9/YX never flew. OMA-EWR on YX ran from roughly 1995 to 2002 1x/day but was killed when CO* came into OMA-EWR with multiple RJ's.


25 B595 : The recent thread about B6 cancelling BTV-MCO appears to have been deleted. Is this because the BTV-MCO cancellation was unsubstantiated? Anyone know?
26 SANFan : PDX-HI would undoubtedly be peak season in the winter but I would expect SAN-HI is busier in the summer. (SMF-OGG I have no idea.) In any case, AS ap
27 PSU.DTW.SCE : Well they are keeping DTW-SWF, but that can be flown with 50 seat RJs. Due to the distance under DL's rules, ATL-SWF needs to be flown with a 2-class
28 stburke : Wow, I had no idea any of this was going on. I'll be sure to dig in to this one. It's a bit odd they'd add one daily to BIS as well as FAR after F9 h
29 gigneil : That's crap. Houston was scheduled as if it were the only hub west of New York. It no longer is. Now it's being scheduled for what it is - a moderate
30 FlyingSicilian : that's "crap" too as you call it. It is (depending on survey source dates) the highest or one of the highest air fare markets in the country for o/d
31 SCL767 : LA LIM-LAX 1.4>1.9 LAN increases LIM-LAX to 13x weekly in October.
32 RWA380 : Well except our daily HA 763 running to HNL, in the past we have seen, NW, PA, BN, UA, CO. Now just AS & HA.
33 drerx7 : Smoke and mirrors my friends...smoke and mirrors. Every time this thread comes up we have these discussions. These are the annual seasonal reductions
34 Post contains images enilria : Well, whenever the airline is truly fleet combined they can run a FAM (Fleet Assignment Model) and fix those types of problems. The United PFC funds
35 ScottB : B6 maintains enough presence at SWF to dissuade other potential LCC's from entering the market. For the northern fringes of the NYC metro, SWF is an
36 tommy767 : What's so bad about this post? He's got a point, IAH was quickly becoming second fiddle to EWR in the last years with CO. I don't know -- I really do
37 STT757 : I think it's the opposite, Terminal E came after EWR's Global Gateway investment. Also the $1 Billion dollar renovation of Terminal B at IAH was anno
38 Post contains images SANFan : I was refering to the current status of Maui service to/from PDX. I'm saying more people go to Hawaii in the summer because it's "vacation time" and
39 drerx7 : Well, CLL has always had 'heavier' equipment. VCT is the one that is next. BPT is now going to be a BUS route per the local BPT news outlet, this is
40 ScottB : It is a shame if a community is measuring itself based on the availability of air service locally, but frankly a bus service from Beaumont is probabl
41 STT757 : CO went to a bus service between Allentown and EWR years ago, it replaced their multiple daily EM2 flights. Its a bit further than Beaumont-IAH.
42 JBAirwaysFan : They still have DTW service, though any connections to the Southeast US are pretty much gone. ATL has connections to Florida destinations that aren't
43 Schweigend : I'm glad you said that. As United discovers how routing some connecting pax over other hubs is more economical, IAH's O/D percentage should increase,
44 RWA380 : Well SAN is where I'd go if I wanted to go to Hawaii, and didn't have the time or money for the Islands. I am not familiar with the travel patterns o
45 enilria : It's unfair in a lot of ways, although PFC excesses are not paid back under a residual agreement. Nevertheless, they could have committed the funds t
46 joeljack : I wonder if this will go seasonal? It's been mainly a CR7 during slow months and a E175 during busy months. So there is a little demand saying the pl
47 FlyingSicilian : Where does the bus go in Beaumont? The airport or downtown? Will it leave from a gate area or from outside one of the terminals at IAH?
48 enilria : I'd doubt it as slots in LGA do not encourage seasonal ops (they can't have more flights in the Summer vs. the Winter), but it is possible they could
49 DLX737200 : Sorry to see OMA lose it's nonstop to LGA. I worked many of those flights up until my leaving OMA and always enjoyed nonreving on the nonstop flight,
50 drerx7 : It leaves from the airport in Beaumont...now once it gets to IAH...no clue. I would hope at the very least it would go airside.
51 TSS : I'm guessing this will be just an additional ERJ per day, right?
52 smoot4208 : Wonder if this is ending for good, or just a cut during the off season?
53 Post contains links boilerla : The city of Houston ranks #14 in the top O/D markets, which is smaller than all of the other cities that have UA hubs, including DEN. Houston, for a
54 drerx7 : True, that doesn't account for the higher yields that Houston generates. The southeast is a very large and lucrative region as many of the ATL fanboy
55 enilria : At this point it is only a seasonal termination. DEN is only much larger because it is highly stimulated with a three way war driving prices down. Ye
56 HPRamper : As far as pure distance to the east coast goes, LAX-DEN-xxx is shorter than LAX-IAH-xxx when xxx sits roughly around RDU. Anywhere south of that line
57 tommy767 : It's OK at best. It's too out of the way for connections to Europe (although UA does have a decent network for that at IAH), limited for connections
58 Post contains images MaverickM11 : IAH has almost twice as many seats and departures as DFW to Latin America.
59 tommy767 : Mostly on ERJs no?
60 FlyingSicilian : To Mexico, yes, nearly everythinig else is mainline. You don't really fly ERJs IAH-GRG and IAH-CCS and what not... IAH- serves the most Mexican desti
61 Post contains images point2point : Doing some calculations using FAA info and the airports websites, an important measure to look at is Passenger Revenue Miles from an airport. I tried
62 enilria : In terms of international revenue, IAH is #8 in the USA. I can't post DB1B legally, so this is MIDT data for FY2011. Revenue is O&D outbound only
63 Post contains images drerx7 : Thanks enilria, point2point, and FlyingSicilian for the in depth analysis that hopefully will put to bed these measly accusations that IAH is not a ve
64 enilria : You are welcome. My original point was that UA is adding (a little) in DEN to get a $22million/yr rent break and cutting (a little) in IAH to show di
65 Post contains images point2point : Yw Okay, I'd just like to point out though that I don't think that $22M now in UA's pocket is something shareholders are going to be scoffing at.....
66 Post contains images enilria : It depends on how much DEN-NRT loses. DEN was offering $5 million for years and got no takers. UA clearly thought it was a loser. It probably will co
67 Post contains images point2point : LOL..... the words of wisdom from one of my favorite friends and top-notched skeptics in the world-wide web of airlines.... You think it would really
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