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Hawaiian Announces Honolulu To Brisbane  
User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1367 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14159 times:

Hawaiian Airlines announced it's newest destination today, Brisbane, Australia!
This will be the second city in Australia served by HA.
The service will operate 3 times weekly on 767-300 Aircraft and will leave HNL at 10:20am and arrive there the next day at 4:00pm.

More here:

http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com...icle&ID=1706660&highlight=

Aloha,
HALFA

[Edited 2012-06-19 12:26:54]

[Edited 2012-06-19 12:28:19]


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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14142 times:

Holy smokes!! They are on a roll!! Hopefully its not more than they can handle. Cheers to them though      

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13898 times:

Congrats to HA!! Question for those who follow HA more than I do. Are they starting it off with the B767 and seeing how it does before potentially upping it to a A330?

Good to see them expanding. It will never happen, but would love to see them come to DTW.



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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13866 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 2):

From the article:

Quote:
Hawaiian Airlines flight HA 443, will depart Honolulu at 10:20 a.m. every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, cross the international dateline and land in Brisbane at 4:00 p.m. the following day, in time for onward connections to destinations throughout Australia. Journey time is approximately nine hours.

The return service, flight HA 444, will depart Brisbane at 6:35 p.m. every Wednesday, Friday and Sunday, cross the international dateline and arrive in Honolulu at 8:05 a.m. the same day, providing not only an early arrival into Honolulu, but the ability for passengers to connect with onward Hawaiian Airlines flights to Maui, Kaua'i and Hawai'i Island.

Hawaiian's Brisbane flights will be operated with Boeing 767-300ER aircraft, seating 262 passengers in a two-class cabin – 18 in Business Class and 244 in Economy Class.


User currently offlineKLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13753 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 2):
Are they starting it off with the B767 and seeing how it does before potentially upping it to a A330?

I'm pretty sure they would start off with the 767 to see how the service would do.

Congrats to HA and great to see them expanding!     


User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13720 times:
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I can think of a certain poster in the Australian and New Zealand forums who should be excited about this. ( Although in his typical 'the glass is half full/the sky is falling' manner he will probably be upset that they have selected BNE over his beloved OOL nearby )


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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1367 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13365 times:

The local news media here in HNL is now picking up the story. Here are a few more links:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/n...airlines-expanding-service-to.html

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/b...eaking/159617575.html?id=159617575

http://www.kitv.com/news/money/Hawai...154/15160274/-/rxm44l/-/index.html

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1984 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13366 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 1):
Hopefully its not more than they can handle.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. Whether it's a 767 or A330, where are these planes coming from?



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1367 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13222 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 7):
That's exactly what I'm thinking. Whether it's a 767 or A330, where are these planes coming from?

Hawaiian has taken delivery of 4 A330's in the past 4 months, with our newest aircraft arriving this week. Next week, SAN transitions to the A330 freeing up one more 767. Our daily OGG-LAX is seasonal service only operating in the summer months. Our 3rd HNL-PPG-HNL weekly flight is also a summer seasonal flight. The increased service between 0GG and SJC is also a summer seasonal upgrade. When the summer ends, the 767's used on these seasonal flights will be used to operate our new 3 times weekly flights to CTS and BNE, along with our NFL charters.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12898 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 8):
The increased service between 0GG and SJC is also a summer seasonal upgrade.

The Bay Area needs at least one HA nonstop to OGG year round.

So what is better for HA? Full blown merger with DL or continued operation under the HA name as a subsidiary?  


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1367 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12767 times:

Quoting CV880 (Reply 9):
The Bay Area needs at least one HA nonstop to OGG year round.

The Bay Area will have one HA nonstop to OGG year round. Once the busy summer season is over, the daily OGG-OAK will go back to 4 days per week, and the 5 times weekly OGG-SJC will go back to 3 days per week, operating on the 3 days per week when OGG-OAK isn't operating. This will be in addition to the daily SFO-HNL A330 service.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3256 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12734 times:

I'm guessing the 767 can fly the route on a tank of gas; or would HA have to stop and refuel in Pago-Pago America Samoa?


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User currently offlineBluebird191 From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12680 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 11):

I'm guessing the 767 can fly the route on a tank of gas; or would HA have to stop and refuel in Pago-Pago America Samoa?

HA had their HNL-SYD service with their 767's which would overfly BNE enroute, and no refuelling stop is needed. Same with QF's 767's they utilise on the same route. Quite easily done - the BNE route saves 45 to 60 minutes of extra fuel they need to carry compared to the SYD route.


User currently onlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12666 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 5):

Was just thinking the same thing!

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 11):

I'm guessing the 767 can fly the route on a tank of gas; or would HA have to stop and refuel in Pago-Pago America Samoa?

It can definitely make it, they flew 767's to SYD for a long time (and QF still do) so BNE will be no problem!

Goods news for BNE and hopefully more successful than Air Australia was at it!


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12604 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 3):

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 2):

From the article:

Quote:
Hawaiian Airlines flight HA 443, will depart Honolulu at 10:20 a.m. every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, cross the international dateline and land in Brisbane at 4:00 p.m. the following day, in time for onward connections to destinations throughout Australia. Journey time is approximately nine hours.

The return service, flight HA 444, will depart Brisbane at 6:35 p.m. every Wednesday, Friday and Sunday, cross the international dateline and arrive in Honolulu at 8:05 a.m. the same day, providing not only an early arrival into Honolulu, but the ability for passengers to connect with onward Hawaiian Airlines flights to Maui, Kaua'i and Hawai'i Island.

Hawaiian's Brisbane flights will be operated with Boeing 767-300ER aircraft, seating 262 passengers in a two-class cabin – 18 in Business Class and 244 in Economy Class.


This also allows for connections to the mainland on other airlines especially code share partners DL, AA, and AS.



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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12583 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 2):
Are they starting it off with the B767 and seeing how it does before potentially upping it to a A330?



I hope so, a route like this should be serve by an faster and larger A332.



Congrats Hawaiian Air, a beautiful route for a beautiful airline.      


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12550 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 14):
This also allows for connections to the mainland on other airlines especially code share partners DL, AA, and AS.

Still requires a 20 hour layover outbound from the mainland USA connecting onwards to BNE. I would think they would want the connection traffic, but maybe they can fill most of the seats O/D. There are way worse places to layover however.



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1367 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12428 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 16):
Still requires a 20 hour layover outbound from the mainland USA connecting onwards to BNE. I would think they would want the connection traffic, but maybe they can fill most of the seats O/D. There are way worse places to layover however.

The majority of our Australian passengers are tourists heading to Hawaii on holiday, with a very small percentage continuing on to the US Mainland, and those that do continue on are usually going to Las Vegas. If any of the Queenslanders want to fly HA from LAS to BNE, they could take flight 17 which leaves LAS at 0155 and arrives in HNL at sunrise and then continue home to BNE at 10:20am without a 20 hour layover. It would just be a few hours.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlinefoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 748 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12270 times:

Wooohooo finally a way for me to get to OOL without having to deal with LAX and SYD   Great luck to HA on the route!

Andrew



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlineRickNRoll From Afghanistan, joined Jan 2012, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12257 times:

Why would a Brisbanite, from a tropical area with many tropical islands nearby, go to Hawii for a holiday? Melbourne and Sydney would intuitively seem more likely sources of tourists to me.

User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11995 times:

Quoting RickNRoll (Reply 19):
Why would a Brisbanite, from a tropical area with many tropical islands nearby, go to Hawii for a holiday? Melbourne and Sydney would intuitively seem more likely sources of tourists to me.

The same reason people from SYD do. In the Winter season the weather is too cold in the BNE area. And HNL has fantastic shopping compared to most of Australia.

I hope this flight does well for HA. I believe their reasoning for long layovers is that they are chasing O&D instead of through traffic.


User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11867 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 13):
Was just thinking the same thing!

So was I!! Now we just have to wait for the inevitable "QF should have been doing this years ago! I hate QF. QF is stupid." thread...

That said, it will be interesting to see QF's response to this. Strategic never really posed much of a threat, but HA is much bigger and much more financially sound. They will probably be able to make tis route work at 3-4 a week, perhaps with more flights in the winter than the summer.

Would QF prefer to stick to their guns in SYD, or perhaps branch out to MEL/BNE to try and combat HA? HNL is very profitable at the moment apparently, so I doubt that this is a route they will be happy to concede too much ground on.

Quoting foxecho (Reply 18):

You could technically have gone via DFW and BNE on QF...

Quoting RickNRoll (Reply 19):

If you're looking for a big holiday away, you don't want to just get in the car and drive up the coast for a couple of hours... There's decent money in Brisbane, and while the Queensland Coast is beautiful (and warm through the winter...), it's like going on holiday to the beach up the road.

HNL is also about more than the beaches. The culture is very different, there's some incredible natural beauty aside from the beaches and there's a lot of history. The colonial roots, WW2 etc. and the shopping. Very different to a beach on the Queensland Coast.

[Edited 2012-06-19 20:47:12]

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11785 times:

Congrats to HA! I was wondering when they were going to pursue an AU expansion. I hope ADL is next!


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User currently onlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11593 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 21):
So was I!! Now we just have to wait for the inevitable "QF should have been doing this years ago! I hate QF. QF is stupid." thread...

           

Quoting qf002 (Reply 21):
That said, it will be interesting to see QF's response to this. Strategic never really posed much of a threat, but HA is much bigger and much more financially sound. They will probably be able to make tis route work at 3-4 a week, perhaps with more flights in the winter than the summer.

Would QF prefer to stick to their guns in SYD, or perhaps branch out to MEL/BNE to try and combat HA? HNL is very profitable at the moment apparently, so I doubt that this is a route they will be happy to concede too much ground on.

Hmm it will be interesting to see. I would think, if they do operate BNE it would be with JQ, and probably same schedule as HA, but they might decide its just going to take away SYD traffic, not much new traffic (which is a risk for HA) and just stick with SYD with QF and JQ


User currently onlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11584 times:
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Quoting RickNRoll (Reply 19):
Why would a Brisbanite, from a tropical area with many tropical islands nearby, go to Hawii for a holiday?

Because nearly everything that swims in Australian waters will try to kill you?  



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25 koruman : I'm very pleased, and I'm already a HA Premier member so I'm comfortable using them. I'm actually writing from Maui, and when HA flew me here on Satur
26 Max Q : It was sad to see Aloha go but there was never room for two Airlines in the Hawaii market, for years they battled with Ha over a market just 'too thin
27 Post contains links tayser : Air Canada for a wee while used to fly HNL-MEL on 763s (before Sept 11th) - BNE will be absolutely no problem. Air Canada MEL-HNL Suspension (by ETA
28 IndianicWorld : Big news for BNE. Pax wise it should do quite well for as long as the AUD stays strong, but yields we will have to wait and see.
29 Ben175 : Hopefully HA begin to interline/codeshare on DJ BNE-PER/ADL/MEL flights to try and scoop some connecting passengers from other Aussie cities. This is
30 koruman : Ben, you will find that as with SYD there will also be VA code on these flights, and VA will offer a comprehensive range of connections.
31 Flyingsottsman : Because even thow its lovely up in Far North Queensland, Hawaii is totaly different the sceanery, culture, the famous Volcanos National Park, and gre
32 Post contains images foxecho : I'm nonrev I'd never make it with weight restrictions on that bird ....my buddy in BNE interviewed one of the HA marketing guys today on the radio ab
33 STT757 : The Honolulu hub was shut after Lorenzo, Ferguson dismantled the hub in 1993. The Wide bodies were redistributed to EWR for Trans-Atlantic growth, th
34 leothedog : We just flew Hawaiian from Sacramento to Honolulu and back on their 767-300s. It's about a 5.5 hour trip one way. I have to say the seats in coach are
35 laca773 : Not to mention HA has kept their 76Ws in wonderful condition compared to QFs. I was just going to ask about GUM. UA really has this market wrapped up
36 chris7217 : Might be a little off the topic but as far as I know HA has no plans yet to join any airline alliance - or do they?
37 threeifbyair : AS doesn't codeshare with HA anymore - that ended several years ago.
38 macsog6 : OMG, another "With whom is AS or HA (please choose one) going to merge?" question. I am hoping the smiley was indicating a joke. Both AS and HA can s
39 Viscount724 : Not all those points were served nonstop from HNL.
40 STT757 : The island hoppers were obviously multiple stops, but everthing else was nonstop.
41 Max Q : You are correct STT, my memory is failing me. Ferguson was the idiot that shut down HNL, came up with 'Cal Lite' and drove the Airline off a cliff ag
42 Post contains images cipango : Emirates, look out!
43 RWA380 : UA has a myriad of connecting opportunities at GUM & HNL, while HA would only be working the same way, mostly O/D to and from Hawaii. I don't see
44 rjm717 : Although Air Australia only lasted a short period, when HA offered their stranded customers a rescue fare they (HA) were full SYD-HNL for over a mont
45 DLNZ : I have it on good authority that an announcement re: AKL will be made in late Jul, early Aug. Exciting times for HA and the New Zealand public, who h
46 Sydscott : From a strategic point of view I actually can't see this having that much of an effect on QF or requiring a response from them. If anything it introd
47 koruman : Sydscott, the HA flight BNE-HNL won't compete with Virgin, but rather will become a VA-coded part of its virtual network, and there may well be more V
48 Sydscott : I realise that. But if you're Virgin and you're looking at a nice, easy entry into the US market for an A330 ranged aircraft with lots of Australian
49 Max Q : Ha's operation is inspiring and actually exciting, a rarity in the US Airline Biz. My concern is, with their success they will inevitably become a tak
50 RWA380 : Well put, and I agree 100%, HA is a great airline to fly, but a true pleasure to watch grow like they have been. I think many like to pull for the un
51 brilondon : Huh. I guess you did not read what I wrote, I said connecting to the mainland not coming from.
52 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Precisely, I think that foreign posters asking why Hawai'i would be attractive to Queenslanders don't realise just how expensive vacationing in Austr
53 eaglefarm4 : CO operated GUM-CNS 4 times a week in 2011 for majority of the year. It has reduced to 2 a week late last year .Now also only a 737-700 not a 800 so p
54 Post contains images kiwiandrew : If I understand you correctly you are expecting the tourists who originate in Australia are never going to return home? It doesn't matter whether you
55 koruman : Bear in mind that the vast majority of GUM-CNS passengers are Japanese tourists aged 20-45 in couples who use GUM as a transit point from their local
56 airbazar : But you have to return at some point and once someone sees a 20 hour layover, they're not going to book that trip. But on the flip side one could arg
57 HALFA : HA's primary goal with regards to long haul flying is to bring tourists to Hawaii. This has been stated over and over again by top management. Having
58 RWA380 : I wouldn't think HA would look a gift horse in the mouth, I am 100% sure HA is going to maximise it's geographic location to it's advantage as much a
59 rjm717 : And it works nicely going north from Australia. I have flown SYD-HNL-SAN and SYD-HNL-OAK recently and arrival on the west coast was a breeze at both
60 Max Q : I hope you are right. Unfortunately, in the past none of that has mattered. Look at Continental.
61 qf002 : I think HA realises that they are better off optimising their SYD/BNE services for the local market than trying to get into the Australia to North Am
62 RWA380 : Me too my friend, this is one of the most dynamic and interesting airline stories, I put HA in my top 3, and want only what is best for keeping HA in
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