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British Airways 'Flagship' Aircraft  
User currently offlineCambridgeFlyer1 From UK - England, joined Jun 2012, 39 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20650 times:

Hi guys,

I have just seen the new BA advert of a 777 going down various streets to promote London and of course BA.

It got me thinking though, since Concorde the 747 has been the flagship aircraft of BA's fleet, but with the 747's getting past their best and not receiving the new Y and Y+ class, has the 777 taken over as the new flagship aircraft, especially as it features in a few of the new adverts? Until the introduction of the 787's and A380 at least.

Thanks!

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User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20558 times:

Well I guess the 777 would be really. It is the most modern longhaul aircraft currently in the BA fleet and the 777-300/re-vamped 777/200 offer the newest seats/product/IFE etc.

Though nowhere near as graceful as the jumbo in my book  


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20536 times:
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For now it could be the 77W but BA loves their 744's and so do the passengers. In 2014 it will be the A380, can't wait to see how BA splits the First and Club cabins over the 2 floors.

User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2010 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20407 times:

Now the 747, the year after next the A380. "Modern" doesn't do much for the customer. The biggest aircraft is the most prestigious one and therefore the flag carrier..


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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20410 times:

The 747 is far more iconically BA, but I think it's gained a dated image recently... So it makes sense that BA is using the more advanced aircraft in their marketing for now.

But the 747 will long be the quintessential BA flagship.


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20363 times:

What about the A318 minibus carrying the 'prestigious' BA001 flight code - size isnt everything  

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10360 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20360 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 3):

Now the 747, the year after next the A380.

Exactly what I would say.


User currently offlineCambridgeFlyer1 From UK - England, joined Jun 2012, 39 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20283 times:

Quoting bastew (Reply 1):

I would agree, the 747 is far more graceful and attractive! Its just strange, put the 777 in the adverts but put the One World large title on the 747's.

At the end of the day, the 747 is still a fantastic iconic plane!  


User currently onlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3073 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20217 times:

I'm sorry but the concept is not recognised in the modern industry. Outwith these forums, I have never even heard it mentioned. It's more of an American thing.

User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6728 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20149 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 3):
The biggest aircraft is the most prestigious one and therefore the flag carrier..

Guess the Concorde was never the flagship since it was among the smallest in term of pax capacity.
Those special a/c used at the City airport could also be used as flagship, its not always about being the largest, fastest or even newest tech, being unique is also a qualifier.


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2368 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 19996 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 8):
I'm sorry but the concept is not recognised in the modern industry. Outwith these forums, I have never even heard it mentioned.

I agree. This topic comes up every so often, and the discussion always degrades to someone's subjective opinion of what the definition of flagship. Is it the biggest, newest, etc. No one outside of the industry, and most likely no one outside of A.net uses the term and the general public couldn't care less about it.
Some previous topics with opinions on the topic of flagship:
Delta:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...rchid=4713211&s=flagship#ID4713211
BA:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/1235691/
AA:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...rchid=4713154&s=flagship#ID4713154
UA:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...earchid=371440&s=flagship#ID371440
General topic:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/2816690/
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...rchid=3536935&s=flagship#ID3536935
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...rchid=1523756&s=flagship#ID1523756



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User currently offlineCambridgeFlyer1 From UK - England, joined Jun 2012, 39 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 19732 times:

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 10):

Don't the general public care? Wunala Dreaming was such an iconic flagship for Qantas, and look how many people were sad to see her go, not just av geeks either. But I understand what you are saying, I was just intrigued to know BA's strategy.  


User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19323 times:

If I may say so I don't think we bother calling anything our 'flagship' at BA since Concorde left. There is no comparison.


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User currently offlineCaptainDoony From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2011, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 19084 times:

I would say the flagship (in BA's case at least) is the one that appears on the entrance page to their website.

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/global/public/en_

It used to be a 747 but has now been replaced with a 772.



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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3038 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 19011 times:

This kinda says it all really...

http://www.britishairways.com/cms/global/assets/images/local/uk/Carousel_Brands1400x475_june2012.jpg



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User currently onlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3073 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 18743 times:

Does that have the raked B77W / B77L wingtips?

User currently onlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 18513 times:

Quoting CaptainDoony (Reply 13):

That's a 767 btw


User currently offlineeljonno From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 18347 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 15):
Does that have the raked B77W / B77L wingtips?

I'm pretty sure it does. You can enlarge the size of the photo in the post by motorhussy and to me it definitely looks like it is a 777W to me...but don't quote me!!


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8090 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 18143 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 8):
It's more of an American thing.

Even we don't do it much anymore. I'd agree with those who have said it's an obsolete phrase. Coach is coach is coach whether you're on an A319 a 777 or an A380.

Honestly, how is bigger more prestigious? You're in the same crappy coach seat surrounded by even more people?! Sounds like it sucks to me.



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User currently offlineCambridgeFlyer1 From UK - England, joined Jun 2012, 39 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 18098 times:

Quoting eljonno (Reply 17):

Its a 77L as it has the raked wingtips, although BA don't operate them, only has 4 emergency exits not the 5 each side of the 77W.


User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1784 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17510 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 16):
That's a 767 btw

It's really not. Definitely at a 777.


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17464 times:

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 20):
Quoting rotating14 (Reply 16):
That's a 767 btw

It's really not. Definitely at a 777.

It's 777-200 G-VIIL, probably more likely featured as she's been refitted with New First, WTP and WT, product wise one of the flagships though the ad would have looked better with a Jumbo!


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17073 times:

The problem with the 747, is that many of BA's long haul competitors at LHR have starting withdrawing them already, and are heavily promoting their A380s (SQ, QF, MH etc) so the use of a 747 would suggest BA have older, less advanced planes.The 777 doesn't have that problem, it's a large twin jet that looks like every other large twin jet.


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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3767 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16937 times:

The 747 doesn't fit on Westminster bridge because of engines 1 and 4 (it would have touched the lamp posts), while the 777's engines are far enough in to clear all obstacles. Also the 747 is too heavy for the bridge on the main landing gear. These are the main reason why they used the 777, the 747 is still the flag ship.

Soren   



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User currently offlinespeedbird9 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 16776 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 23):

The 747 doesn't fit on Westminster bridge because of engines 1 and 4 (it would have touched the lamp posts), while the 777's engines are far enough in to clear all obstacles. Also the 747 is too heavy for the bridge on the main landing gear. These are the main reason why they used the 777, the 747 is still the flag ship.

Soren   

THAT's what you don't find plausible!!!!

and I prefer the 772 as the flagship a/c



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25 skipness1E : Looks like they have used G-VIIL, and well done for using a real aircraft ! However the CGI shots have used a B77L model in the computer I suspect, he
26 Post contains images rotating14 : Indeed, I tried to delete the comment but.... spoke too soon.
27 Post contains images warden145 : Agreed completely...of course this is all subjective, but IMHO nothing says "flagship" like the 747, except the Concorde (and, in the pre-SST/747 day
28 skipness1E : Looking at skytrax, nothing says ancient like a B747. It's much better looking than an A380 but is becoming very uncompetitve on many routes against
29 Post contains links and images b52murph : BA & AF have the distinction of having a true "flagship" in Concorde. And...just because it's retired doesn't mean that something replaced it as t
30 bristolflyer : Well their website has been revamped and the pic of the 747 removed, now a 777 on there.
31 Post contains images warden145 : With all due respect, sir, the quote you used from my post was incomplete...I specifically made an exception for the Concorde in my statement. Object
32 Bongodog1964 : As has been said many times before the vast majority of passengers have no idea what they are flying on, many who categorically state the type of pla
33 mikey72 : As where most of us can glance up to an aircraft 6 miles high and say ' oh there goes the 7X7 to XXX....strange...it's a 200 today and not a 300 ' No
34 Burkhard : It is a very bad photoshop. The wing is a 77L/77W, the body a 772, and has anybody ever seen that bridge empty? Could be used for the nice game "Find
35 goosebayguy : For me its still the Concorde which remain on BA's books though loaned to museum's. I shall aways remember arriving at JFK one evening to be greeted b
36 Post contains images Bongodog1964 : Desperately sad people who are posting on A net instead opf working !!!!!
37 babybus : At the moment BA are short of prestigious aircraft. What they have now are all workhorses. They were wrong not to have the A380 for this year. And it
38 grimey : That is one of the best Concorde pictures that I have ever seen. How old is the youngest BA B747 out there? With SQ having their last ever B747 fligh
39 Post contains links and images VV701 : So there is a possible alternative to Concorde: View Large View MediumPhoto © Steve Fitzgerald that is still parked undercover on a farm in North Wa
40 CambridgeFlyer1 : G-BYGG is the youngest 747 in BA's fleet, delivered in 1999.
41 mikey72 : I'm sure they have taken heed of your admonitory advice for any future aircraft orders. I'm not sure where you're coming from though with 50+ 744's i
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