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Australian Aviation Thread # 62  
User currently offlineQF175 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 828 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 29748 times:

Welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 62. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* New start-up Airline searching for J31/32 flight crew for Brisbane, Melbourne & Sydney basings
* Fog diversions at Brisbane Airport
* Qantas Sky Interior 737-800s
* Charter Airline JetGo receives its AOC
* VH-OJB departs the Qantas fleet for good
* Virgin Australia releases images of its new A330 cabins, including flat beds in Business Class
* Qantas A380 and 747-400 reconfigurations
* Emirates considering Adelaide
* QantasLink introduces F100 on Brisbane-Emerald services
* Air New Zealand announces it is upgrading AKL-PER services to 772 equipment from September
* Virgin Australia announces extra Australia-Queenstown services for the Winter 2012 season
* Qantas and Virgin Australia launch a domestic Business Class sale
* Air Austral confirms it is suspending Sydney and Noumea services from October 2012
* Virgin Australia announces it will commence services from Brisbane to Mount Isa in AUG
* Sunshine Coast Airport expansion
* Qantas closing Tullamarine (Melbourne) heavy maintenance facility
* Qantas and Jetstar A330s
* Virgin Australia increases flights to Gladstone and QantasLink bases a second 717 in Brisbane
* Qantas and Johannesburg
* Jetstar crewing
* Heavylift 737-400F heads to Melbourne
* Etihad takes a stake in Virgin Australia
* Qantas splits operations in to a Domestic and International Airline with separate CEOs
* Qantas shares fall dramatically amid rumours of a takeover and profit decline
* China Southern reportedly to add Cairns to network from November 2012
* Scoot commences services to Sydney and the Gold Coast, discussion about L/Fs
* JQ reportedly commencing nonstop services from Cairns to Singapore later in 2012

Australian Aviation Thread # 61

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User currently offlineQF175 From Australia, joined Mar 2007, 828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 29837 times:

* Qantas has quietly dropped its once-weekly 737-800 service from Sydney to Newman. It has been reported that the reason for the flights being pulled is due to extremely poor forward bookings
* QantasLink will commence 1x weekly 717-200 services from Brisbane to Cairns (nonstop) from July 2012. These services will allow QantasLink to rotate 717-200 aircraft through both ports
* Virgin Australia's newest A330-200 VH-XFE touched down in Melbourne tonight, after operating a NONSTOP service from Toulouse, France. Flight time was reportedly 20.5 hours! With the addition of VH-XFE, the number of A330s in the Virgin Australia fleet now stands at 5

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 29787 times:

^^ Odd that QF have dropped Newman with so much talk of expanding east coast - WA mining town connections. Add to that the talk of how lucrative the market is meant to be.

User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 29606 times:

Hawaiian to BNE .Great news

EFF 27 Nov.

User currently offlinevhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1587 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 29562 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 3):

I didn't see this coming. I hope it lasts.

HA443 246 HNL 1020 BNE 1600+1 763
HA444 357 BNE 1835 HNL 0805 763

Press Release

"There you go ladies and gentleman we're through Mach 1 the speed of sound no bumps no bangs... CONCORDE"
User currently offlineMikey86 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 29473 times:

Love it! Great news HA! At least its a better airline than VC running the route, plus better connections, hopefully!

However flights aren't loaded into the GDS as of yet. However from what I can see it doesnt tye up witn the NYC flight which would have been good if they planned it this way.

mikey86 - Greenslopes, Queensland
User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 5196 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 29459 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 3):
Hawaiian to BNE .Great news

Koruman will be happy....
and will say I told you so lol  in 3, 2, 1...

[Edited 2012-06-19 16:45:03]

56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3379 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 29323 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 5):
However flights aren't loaded into the GDS as of yet. However from what I can see it doesnt tye up witn the NYC flight which would have been good if they planned it this way.
Quoting vhqpa (Reply 4):
HA443 246 HNL 1020 BNE 1600+1 763
HA444 357 BNE 1835 HNL 0805 763

connections UA to Australia:

not so good. only Las Vegas seems to be a same day connection. Most others need overnight stay:

PPG 05:30
LAS 05:50
PPT 06:15
OGG 06:42
KOA 06:55
LIH 07:04
ITO 07:09
KOA 07:45
ITO 08:02
OGG 08:12
LIH 08:18
OGG 09:13
CTS 09:15

from Australia to USA:

HA444 357 BNE 1835 HNL 0805 >>

some lengthy connections:

16:20 JFK
15:25 LAS
14:00 LAX
15:30 OAK
15:35 PDX
15:15 PHX
17:05 PPG
16:40 PPT
13:15 SAN
15:00 SEA
13:45 SFO
15:15 SJC
13:55 SMF

User currently offlineMikey86 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 29088 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):

connections UA to Australia:

not so good. only Las Vegas seems to be a same day connection. Most others need overnight stay:

PPG 05:30
LAS 05:50
PPT 06:15
OGG 06:42
KOA 06:55
LIH 07:04
ITO 07:09
KOA 07:45
ITO 08:02
OGG 08:12
LIH 08:18
OGG 09:13
CTS 09:15

from Australia to USA:

HA444 357 BNE 1835 HNL 0805 >>

some lengthy connections:

16:20 JFK
15:25 LAS
14:00 LAX
15:30 OAK
15:35 PDX
15:15 PHX
17:05 PPG
16:40 PPT
13:15 SAN
15:00 SEA
13:45 SFO
15:15 SJC
13:55 SMF

Looks like HA are marketing more so to inter-island connections within Hawaii. According to a press release I saw on the emails. I am not sure they would be able to get lots of traffic through. If they timed it better they could have quicker connections to other destinations in Hawaii as well as mainland USA.

People would have to spend at least 1 night in HNL on the return to Australia. Maybe HA are getting a concession from the Hawaiian Government for timing it this way to pump some money into the tourism industry. Does anyone think this is the case?

mikey86 - Greenslopes, Queensland
User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3379 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 28971 times:

I may have my timings wrong, but wouldn't it have made sense to push the departure back 6-7 hours to allow some connections with US afternoon arrivals?

from USA to HNL

JFK HA 51 15:30
LAS HA 7 13:10
LAX HA 3 14:10
OAK HA 47 12:50
PDX HA 25 14:05
PHX HA 35 11:35
SAN HA 15 13:00
SEA HA 21 13:30
SFO HA 11 12:00
SJC HA 43 13:40
SMF HA 19 12:15

depart HNL 17:30, arrive BNE 23:00+1

depart BNE 00:20, arrive HNL 14:05

departure from HNL to USA

16:20 JFK
15:25 LAS
14:00 LAX
15:30 OAK
15:35 PDX
15:15 PHX
13:15 SAN
15:00 SEA
13:45 SFO
15:15 SJC
13:55 SMF

i have left the missed connections in there, as the schedule could move to the left by 2 hours or so.

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 28845 times:

HA have really taken to this expansion game  

Good news for BNE. Will be interesting to see if there are any flow on effects for the SYD services.

Will there be a VA codeshare, given that bothy carriers signed a partnership agreement not too long ago?

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 28806 times:

I'm just relieved that BNE-HNL returns.

I too would have preferred later timings.

It opens up avenues too for nice VA points and status earning. Since abandoning Air NZ I have been splitting my loyalty between QF (JQ Business for HNL) and VA, and have not been able to replicate the previous pattern of bringing my family over in comfort to a stopover point on my way back from US trips.

HNL in Business Class prices out at around $3500 return on VA-issued tickets, and onward DL First Class tickets to the East Coast average around $2200 return.

I like the idea of departing BNE on a Friday at 1835, spending 48 hours at leisure on Oahu (Friday am to Sunday am), then flying onward to my mainland destination.

On the way back, I need to be in HNL by Saturday morning to catch the return flight which returns to BNE on Sunday afternoon. In other words, if I add on one week of annual leave - which I often do anyway, and spend it in San Diego or Newport Beach - a work trip to anywhere in the USA will now be able to include a short outbound and long inbound stopover in Hawaii.

Lastly, it keeps Tahiti as an accessible destination for me, except from HNL rather than Auckland. That's actually quite a relief.

So I'm pretty happy with this.

User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 28503 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
Lastly, it keeps Tahiti as an accessible destination for me, except from HNL rather than Auckland. That's actually quite a relief.

K'man - you must be pretty desperate to punish Air NZ if you'd rather fly HA BNE-HNL-PPT (7415 miles), rather than transit AKL (3972 miles). Seems a bit obsessive from my viewpoint on the sideline . . .

This is not my beautiful house . . . This is not my beautiful wife
User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 28264 times:

Hey guys, I have a question. VH-OEB went on some pretty weird charter flights lately. She went as QF6034. Was someone chartering her? Did she take a south america tour? Going from Fiji to Cuba is a flight I've never heard of.


Thanks! Sorry if it was asked in the earlier thread.

The only thing you should change about a woman is her last name.
User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3339 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 28241 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 13):

It's a Captains Choice Tours Charter. They charter QF planes pretty regularly.

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 28119 times:

David, you misunderstand me.

I used to do PPT as an online stopover between Australia and USA/UK, but very few NZ tickets now permit this.

I'm actually about to use HA's HNL-PPT for the first time, as I happened to be in HNL anyway.

I'm not desperate to punish NZ, I'm just past taking detours or paying a premium to fly with them. They have made me more pragmatic and realistic.

User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 27067 times:

JetGo commenced FIFO out of BNE to Osborne mine as well as Townsville.It also operates to Barcaldine from BNE.37 seat ERJ-135 is used.

CNS are getting 3 Transaero charters in Ocober from FUK.777-200 to be used.

BNE has a record 120 QF and Qantaslink departures today according to the BAC movement board.

User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 26746 times:

I was down on the gold coast yesterday when I noticed one of the Alliance Air birds was doing low laps over Tweed Heads/Coolangatta on Sunday 01/07. Anyone know what the deal was?

User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 26441 times:

Very exciting times for PER... QR's inaugural service touches down in less than 24 hours! Anyone heading out to the airport to snap a few pictures?

User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 26292 times:

Well done Perth in getting Qatar.

ZKOKQ Hi, the Alliance flights are training only ex BNE.Usually 2-3 times a month .Less traffic at OOL to do all the practice approaches.

Qantaslink to announce a new livery today at BNE as well as opening a new state of the art lounge.

Skytrans innaugral TWB-SYD-TWB yesterday with Dash 8-300 VH-QQM flying the route.One of our members flew on it.

JetGo planning BNE-Cloncurry soon.

User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 25968 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 19):
ZKOKQ Hi, the Alliance flights are training only ex BNE.Usually 2-3 times a month .Less traffic at OOL to do all the practice approaches.

Cheers eaglefarm.

User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 25960 times:


Some news:

QantasLink opens new boarding gates/lounge in BNE:


And some positive news for Qantas International:

*During Dec/Jan peak season SYD-SCL-SYD will increase from 3 to 4 times weekly.

*SYD-MNL-SYD will also see service increases during the Dec/Jan period, up to 6x weekly some weeks.

Hopefully now with QF international having its own dedicated CEO and management more permanent service increases will be looked at.

User currently offlineMikey86 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 25938 times:

Any idea why QF012 was diverted to Brisbane this morning? I heard a sound similar to an A320 but was a little different, sounded like a larger plane, then i saw the 388. I believe the a/c operating was VH-OQK

mikey86 - Greenslopes, Queensland
User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3576 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 25578 times:

Looks like the last QF 747-438ER has gone to Avalon for conversion. VH-OEF is now at Avalon.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 21):
During Dec/Jan peak season SYD-SCL-SYD will increase from 3 to 4 times weekly

The idea was to grow this to daily service alongside LAN and with QF saying they're getting much more traction using SCL over EZE, this service increase bodes well.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 21):
SYD-MNL-SYD will also see service increases during the Dec/Jan period, up to 6x weekly some weeks

Good to see seasonal adjustments come back into the International network. I wonder if they'll pick up Korea again for the Summer like they used to?

User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 25538 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 22):
Any idea why QF012 was diverted to Brisbane this morning?

It diverted to BNE due QF12 had a double ground turn back in LAX causing a 4.5 hour delay. The crew would have run out of hours if continued to SYD.

All the pax disembarked in BNE and put onto QF8 (QF8 BNE/SYD pax were put onto the QF20.

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25 thegeek :
26 cwalt2 : Qatar Airways is planning an alliance with Qantas Airways, according to ceo Akbar Al Baker. Interesting! wonder if this puts to rest talks of a possib
27 tayser : would be nice if QF basically just kept flying to LHR and FRA only and QR took on everything else in Europe once they start SYD/BNE/ADL/PER etc - they
28 qf002 : I wonder what impact the industrial action had on these results? I also wonder if QFLink figures are included, given they play a big role on routes l
29 Post contains links QantasA333 : Emirates will begin flights into ADL beginning on the 1st of November 2012 with 4x weekly B777-300ER service. This service looks like it will be direc
30 Post contains images Mikey86 : Thanks for that. What a mess though, transfering of pax, but fair enough. Whats your source ? Any idea what caused the turn arounds in LAX?
31 EK413 : With QF eventually taking on B787s SYD-DOH sounds very promising... Don't quote me but I believe a faulty steering indicator... Also anyone intereste
32 Ben175 : Also, EK will upgrade PER to 19 x weekly from December, and then 3 x daily from March 2013. Exciting times ahead!
33 CXfirst : From the other thread: Adelaide EK440 DXB ADL 0155 2045 EK441 ADL DXB 2245 0545+1 4 weekly and later daily with B77W. Perth EK422 DXB PER 2145 1225+1
34 Ben175 : Brad Geatches said that PER will have an A380 gate within 12 months specifically so EK can use the superjumbo on the route. Hopefully they can still
35 eaglefarm4 : Yes well done ADL SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD has now gone daily with the Thursday arrival into BNE this am. BNE had a record 672 movements on Tuesday(Webtrak) So
36 Sydscott : Agreed. QR is smaller and has more to gain from an alliance with QF than EK does. Together they could do a better job of combating EK in the market a
37 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : As with regard to source, I'd rather keep it to myself
38 EK413 : Likewise..... EK413
39 Post contains images Mikey86 : Damn ! All good, I can understand that!
40 travelhound : I hear Virgin Australia has ordered the 737MAX This will dispel the A320 rumours.
41 timpdx : Yes, It's on Reuters now that Virgin has indeed ordered 23 737 MAX frames for $2.2 Billion USD. And they are still expecting 2013-2016 deliveries of t
42 qf002 : I believe that QF needs to focus their strength on one strategy rather than trying to spread things about (they seem to be moving in this direction w
43 eta unknown : I've heard the current schedule remains with a few adhoc Sat flights to cater to demand for a Pacific Islands festival being held in HIR.
44 ZuluAlpha : With the announcement by QR 's CEO about the possible agreement with QF, And internal memo was circulated through QF to say that QF does not comment o
45 Sydscott : I disagree with that. I think the cancellations at BKK and HKG make sense, but the key problem for QF is access to Continental Europe via non-LHR mea
46 NZ107 : What are the FRA loads like? And would QF consider opening a route to either BER or somewhere else with a large AB hub? With QR not operating to SYD,
47 Sydscott : The problem with that is that it's 3 stops to get anywhere beyond Berlin. Whereas on QR it's 1 stop. I see QR destinations of Rome, Venice, Milan, So
48 airnewzealand : Around 10months of the year loads are 85-100%. Business is usually 100% all year round. It may sound strange but many Passengers connect in Y/C to Ir
49 qf002 : The number one issue for QF is profitability, not network coverage. I agree that they need to get themselves in a more competitive position if they w
50 Sydscott : Again, I disagree. The reason they have the lack of profitability is because of the poor network coverage. One leads to the other. QF can't drive pre
51 TN486 : It is amazing what the media can make of "figurers" or "statistics" Yes, Virgin did pip Qantas, however the figurers did not include Qantas Link, nor
52 eaglefarm4 : That is not their fault if the Qantas Group split their carriers up.Nevertheless Virgin passed Qantas Airways for the first time. 5 more prop deliveri
53 Post contains links thegeek : This link: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...antas/story-e6frg90f-1226418203408 Shows that QF+JQ carry about 30 million while DJ carry about 15.
54 eaglefarm4 : Air Niugini have announced their new schedules from 15 July. Their new 737-700 will operate twice weekly to both BNE and SYD. SYD will no longer get a
55 6thfreedom : I suspect this was a very clever PR angle from virgin. while the figures may or may not be true depending on how you look at it, the story has made h
56 Post contains links pugsley : Looks like the operational split of QF into domestic and international is starting to show some positive sign for customers. QF to install new piviot
57 JQflightie : there is currently a CX A340-300 sitting on the ground at PHE due to fog in PER, its a very odd sight...
58 vhebb : Maybe while they refit the overhead bins on the B73Hs they add the new IFE and seats to the entire fleet. Talk of the B763 refit has been around for 3
59 Post contains images EK413 : I like the installation of new piviot bins on the B737 fleet... I don't like the idea of giving the B767 fleet a make over... This is a clear indicat
60 JQflightie : Why should the 767 leave? Its a great aircraft, and alot of the older ones that QF had are now sitting in the desert somewhere, if these aircfrat wer
61 EK413 : It's my opinion and doesn't mean the QF Domestic CEO needs to agree with my views... EK413
62 thegeek : I agree. The 787 will not match it on fuel burn per seat-km nor on ownership costs, until the maintenance costs escalate. Perhaps A330s would do even
63 TruemanQLD : Well for management purposes it isn't a bad thing. QFLink still operated during the QF shut down etc while Virgin's regional routes operate all under
64 Post contains links vhebb : Some Qantas Group News: Qantas will deploy iPads to its pilots: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...ation/story-e6frg95x-1226424815246 Jetstar Deci
65 ZuluAlpha : I think there will be a limited number of the 767's retrofitted (including overhead bins and new lighting). I have been told that during a roadshow t
66 vhebb : Apparently from October QantasLink will base another Q400 in MEL with at least one HBA rotation planned, also expect to see some Q400 services on the
67 tayser : how many would be based here now given DPO, MQL and the odd ADL frequency at present? 1? 2?
68 Post contains images JQflightie : This is true, the 767 will be gone by 2016, as its a maintence cost, but whilst its here, its fine. It does its job. I could go on to say more, but i
69 Post contains links vhebb : Qantas/QantasLink increases and changes to Tasmania services: http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/qanta...creases-capacity-tasmania/5/129094 QantasLink inc
70 Ditzyboy : I wonder how the change to DH4 equipment for the morning flight ex-HBA (and evening return) will be received by corporate and business customers. As
71 Post contains links Sydscott : I thought this was interesting, a new DRW-SIN-KIX service with the SIN-KIX part operated by a JQ A330. http://www.travelweekly.com.au/trave.../jetstar
72 Flyingsottsman : I would have thought maybe they should base a couple of 717s in Melbourne and use them for the HBT service they would have to be better than a prop f
73 Flyingsottsman : It fantastic news for Brisbane, and now they have anounced AKL, Does anyone here think that maybe MEL might see HA start a service to here? I think i
74 Post contains images Flyingsottsman : What, they are going to anounce another destnation being dropped or given over to JQ
75 VH-BZF : Correct almost. My mail is that the B767 fleet will be retired by mid 2015, B737-400 fleet by mid 2014 at the latest. The GE B763 fleet to have a mak
76 ZuluAlpha : Or maybe QF returning to a port that they have previously dropped and JQ have had free reign
77 Post contains images TruemanQLD : OOL
78 sydscott : Hopefully they're spending some money to do another extension to the PER domestic terminal. The place is like a zoo!
79 6thfreedom : Sounds a little like the MEL-SIN-PEK service. same flight number, different aircraft and long layover.. JQ 7 MEL 12:00 PEK 00:50 +1 15:50 v fastest c
80 BAeRJ100 : It's been mentioned many times, but WAC (Perth Airport owner) is currently halfway through building a new domestic terminal next to Terminal 1 (inter
81 sydscott : I know all of that. WAC's total mis-management of PER aside, QF needs more Qantas Club space and more terminals space right now. The addition of a co
82 IndianicWorld : SQ will be adding a 2nd daily A380 to MEL from 16th August, 2012, operating SQ217/218. This will give MEL 2 X A380 and a 773 flight daily. Very sudden
83 Ben175 : Just out of curiosity, if PER gets its act together, could we potentially see SQ upgauge SQ223/226 to a 380?
84 eaglefarm4 : BNE is to get former 733 VH-CZA through tonight on return to AKL.Now registered YR-BAC. DPS-BNE-AKL today. BEN Hi SQ will go 4 daily from 30october.No
85 sydscott : It seems SQ is keen to hit back at EK's A380 expansion plans and maybe even get in first. Good news for MEL! I'd doubt that. I would say the frequenc
86 yellowtail : Curious as to how has QF's move from SYD-EZE to SYD-SCL gone?
87 Post contains links qf002 : QF has unveiled a new marketing campaign, which will premiere on TV this coming Sunday. Full story and links to the ad on YouTube are available here o
88 Post contains links SCL767 : QF will increase frequency on the route to 4x weekly during December and January. Also, LAN is experiencing very strong demand on the SCL-AKL-SYD rou
89 zkokq : Was just down at BNE. KC10 has come in for a quick stop. Parked at the end of The international terminal. Was sensational to see it taxing.
90 QF15 : Great news for both LAN and QF (also oneworld too) on the South American front.. With LAN wanting to expand it's presence in the region wouldn't it m
91 SCL767 : LAN decreased frequency on the SCL-AKL-SYD route to 6x weekly so that QF could increase its LF on the new SYD-SCL route. However, LAN's LFs on the SC
92 RAGAZZO777 : Wouldn't it be great if LP operated LIM-AKL-MEL with those A340s ? That way Aussie and Kiwi passengers would have yet another option to reach South A
93 IndianicWorld : Could provide an option for AKL to be a scissor hub, with MEL and SYD flights going via AKL to LIM and SCL. This will give pax further options, along
94 SCL767 : LAN offers connections to certain destinations within Australia via AKL on QF: QF741 AKL-ADL QF774 ADL-AKL QF124 AKL-BNE QF123 BNE-AKL QF924 AKL-CNS
95 Post contains links EK413 : QF has gone from this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11nvoPnV_sM&feature=relmfu To this... http://www.youtube.com/user/Qantas?v=k-9MIvUOcxE Ok
96 JQflightie : QF dont operate these routes.
97 tayser : yeah, they're not in the international flight range (under 400) - they're SYD-ADL and SYD-CNS flights
98 NZ107 : Interesting to see if someone would choose to go SCL-AKL-SYD-HKG over the other codeshare LA and CX have between AKL and HKG!
99 ZK-NBT : I wonder in the period QF go 4 weekly weather LAN could add 3 additional AKL-SYD flights making SYD double daily with QF 4 weekly and LAN 10 weekly v
100 IndianicWorld : ^^ I would think that adding a 2nd destination would be a better option. Trying to funnel traffic through one city is all well and good, but opening n
101 DavidByrne : That might be fine if the main traffic was to and from SCL, but there would be many fewer possible connections at SCL with that schedule. Personally,
102 zkokq : I agree. either MEL or BNE. You cant do what Qantas is doing and force all your traffic via SYD. SYD != whole of Australia
103 TruemanQLD : God this has been discussed to death but QF isn't forcing anyone. Don't like it? Don't fly QF then. QF also has plenty of routes from MEL/BNE/PER....
104 thegeek : From LAN's flights, the only Oneworld one stop connections into Australia are SYD, MEL, BNE and OOL (on JQ IIRC). If you are disloyal to your allianc
105 VH-BZF : A mate of mine down in Melbourne, said that on the news there tonight, Air India have finally requested proposals for ground handling and that they pl
106 thegeek : Well said.
107 EK413 : I'll believe it when I see it and when AI sign a check for the 3 Boeing 787 Dreamliners awaiting delivery! EK413
108 Post contains images allrite : Watched the preview on Friday (forget to click submit!) and saw it tonight. I preferred Lisa Gerrard's music (from Gladiator) to Daniel John's effort
109 JQflightie : its not about telling a story, we dont need to fill our planes, they are constantly full! and over the years we have shown what our product is, so th
110 Marara : Sounds and looks like a lame attempt at damage control after the grounding last year where they neither flew people nor planes. Its now been long eno
111 mariner : I didn't think that at all. I think it's a pretty good ad. I loved the shot of the blokes with the lost load. It happens. mariner
112 EK413 : I understand QF left it's loyal passengers stranded and probably should've approached the situation from another angle but do we really need to brag
113 Marara : Certainly do. The whole reason for this advertisement is the grounding. Would be stupid not to discuss it. When you leave your clients in the lurch l
114 mariner : I think that's true. The grounding brought to an end the savage union actions at Qantas. I think Mr. Joyce was thinking of the passengers - the union
115 Post contains images EK413 : Just hope the airline spins around and returns to profitability... QF International that is... EK413
116 Post contains images VH-BZF : Well Said!
117 AusA380 : I am not sure I agree. Was flying with QF prior to the grounding - like most frequent traveller (although a little less frequent at the time), you get
118 mariner : The grounding was always going to have a negative effect, but the alternative was worse. Has everyone forgotten the "slow bake" that the unions promi
119 JQflightie : Without the grounding, do you think QF would be releasing this new advertising? Simple answer, No, it probably wouldnt be here! AJ had the thoughts o
120 Ben175 : I flew Virgin SYD-PER for the first time last night, their product is absolutely AMAZING (I got lucky and had VH-XFD with the new lie-flat beds). Ext
121 mariner : I just flew Virgin Australia PER-MEL - and it was fine, but it was just standard airline service - good, but not a whole more than that. I then flew
122 ZuluAlpha : I'm seeking some help here, how is it becoming more and more American?
123 AusA380 : Hi Mariner, interested in what you mean by more an more American.
124 Post contains links mariner : It irritates me that they now use that coy American euphemism "rest rooms" - I dunno about you, but I don't go in there to "rest." It irritates me th
125 Ben175 : Our CSM addressed all the women as "darling", but I don't think I have ever been addressed as "mate" on a plane before anyways.
126 mariner : Once, I was in Africa for two months, in a war zone on the Kenya/Uganda border writing about two of the world's most primitive tribes. It was fairly
127 DJMEL : mariner - thanks for your long term custom - obvouisly you have not been into Virgin Australia Melbourne Lounge for sometime - the pool table was rem
128 mariner : That would be about when I was last in there. I've been at SYD since then. I thought I would be in there a couple of weeks ago when I was flying MEL-
129 ZK-NBT : I think a second flight may initially be seasonal which could pick up mainly SCL traffic. They did have a flight similarly timed to what I suggested
130 SCL767 : Besides SCL traffic, Brazilian. Peruvian and Argentine customers are increasingly traveling on LAN's SCL-AKL-SYD service. Especially to connect onwar
131 EK413 : Qantas was in damage control as soon as they gave JB the boot... Big mistake and now they are paying the price... I've said it many times before and
132 ZK-NBT : Any idea on a potential schedule for additional flights? Interestingly CX have reduced AKL to daily from 10 weekly for the current Northern Summer wh
133 SCL767 : LAN hasn't mentioned anything except that it plans to increase flights into both AKL and SYD after the SCL-MAD-FRA route operates with the B-787s; wh
134 mal787 : Interesting thought , But what would JB have done with the unions, and all the other issues QF have on the International front etc? Mal787
135 koruman : In my opinion, the two outstanding CEO's in global aviation are John Borghetti at Virgin Australia and Mark Dunkerley at Hawaiian Airlines. And they
136 mariner : Bingo! Borghetti came to an airline that needed to expand and a workforce that wanted a direction, and he gave it to them. Joyce came to an airline w
137 qf002 : We should judge executives based on their performance in the difficult times rather than the good times. JB is yet to demonstrate that he can do a go
138 mal787 : Exactly Exactly JB with money and drive to change a nothing(my view) airline into a revitalised / re invented airline nothing like the former AJ tryi
139 smi0006 : Didn't see it posted on here; AC will be increasing their SYD service to 10weekly over the southern summer from the 16th of December through until the
140 Sydscott : The Red Leather Business seats are in all of the new Boeing Sky Interior 737's delivered from November last year. So there should be a few of them fl
141 qf002 : If the supposed 767 refurbishments go ahead, then I imagine they will be the next to get the new seats. The JQ A330's will also be refurbished and fi
142 eaglefarm4 : 11 diversions to BNE today due to SYD fog.
143 Sydscott : Personally I think it'll be far more interesting to see what Jetstar looks like in 3 to 4 years time than QF International. With 788's along with 24
144 thegeek : In spite of others comments, I think this is about right. When did you first say it? Perhaps not provoked them so much! Geoff Dixon did his share of
145 Sydscott : Both Geoff Dixon, and James Strong for that matter, kicked the can down the road when it came to making tough decisions on the Unions. Sure there was
146 thegeek : Say what? - LHR, BKK and/or AKL bases were established in their time - "B" pay scale under another name was established (union members voted in favou
147 Post contains images StickShaker : Very little was said by Govt and the media while all of the above was going on yet the grounding was seen as such an outrage. This personifies all th
148 mariner : I thought the unions were highly antagonistic, classic bully boy stuff. And, like all bullies, they yelped and cried foul when Joyce hit back so hard
149 Sydscott : Yes and we now know that; - LHR ops are halved because of the termendous competitive pressure that Australia's liberal environment has given to the l
150 mariner : I said the statements is "controversial." I agree with your assessment iof what happened, except that I think there was an added - and essential - el
151 Sydscott : I won't disagree with you. I think if people are going for the lowest common denominator then it comes up. But I think that even if it did play a par
152 Post contains images mariner : There we agree. Indeed. mariner
153 thegeek : Or maybe they were halved because of mediocre management on the part of QF. Are you really missing the point? BKK as a base was the point, not a dest
154 Post contains links Sydscott : Maybe that's also why LH, Austrian, BA, KLM etc etc have also stopped or significantly reduced flying into Australia? No I'm saying it's a silly poin
155 Post contains links qf002 : As uninteresting as it seems, QF General Counsel Brett Johnson has resigned, and is being replaced by Andrew Finch in November... The interesting part
156 thegeek : Be that as it may, it hadn't been achieved up to that point (unless they back pedalled), and it was achieved with non Oz-union labour under local con
157 Sydscott : You mean the older and more Senior crew members shafting future crew members by agreeing that while they kept their higher base pays future crews got
158 thegeek : Better than bringing on more crew at unsustainable wages. Wow, you really hate Dixon!
159 gemuser : No he is not! While I was not personally involved, someone very close was and I lived a lot of, though not all. I believe that Dixon did NOT know wha
160 Sydscott : I don't hate Geoff Dixon, I'm just saying that compared to Alan Joyce, Joyce has had to make some extremely tough calls which were the result of the
161 RyanairGuru : This of course has a notable parallel to BA, where Bob Ayling and Rod Eddington were even better at making sure that the washing stayed on the line.
162 Post contains links smi0006 : I am not sure where the topic went, it may have resurfaced however GDS is showing MH will be sending the A380 to Melbourne. Please find the details be
163 Ditzyboy : Regarding the interior refresh of the QF 767 fleet, it appears that it will be more of a 'soft refresh' (curtains, lighting, seat fabrics etc). Overh
164 vhebb : Maybe QF will finally roll out the red style seat covers onto all the A330, B767, and B737s...
165 smi0006 : Has anyone seen any pics yet? Is there a timeline for the project? I do recall vaguely a presentation which had a small unclear image. I think the se
166 Post contains images JQflightie : Ive seen the pictures, but cannot comment! you wil all have to wait! looks great tho
167 qf002 : A shame, but hardly surprising. For the money to be well spent, QF really needed to be fitting new interiors 3-4 years ago. It's shame, since the 763
168 vhebb : I've heard October will see some positive announcements at QF... Any idea if the enhancements will be domestic fleet wide or just B763?
169 zkokq : Anyone know if as the 734's are retired and 738's come online, are the pilots and crew being taken from the 734 to the 738?
170 thegeek : My understanding was that 734 pilots were certified to fly the 738 as well. Short haul cabin crew can fly both too. So, presumably they would go over
171 Boof : Been a while since I posted but this caught my eye. I'm told, and one of the staff who post on here may like to confirm this, that the Pilot and F/A
172 VH-BZF : A mate of mine at QF tells me that all the B734's will have been retired by mid 2014 at the latest. Short haul crew are endorsed on B73H/B734, B763's
173 smi0006 : Indeed I have herd the same thing. With all aircraft equipped with PTVs and a new improved business seat. I hear there is some network changes coming
174 qf002 : That seems to be extremely optimistic to me. I can see all of the Group's A332's being with domestic by mid-2015, but QF will only have a handful of
175 Post contains links qf002 : Interesting news on the industrial dispute front -- Fair Work Australia ruled largely in favour of Qantas in the dispute with the TWA late last week.
176 Post contains images IndianicWorld : I have a very strong feeling that QF will return to OOL for some reason There really aren't that many significant routes that QF have jumped off that
177 aerokiwi : Wasn't there an annual report from the QF Group that actually said this in the back pages a few years back? I'll have a nosey around.
178 Post contains links qf002 : There was the Strategy Day presentation from last December (this one) which was discussed at length last year -- this might be what you're thinking o
179 Post contains images IndianicWorld : ^^ Ummm.. 787s *cough* Just had to bring that to your attention
180 QF175 : Qantas CEO Alan Joyce will be at Gold Coast/Coolangatta Airport this afternoon to announce a return of Qantas mainline services to the port. The resum
181 NZ107 : Took them a while!!
182 Post contains images QF175 : Indeed In other news, Etihad Airways is expected to announce/confirm over the coming days it will be increasing Brisbane - Abu Dhabi services from th
183 Truemanqld : Im assuming it will be something like twice daily SYD flights? Early morning and late evening? Hoping they throw in MEL as well, but will wait and se
184 Post contains links Quokkas : On eof QF's A330s had a problem with one of its engines on approach to PER last night. http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...55/qantas-jet-lands-on-o
185 Post contains links eaglefarm4 : BNE 2011-12 Financial year pax totals are out. 21,017,060 + 4.6 % http://bne.com.au/media-centre/passenger-statistics
186 Post contains images 747m8te : Increasing only to single daily, and will most likely stay with its midday departure I assume. yes the 787s will also be in the QF fleet, so it will
187 Post contains images EK413 : Did someone say A389... EK413
188 Post contains images JQflightie : SYD-OOL QF860 0710-0735 738 QF862 1145-1210 738 QF864 1635-1700 738 OOL-SYD QF861 0815-1035 738 QF863 1250-1510 738 QF865 1740-2000 738 now we get to
189 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Yeah, I wouldn't expect much of a change in timing either. Ummm.. who knows. But if things keep going the way they are, they wouldn't fill a 787 in a
190 Truemanqld : Wow, 3 times daily is a lot more than I expected! A midday departure wouldnt have made much sense as it doesn't allow business passengers to be in SY
191 JQflightie : i think you will see a number of routes come back in, as i was reading a employee memo, instead of just the sentence 'being best for business and lei
192 Brad330 : So much for that saying. QF are slowly leaving CNS-SYD and handing it over to JQ.
193 koruman : There is remarkably little discussion here of how foolish and dogmatic the original Qantas decision to exit OOL was. Yes, there are lots of cheap leis
194 qf002 : "Allocation TBD - based on return measures". I know I'm being cynical here, but they are hardly publicly committing to anything. That would be very n
195 Post contains links QF175 : Australian Aviation Thread # 63
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